At last, a Liberal Democrat has broken the silence. Now why hasn’t Clegg? Where is his leadership on this? I don’t see why we have to wait until 2015, why not now?
Mr Gilbert added: “I am delighted that Stonewall now supports this aim
Well at least one person believes that irrelevant organisation.
2015? My heart sank when I saw that. Come on, can’t we aim a bit higher! Why not 2012?
Funny how this appears in the news the same week Equal Love is launched.
Equal Love I am sure will win however the Coalition could do the right thing now………
How about 2011?
What an idiot. Really. Finland, Luxembourg and Uruguay are all likely to join the club next year (2011) – WHY should we wait for 2015?
What a complete and utter idiot. How about he grows a pair and calls for it in 2011.
I was about to praise him for speaking out, and then I read the “2015″ bit :(
It’s still great that Mr Gilbert is pushing for equal marriage, but why should we have to wait that long?
Some responses to various comments on here:
1. Stephen Gilbert is not a Minister, he doesn’t get to make the rules
2. Nick Clegg does support marriage equality and has said so BEFORE it was even Lib Dem policy. I think that’s called “leadership”
3. He said “by 2015″ not “in”. I agree we need it sooner BUT he’s hedging his bets. Give him a break!
4. I can find no excuse for his continuing respect/belief in Stonewall. That’s just plain crazy.
5. The Coalition isn’t blocking marriage equality (like Brown did). Instead let’s wait for the announcement of the findings of this summers consultation before throwing our toys out of the pram.
Trust me, I’ll be happy to berate the Coalition if it’s findings from the consultation do not lead to it pursuing marriage equality. Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Labour failed to introduce marriage equality after 13 years. The Coalition has only had 7 months.
‘Nick Clegg does support marriage equality and has said so BEFORE it was even Lib Dem policy. I think that’s called “leadership”’
No, leadership is standing by your beliefs, rather than throwing them all away for a shot at power.
Anyway, anyone who didn’t give up all hope at progress in gay rights the second The tories won the election is a foolish Optimist who’s just setting themselves up to get knocked on their asses.
So just what IS Stonewall doing about this? I can find absolutely NOTHING about gay marriage on their website. It seems that Summerskill & co said “ok, yes, yes we’ll support gay marriage” just to take the heat off and make the issue go away a few months ago when they were (quite rightly) being criticised for their stance towards gay marriage.
If they are in any doubt – the recent case at a Cornish B&B where a Civil Partnered gay couple were turned away because they “weren’t married” (although reading between the lines it was clearly because the B&B owners didn’t want gays in their house) should, I would hope, sound loud as a bell to Summerskill that CPs are considered to have second-class status and all the more reason to continue discrimination by the religious.
For me and my partner – it’s the next logical thing for us. I absolutely do NOT want a civil partnership. Marriage is the only thing that will do. I don’t particularly see why we should have to wait half a decade to 2015 for what is a fundamental right?
So come on Stonewall – when are you going to start campaigning on this important issue???
Same-Sex Marriage can be enacted by an Act of Parliament, we cannot see any justification in denying our right to marry in 2011. President Obama has signed the repeal of allowing LGBT people in the Military and is musing on Same -Sex Marriage, perhaps this will come in America before the ‘Mother’ country!
I like Nick Herbert and I think he really is on our side and pushing this, he’s already asked 2 questions BUT the coalition govt continues to give FEEBLE replies…
Stephen Gilbert – To ask the Minister for Women and Equalities if she will assess the likely level of take-up of provision in legislation for civil partnerships for heterosexual couples.
Lynee Featherstone – have not been any assessments on the likely take up by heterosexual couples seeking a civil partnership, were it to be provided for in legislation.
The Civil Partnership Act 2004 was designed to give same-sex relationships parity of treatment with civil marriage. To enter into a civil partnership, two people must be of the same sex.
Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Minister for Women and Equalities if she will assess the likely level of take-up of provision in legislation for same-sex marriage. 
Lynne Featherstone: There have not been any assessments of the likely take up of same-sex marriage, were it to be provided for in legislation
I’ve asked my lib dem mp questions and have received no answer, a friend in Bristol is trying to get his lib dme mp Stephen Williams to reask the petition that a groups of kids asked the previous govt back in march 2010, he hasn’t heard anything yet!
2015 is a very long way ahead. Both the govt and Stonewall have categorically said the next step for us is relgious CPs NOT MARRIAGE EQUALITY – beware are we really on the same agenda as these guys!!!! – relgious CPs could potentially be a minefield in the house of lords – are we really expecting the bisophs etc to allow us to have hymns, crosses and relgious text in CP without a fght – surely civil marriages should be the things we should be asking for in any further private or public discussions with lynne featherstone!!!
Jae Kay, leadership also means taking the bull by the burns and wrestling with it NOW. Saying and doing things are two differen things. What’s Clegg afraid of? Upsetting Cameron? Its absurd for Mr. Gilbert to say it has to be 2015, absolutely risible. We should all put pressure on them to act now because nobody else will. Forget about that inept Summerskill. Wouldn’t it be embarrassing for the Tories if Equal Love wins its case and the ruling hast to be upheld. It will mean that Cameron and Clegg won’t be able to take credit for it and StonewallUK and its inactive leader will be rendered redundant, ineffectual and irrelevant.
not an attack on you, but why should a minority (us) have to wait on a consultation on equal rights?
Equality isn’t a popularity contest nor a democratic referendum
Jae Kay: Instead let’s wait for the announcement of the findings of this summers consultation before throwing our toys out of the pram.
Trust me, I’ll be happy to berate the Coalition if it’s findings from the consultation do not lead to it pursuing marriage equality.
What consultation? Please can you provide a link to the consultation.
To add to this, Nick Clegg was calling for equal marriage long before the General Election – see the “Marriage Without Borders” page on Facebook.
As the only major party to support equal marriage, party body LGBT Lib Dems are meeting with Lib Dem Government whips and ministers in January to discuss moving our policy forward as a Parliamentary Bill.
Nobody’s taking their eye off the ball or trying to brush this under the carpet, and LGBT Lib Dems are keen to move as quickly as possible on this – but legislation *is* a frustratingly slow process. At least unlike the previous 13 years, there is political will to achieve this in Government.
I’m sure that the Equal Love campaign, which launched after the Lib Dem membership overwhelmingly voted for this policy, will put further pressure on the Tories to work with their Coalition partners on this matter.
Jae – Australia has had a coalition govt for much less than 7 months, yet the only greens mp in that coalition has forced the govt to canvass their electorate on marriage equality. The minority greens are queing up to raise a private bill in the senate.
You’d be hard pressed to find any mention of gay marriage in the commons or house of lords or on Stonewall’s website – 7 months with no progress is an embarassment not excuse…
As for the single greens mp in the commons what on earth is she doing!
Greens and Lib dems are the only parties to say they support marriage equality , we need them do something long before 2015 to get the ball rolling – 2015 my arse!! Isn’t that the time when all parties will be promising us marriage equality prior to the next election!
We don’t need more private discussions between gay orgs and lynne featherstone we need media attention and public debate!!!!
Dave Page: “As the only major party to support equal marriage, party body LGBT Lib Dems are meeting with Lib Dem Government whips and ministers in January to discuss moving our policy forward as a Parliamentary Bill.”
Lynne Featherstone seems remarkably reluctant to even use the word ‘marriage’ in the context of LGBT equality. I’d be pleasantly surprised if anything happens early in the new year.
The coalition should have nothing to do with Stonewall.
it seems this is the full debate
“… I hope that the Deputy Leader of the House will be able to mention the steps that the Government are taking to investigate it (ie marriage equlity!!!!) as an option and perhaps to introduce legislation before the end of this Parliament…..”
“….If we do not stand for equality, we do not stand for the basic human principles of decency. It is important that we do all that we can to make those principles a reality in this country. I cannot give my hon. Friend an answer on civil partnerships, other than to say that the matter is being discussed actively by Home Office Ministers, as I think he knows. We hope to come to a conclusion soon.”
WELL he may know but we don’t – is this merely a ref to relgious CP again AND NOT Marriage equality!!!!
libdem=empty promises, besides there won’t be a libdem party by 2015.
nor a greens!
an interesting article from the telegraph – what’s happenning guys – are we going for relgious CPs or the full blown marriage thing – relgious CP with hymns, christian symbols, text i.e a full blown LEGAL relgious blessing of a gay union similar to a relgious marriage -!!! – wouldn’t civil marriage for us be easier!! and if we truly are going to have legal relgious CPs on par with relgious marriages then where’s the argument against marriage coming from – RELIGION was the argument!!!
“2. Nick Clegg does support marriage equality and has said so BEFORE it was even Lib Dem policy. I think that’s called “leadership”
Ahhh, and we all know about Nick Clegg´s ´promises, support, and pledges´ made before he became the Tories poodle don´t we?
If it´s politically expedient, then ditch them…. No problem!
What became of his pledges and support of the students then?
I agree with a comment above, easy to make statements saying ´by 2015´… when under Nick Clegg, there won´t even BE a liberal party by then!
In the religion section of the telegraph!!!
Coalition ministers consider gay marriage plans
New laws giving full marriage rights to homosexual couples could be introduced under reforms being considered by the Coalition, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
Will the Government ever accept that civil marriage equality does not require comment from nor consideration of religious leaders and their beliefs?
2015!?! Why the heck can’t they do this right away? They drew up and passed laws within a week when it was the financial crisis! If the coalition is still together and an election has not been called by then, I will be amazed, and an incredible opportunity will have been lost.
Pavlos, that’s just it. Cameron, will defer to the religious cults first even when there is no compulsion for them to recognise or officiate at same-sex marriages. None of the ten countries allowing us to marry have mandated it, in fact there marriage laws are now gender neutral, nothing more. Even Summerskill understands that simple fact when he said shortly after his reversal on marriage equality that there must be an exclusion for religious cults when it comes to same-sex marriage. But you’re right, they should not be involved in or offering comments when its a civil matter, it has nothing to do with them at all.
Its ironic though, civil marriages currently do not have any religious component nor are any of the cults compelled to officiate, yet Featherstone is wasting valuable time trying to get a religious component for CPs, its insane. In doing that, she’d have to make the same application to straight civil marriages. Arguably, she could say that straight couples have an option to marry in a church, synagogue or mosque anyway. Its a sneaky way to avoid supporting same-sex marriage. In fact I think it would impede any attempts to make it a reality. Absolute folly if you ask me and exercise in utter futility.
its going to happen. HOpefully Pope Ratzinger will be alive to see it.
In a cage for raping and hiding the rape of only God knows how many children
Ah Pink News, the only sight where the Lib Dems are slightly less then pure evil.
We’ll get it if we fight for it. My instincts say Cameron will introduce it as a free vote, and he might vote for it himself because he’s still going for the gay vote. Theresa will probably have to as well.