this is bizarre. the transgender foundation of america says she broke no law; yet she pleaded guilty. and the law says an offence is only committed if they enter ” in a manner calculated to cause a disturbance.” i think there’s something we’re not being told in this story
women’s WC comprisw cubicles and basins, while men’s do have the openness of “the trough”, so any women would have absolute privacy while deshabille.
I have used public loos in France where women have wandered in because theirs is chockka, no-one worries.
So what is it about the UK and US that conflates urination and defecation with sex?
els76uk – sadly, there remains a lot of confusion over such laws. At London Pride two years ago, a trans woman was prevented from using a female toilet, in spite of the fact that she was absolutely entitled to do so under UK law. Police officials then attempted to suggest that trans people had acted violently at the time – this was later shown to be untrue and the officials in question apologised.
I suspect that the main thing we’re not being told is the extent of transphobia among some of those involved in this.
I’m actually shocked that they can arrest you due to using the ‘opposite sex’ restrooms. Seems awfully trivial.
Guess transphobia never dies. Surprised she pleaded guilty though.
I think she Pleaded guilty not of own free will and sound mind… Police can be very intimidating when emotionally distressed.
Score another one for ole’ Dixie!! And just when you thought you’d seen it all. God Bless the South, ya’ll. *rolls eyes*
Since I won’t be going to Texas anytime soon for a winter respite, maybe someone will give this Yankee an electric blanket for Christmas. Failing that, there’s always Fort Lauderdale.
Tyjanae Moore is a trans woman of colour so more than on type of discrimination may have been at work in this case.
From what I have seen published Tyjanae Moore only pleaded guilty because of the way the American legal system works. In many cases in the USA innocent people plead guilty because of plea bargaining.
Do you know of any other ‘western’ country where you can get arrested for using the wrong toilet?
> women’s WC comprisw cubicles and basins, while men’s do have
> the openness of “the trough”, so any women would have absolute
> privacy while deshabille.
Yes, but cubicles are not the whole of the area, and women sometimes have other reasons but being undressed to want to know there are no males present. But, to be quite explicit, the disgusting habit of some cross-dressers of pissing in washbasins in women’s toilets would be reason enough. Add in the notorious inability of most men to aim their urine accurately, soaking the floor and stinking the place out, and you start getting a complete picture of the problem.
> I have used public loos in France where women have wandered in
> because theirs is chockka, no-one worries.
Thats just a few women; most would not feel comfortable doing that at all. Equally, you sometimes find women taking men into the toilets for sex, regardless of the objections of other women.
> So what is it about the UK and US that conflates urination and
> defecation with sex?
Its not that, its safety, privacy, modesty, and cleanliness. And please remember that toilets are not only for adults; it is women’s toilets where small children are usually taken when they need.
But all that is beside the point here, if, as the TG centre is quoted, the city passed an ordinance permitting washroom use according to identity.
> Do you know of any other ‘western’ country where you can get
> arrested for using the wrong toilet?
Define “western”. Seriously, I expect this happens almost everywhere; its just that this was Houston, where that transgender group is based, and campaigning to confirm that the state – which is mainly very reactionary – recognises someone’s own gender identity. Its a mess, and women such as the one reported arrested here, are the collateral damage. But even where it doesn’t actually happen people fear it, at least at first. If it happens its likely a disaster with long-term consequences in many respects.
I have used the men’s toilet because there was a line for the women’s. No one seemed to even notice. I am completely unperturbed by the thought of a transgendered person sharing a washroom with me unless it were a ‘one person’ type… and even then, I might be willing to negotiate a compromise… though peeing in the sink is disgusting and should be considered public indecency! Ick!
I am a transmale and since identifying as a male AND changing my legal gender to male I’ve been going to the men’s restroom. There have been one incident where an employee of a grocery store saw me in the men’s room and challenged me for being in there. Now mind you I have my natural facial hair already growing into a noticable mustche and beard. He loudly stated “You’re not supposed to be in here. This is the men’s restroom.” The other men stopped and looked at me as I said, “I’m in the right restroom. I have no idea what you are talking about.” One other gentleman looked at me, then at the employee and said, “Dude, what’s the drug policy of this company cause I think you need to be tested. Why would this guy want to go and use the women’s restroom?” The employee turned beet red and walked out. I reported him to management where they requested for his presence at the courtesy desk and they requested his apology towards me. I told them that it wasn’t necessary due to a misunderstanding but they felt that he should have been more professional about the incident. He did apologize though and now when I see him at the grocery store I make sure to say hello to him to show that I have no hard feelings.