Ironic, gays voting for an antigay party that hasn’t authored one single equality bill, a party that never championed the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) allowing American servicemen and women to serve openly. Gays voting out of anger against the traditional ally of LGBT people for not giving them instant equality and repeal of DADT is absolutely appalling. They really think they’ll get anything from the republicans? NOT going to happen. They’ve voted against themselves and the rest of their fellow gay voters which has dealt a major setback for gay rights in America. No republican party or goverment is going to legislate for equality in America. Those who voted for them should be ashamed of themselves, but I daresay they voted out of selfish interests and had nothing to do with equality because for some of them who are wealthy, it doesn’t affect them one iota and they don’t care about others, classic republican. Elections have consequences and now they have to live with that on their conscience, assuming they have one. Sad, really sad voting against your own people, as bad as self-loathing.
But then, we have lots of gay Tories here too, and that always mystifies me somewhat. It also seems to be the case that lots of Democrat voters just stayed at home on Tuesday, which is what really gave the GOP the House. I imagine that quite a few of those would be gay. Turkeys and Christmas, etc.
And I wasn’t one of them.
I voted a straight Democratic ticket. It boggles the mind as to WHY people would vote for a party that would like nothing more than to take away the few rights we have and completely reverse any of the progress we have made in this country. Sure, President Obama and the Deomcratic party may not be the dream team we’d all like them to be. But unfortunately in this country it often boils down to voting for the lesser of two evils. It’s shocking how so many gay Americans have lost the vision. Perhaps after two years of pure hell from the Republicans they will re-think ever doing something like that again.
yep – turkeys voting for christmas … gay turkeys … nutty stuffing
I have seen Gay’s with my very own eyes placing how to vote signs for the Queensland, Bible bashing, hillbilly National Party outside their homes. This obnoxious party declared that “Gay’s should be placed in Stocks and whipped”. Routinely authorized the arrest of Gay men living together, and at that time, Police Stripped-searched Gay’s in Brunswick Street, Fortitude valley and made them take out the max on their bank cards. The leader of this fascist party also stated, “there only eight homosexuals in Queensland”.
Those Gay’s support for the National Party hasn’t changed either. They said, “they vote for the party because their parents did”.
Robert, David in Indy, et al, why would any gay person with an ounce of common sense vote for an uber liberal Marxist/Communist party, let alone a fascist Republican one? Why does it always HAVE to be one or the other? Don’t you see? It is the corporate-controlled electoral two-party system itself that is fixed and rotten to the core. And until Americans wake up and realize that all they are voting for each time is for the same sh*t but from a different hole, they will like morons continue to swing from pillar to post every four years as their country crumbles to dust. Simply withdraw from voting for these illiterate half-bakes like Bush Jr and Hussein Obama and seize your country back from the corporations who control them.
I don’t like the selective spin that Pink News is putting on these numbers. Surely the main point that should be highlighted is the fact that those LGBT voters who went to the polls on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly Democratic! The exact figures were 68-31%, once again making gay voters one of the most loyal Democratic voting blocs in America. Yes, that’s right – by more than 2-1, gay people in America rejected the bigotry of a party that otherwise had quite a good night at the polls. And this in a year when liberal turnout was clearly depressed.
LGBT people who care about ending discrimination on the basis of sexuality would never vote for an openly homophobic party like the Republicans in the US. And while I am no fan of the Tories, it is somewhat unfair to compare them to this extremist outfit. In most other western countries, a party like the Republicans would be on the far right fringe of the political system. Think UKIP/BNP instead of Tory.
Most centre-right parties in Europe nowadays at least try to give the impression that they are gay friendly despite the fact that every legislative victory for gay rights has been advanced by liberal and left-wing groupings, usually in the face of strong opposition from the right. The GOP, on the other hand, wear their homophobic credentials with pride and use anti-gay rhetoric to rally their bigoted base, which, in America unfortunately, is quite considerable. In 2004, it was the main strategy used by Bush to secure re-election!
Finally, why should it be considered newsworthy by Pink News that a minority of LGBT people hold very right-wing views? We’ve all met these people – they place no value whatsoever on equality and human rights issues and are openly contemptuous of those of us who actually support and have campaigned for gay rights. This thankfully small minority on the fringe of every LGBT community are usually financially comfortable men who are more interested in avoiding paying their fair share of tax than in basic fairness and self respect, hence they will vote for people who actively hate them. Sad really, but my biggest gripe is with the organised groups that actively proclaim themselves to be “gay conservatives”. Just call yourself conservative and leave the gay bit out of it because you cannot support far-right parties and claim to be interested in gay issues at the same time. It’s a complete contradiction in terms, defies all logic, and just makes you look quite silly really.
@Peter in Brisbane – good comment. It seems the police in Queensland still have a long way to go if their reaction to one of their officers in Brisbane using offensive, homophobic lingo to get a group of rappers on side is anything to go by. Not only do they have no intention of disciplining him for what is a clear case of unprofessional behaviour, they have actually praised “our young officer” for defusing a potentially dangerous situation! So apparently, according to Queensland Police, any amount of bigoted and demeaning language is OK as long as it gets your target audience onside. I wonder would they be so quick to jump to the defence of a police officer who made racist comments in order to get a group of rowdy white supremacists under control? I think not somehow!
I remember meeting a gay Republican for the first time. I couldn’t believe it. First of all, talk about an oxymoron – “gay Republican”. That sounds about as crazy as “dry water” or “cold heat”. Palm trees in the Arctic or wood you can drink. Anyway, I digress. He said he places the financial concerns of this country first and foremost. It takes precident over his rights as a gay American. Well, what good is all of that if you can’t even keep a job? I’ve been fired from 5 jobs simply because I was gay. If you don’t have any rights, how does a good economy benefit you?
The Republican Party wants to completely eliminate our rights. And they are proud to do it. A gay American supporting the Republican party is no different than an African American or a Roman Catholic supporting the Ku Klux Klan. It’s the same thing and just as crazy. And I don’t appreciate other gay people willing to vote away my rights simply because they wish to save a few extra tax dollars. I’m very angry about this and I’ve told people about it.
Well said David. You have every right to feel angry. The Democrats had been pushing to enact a federal law prohibiting discrimination in the workplace on the grounds of sexual orientation and guess what – every single Congressional Republican opposed the idea. This shouldn’t even be controversial in 2010 but the GOP would prefer to see people like you fired for being gay rather than alienate their homophobic supporters in the religious right.
As for those gay Republicans, an oxymoron indeed. It is truly sickening to see people compromise their self worth as human beings in order to, as you say, save a few tax dollars (that’s if you are in the wealthiest bracket by the way. We all know what the GOP thinks of poor and middle income Americans!) This GOProud group is particularly distasteful. Guess who were the main targets of their vitriol during the elections…the firstly openly gay congressman, Barney Frank, and probably the biggest supporter of gay rights in the Senate, Barbara Boxer of California. You couldn’t make this up! Thankfully both were re-elected, easily defeating their homophobic opponents who were cheered on and financially supported by these “gay conservatives”. As far as I am concerned, GOProud and their attempts to provide cover for some of the worst bigots in America (Ann Coulter to name just one!) should be viewed with nothing but contempt by the wider LGBT community.
We may not agree with them but since when has being Gay meant we’re not allowed to be democratic? We fight for the right to be equal yet moan when others equally choose who they wish to vote for. Just because we’re gay doesn’t mean we all have to vote for 1 party and 1 party alone.
I guess it’s all down to what each individual feels is important to them at the time. Isn’t that the beauti of living in the Western world? We can choose for ourselves and not feel pressured or told who to vote for and what to do.
Jock – I don’t see anyone advocating that their right to vote be taken away. However, people are more than justified in pointing out the hypocrisy of groups likes GOProud who claim to have an interest in advancing gay rights yet support a party that is determined to do everything in its power to prevent any degree of equality being extended to LGBT Americans. The US Republican Party has become a mouthpiece for some of the most vile and distasteful anti-gay opinions to be found anywhere in the world. Many of their state platforms actually call for homosexuality to be re-criminalised and yet you have some gay people prepared to overlook such bigotry. They not only cause harm to themselves by doing this but actually damage every gay person’s right to be treated with fairness and equality. They most certainly should be called out on this but again it’s important to keep things in perspective – even in a good year for the GOP generally, the vast majority of gay voters still voted Democratic. That’s the real story here.
Without getting into anyones head I guess there’ll be plenty who feel keeping their jobs and their homes more important. I agree the Republicans are questionable but this is the problem with just two main parties to vote for but if you don’t vote you can’t really whinge. However if your living in a disasterous economy where unemployment is high and people loosing their homes is at record levels I can understand why some may feel the need to put being gay at a lower priorty and trying to survive at the top.
In any case this is just a mid-term. You really cannot read too much into it. Ronald Reagan actually did worst in his first mid-term and Bill Clinton only fair 1% higher than Obama. It is unfortunate that Obama has to deal with the dire US economy. It is also extremely unfortunate that Obama failed to act on the DADT and other gay rights issues but now he has to proof himself and his worth.
I am proud to be in the state with the greatest number of the finest educational institutions and students in the US. With the possible side effect that we also have a little better informed and intelligent population. Probably why we went an even deeper shade of blue in this election. Of course we also have a wonderful Governor who is not only a real supporter of GLBT, but he is never afraid to challenge the status quo on any issue and he gets things done. Yeah Massachusetts!
As for the rest of the country I think this vote is very much a protest vote against the Democrats lack of resolve, not the belief that the Republicans are the answer. However, that is kinda like biting off your nose to spite your face. The right is never going to advance the causes of GLBT nor are they going to support the rest of the nation. They will continue to erode the middle class in the US while they favor the lining of the pockets of the ultra rich. Most of whom are not investing in this country. They will all learn the error of their ways eventually, perhaps, but it is not going to be pretty.
An uphill battle when most of the voters in the US are so mind bogglingly stupid they cannot even look at their own paystubs and think Obama raised their taxes. Nor do they understand why we need taxes and why taxes are not necessarily evil in themselves.
The Chinese President is now hailed as the most influential man in the world. The biggest reason is their own growing middle class. Every country rides on the power of it’s middle class and decades of Republican control has decimated ours.
Maybe will get lucky and New England will secede from the US as the rest of the country falls apart. We would probably stand better alone the ways things are going. After all we have most of the cutting edge tech, and that is the only viable product the US has left to offer the world.
A gay guy finds an extra $20 in his wallet… suddenly, he’s a Republican squabbling about preserving and increasing his new-gotten gains! Sad. Such self hate among so many gay men in the USA. Such ignorance. Don’t talk to me about their right to conservatism– you can be just as conservative and vote Democrat; you don’t have to shoot yourself– and the REST OF US– in the foot. If you insist on voting Republican: best stay home! Fools ! THIS IS ABOUT SURVIVAL, as we are in a cultural war fighting for our very existence… and you people pull this sort of crap !
William, No. 6….I’m a Green. If I had to vote in America in a general election, there’s no way a Green would be elected because most gay people there vote either democrat or republican. I would have no choice but to support the lesser of the two evils by voting for a democrat. Now if the majority of gay voters supported the Green Party, than that would put a different slant on it, but that’s not going to happen, sadly. At least we in the UK have three major parties, America doesn’t. That said, I still cannot understand why any gay American would continuously vote for, support financially, a party that clearly doesn’t believe in equality for LGBT people? Which equality legislation has the republican party introduced or authored of its own volition? Does anyone know? Maybe some of our American friends can tell us. From what a friend of mine told me who lives in America, during the 2008 republican convention there was no representation by the Log Cabin group speaking to those in attendance in regard to equality, but apparently at the democratic convention there was. I’ve been told that Log Cabin people believe they can change their party from within. To me that is delusional, what makes them think that? Who among their party has spoken out for equality? Can anyone tell us?
As for the republicans’ Tory cousins in the UK, the two are totally different. At one time they were identical in their ideology, but at least Prime Minister Cameron acknowledges same-sex marriage in its manifesto and allegedly supports full equality even though he hasn’t yet endorsed same-sex marriage to make that a reality. I doubt if that would ever happen in the republican party which is now poles apart from the Tories, in fact I know it wouldn’t. Republicans kow-tow to religious bigots and other right wing extremists such as those awful, ignorant tea bagger types which can’t be said of the Tories although they do to some extent hob-nob and cosey up to the clerics in the House of Lords a lot more than Labour does.
…shows a sickening lack of solidarity….I’m sure Alan Duncan (bless him!) doesn’t have to deal with bullying in the workplace!
@tattydog – Please re-read the comments. People have already pointed out the growing gulf that now exists between the Tories and the US Republicans on gay rights issues. Your reference to Alan Duncan is therefore completely irrelevant.
That said, let’s not fool ourselves into thinking that the Tories are the new champions of gay rights in the UK. Their recent conversion to the cause of equality had more to do with wishing to appear modern and progressive in the context of an increasingly secular and socially liberal electorate than any genuine belief that their previous homophobic policies were wrong. Also, this new found support probably doesn’t extend very far beyond the Tory front bench and the Cameron supporters in the party. I would say quite a few bigots still reside on the Tory backbenches and in the grassroots of the party. But, still, it would be churlish not to acknowledge the fact that the Tories are at least moving in the right direction on gay rights, as opposed to the entrenched homophobia of the Republicans.
One final point – The Tories are now the only one of the three major parties not to support equal marriage. Also, if the Lib Dems want to retain their own individual appeal in this coalition, I can think of no better way than introducing a gay marriage bill during this Parliament. Labour should support it. And it would force the Tories to “come out” on the most important gay equality issue of our times.
@Tattydog – I have just looked at your comment again and I may have misunderstood the point you were trying to make. If so my apologies!
You have got to watch this Video, and read how the religious loony, Happy Clappers have infiltrated the Queensland National Party.
‘Patrick Lion’s Pineapple Politics Blog a thesundaymail.com.au’.
My own FATHER voted Republican. Along with my sister, my niece, my aunts and uncles. How depressing is that?
I guess what I’m say is, how can we as gay Americans change the mind of this country if we fail to change the minds of our own family members?
The United States is an evil EVIL place. Absolutely horrible.
You contradict yourself at the end of comment (18). You say
“The Tories are now the only one of the three major parties not to support equal marriage.”
Then go on to say:-
“Labour should support it.”
Last time I check it is still one party that gives Equal marriage it’s Full support. Ed Miliband-wagon has only said he supports it but is is not party policy. Dude Dave C has said he will consider it but like Labour it is not party policy therefore no different to Labour.
Lets not forget the unelected Gordon Brown never supported it. He felt Civil Partnerships we fine without the need to equal marriage.
The one thing you are right on though, it is time the Lib Dems showed their worth and started to run this policy through Parliament. Before we start hearing the excuse we can’t because we have the local elections coming…
One thing though, being that Nick Clanger has basically dropped his pants and surrendered to anything the Tories want, don’t bet on it being anytime soon.
Here’s hoping a Labour or a surprise from a Tory backbencher forces the hand of progress on this.
Those on the left who have called the situation of people on the right ‘disgusting’ is a bit sanctimonious and self-absorbed.
It follows a theme where those on the right consider those on the left to be merely wrong whereas those on the left consider those on the right to be ‘evil’.
No, 18, Pink Politico…..I think Ed Miliband will get the Labour Party to endorse marriage equality to compete with the Liberal Democrats. That’s going to put Cameron in a very awkward position. Its up to us to put pressure on Clegg and Miliband to make sure it becomes a reality. If Cameron sits on the fence, he will do so at his own peril if he wants to attract more gay voters. He didn’t exactly win a landslide in the last election. This could be the one issue that could do it for him as far as gay support goes. He needs to make a statement now and support full equality to remain credible in supporting equality. So far he has not done it. “Considering” something doesn’t mean anything, but “support” most certainly does. I don’t know why he finds it so difficult because he can’t use that old worn out red herring in regard to upsetting the C of E and roman cults and their adherents, among others, now that four heavily catholic countries have beaten us to it. There is absolutely NO excuse to oppose it.
@ David in Indy. Your Hillary Clinton is over here in OZ at the moment. She just gave a lecture at the Melbourne University. She was questioned about Gay Marriage, her answer was, “I don’t support it, but I support Civil Unions”. She came across as, OH SO REASONABLE, whilst building up Spy and Military bases here and War ships in the Asia – Pacific region, much to the annoyance of a very powerful China and other countries here. America and Australia are great friends, but we don’t trust your Republican, Religious right, their Church Steeples look more and more like Missile Silos. God’s Army so to speak. Anyway, good luck David in Indy.
Peter, they certainly are making their rounds, aren’t they? Hillary is in Australia, President Obama is in India…
Hillary scares me, and she’s a Democrat. There’s something creepy about her. She’s very hawkish about U.S. foreign policy and that is exactly the reason I didn’t vote for her during the Primaries in 2008. I don’t trust her. Although I’d certainly vote for her over someone like John McCain. Ugh. It’s like I said before, in this country we are forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. And that is a terrible shame. What do we do? Not vote at all?
She’s against Gay Marriage and yet she’s for all of these military bases. If this doesn’t tell you something, I don’t know what does. And now that we will have a Republican House, you all can probably expect a lot more of this sickening mentality. And worse. And I’m sorry about this. I really and truly am. For what’s to come, along with everything we’ve done in the past. It’s not fair to the rest of you and I just don’t know what to do about it. But they certainly aren’t doing it in my name. :-(
David in Indy. You are the great American that we once loved and respected, a bigger man for exposing your countries evil intent. America is running scared and clutching at straws. Hillary is using Australia as a platform to threaten China. “You are not stable enough [China] to have any influence in the Asia Pacific region”. REALY!
Does America stand on the moral high ground and point the corrupt finger at a force that is becoming unstoppable?? Let Hillary threaten this in her own backyard. Yes, pale faced Hillary is very scary, her features remind me of a Cadaver, showing all the sins of Dorian Gray. She even lies about Afganistan, “Be patient Australia, we are making progress there”. Give us a break Hillary, at this present time in history, no one can win in this country. You cannot win a war using troops that must be fed Beer, Chicken and Ice Cream and a John Wayne mentality. There is a frightening, reality of what is to come, I only hope that I’m not alive to see it. With respects and love to America.
I didn’t vote because the Democrats have had the chance to play enough games with our lives and don’t deserve my vote. But no way would I vote Republican. What I didn’t like is the attitude these days that you have to vote and vote Democratic (all the crap at HuffPost.
@Jock – While Labour has not officially come out in favour of marriage equality in the form of a conference motion, I think it is highly significant that their party leader backs it. Every other leadership contender also supported it and so I think this gives a fairly accurate reflection of where Labour stands on the issue. Still, they should make it official party policy.
The Tories are nowhere near this point. David Cameron, who we are led to believe is a social liberal, has given no indication of support and it would be quite wrong to suggest that Labour and the Tories are coming at the issue from the same perspective. Many Tories are no dount still trying to come to terms with civil partnerships and the abolition of Section 28! Furthermore, the presence at cabinet of the likes of IDS and Liam Fox certainly doesn’t bode well for a Tory endorsement of marriage equality. In fact, when he is not cooking up plans to punish people for being unemployed in the worst economic climate since the 30′s (!) IDS and the right-wing think tank he set up are busy attacking same-sex families and our status as parents.
We can only hope that the presence of the Lib Dems will force the hand of the coalition govt if and when the matter comes before this Parliament.
“It follows a theme where those on the right consider those on the left to be merely wrong whereas those on the left consider those on the right to be ‘evil’”
de Villers, clearly then you are not familiar with the work of the religious right. They make up a central part of the Republican Party and tend to employ language slighly stronger than ‘wrong’ when it comes to gay rights issues!
Democrats have done nothing. This is the only “pro-gay” about them, but they also have done nothing for anything else in the economy.
The only gay gains we have received in the USA as of late come from lawsuits, which the DEMOCRATS are challenging. Obama nailed his own coffin.
Face is, Gay Americans, we have no “allies” in either party.