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Trans student first to play NCAA basketball

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  1. Mihangel apYrs 4 Nov 2010, 2:43pm

    I’m sorry, but this isn’t playing the game. We’ve been told, at length, with considerable verbal force, that once one identifies as a certain sex, then one must be treated as such.

    I recognise that the physical transition hasn’t started, but by remaining in a female team while identifying as male rather takes the p*ss and suggests that sexual idenifiaction is a matter of whim and convenience, certainly for some people.

    This isn’t an attack on htis individual: if everyone is happy with the situation then that’s that, but could one of our trans contributors explain this dichotomy to me?

  2. Hodge Podge 4 Nov 2010, 8:50pm

    It’s a good question, and certainly undermines what the trans community has being trying to get across. Being utterly non-sporty, I don’t see the reason why we can’t abolish the gender categories (black people tend to be better at sprinting, that doesn’t mean we segregate by race).

    But then I can’t see the reason you’d want to throw a ball through a hoop in the first place…

  3. 2 Hodge Podge:

    Blacks and whites are almost the same (I mean about body strengh power mass muscles etc..), but women have 75% of muscular mass compared to men. It’s not the same thing here. Of course whites and blacks compete 2gether, women could never match the fisical strengh that men have. Transexuals should be respected, but that doesn’t mean they can do whatever they want. That would be unfair, nothing to do with racism or sexism. If you want to change your sex gender, that’s fine, but you also accept all the consequences. If you want to be a man, than be a man: men don’t play in female teams. Period. If you want to be a woman, ok… but don’t use the gents toilets anymore. that’s it, quite simple. ciao

  4. bollocks. he’s not on hormones so is biologically female at the moment and he’s making use of that to do what he loves. he’s gonna transition when he finishes. what is so hard to understand about this? if they use the same rules as the olympics he’d need to take a 2 year hiatus while he transitioned. he’d rather wait. the singer of the kinks isnt on hormones because they might destroy his voice, this guy isnt on hormones because itll stop him playing.

    what is so hard to understand about this? he’s making the best of a less than perfect situation (being a guy with a woman body)

    transexuals CAN do anything they want within the confines of the law. just like anyone else. this guys done nothing wrong, if your confused or annoyed by this its your problem and certainly not his.

  5. Mihangel apYrs 5 Nov 2010, 8:17am

    So Xaria
    I’m confused why a man is allowed to play in a women’s team. It’s my fault that I don’t understand why someone is a man for everything EXCEPT for one thing.

    I thought the rule was (and the trans community made it) “treat me as in the gender I am expressing”. Otherwise why shouldn’t a non-transitioned M2F demand to play in a women’s league as a female?

    You see Xaria, this is exactly why I certainly am confused when dealing with trans issues: it seems ot boil sown to “accommodate me in any way I want to be accommodated. I can cherry pick the bits I want”

  6. I share your views, Mihangel. Its all quite confusing! he is a man, except when he plays basket ball… Most peole don’t have that kind of choice.
    (and I am not being cheeky)

  7. as a transsexual, this does seem to go against many of the principles we have been striving for. The only thing I can think if in this case, is it has something to do with the scholarship – that in order to stay in school, he has to remain with the team through the season. Would be nice to have more info before jumping to conclusions.

  8. Mihangel its like a non transitioned mtf playing for a mans football team. which they can. remember a transsexual, would have to take a long hiatus from playing, get the ops and then go and find a new team. they dont want to waste their time they could be playing. sportspeople dont have long carreers.

    and he’s a man because he says he is. legally he’s a woman but frankly that doesnt matter because if you wait til a transsexuals legally the right sex before gendering them correctly your just being an a-hole. it takes a long time to get your legal documents changed.

    ‘accomodate me anyway i want to be accomodated’, their not being acomodated, their making the best of a rough deal. being transsexual is not a nice thing and their doing their best to make it as comofrtable as they can. and obviously that includes playing a sport they love with their friends. which they can still do because they arent on hormones or had surgery.

  9. Mihangel apYrs 5 Nov 2010, 3:29pm

    Xaria
    take off the boxing gloves. If it confuses me it will confuse the hell out of the straights.

    Take the situation: M2F not yet transitioned. Which loo should she use as a “legal” male? What happens if she chooses not to complete the physical transition?

    I do know that trans people have it hard (sh*t just reading this site makes that clear!) but this muddies the waters

  10. Xaria:
    > bollocks. he’s not on hormones so is biologically female at the
    > moment and he’s making use of that to do what he loves. he’s
    > gonna transition when he finishes. what is so hard to understand
    > about this?

    It might help if you explained that there are many different forms of “trans”, some of which are different degrees of severity of transsexualism. Then it would be understandable that someone who only recently realised their true identity can cope with continuing to play as a woman to the end of his career in that sport, whereas someone else really is distraught at being wrongly perceived at all, even in primary school. Each individual should be treated individually.

    > … if they use the same rules as the olympics he’d need
    > to take a 2 year hiatus while he transitioned. he’d rather wait.

    The Olympic rule requires that break to follow surgery, when the transition is after puberty.

    “Haitus” isn’t quite the word. He is on a basketball scholarship and in the college sport. When he graduates, and completes his physical transition, he is very unlikely to make it into the rarefied world of the professional men’s teams, even if just on height.

    > the singer of the kinks isnt on hormones because they might
    > destroy his voice, this guy isnt on hormones because itll stop
    > him playing.

    Whereas there are children killing themselves because abusive doctors and psychologists force them to go through the wrong puberty. And many people would rather die than live without hormones, including me.

    > what is so hard to understand about this? he’s making the best
    > of a less than perfect situation (being a guy with a woman body)
    >
    > transexuals CAN do anything they want within the confines of the
    > law. just like anyone else. this guys done nothing wrong, if
    > your confused or annoyed by this its your problem and certainly
    > not his.

    But the way the story is being played does rather invite puzzlement, you must surely admit? Its trumpeted as being about the first transgender player in the sport, and yet its an existing player who has basically revealed an insight about their sense of self and brought their name, dress, and social standing into line. Will he even be wearing a different team kit? Shouldn’t the headline have been kept for the first male-to-female in the women’s sport that goes public?

    Don’t they realise its totally anachronistic when a whole team of gay, kathoey, and women (formerly transsexual) players won the national male volleyball championships in Thailand in 1996, in the full glare of national television coverage, and the story was then made into a hit movie (‘Iron Ladies’), helping, amongst several benefits, to make the point that the law there doesn’t even allow the most womanly (and post-reassignment surgery) of the team members to be treated as women?

    And doesn’t the fact that he’d lose his super-enviable scholarship if he ceased to eligible to play add another layer?

    I mean, was there any possibility this player wouldn’t be allowed to continue to play? And would they allow a male-to-female to join?

  11. IOC rules state that a POST OP trans person must be 2 years post SRS/GRS before they are allowed to play competitive sports in their new gender.

    To play basketball with female physiology and not on testo supplement should not make an odds difference and if he chose to step up to the more physical guys game while still in transition then go for it.

    I am a post op trans female I have played competitive local league basketball for a couple of female teams one of them totally unaware of my past and during the summer just to get court time I have trained with the guys and spent most of my time on the floor on my ass being knocked over!

    This person may be the first trans person to play college basketball but this person will not be the first trans person to play team sports in their new gender by a long shot.

    Good luck and a successful transition to this guy whoever he is

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