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Universities ‘should employ watchdogs against discriminatory extremism’

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  1. “some members of the Islamic society had allegedly described women as “deficient” and had called for those who do not pray to be killed.”

    Were those members investigated by the police. Incitement to murder is a crime?

  2. I find it odd that they don’t just shut the organisation down.

  3. Peter Tatchell was warning about Hizb ut Tahrir making the same kinds of threats 15 years ago: “Hizb ut Tahrir is especially active on college campuses in London and Manchester. Jewish and gay students have suffered harassment and threats.” http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/islamic.htm

    Hizb ut Tahrir has just got more subtle in what it says – but they still want gay people executed. In 2002 Hizb ut Tahrir had a conference which 10,000 muslims attended. Now instead of saying they want us executed they just say “we want to implement full sharia law”, which means the execution of homosexuals.

    How long are we going to put up with nothing being done? This summer we’ve had 2 Gay Pride demos disrupted by muslim fundamentalists, and posters have appeared in Nottingham and London declaring the areas “Gay Free Zones”.

  4. My husband & I have been together 9 years and have never suffered any homophobia, until he went back to Uni as a mature student. Whilst at the London Met, he often overheard homophobic comments by foreign Muslim students. On one occasion in the library, he overheard a group of Muslims saying how there ‘were too many gays’ at college, at which point he turned around and said how there were too many Muslims! It became an open secret that Islamist intolerance was rife but never confronted, both by student unions and by those who run the college. It’s sad as this long term experience over the 4 year degree course has led us to become anti-Muslim when before we had no truck with them.

  5. And, the homophobic organisation, Islamic relief, gives money to PinkNews through their advertising above.

  6. “Gay Free Zones” . . . is a chilling Euphemism

  7. Unfortunately concern about Islamification is dismissed by politicians as ” Islamophobia” expressed by knuckle dragging, jack booted right wingers. Saying this makes it easier for them not to address the issue. They ignore the fact that tolerant, socially liberal people are becoming increasingly aware of a problem.

  8. Peter In Brisbane 30 Oct 2010, 8:18pm

    It’s not only happening at Universities in England, it’s also happening at the school level worldwide.
    An innocent 17 year old student attending the West End State School, here in Brisbane, Australia made the same comment to me. ‘There are too many Gay’s here at School.
    This school is just a few kilometers from the local Mosque, where many overseas Mulla’s lecture.
    Jeez, a baby is not safe in it’s cot from this subversive indoctrination.

  9. Peter In Brisbane 30 Oct 2010, 8:33pm

    I forgot to add. This Student is a recent Muslim Immigrant from Iraq.
    Cannot understand why they flee this oppressive lifestyle only to set it up again in a free country.

  10. Mihangel apYrs 31 Oct 2010, 12:47pm

    Peter in Brisbane: it’s what the Xians did once they got their feet under the table in the Roman Empire, and what the puritans etc did when fleeing religious persecution in England; once they established themselves in power they started persecuting everybody else who was a bit different.

  11. Pink News can you make a statement on the comments that have appeared, it seems the issue will not go away.
    recently with the issue of Islamic Relief ads.
    It wont go away and i would like to know what your position is.
    I myself am unsure if it is right for you to accept fees from advertising from them.
    Can some one please discuss.

    Should all monies from Islamic groups of any kind me refused from LGBT organisations.

    Is Islamic ideaology inherently homophobic?

    Islamic relief is a charity that seem to be trying to do good things in the world, should they be banned for Pink News.

    Can you be a good muslim and be tolerant of other peoples sexuality.

    Thoughts?

  12. Sav, a few answers to your questions………

    Should all monies from Islamic groups of any kind be refused from LGBT organisations. As long as islam is used to justify the imprisonment, torture and execution of LGBT, YES.

    Is islamic ideaology inherently homophobic? The koran is homophobic, and so is the hadith. And everywhere in the world where islam has any power LGBT citizens are illegal, many islamic countries resulting in the death penalty. So YES islam is inherently homophobic.

    Islamic relief is a charity that seem to be trying to do good things in the world, should they be banned for Pink News? Any organisation that believes that LGBT people are wrong should be banned from pinknews. So YES they should be banned.

    Can you be a good muslim and be tolerant of other peoples sexuality? To be a good muslim is to follow the islamic law, which states that homosexuality is wrong. So NO.

  13. people such as Abu Usamah has talked at many universities in the UK and it seems no one seems to be stopping them from spreading their hate for fear of being accused of being ‘islamaphobic’, and so the hate grows and spreads.

  14. david freeman 1 Nov 2010, 7:31pm

    we defend gay rights feel free to have a look at us we are a united lgbt movement

    http://www.homosexualsagainstsharia.com

  15. Leo:
    > Sav, a few answers to your questions………
    >
    > Should all monies from Islamic groups of any kind be refused
    > from LGBT organisations. As long as islam is used to justify the
    > imprisonment, torture and execution of LGBT, YES.
    >
    > Is islamic ideaology inherently homophobic? The koran is
    > homophobic, and so is the hadith. And everywhere in the world
    > where islam has any power LGBT citizens are illegal, many
    > islamic countries resulting in the death penalty. So YES islam
    > is inherently homophobic.
    >
    > Islamic relief is a charity that seem to be trying to do good
    > things in the world, should they be banned for Pink News? Any
    > organisation that believes that LGBT people are wrong should be
    > banned from pinknews. So YES they should be banned.
    >
    > Can you be a good muslim and be tolerant of other peoples
    > sexuality? To be a good muslim is to follow the islamic law,
    > which states that homosexuality is wrong. So NO.

    Wild generalisations playing into the hands of the extremists.

    How stupid to declare that LGBT muslims cannot be good muslims.

    Love the way, as a man, you ignore the mistreatment of women.

    And please do not so thoughtlessly include T. There is nothing in the Koran about transsexuality and so several islamic states have no sanctions against it.

    The problem is a strain of islamic belief that has been sheltered away in the Arabian desert for centuries has now all the wealth of Saudi oil behind it and has been overwhelming other variations by funding mosques, preachers, schools and books. But it is by no means a lost battle, even though some middle-east interests might want it painted that way. Take a look at Al Jazeera some time, talk to some LGBT muslims, visit counties like Lebanon and Turkey.

  16. Mihangel apYrs:
    > Peter in Brisbane: it’s what the Xians did once they got
    > their feet under the table in the Roman Empire, and what the
    > puritans etc did when fleeing religious persecution in England;
    > once they established themselves in power they started
    > persecuting everybody else who was a bit different.

    Not just anyone a bit different; selected people.

    Its a traditional religious technique for uniting followers and driving others into the church though fear. There’s even a word for it: anathematisation. Literally making as if outside the church. And its been illegal in international law, through the Geneva Convention on Genocide, since 1948, because it can lead to mass killings. Religions are not exempt.

    Unfortunately the authors of those laws were also homophobes (the British Conservative Home Secretary who instigated the crack down on homosexuality in the 1950s was one), so sexual minorities were not explicitly included. But the description of the behavior proscribed is quite clear.

    The Secretary General of the UN has an official responsible for watching for such activity and preventing harm. LGBT groups should be lobbying him, and the members of his advisory committee (such as Desmond Tutu) for action.

  17. Wild generalisations playing into the hands of the extremists.

    So gay men being imprissoned, tortured and executed in 90% of islamic societies is a wild generalisation is it? You need to do some research into gay rights in islamic countries before you try and lecture me.

    How stupid to declare that LGBT muslims cannot be good muslims.

    You’ve obviously never read the hadith, or the koran. Both of which have homophobic passages. Allah doesn’t like queers, that’s not my opinion, it’s what the books say (the books being the central pillar holding the belief up). You may not like it, I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is. Of course you can pick and mix the religion, say you believe this bit but not that bit, but that isn’t being a good muslim.

    Love the way, as a man, you ignore the mistreatment of women.

    I don’t ignore them. I’m not a woman, so I don’t speak for them. I’m sure if I did you’d probably say, “And please do not so thoughtlessly include women”.

    And please do not so thoughtlessly include T. There is nothing in the Koran about transsexuality and so several islamic states have no sanctions against it.

    Okay then, I presume you’re writing as a T. So I won’t include LGBT in future, I’ll wipe the T off my list. It will just be LGB in future.

    The problem is a strain of islamic belief that has been sheltered away in the Arabian desert for centuries has now all the wealth of Saudi oil behind it and has been overwhelming other variations by funding mosques, preachers, schools and books. But it is by no means a lost battle, even though some middle-east interests might want it painted that way. Take a look at Al Jazeera some time, talk to some LGBT muslims, visit counties like Lebanon and Turkey.

    Instead of me talking to LGB muslims (should I use the T? – I thought that was banned). Perhaps you should talk to some ex LGB muslims who have seen through the nonsense that has ruined their lives. Then perhaps you should talk to some LGB muslims who have had to leave islamic countries because of fear of, at worse, death.

    The problem isn’t a strain of islamic belief. The problem is a belief in islam, which is intrinsically homophobic. You might not want it to be, but it is. Sorry.

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