Well he took his time, and by the look and sound of things they used the old autocue.
It’s going to get better provided you don’t expect equal rights with your heterosexual countrymen, that you don’t expect to have equal opportunities to get married and, should you so wish, serve in the armed forces, you don’t expect equal treatment by your own government, you know, the one that you are required to pay taxes towards. It’ll get better if enough brave souls bring court cases but don’t expect me or the federal government to actually help because we talk the big talk but in the end you’re just votes to us.
I’m actually very annoyed at this. Obama has let down the gay community in the US utterly, when’s it going to get better Mr Obama. My boyfriend lives in Georgia, we aren’t allowed to get married, he isn’t allowed to sponsor me into the country as his partner, there is nothing to prevent him getting fired simply because of his sexuality, he cannot marry the person that he chooses and even if he could (if he lived in CT,MA,IA,DC,NH or VT) he wouldn’t be entitled to the same level of benefits as his heterosexual brothers. Hell, up until 2003 he was breaking the law when he had sex!
So Mr Obama, before telling people it will get better, maybe you should be doing something to actually make it better. Or else SHUT UP.
Well, I think this is a massive positive to have the most influential man in the world sending a message to gay youth. Nobody in this position has ever recognised gay children and teens before, let alone address them positively. Thank you, Obama.
Lead by example then and show some respect for your armed forces. Stop halting progress.
Show some willing to commit to Better Human Rights.
I guess it’s fair to say if Obama doesn’t then it’ll be a long, long time.
So Darren P, after letting down the gay community on every level he possibly can, frittering away 2 years in which he had massive majorities in both houses of congress and could have actually made some real progress, Obama deserves kudos for a few words that he says? You’re going to let him of the hook because he said something nice without actually doing anything to make the situation better for these teens that you are so grateful to him for recognising? It’s no wonder politicians get away with as much as they do.
Hypocrite. Why hasn’t he done anything then? Why are DOMA and DADT still there? What’s he really saying – “You gay teens are great people as long as you accept being second-class citizens”? To hear this from someone who I had high hopes yet who’s just faffed around and been a total coward is pathetic. Shut up and DO something.
I think its a bit of damage limitation Darren. He was utterly betrayed gay Americans and he probably thinks this is a positive headline grabber. The straight media are unlikely to condemn him for this so its low risk, and he is probably hoping the ‘positive’ message he sends to gay people will result in his catalogue of failures being forgotten.
I found it on youtube but it sounds hollow when his actions do not support his words:
Says banning gay marriage is good
for the federal budget.
Invokes incest and marrying children.
Read the guts of the brief at the link, which Aravosis quotes at length, and breaks down into such arguments as:
• Incest and child rape cases make DOMA constitutional;
• DOMA is good because it saves the feds money;
• DOMA is constitutional (thus screwing us on any future lawsuits);
• DOMA is consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process principles;
• Gays have no constitutional right to marriage, or recognition of their marriages by other states;
• Praises DOMA as “cautiously limited”;
• Obama [comes] out against the Loving v. VA case that ensured that people like his parents could marry;
• Gays don’t deserve same scrutiny in court that other minorities get;
• Argues Republican position on how judges should review cases;
• Provides legal argument against gays’ right to privacy;
• It’s reasonable and rational for Congress to defend “traditional” marriage – in fact, DOMA was actual a very “neutral” law, rather than anti-gay;
• Please don’t confuse the gays with the blacks, and other “real” marriages;
• and much, much, much more, that will make your head spin, and your stomach churn.
The above is from the link but when he is opposing DADT and having religious ties and other stuff like the quote above then he’s a hypocrite, the above is normally from the homophobes and not the supporters, plus how can he claim things get better when his very actions is keeping the homophobia in place?
Empty words which are not backed up by solid action to make things better.
This Obama fool is fighting to keep DADT; fighting against the removal of DOMA; does not support marriage equality and has done nothing to ban homophobic discrimination at work.
He is a liar and a hypocrite and most probably a homophobe.
He won’t miss a good opportunity to get publicity. Where was he when we need him to tell gay teens their future relationships are wothwhile? Nowhere to be seen. In fact, he had the audacity to tell them he doesn’t believe in gay marriage.
He should have said, “It might eventually get better; just not on MY watch”.
The fact of the matter is bullying doesn’t kill nearly as many gay kids as does a sense of an anti-gay community, church, family, friend, school, government, law. Bullying is just the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Unfortunately, Obama, as of now, is part of the problem in America and not part of the solution. Obama talks about being a “fierce advocate” for the community while being the most powerful opponent of civil equality for gays in the country. He talks about his dislike of DADT while vigorously defending it in the courts. Obama is full of pretty words but it’s his ACTIONS and LACK OF ACTIONS on POLICY that ultimately makes gay kids and gay adults feel hopeless, helpless and hated.
Back your It Gets Better video up with some actions Mr. President. Otherwise STFU!
Just shows that this issue will not go away and provides a foundation that the Education department will have to take note in the future and for its past mistakes.
The higher one gets a response from, from the President downwards, including Hilary and Senators and Ambassadors across the world provide a foundation to get this phenomena stamped out and dealt with, in the US once and for all.
Thus allowing pressure on other countries, especially in the free west to comply and follow suit, encluding the Uk and EU.
Its a start – now let’s hope? the Pope does the same
Well Obama, it won’t get better under your administration you publicity seeking, insensitive and hyprocrtical cretin.
You had the perfect opportunity to destroy DADT but instead you appealed against the court’s decision to render it illegal and unconstitutional.
You make me fu*king sick you hypocrital ba*tard!
With DADT its politics. It will be repealed just after the elections. He doesn’t want the Republicans to use it as an issue in the election next month. Even though they are opposing it in court, the secretary of defense stated that only the heads of each branch can approve dismissals (read: there will be no more dismissals). I completely disagree with the concept of playing politics with human rights in this way, but I see why they they are doing it.
I like to remember that this discussion would not even be happening if McCain had won.
Chester #8 – Thank you for that link. Very interesting reading.
Obama Go to hell you hypocrit!!
Thank god America is starting to be self conscient! Yet it was necessary for more LGBT people to die for this massive support to happen.
If this doesn’t get to change America’s laws into respecting LGBT people… this is a full hypocrisy, let me say!
It’s time for a change in the USA! Time for politicians to have guts and time to respect everyone.
Seems to me its come a little too late. This is nothing more than an after thought. Sorry Obama, its too late for damage control.
As far as other equality issues are concerned, I find it ironic that he believes the government should not be involved with marriage but that it should be left to the individual states to decide which we all know is not going to happen in America. I don’t understand that. For one thing, each state governmental agency issues a marriage licence and with that a few hundred state rights and privileges that only come via marriage, religious or civil. At the federal level, there are more than eleven hundred of them. So how can he say the government shouldn’t be involved in marriage when it already is.No American politician running for the highest office in the land is going to stick his or her neck out to make marriage equality part of their campaign agenda because they are scared of the backlash from the religious nutjobs and the varying religious cults that meddle in the political process but pay no taxes. The tax exemption nonsense was put in place to supposedly prevent corruption, buying politicians. Well, they’re doing a very good of that when they threaten politicians who support equality but who back down when the going gets tough. Using the red herring that gay marriage is not a constitutional right is nothing more than that. It doesn’t mention straight marriage either yet straights aren’t banned. Its so digusting and I daresay we have some in our own government who would react the same way.
Phil, you’re right it is politics but there is no way on earth that a congress packed with right wing lunatics from the Tea Party faction of the Republican Party passes any gay rights legislation. Obama knew that, he knew that the Democrats would suffer losses in the mid-terms and so he put off gay rights issues until he knew that there wouldn’t be a possiblity of him being able to do anything about them.
Once the Republicans take control of one or both Houses of Congress, the Democrats will be lucky to get anything whatsoever passed, let alone repeal of DADT or DOMA. I suspect he did this deliberately. He can make the right noises to sound like he supports gay rights but doesn’t actually have to do anything about it and can blame Congress. He knows that he was elected in part because the evangelicals didn’t turn out in large numbers back in 2008 (for example in Ohio, he won because the Republican vote dropped not because the Democrat vote increased), if he passes lots of gay rights legislation then they come right back in 2012 especially if Palin or Huckabee or another religious lunatic is running against him.
The thing I consider to be wrong in this “It gets better” message is that you don’t have to grow up to have a good life being LGBT.
If a country has a good civic educational system it can better even in high school.
This message is like saying “We will do nothing to corrects hate crims, you will have to face it on your own…. but hey, hang on there, once you finish high school it’s over”. It cannot be like this, this is the wrong message! American Government should be working along with schools to give proper education and should be responsibli by “normalizing” same-sex relationships by giving same-sex couples the same rights, otherwise this “hope message” will have as background an unfair, unequal and unrespectful society.
If the society does not change the law system, it has to be the law system to change the society.
In Portugal the majority of the people were against same-sex marriage before it was approved. Now that it is… the majority is in favour. Why? Because it became normalized, LGBT people are not considered as marginals anymore, they have whole a system supporting them even if there are still a few things we would like to be changed.
It DOES NOT get better! http://judiciary.zoomshare.com/files/ShocksConscience.pdf
“I don’t know what it’s like to be picked on for being gay”.
Seeeee, I have established right from the start of this statement… that I’m not gay.
I’m not one of those, but I’m not as good as a White Christian Heterosexual either. Ask the Tea Party.
Seeee, it’s the language.
Notice the usual SILENCE from the ‘Caring’ Catholic Church?
I’m probably in the minority, but I still like the man and I’m not ready to give up on him yet.
Daniel Santos, No. 21, you echo what I’ve been saying on other posts. There is a direct correlation between bullying and the lack of full equality. A lesson Summerskill of StonewallUK and David Cameron et al should take note of now that Summerskill refuses to include same-sex civil marriage equality in his agenda. No amount of anti-bullying legislation in the UK is going to prevent it from happening let alone minimize it even with mandatory requirements for teachers in the schools to help stamp it out. All the time we’re treated differently under a different law, we will forever be marginalised no matter how well intended current “in/equality” laws are not addressed. Its interesting to read that the majority in Portugal opposed same-sex marriage and are now comfortable with it. Supposedly, we in the UK have a population that is in support of it, yet our current government will probably do nothing about that, no thanks to StonewallUK that claims it represents the majority of LGBT people and is in fact working against us by its stubborn refusal to include marriage equality in its agenda. Well said, anyway.
Too little. Too late.
is he going to oppose the homophobic scouts and religions too? that would be more useful then a video where he seems to be reading a script
Three things show that Obama is really out of touch.
1. “I don’t know what it’s like to be picked on for being gay.” Every kid in America is subjected to homophobia. It’s part of the heterosexual training.
2. His only answer for these kids is to go to their parents and teachers. The same parents who are likely to kick them out and the same teachers who re-enforce or ignore the bullying.
3. He’s already made it clear he isn’t going to make it better for gay adults, why should they believe he’s going to make it better for gay kids?
> is he going to oppose the homophobic scouts and religions too?
Freedom of Association, I understand, is guaranteed by the constitution. The principle of freedom to associate with whom one wishes may take precedence over non-discrimination laws.
In any event, whilst I agree that President Obama has been disappointing in his approach to gay rights, it is too strong to call him homophobic. Such an accusation devalues the word. To suggest that there is no real difference between President Obama and, say, Pat Robertson is to reduce the world to black and white. And that reduction is something for which we all blamed President G.W. Bush.
It is also worth remembering that President Obama is not the legislature and does not propose legislation – that is the function of the American Congress. He has less power to force the Democrats in Congress to do his work than the French President has over the the Assemblée Nationale when the President’s party has a majority in it or the British Prime Minister over the Houses of Parliament.
I expect that President Obama’s reticence on gay rights has been political expediency. That does not make him homophobic. It may even be too early to determine whether President Obama has been a failure for gay rights. It took the Labour party years after they won power in 1997 to propose non-discrimination legislation and civil parterships. To paraphrase, “la trahison, n’est qu’une question de date.”
It may be that even if President Obama does not achieve substantive statutory reform in the area of gay rights, the different tone on these issues will alter public attitudes and prepare the ground for a Democrat successor to carry through such legislation. His push for gay rights may have been disappointing but it is too strong to call him homophobic.
de Villiers – I labelled the scouts and homophobic religions as homophobes, Obama is a lying politician who is busy appeasing the loonies and making claims he doesn’t put into practise, an earlier link showed his willingness to support homophobia when needed
> is a lying politician
Is there any other kind?