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Israel’s only gay MP speaks out for marriage on visit to London

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  1. LGBT people have something in common with straight people in Israel.

    Nobody in Israel can enter a civil marriage. It is completely banned there.

    If Israel wants to be judged as a liberal democracy it needs to stop using the lazy excuse of comparing itself to its undemocratic neighbours.

    Israel should start comparing itself to places like Canada, Finland and the UK – countries which do not define themselves in religious terms and which offer proper, accountable civil institutions.

    Israel has a LOT of crazed religious extremists. Those hideous settlers in the Palestinian West Bank (who think they can steal land because ‘god’ allows them) are no better than the mullahs in Iran. But because of Israel’s religious nature, their vile extremism is excused.

    The settler extremists (and there are many of them) want to turn Israel into a jewish Iran.

    Which begs the question. Why is the government in Israel inclusive of jewish religious extremists?

    Religion sucks.

    Nowhere is that more evident than in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uganda and Israel.

  2. Which particular ‘hideous settlers’ are you talking about? What data are you using for your opinions on them? have you met many, interviewed them, read polls, research on them, etc?

    Also, the reason the religious are included in the democratic system of Israel is that they are a part of the society there. As such they deserve representation, just as others do. If gay people deserve representation, then so do the religious. Admittedly this can cause very difficult problems within the legislation of the country especially regarding the liberal agenda, but those such as Horowitz who work to improve this situation, as well as the healthy democratic system in place in Israel, are part of what makes Israel a fully functioning democratic state.

    You may feel that ‘religion sucks’, and it is your right to feel that way. But to seek to exclude the religious from the democratic process and remove their rights and disregard their concerns is certainly undemocratic and discriminatory. Many western values and ethics are based upon the teachings and practices of religions, especially Judaism and Christianity. Not only are they the bedrock of much of what we hold up as important in our society, but they are also a vital part of many people’s lives the world over. Your smugly superior tone when disregarding religion is indicative of a lack of tolerance and a closed minded attitude to those you disagree with or differ from.

    You talk about Israel using a ‘lazy excuse’, but you seem to have filled your comment with lazy excuses fro not engaging with real issues in a constructive way. ‘religion sucks’, ‘crazed religious extremists’, ‘hideous settlers’… All these are lazy and unhelpful phrases which demonstrate a lack of desire to see thins any other way than your own. That’s not how democracy works, nor how peaceful and harmonious societies are built.

  3. “part of what makes Israel a fully functioning democratic state.”

    Except of course if you want to enter a civil marriage.

    That is utterly illegal because of Israel’s religious status.

    I feel extraordinarily suspicious about a country that defines itself in religious terms.

    Iran does, Saudi Arabia does, Israel does.

    And as Israel lurches further to the right human rights and democracy will be massively undermined.

    Religion is opposed to democracy. Their ‘god’ is the one that sets the rules.

  4. The Israeli’s will never allow civil marriages to take place within its borders, just not going to happen. So how can he say the situation there is better than in the UK for gay people, let alone straights? At least we have more politicians supporting marriage equality, he’s probably the only one. I think we’ll get it sooner than Israel will.

  5. Of course religious people should be allowed in government. The problem is that the Israeli government is run by the Orthodox who assert only their beliefs. Thus folks who aren’t even Orthodox aren’t able to get married. This is to the exclusion of many other forms of Judaism that are more liberal, and in fact more popular around the world.

  6. Since 1998, New Family has distinguished itself as the leading family rights advocates in Israel. In over a decade of activist litigation, New Family has set ground-breaking legal precedents in recognition of families’ rights to equality in common-law partnerships, reproductive freedoms, maternity and parenting benefits, adoption, surrogacy, finance, inheritance, survivors benefits, and more, triggering a dramatic transformation of the legal and social reality in Israel. New Family cooperates with Niztan Horowitz on legislative advocacy.

  7. Since 1998, New Family has distinguished itself as the leading family rights advocates in Israel. In over a decade of activist litigation, New Family has set ground-breaking legal precedents in recognition of families’ rights to equality in common-law partnerships, reproductive freedoms, maternity and parenting benefits, adoption, surrogacy, finance, inheritance, survivors benefits, and more, triggering a dramatic transformation of the legal and social reality in Israel.

  8. I just feel in love with this man. Not only a tolerant and wise politician, but also such a cultured and intelligent man. If I were Israeli I would be totally voting for Nitzan.

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