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American rabbis sign declaration of gay acceptance

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  1. Listen up, Rowan Williams!

  2. “The declaration, signed by prominent rabbis and community leaders, says that homosexual sex and same-sex marriage remain prohibited by Judaism’s laws (halakhah) but urges faith leaders and communities to treat gay people with “dignity and respect”.”

    Thanks but no thanks.

    That sounds like the hideous ‘Hate the sinner, love the sin” bulls*** used by the christians.

    “A group of educators decided it was time to give people some guidance on this sensitive matter.”

    But he’s a rabbi?

    What qualifications (other than a belief in a mythical ‘god’) does he have to speak on matters relating to human sexuality?

    The headline of this story says that rabbis had signed a declaration of ‘acceptance’.

    They haven’t.

    They’ve simply toned down their hatespeech slightly.

  3. Oooops – I meant of course to say ‘Love the sinner, hate the sin’.

  4. de Villiers 29 Jul 2010, 2:30pm

    > Thanks but no thanks.

    Alternatively, live and let live for which we should all give thanks. It is enough for people to show grace, manners and kindliness towards those with whom they disagree. The wheels of social acceptance in this way turn slowly but decisively.

  5. An early draft for a papal encyclical?

  6. Ignacio, that smacked of being a comment on racial stereotypes. Did you mean it to be funny? It was not. Actually it was infantile.

    On the real issue, I tend to agree that it is love the sinner etc. Maybe it is a start, but a slow and tiny one. For sure not enough. Worth remembering that this is the orthodox end of the faith. The liberal end is generally entirely accepting and supportive, which is more than can be said for many other religeons.

  7. Thats one less religion helping to fund another Prop 8 in the States

  8. “Alternatively, live and let live for which we should all give thanks. ”

    But these rabbis preach that gay sex and gay marriage are against judaism’s laws. That’s not a ‘live and let live’ attitude.

    It’s the same bigotted ‘Love the sinner, hate the sin’ bulls*** you get from the Vatic**t.

    Secondly these guys are not in a position to be lecturing anyone about human sexuality.

    Human sexuality is an intrinsic part of someone’s personality. These guys are religious. That’s their prerogative. But they are not experts on human sexuality, and their opinions on matters of human sexuality are merely that – opinions.

    So, on the 1 hand they say that gay people deserve respect, but on the other hand preach that being gay is wrong, then quite frankly I would prefer they keep their superstitious opinions to themselves.

  9. Well Reform (the largest group by far) and Reconstructionist Jews in the US have allowed same sex marriages for years, and conservative Jews are almost there. In fact the URJ (Union for Reform Judaism) actively lobbies for equal marriage with politicians. The only folks who I see this applying to are some conservative Jews and the orthodox. I think this is more directed toward fanatical Jewish cults in Israel and reparative therapy clinics. In fact, Jews in general are light years ahead of where Christians are, led mostly by the Reform Judaism movement.

  10. Judaism is light years ahead to Christianity. Even if some of them still don’t agree, they don’t have the incredible hatred that developed among most Christian denominations

  11. American Jews are, generally speaking, have a outstanding track record when it comes to fighting and defending for civil liberties.

    They played a significant role in the black civil rights movement, and now they arre leading the way when it comes to promoting the civil rights of gay and lesbian people. For instance, almost 80% of Jews in California voted against Proposition 8 that took away the right of gay and lesbian people to marry.

  12. de Villiers 29 Jul 2010, 10:15pm

    > But these rabbis preach that gay sex and gay marriage are against judaism’s laws. That’s not a ‘live and let live’ attitude.

    Yes it is. Gay sex and gay marriage are most probably against Judaism’s laws. If the Rabbis are stating that it is against Judaism’s laws but that gay people should be treated with equality in the secular realm and with dignity by other Jews who should treat them no less favourably on account of their breach of the Jewish laws then that is live and let live.

    And we should all welcome that.

  13. One of my favorite Jewish Bible passages:

    1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.

    2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father’s house.

    3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

    4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

  14. ” If the Rabbis are stating that it is against Judaism’s laws but that gay people should be treated with equality in the secular realm and with dignity by other Jews who should treat them no less favourably on account of their breach of the Jewish laws then that is live and let live.”

    Fair enough.

    But judaism’s laws are utter bullsh** obviously.

    Any religion which states that homosexuality is against its laws should not be trusted.

    Any religion which takes a badly written work of fiction and pretend that it is the word of ‘god’ should be distrusted.

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