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One in seven men on London gay scene thought to have HIV

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  1. On one website it says something like ‘one in ten gay men in London have HIV’. I was like WTF!!!

    It is one in seven gay men on the LONDON GAY SCENE! I am gay but I don’t really have anything to do with the ‘gay scene’, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that.

  2. That is a scary statistic, a) it speaks bad on us all b) it makes it seem if your gay your going to get HIV.

  3. Depressing!! When are people going to learn?

  4. “it speaks bad on us all” – what kind of mangled English is this? For goodenss sake go and improve your woeful education!

  5. One in seven gay men in London is HIV. Wow! That’s bad all right.

    And who’s responsible?

    Just the guys who have been having the unprotected sex?


    The guys who are running the clubs and the saunas and who are encouraging sex parties, nude nights, underwear nights, “buff” nights, and so on, with hard-core gay sex videos running on every wall showing anal sex . . . THEY’RE responsible too. They’re feeding and encouraging the appetite.

    But they’re laughing. They’re screwing gay men for their money and laughing all the way to the bank. Probably a good many of them are HIV themselves.


  6. I’m disappointed in Pink News. This is the Daily Mail type of reporting. Bollocks with a grain of truth. Slow news day for sure.

  7. How naive are gay men. Thinking you can tell if someone has the virus just by looking at them. What sought of world are you all living in. There will be no gay men left if this attitude remains. Men get a grip. We must all remain strong and don’t be afraid to Ask your next partner. “Are you Positive”. Then you will know where you stand and then you can play safely or not at all. Be brave gay men.

  8. I always disclose my HIV status, 25 years positive this year, but it is not guys who are diagnosed and generally on treatment that are the issue, it is undiagnosed men not on treatment who have a high viral load and are therefore highly infectious.

    These untested guys are the real risk, I believe the survey was done using Orasure (TM) saliva tests in gay venues in London and there will be a breakdown of the status men thought they were and the status they tested.

    Now a new HIV diagnosis getting appropriate treatment will have less impact on mortality than smoking, although the BHIVA Conference had a paper on HIV and smoking and I would always encourage guys to get support and stop smoking.

    All STI’s are an issue, most +ve men at the big London Clinics are offered a full sexual health screen with the 4 monthly blood tests.

    Anybody who is not in a completely monogamous relationship (which is most gay men in big cities) needs to be own of their sexual health responsibilities and make a judgment about how often they need to be screened for STI’s and HIV, this is easier now a positive result is not the calamity it once was, although symptom and side effect management can become a dominating factor in our lives it is in the long term and the bulk of my time living with HIV was before good treatments were available.

  9. Typo – sorry

    .. needs own their sexual health..

  10. Sister Mary Clarance 22 Jul 2010, 10:53am

    There seems to be quite a lot of lack of understand of the broad spectrum of people there are out there in the world from people posting comments here.

    London is a huge mixing pot of peoples from all around the world, often from places where the risks from and the knowledge of HIV are poles apart from the UK. People are also often coming to have their first gay experience. I’m not familiar with the sex education curriculum in the mountainous areas of Brazil, the Gulf states, the fundamentalist Christian parts of America’s deep south, or China, but I suspect they get very different information to those growing up in large cosmopolitan
    areas of the UK.

    That said, what are young people in this country taught about the dangers on HIV/AIDS in this country as they grow up, and how does it relate a one off encounter with a demi God who plucks you off the dance floor one night in a West End club.

    Most people posting on here have been round the block since before there even was a block and are sufficiently well educated and affluent to be on the right side of the digital divide, but that certainly doesn’t apply to everyone, even when they have grown up here.

    What are we actually telling people about HIV/AIDS these days in any case … its perfectly manageable and you can live a normal life? If so, it begs the question, why should I worry about catching it.

    What is very clear in London is that young people and people from overseas generally have a lot less idea about the dangers that I had when I first dipped my toe into the gay scene a few years ago now. Others seem to have bought the hype that HIV/AIDS isn’t as debilitating condition and its something that can be managed and lived with.

  11. This really is sad news. I have myself experienced people thinking I can’t have HIV because I “just don’t look it”. I also had a “you can’t be your fat” before I lost weight. It was always younger people who said it. Not to exclude all but I think it proves that the facts about HIV and STD needs to be taught in schools, for All, no opt-outs!

    Of course the biggest problem is like smoking and cancer with the attitude “It’ll never happen to me!”.

    You can blame saunas, sex-party promoters etc all you want but it is up to each individual to make sure they protect themselves and all those around them. Sadly it is a selected few who go around knowingly passing on infestions without a care in the world who let everyone down, straight, gay, lesbian or otherwise.

    I’m not sure what it will take to get people to control themselves and be more responible but it’s no good blaming everybody else, the buck stop within oneself!

  12. @ Sister M C

    Actually you make a very valid point. I have always disclosed my status before having sex but the amount of people from abroad who have No idea what you mean when you tell them you are HIV is truely shocking!!

  13. honestly the problem is bareback videos I was horrified the first time I saw one. it goes to show money before anything if you’re gay. and don’t assume you’re know more than johnny foreigner if they and get to London they must have seen a computer at some stage in their lives.

  14. Squidgy – if you (and other poz guyz) insist on wearing a condom, foreign or not it will make all the difference! how stupid can people be!!! top or bottom there is no difference in the feel and enjoyment of sex with a condom!!! actually people should be proud to wear one…or before sex happy that the guy you’re about to have sex with wears one or refuses to have sex without one! as for STI’s – get tested regularly if you have many partners or not in a monogamous relationship! very sad indeed

  15. if only the porn industry fetishised condoms instead of bareback. oh that’s right it’s mainly made by homophobes just like straight porn is made by mysogonists.

  16. @ Daniel

    Again because it is important to say, the highest risk of onward hiv transmission is from guys who are unaware of their positive hiv status. Guys who know they are poz on treatment with suppressed virus are a much lower risk.

  17. Sister Mary Clarance 22 Jul 2010, 10:41pm

    Of course it would also be helpful if those who test positive with HIV were allowed to start treatment immediately in order to bring them down to an undetectable viral load, massively reducing the risk of them infecting other people, rather then engaging in the Russian roulette that currently exists where people are forced to wait until the CD4 counts are critically low and their viral loads are enormous.

  18. Not true SMC look at the BHIVA guidelines on

    Treatment issues are complex but no one in the UK has “russian roulette”

  19. @ Daniel

    I’m not sure what point you are trying to make or indeed who you are calling ‘stupid’?

    Condoms & Safer sex in my life is not up for debate. I wouldn’t have sex unless it was safer but then that wasn’t even close to what my comments are about. I personally feel that if someone whats sex with me then it is my duty to inform the of my status so they can make their own mind up, even though with safer sex. Are you saying that if I practise safer sex there is no need to inform? Of course each individual to their own. This is my chose.

    My comments were highlighting the fact that many people esp young and foreign seem to have No understanding of HIV, what it is and what it means. Do you not think it those people who are prehaps the most dangerous? Maybe you should be better channelling your ‘ how stupid can people be’ comment at them or maybe fighting for proper education for all to stand up and take note. It is those people who seem to think they are untouchable by such things and are prepared to take the risks.

    @ SMC

    I have to disagree with you regarding medication. I didn’t start meds until approx 10 years are being diagnosed and due to an unrelated illness. There was no way I would start Unless I really had too and I am please I kept it that way. Now I am on only 2 pills a day with very few side-effects. I have to question if I had started in the mid 90’s if I could be saying the same. Whose to say what treatments will be along in the next 10 years. You can’t blame people for holding out and waiting for better and hopefully safer meds and of course the day a cure is announced.

  20. Three problems:

    1) Unfortunately, bareback sex IS nicer (IMHO). But stupid. If it wasn’t for this fact, all would always wear condoms. They’re free in most bars and from your clinic. Guys take risks because “I’m a top so I’m unlikely to get infected” etc.

    2) Saying that HIV is a horrible condition that leads to AIDS and death promotes stigma; a stigma that positive guys try to get away from. But saying that it is now manageable and – for many – without noticeable side effects, makes people reckless, taking calculated risks. How do we deal with this? If we tell all that HIV leads to death, then the newly diagnosed will be depressed/stigmatised/suicidal until told “It’s actually not that bad”.

    3) The biggest problem is undiagnosed positive people – they think/hope they’re negative (and are not breaking the law by having unprotected sex); yet can well be positive and will in that case have a sky-high viral load (mine was 300,000 and is now undetectable); more people SHOULD be tested and the opt-out of HIV testing should be removed; if all cases were identified then it would drive down transmission rates due to safer sex practices and/or less infectuous viral load (as per recent research), effectively ending the rapid spread of the virus.

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