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Trans woman spared prison over child abuse images

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  1. An ”appalling experience” for her? Whereas the kids being abused in the photos were having a whale of a time yeah?

  2. I’m more than a little concerned by this.

    We’re looking for equal rights, not preferential rights. Who exactly wouldn’t find prison an “appalling experience”, it is supposed to be a deterrent after all?

    And I’m, sorry, if one has a “troubled childhood and gender issues”, one seen a counsellor or professional, not look at child pornography. If a transsexuals want to be treated equally, then they obey the law equally, which by implication means serving the punishment for breaking it equally.

    This sort of thing sends out the wrong message about what LGBT are looking for with regards to equality.

  3. I don’t understand why she couldn’t be kept safe. Surely ANY person who is – even if ‘only’ indirectly – involved with abuse of children is a potential target in prison? And how’s community work, presumably in public, going to make her any safer?

    She should have gone to an appropriate prison.

  4. This is a concerning sentence for two reasons:

    1) most importantly, this is an appalling crime. She should be punished just as severely as anyone else.
    2) what message does this send out to the right wing media and the crazies? LGBT people get special rights? Child abuse is not considered serious if it’s done by a transgendered person? I know this was “just” viewing the pictures but that’s still “child abuse” once removed as it were.

    Lock her up.

  5. Aren’t all people convicted of some form of paedophilia potential targets in prison? That’s certainly the message I’ve heard…

    I mean, as others have said, if the tabloids get their hands on this story can you imagine the headlines? Two gay people getting asylum because they were genuinely in danger earned a huge amount of fury from the Mail, Express and Star… what will the headlines for this be? “NOW TRANNIES CAN’T BE SENT TO PRISON”?

    (I do apologise if my use of the term “trannies” offends anyone, but I just didn’t imagine the tabloids being particularly sensitive in their presentation of such a story.)

  6. her solicitor told the court she had developed a “disrespect” for her body

    Don’t all T people have a kind of phobia about their bodies?

    1. No, they don’t. There are plenty of books on the subject. Please take the time to read and educate yourself.

      As for this meaning she should not go to prison, I am 100% in agreement that she is getting preferential treatment and that this sets the quest for equality backwards.

  7. JDA_Glasgow 14 Jul 2010, 3:38pm

    I wonder if the CPS will appeal against the sentence? I assume that is possible.

  8. This is a disgusting ruling. I am a transsexual, I am a survivor of childhood abuse, and I can think of no excuse under the sun for making such abhorrent behavior tolerable in any way, certainly not by way of a reduced sentence to spare the suffering of the guilty perpetrator. All transsexuals work through difficult things during transition, it’s an obviously difficult process, but for the vast majority of us such perverse behavior never even enters the mind, because there is nothing inherently perverse about being transsexual. That this woman did this is inexcusable and, as the other postings and the article point out, it simply sends an awful message to the world that child abuse is somehow more acceptable when supported by a minority group. This freakish ruling cannot stand! I’m not sure of the legal process abroad, but I know in the states there would be room to fight such a judgment.

    I hope Kidscape and the LGBT community raise an unbearable ruckus over this. The world doesn’t need more reasons to misunderstand and hate LGB or trans-people. And the world certainly doesn’t need to start thinking that crimes against children are getting lesser punishments.

    And perhaps with luck the offending pictures can lead to the arrests of the ghouls that were involved in taking them.

  9. WHAT!?

    Okay, I’m transsexual and this woman should be in jail! There is no reason why she should not have been sent to a women’s jail and been forced to carry out her sentence.

    I agree fully that this is the kind of act which makes our minority look like we can just get away with anything, just because…… Well how about this, you can get away with going not to jail, just don’t look at pictures of child abuse…. which is the same for everyone!!

    Grrrr I’m going to write a blog now, this is complete and utter rubbish. As per above, we want equality, not special treatment!

  10. Stephanie (again) 14 Jul 2010, 10:46pm

    Wonderful. News of this filth is everywhere I look now. Yahoo news has every right-wing person on the planet blasting us as perverts and sick crazies. I’d like to throw that nasty woman in the men’s prison personally. The women’s prison at a minimum.

  11. Pumpkin Pie 14 Jul 2010, 11:08pm

    Nice to see a judge acknowledging that the state has a duty to protect the well-being of those subject to its punishments. I’ve been complaining about that for years. Hopefully, such logic will be applied to more cases and, eventually, our country’s woefully inadequate justice system will get the reforms it so badly needs.

    …Oh, right. And downloading child porn is bad, mmm-kay? Not as bad as actually abusing a child, or sending a woman to be raped or beaten to death for committing a crime, but it’s still pretty bad. Just wanted to make that clear.

  12. I go with the majority on here. Just because we don’t have prisons to accommodate these people does not mean they should just walk.

    It also puts all LGBT people in a rather poor light where we can be seen as being discriminated in our favour, which I am sure nobody wants. On top of that, surely this cannot be the first transexual ever to be sentenced to prison?

  13. Oh well, it makes a change from Catholic priests I suppose.

  14. Also, I think Stephanie makes a good point. A lot of trans children are survivors of sexual abuse. Having a secret they are supposed to be ashamed of makes them an easy target, and if they were to report the abuse they may find themselves trying to explain their gender as well.

  15. OrtharRrith 15 Jul 2010, 11:10am

    She should go to prison simple as that. She’s been found guilty of a serious crime and has to be punished for it. That said.. sending her to a mans prison would be a serious miscarrage of justice, as not only are you then sentencing her to a custodial sentence (which she deserves), but you are then also sentencing her to additional abuse at the hands of male inmates ie: verbal abuse, beatings and potentially rape. Yes she derves to go to prison but please it should be a womans prison – even if that means her being placed on a secure wing where she can be watched.
    Punish her for her crime, not for her crime AND for being transsexual – which is what sending her to a male prison is tantamount to doing.

  16. The problem with a woman’s pison is that she still has a man’s body. Women will therefore not accept her, unless she is segregated.

  17. Mihangel apYrs 15 Jul 2010, 1:25pm

    nonces and the like are segregated anyway for their own safety.

    Putting her in a woman’s prison and segregated with the other outcasts would be equitable

  18. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and putting this person in prison, would most likely be a male prison. We need to follow Italy’s example, and have a trans prison, or at the very least, have definite rules for trans prisoners.

    I never intend to break the law, but innocent people can end up in prison, and all people in prison should be protected regardless of their crime.

    She probably already tried to get some kind of counseling to help her, but these services we’re already underfunded, and now will most likely get less funding under the new government.

  19. poeticlicense 15 Jul 2010, 6:22pm

    As a transsexual myself, I am apalled that a sex offender can be let off prison albeit with a suspended sentence, just because she is a transsexual. We want equality in every sense of the word, not special rights, and acceptance by society, yet this judge has set that back many years potentially with this judgement.

    It proves beyond any reasonable doubt that British judges are out of touch with the society they serve, and a complete overhaul needs to begin with immediate effect, starting with a home office review of this case.

  20. OrtharRrith 15 Jul 2010, 7:48pm

    Sending a transwoman to a male prison is not equality – it’s every transwoman’s nightmare! She should be sent to a womens prison not a mens, even if that meant being kept on a secure wing away from the majority of other prisoners.
    If she had been sent to a mens prison then it sends a precident for sending other transwomen to male prisons and that’s wrong. I say again, punish her for her crime, not for her gender.
    The judge hasn’t set acceptance back by making this judgement – yes she should’ve looked hard at sending Voyce to a womens prison and letting her off with a suspended sentence is questionable to say the least, but sending someone to a prison where you can be pretty certain that they will be abused and assualted, perhaps even raped and killed isn’t a viable sentence anyone should be made to suffer.
    Yes a prison sentence is warrented – I’m in no way excusing what she did – but please be realistic. Sending her to a mens prison would be setting equality and acceptance of transpeople back, as that would send a signal and set precident that it should be done with all transwomen regardless of the crime.

  21. This is absolutely ridiculous. How is this going to look to the general public when this is splashed over mainstream press? As someone said earlier, imagine the headlines “Trannies can get away with paedophilia!” Did the judge not think of a woman’s prison? She’s a woman who committed a horrible crime, so send her to a female prison..it’s not rocket science.

    I could see how sending a trans man to a male prison could pose serious problems but a trans woman is likely to be a lot safer in a female prison, and whatever her crime, shouldn’t she be protected in prison?

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