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Labour leadership hopefuls Ed Balls and Diane Abbott support full gay marriage

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  1. vulpus_rex 14 Jul 2010, 4:52pm

    Two things:

    Diane Abbott is a likeable politician whose support for gay Marriage is welcome. However given that she pays lip service to the Labour party’s stand on selective and private education and yet has her son privately educated suggests she is a hyprocrite who is more than happy to prostitute her principles as and when it suits her.

    Ed Balls – slimey, thuggish, liar who was the protege and key supporter of Brown (the unelected dictator). His association with Brown’s track record of mad, self-deluded incompetence speaks for itself. He simply cannot be trusted.

    I hope of course that Balls is elected – it will guarantee that Labour are in opposition for years, what a pleasing thought.

  2. Good news at last! At least the lab party sounds like they are finally opening their minds to the fact that CPs are not “adequate” and are not equal to marriage. I find it amazing that all those people who have been telling us how pro gay labour are haven’t bothered to tell the Millibands that the many in the gay community want gay marriage, what on earth are labour LGBT and the labour supporters doing if they haven’t made it known, as for Stonewall then I just hope that there is a change of heart there as well, perhpas if the new leader does support gay marriage then they may change their mind and stop saying that CPs are “adequate”..

    http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/view/pressrelease/liberal-democratic-party-nick-clegg-s-message-ahead-of-london-pride-2010-435494

    By the way CLegg said prior to pride that the lib dems were “pushing for gay marriage” and he is one half of the coalition govt!!!

  3. Mihangel apYrs 14 Jul 2010, 5:21pm

    @John
    Clegg is Cameron’s fag

  4. Whatever, as long as he has influence! Labour currently doesn’t have any!

  5. Isn’t it amazing what some will say Just in the hope of being a party leader. Diane Abbot is the Only one with at least some personality out of all the contenders.

    The likes of Ed Balls and the rest would be an absolute disaster.

  6. I should make clear I think All labour candidates would be a disaster.

  7. flood gates are open 14 Jul 2010, 7:51pm

    wake up and smell the salt, both these policiains are just doing this to enhance their chances at the elections. Like all politicians they say what YOU want to hear and when they get in they just forget about what they said or sweep it to the side until the next election comes
    NO politician in this country is able to tell the truth, that is why this country is in the mess that it is and it is only going to get worse

  8. Paul Halsall 14 Jul 2010, 9:59pm

    I will be happy with either of the Milibands as leader, although I love Diane Abbott.

    What really pisses me off is gay men who support the Tories. They are either too young, too greedy/rich, or too stupid to remember 1979-1997.

    This article did, however, make me mildly more in favour of Ed Balls.

  9. It’s good news that two possible leaders of one of the main political parties would support gay marriage. I hope the Millibands change their minds. And I hope the leader of the conservative party will change his mind and support gay equality too.

  10. @8 what really pisses me off Halsall is gay men who make ridiculous pejorative assumptions about why people vote the way they do.

    I voted tory as this was the best chance of getting rid of the most incompetent, mad, self deluded leader of this country we have ever had.

    Your blinkered, jurassic view of politics though should serve as a warning to all gay men – Liebour want you thick, poor and benefit dependent and just because they dish out a few equality sweeties you don’t have to vote for them.

  11. Patrick James 14 Jul 2010, 10:55pm

    Squidgy writes:

    Isn’t it amazing what some will say Just in the hope of being a party leader.

    I think this is funny :)

    Squidgy is actually writing this about Ed Balls and Diane Abbott I think.

    But really Squidgy, I think there are much better applications elsewhere…

  12. Patrick James 14 Jul 2010, 10:57pm

    vulpus_rex writes:

    what really pisses me off

    I think very many things piss poor vulpus_rex off :)

  13. Patrick James 14 Jul 2010, 11:04pm

    Well, of course I’m delighted that Ed Balls and Dianne Abbot are supporting full gay marriage.

    Personally I think whoever wins the Labour party leadership election stands a very good chance of becoming the next Prime Minister.

    As a Labour party member this issue will have very great influence on how I vote in the leadership election.

  14. Patrick James 14 Jul 2010, 11:08pm

    John writes:

    By the way CLegg said prior to pride that the lib dems were “pushing for gay marriage” and he is one half of the coalition govt!!!

    Didn’t Clegg also say something about 20% VAT rise?

  15. Patrick James 14 Jul 2010, 11:11pm

    John writes:

    I find it amazing that all those people who have been telling us how pro gay labour are haven’t bothered to tell the Millibands that the many in the gay community want gay marriage, what on earth are labour LGBT and the labour supporters doing if they haven’t made it known,

    Very many LGBT Labour party members have been exercising their views about this to the leadership candidates for some time now.

  16. Patrick James writes:

    After my lobotomy all I can do is troll on behalf of the labour party but I wish I still had a mind of my own.

  17. Hodge Podge 14 Jul 2010, 11:52pm

    I sort of want to hug Diane Abbot, but don’t want her to be my prime minister. (I’d still prefer her to the other new labour croneys).

    We can get marriage equality this parliament if we organise and push.

  18. People who claim that Gordon Brown was not elected clearly have no understanding of the way that voting works here in the UK. Gordon Brown WAS elected, he was elected as Member of Parliament for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath voters. Selection of party leader is an internal process, you are voting for YOUR MP, not the leader of whichever party YOUR MP happens to represent. The Labour government did not last any longer than it was permitted to (5 years) due to the change in leadership. So educate yourselves and stop talking nonsense about this ‘unelected’ PM please. Political affiliation has nothing to do with it, you are simply spreading lies.

  19. Patrick James 15 Jul 2010, 1:47am

    BenB writes:

    People who claim that Gordon Brown was not elected clearly have no understanding of the way that voting works here in the UK.

    Well yes, of course, it is a party parliamentary democracy.

    As a Labour guy I will say that I don’t mind when people accuse Gordon Brown of having been “unelected” because it merely demonstrates that they don’t understand how the British parliamentary system works.

  20. It is disappointing that David Miliband has a ‘let’s see how the tide turns’ approach to gay marriage, rather than a principaled, unconditional support for it.

    He is a member of LABOUR (one of the more pro-gay civil rights political parties) and he is an ATHEIST. So I don’t see why it’s so difficult for him to take a principled position on this issue!

  21. Actually Ben and Patrick whilst you are of course partly right you fail to see that in a democracy, people do vote for a party also based on it’s Leader. The strength of the leader will determine the votes. Did you learn nothing about why we had the leadership debates and why for years they had been campaigned for?

    Gordon Brown was Only elected by the people Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath but his leadership decides who the country will vote for so technically he was Never voted Prime Minister by the public. Lets be honest it wasn’t just that people saw the dire mess the party were leaving us in but the fact that most people hated the thought of Gordon Brown being Prime Minister.

    It is why really we should have a General Election everytime a new leader takes over a party at least within one year of a sitting Parliament.

    So too correct you both while Gordon Brown was indeed voted to run his constituency, and voted by the Labour Party to run the party, he was Never democratically voted Prime Minister by the public. He will therefore in history be remembered (though hopefully forgotten…. Who is he again?) as an ‘unelected’ Prime Minister.

    May I suggest you both try and learn the ways and whys of what happens at demcratic elections esp general elections before feeling the need to tell everyone else they are wrong and only you can be right.

  22. And so they should. They hardly deserve praise for supporting equality. It should be a foregone conclusion that our elected public representatives support equality for all citizens.

    there is no reason on earth not to support the right of law abiding, taxpaying same sex couples to enter the legal contract of civil marriage.

    Opposing the right of same sex couples to enter the contract of civil marriage if they wish is bigotted. End of story.

    The Millibands are bigots for supporting segregation. As is Cameron. As is Clegg. As were Brown and Blair.

    As are Stonewall UK.

  23. Tim Hopkins 15 Jul 2010, 9:27am

    The Argentine Parliament passed their same-sex marriage bill last night, and the president has already promised she will sign it.

    Argentina is the first South American country to get equal marriage, and the third country this year (the others being Portugal and Iceland).

    Although nothing’s changed in the UK of course, we continue, relatively speaking, to fall further behind.

    The Equality Network is launching our new equal marriage campaign mailing list next week – it will carry news updates about equal marriage around the world and of course about the campaign for equal marriage in Scotland. If you’d like to join it, email me at tim at equality-network.org

  24. After lab’s last disastrous gay manifesto , which failed to improve their gay polls, plus Brown’s holier than thou comment that gays will NOT be allowed gay marriage because HE had to balance relgious views with the introduction of it. Plus of course their negative interference in a foreign human rights case in Austria where they argued that marriage is the traditional one only betwee men and women, it is refreshing that they appeared to have “moved on” at long last. There was a time when I thought they would never move on! and it seem that the Milliband bros are struggling with that. If they didn’t move on then why the hell would their LGBT pollings improve in the next election, there are no major LGBT difference between the major parties and if the coalition govt don’t do anything neg between now and the next election then all those horror stories of the 80s won’t make one heck of difference when lab try to trash them. If they don’t adopt gay marriage with gusto then they can kiss the LGBT vote goodbye! By the way the requirement to be “discreet” which was being forced upon asylum seekers under threat of perucation in their own countries for being gay was a labour requirement, was’nt Milliband the foreign secretary then!

  25. Patrick James 15 Jul 2010, 9:40am

    In response to Squidgy:

    The UK is a party parliamentary democracy.

    We do not “elect” Prime Ministers in general elections.

    The televised leadership contest wasn’t an election, it was a television programme.

    If you wish to change the constitution of the UK then you are most welcome to pursue that, however as it stands, we can very safely say that in the UK we elect parties not presidents.

  26. Sister Mary Clarance 15 Jul 2010, 9:46am

    “Very many LGBT Labour party members have been exercising their views about this to the leadership candidates for some time now. ”

    Well it did precious little good didn’t it frankly when Labour politicians actually had an opportunity to bring about change, much along the same lines as gays in the military, that they quite happily permitted to go all the way to the European Court of Human Rights, and the issue of deportation of gay asylum seekers to countries where they faced torture and abuse.

    Oh yes, very vocal these too, Jesus you couldn’t hear yourself think with all their shouting and protesting … I think NOT!

  27. Argentine is now 1 Presidential signature away from marriage equality (and the president has said she fully intends to sign it)

    Yet another country (and another catholic country at that) leapfrogs Britain in terms of marriage equality.

    Netherlands
    Belgium
    Canada
    South Africa
    Spain
    Sweden
    Norway
    Portugal
    Iceland
    Argentine

    It’s getting embarrassing to hear British politicians babble on about how advanced Britain is in terms of gay rights.

    Britain is not even in the Top 10 countries in terms of equality.

    The 2 Millibands can go **** off with their support for civil partnership apartheid.

  28. @ Patrick

    No-one said we vote for a Prime Minister as an individual. They represent their party.

    So your saying Leaders of a party don’t have to ‘sell’ their party to the voter? and never have?

    This is a democracy not a Labour loving communist country. Your saying Labour not getting in in the 80s/90s had nothing to do with Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock making the Party unelectable?

    You need to give the voter a little more credit. It is about parties policies but it is and always will be the leader than represents them that people will vote for.

    After all in your mind Gordon Brown would have won, yet clearly the voter dreaded the though of it. You’ll find a leader of a party has a great deal to do with the voter. Why have a leadership contest if it wasn’t worthy of it? Clearly any party wants a leader that will make Them electable.

    To think otherwise is just lunacy!

  29. Mihangel apYrs 15 Jul 2010, 11:36am

    Squidgy (22 et al)

    Brown was not he only PM to take over in mid-term: remember MAjor, Callaghan, Macmillan….?

    Our constitution says that the leader of the party likely to command a majority in hte HoC forms the government, we allow for changing PMs. So while Brown may have had many faults he was the trulty legitimate PM

  30. @ Mihangel

    I’m well aware of what the constitution says. Being that my parents worked for the Labour Party in the 80s I probably learnt most I need to know. It doesn’t change the fact that a big part of what people vote on is someone strong enough to lead the country. When that leader changes the public Should vote on if thats who they want.

    Clearly with Gordon Brown that was a definite no. Therefore he was never and will never be an elected Prime Minister. They’d be no point in leadership contests if the leader was meaningless and wasn’t choosen on the hope of gettin that party in and the leader in No. 10.

    As for Ed Balls, not only is he totally unelectable for the party as a whole but seriously a Prime Minister called Ed Balls, it’s just too laughable and I sense the rest of the world would see it that way too!!

  31. Most politically literate people are aware of how the parliamentary system works but at the end of the day people are voting on who they want to be prime minister as well as which party they want to see in power.

    Huge swathes of middle england who wouldn’t normally vote conservative adored Margaret Thatcher – they were voting for her personally.

    By contrast I know a handful of labour party members who refused to vote labour this time as they recognised what I say above – it meant voting to put the mad, deluded incompetent Brown back in power.

    Grieves me as it does to concede this, but the Labour party have been so succesful at gerrymandering the population that had Tony Blair still been the leader, Labour would be enjoying their fourth term. Brown was just hated by too many people.

  32. Yeah but why thre hell should an LGBT person vote for any of them. If you didn’t notice even after all the bad press against the Tories on their LGBT records, the swing was towards lib dems and not lab… we were all failry fed up and disillusioned with lab full stop and having millaband or any of these guys with their existing lgbt manifesto would not have got any more votes among gay people … Brown was crap but so were his lgbt policies and also his econimic ones, what has changed…. are you lot saying it doesn’t matter what they say about gay marriage etc then we are stupid enought to vote for a face, a personality and person with a snappy name….

  33. Mihangel apYrs 15 Jul 2010, 1:33pm

    Squidgy/Vulpus, none of this was an issue when the Blessed Margaret was defenestrated and replaced by Major, who was a very different fish, so why the big problem with Blair -> Brown, especially as the “Granta” deal was common knowledge?

  34. David Miliband is an idiot. He says his mind isn’t closed on the issue of full marriage equality if there is demand and I daresay Cameron et al is not different. What planet is he living on? We now have 10 countries with full marriage equality, demand was not a criterion upon which to pass this arguably most important piece of equality legislation. No longer can any of them hide behind the separate is equal nonsense. If Argentina, the fourth catholic country to legalise same-sex marriage can do it, there is absolutely NO rational argument to uphold the ban on our marrying, absolutely none. If 10 countries considered other forms of legal unions as good as marriage, they wouldn’t have legalised it let alone bother with it. Our labour and tory parties are living in the dark ages on this one issue, all emanating from religious bigotry and homophobia. Cameron, like his predecessors, Brown and Blair, haven’t evolved and I don’t expect that to change.

    John….Clegg has been rather silent in his support for full marriage equality since the election. Was it just an election ploy. Talk is cheap, action speaks far louder than words.

  35. Would people please write to PinkNews ( news@pinknews.co.uk ) and tell them that “full gay marriage” is not where it is at. Its equal marriage that we need, and that they should be reporting on. Gay marriage means a separate law (which usually includes lesbians too), and has usually gone along with nasty little reservations, like banning adoption. We need the marriage law opening to all sexes, just as was done in Canada, Spain, Iceland, and soon Argentina (when the president has signed the law).

  36. @ Mihangel

    Actually your wrong. I do remember a lot of being said at the time that John Major should have gone to the country sooner so they could have their vote.

  37. Robert – you’re probably right Clegg’s comment about pushing for gay marriage is probably a con but can’t the Greens (the only party supporting gay marriage) MP Caroline Lucas ask Clegg a parliamentary question on what he meant by pushing for gay marriage in his pre pride 2010 blurb.. Alternatively our leading gay campaingning organisation Stonewall or perhaps Thatchell can get somekind of response on what he meant. He did say these words afterall just a few weeks ago not just prior to the election …what on earth does he mean by them, why say them or is just referring to CP with relgious ceremonies – and what do the lab potential leaders mean by supporting gay marriage, are they actually going to do anytthing in oppoistion ….

  38. Patrick James 16 Jul 2010, 12:33am

    Squidgy writes:

    No-one said we vote for a Prime Minister as an individual. They represent their party.

    But my response was to this earlier statement of yours:

    Gordon Brown was Only elected by the people Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath but his leadership decides who the country will vote for so technically he was Never voted Prime Minister by the public.

    I will repeat that the UK is a party parliamentary democracy, people vote for parties not Presidents.

    I don’t think you understand this.

    As usual you post is just rude and silly and I am not going to spend any more time explaining the basics of how the UK functions to you.

  39. theotherone 16 Jul 2010, 2:08am

    Dear oh dear: Mr. ‘I don’t give a fvck about the poor’ Balls supported a bill that allows schools to teach that Homosexuality is wrong AND supports Marriage Equality? What is that after they’ve ben beaten into the ground by the Education System Mr ‘I don’t give a fvck about the poor’ Balls?

    You make me sick Mr ‘I don’t give a fvck about the poor’ Balls.

    Oh and folks: Gordo was never voted PM, Major was. Slight difference there is there not?

  40. theotherone 16 Jul 2010, 2:11am

    ‘As usual you post is just rude and silly and I am not going to spend any more time explaining the basics of how the UK functions to you.’

    Yes Pet and you’re the very soul of good manners are you not?

    People vote for a PARTY in an election NOT the individual candidate. If you think otherwise you’ve never been in either a Labour, Lib Dem or Tory ‘Heartland.’

    You claim that the leader of a Party means nothing? They decide the form and direction of the Government – I think you’ll find that The Great British Public are interested in such things.

  41. @ Patrick James

    Of course your not. You clearly have absloutely No idea of what voting means and why people do so and how so.

    Why continuously show yourself up with you communist lack of knowledge. Insulting the voters seems to be Very Labour. You’ve done em proud.

  42. matthew London 16 Jul 2010, 9:49am

    Just because Stonewall do not want goy marriage does not mean that ‘not enough people support it’

  43. Mihangel apYrs 16 Jul 2010, 9:57am

    theotherone
    Major was voted in as PM after he held a general election. Whatever happened before that was internal party matters. And Squidgy, there was nowhere near the hysterical uproar after Major replaced the blessed Margaret as there was when Gordon replaced Tony.

    It’s only recently, I believe, that the party leader has impact on voting intentions. Thatcher appealed to many non-tory voters because she demonstrated some quality they liked, or appealed to some opinion they had. Blair did it by not being Major, and appearing bright, shiny and modern.

    I don’t remember the same idolisation of Macmillan, Wilson or Heath (theough the later lost mainly on his appeal to the country to support him – he wasn’t particularly “clubbable”)

    That’s my opinion, anyway, as good as anyone’s

  44. Would this be the same Labour Party that makes reams of pre-election promises, “Yes, we’ll do that, yes, yes, yes, of course!” and then once every moron has voted on them, backtracks and U-Turns on everything?

    I have three words: European Union Referendum.

  45. theotherone 16 Jul 2010, 11:26am

    ‘Major was voted in as PM after he held a general election.’

    The point I tried to make was that he, unlike Brown, went to the Country.

    Brown refused to do this, stayed until the last possible moment and then tried to steal the Election after loosing it with his laughable ‘rainbow coalition.’

  46. @45 yes – Brown is now the only (I think) prime minister who has suffered the humiliating experience of never having won at a general election and being comprehensively rejected once he was dragged kicking and screaming to face the country.

    There is some absolutely hilarious footage on U tube of Brown on the night of the 1992 election counting his chickens before they hatch – the man’s arrogance is astounding.

  47. @ (45)

    here here!!

    @ (46)

    Brown who? :o)

  48. Just because Stonewall do not want goy marriage does not mean that ‘not enough people support it’ – comment 42

    But some of the potential lab party leaders eg Milliband say that Summerskill ie Stonewall have done the most for gay equality so for these guys it IS important for Stonewall to support gay marriage otherwise they don’t seem to give a damn what other people say.

    Of course you could say that if they’re daft enough to think this then they’re not worth bothering about – ie they must be so out of touch with reality !!

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