I would urge the homophobes to change their lives and get help. Taking their imaginary friend in the sky this serious suggests deep mental problems and need professional care!
Don’t like it, go to an Islamic country. In case some of you don’t know it, the U.K isn’t one of them.
Surely Derby is not such a big place that it has more than a couple of Mosques, and it is assumed these protesters are devout Muslims, so are probably known to the Imams and community fathers – Is it not beyond the abilities of these people to actually take these people aside and not only point out the futility of their actions, but the anti-social consequences and the bad public image these people give to the majority of moderate Muslims living in the town?
These places of worship and the people that run them hold considerable influence on their congregation, but until it is seen that they are actually trying to integrate with the wider community, and control their activist types, indigenous Brits are going to continue to alienate themselves from them, and the divide will only grow wider.
These deluded (i.e. religous) dimwits need to mind their own business.
‘Police were present to steer the parade away from the protest’ shouldn’t the police be steering the protesters away from the parade?
Don’t start with the Islamophobia, please. I was at London Pride and the only protesters there were Christians (proportionally an equally pathetic turnout in terms of numbers, incidentally). Bigotry exists in the extreme corners of every religion, and we can do much better than stooping to their level by decrying the entire community of Religion X whenever relevant when, as pointed out by Mr Nawaz, the extremists are not representative. Surveys have shown the general Muslim rank and file to be as apathetic about homosexuality as most Christians are. So, leave it out.
BenB: “Surveys have shown the general Muslim rank and file to be as apathetic about homosexuality as most Christians are.”
So why don’t they sort out their troublemakers that are tarring them with the same brush instead of sticking their heads in the sand and pretending this sort of thing doesn’t go on?
I agree BenB, christians can be as bad as muslims when it comes to judging homosexuals as evil. Both belief systems are bigoted from the root of their views, their ‘holy’ books (and Judaism included) are filled with intollerant ideas about people from other religious belief systems, racial groups, sexualities and moral minorities. Christians and mulsims are therefore unfortunately by the nature of their belief systems homophobic. I was constantly faced with homophobia when I lived in the east end of london from muslim men and women, whereas Ive never seen a muslim being faced with islamaphobia in any gay village. Perhaps if gay men and women started to protest outside mosques and treated muslims are muslims treat us you would have a point. But the islamaphobia is directed at a group of people, who when they have any power in the world (i.e. the middle east), homosexuality is punishable by imprisonment, torture and death. I don’t see any countries run by homosexuals where muslims face imprisonment, torture or death. So if there is any group who is more guilty of a phobia against the other, it is certainly the muslims that take the award for intollerance against homosexuals.
Please, cut the crap. Stop pretending that homophobia is some sort of marginal thing among Muslims in this country. It’s not! According to a survey done in collaboration between Gallup and the Coexist Foundation, 100% of Muslims in this country (yes, A HUNDRED PER CENT) regard homosexuality to be IMMORAL! More worryingly, a poll carried out by Policy Exchange had showed that 72% of young Muslim men thought that homosexuality should be RECRIMINALISED. Therefore, for you to claim that most Muslims are ‘apathetic’ towards homosexuality is delusional/wishful.
Also, stop using the nonsensical term ‘Islamophobia’. There is nothing irrational about opposing a homophobic, sexist, pro-death penalty and mutilation, and authoritarian religion. The silly term ‘Islamophobia’ is just copied from the term homophobia WHICH IS A REAL FORM OF BIGOTRY. I don’t know of any country where being a Muslim is a crime, but I do know of around 70 countries where being gay is a sin, ALMOST ALL OF WHICH ARE MUSLIM-MAJORITY COUNTRIES.
So, again, CUT THE CRAP!!
N.B. no one is defining Christianity here. Christians, simply because there are far more of them (for the time being) in the UK, are the biggest threat to gay civil rights. However, Muslims are a growing threat and I will not have a homo boy like yourself in defending them when they are RIGHTFULLY criticised for their homophobia. You’re in denial. Grow up and face the uncomfortable truth! Stop defending every minority out there just because they are a minority. Certain minorities, such as evangelical Christians, Muslims and et cetera, are a threat to liberal values and they should be condemned just as we condemn the BNP.
SamB: Frankly, I don’t give a toss about what people think about homosexuality.
It’s what they say and do about it that concerns me.
SamB is mostly right by the way. I say mostly because there is a silent minority who just want to be good muslims, and don’t want to impose it on others. I wish they would make themselves heard more.
I dispute the existence of ‘islamophobia’ – a contradiction in terms.
I would have loved to invite the protesters to change their lives, and open their minds to reason, tell them the good news about Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin, and help them realise that there is no god and there is also a road FROM Medina as well as to it; and also that apostasy is a moral action.
The ‘silent minority’ who just want to be good muslims. You are right. Good muslims, choose to live their lives the way they believe they should. it is the political Islamist we should fear ( and I emphasise the word fear, because phobia, suggests a fear with no real base). Political Islam not only wants to live their lives they way they believe they should, but they want everyone else to live this way too. So, the muslim will not eat pork or drink alcohol, but the Islamist doesn’t want anyone else to do it either. These people are a danger to society and humanity, because they want to impose their will on EVERYONE.
Well said Sam B
“So why don’t they sort out their troublemakers that are tarring them with the same brush”
We’ve not been able to shut you up though Spanner have we.
“According to a survey done in collaboration between Gallup and the Coexist Foundation, 100% of Muslims in this country (yes, A HUNDRED PER CENT) regard homosexuality to be IMMORAL! More worryingly, a poll carried out by Policy Exchange had showed that 72% of young Muslim men thought that homosexuality should be RECRIMINALISED. Therefore, for you to claim that most Muslims are ‘apathetic’ towards homosexuality is delusional/wishful.”
That survey showed vastly different results to a number of other surveys in this country and employed a methodology that was insensitive to the subject mater. The sample size was sufficiently large that there were almost certainly a representative sample of gay people interviewed and yet seemingly they too thought homosexuality immoral.
I do not deny that they are real issues with the attitude of many Muslims to gay people, but I think your ‘man the barricades’ response is way over the top.
Hopefully, all the Muslims would have been covered head to toe and their words would have been inaudible!
A polite messages to all those Christian, Muslims and whoever protest we should ‘change our lives’…
The second word I had in mind is off, you may chose the first!!
Interesting article in the Telegraph . . . “Councillor Rahman”
. . . I am sure it has nothing to do with the Rahman who generated over 600 threads on this site – when a Homophobic Islamic preacher was banned from speaking at a London University last year.
all religions are hateful to gays
so we should start banning indoctrination
and the religious lies
Islam acctually preaches to kill gays
that is a fact and therefore should be criminalized for the hate speech .all religions agree that we should go to hell
that is if hell did exist
stop religious lies now
Just how small were these Muslims, anyway? Are we talking wee little hateful gnomes here?
Joking aside, it’s always nice to see how pathetically small the turn-outs for hateful protests are. The times, they be changin’.