Myself and friends are attempting to arrange a reclaim Pride event for next year for 2011.
We intend to stage a picnic in Hyde Park as a protest at the commercialisation of London Pride . .
The first picnics were held at The Dell near the serpentine cafeteria, no permission sought nor stewarding , in recent years The Royal Parks have refused to stage Pride .
It is our hope to return to a Pride where people matter , not peripherals, all we need is people , we do not need stages , do not need bars and beer tents , funfairs or boybands promoting their latest singles , we just need a picnic and each other .
We don’t boycott Pride just London Pride and its shameful Pride committee.
The committee that does not listen to what the trans community want, instead tries to impose its view of what trans folk should be.
London Pride is fast becoming just a political platform for political parties not LGBT issues. Maybe next year they could call it Tory, Labour and Lib Dem Pride and dispense with all us LGBT folk.
I did like the banners declaring ” dont trust a tory ” especially in view of tory Home Office advise to gay asylum seekers ” be discreet ” when returned to their home country, many of these countries refer to trans women as gay men so those who identify as trans will treated the same way.
I have no axe to grind with the gay community and wish we could restore common ground, but the rift has been widening for a while – the abandonement many felt by Stonewall, the whole ‘toiletgate’ thing at Pride 08, then this whole parody of transgender with the absurd drag/Priscilla cliche. I stayed away because the latter is 100% not me, and I will I am fairly active in trans rights, I see no role for us at an event like this until there is some very serious demonstration that the organisers understand the trans perspective and experience.
If this isn’t internalized hate i don’t know what is!!! I cannot believe Pride attendants refused entry to toilets for transsexuals. If we stand any chance of fighting off homophobia and transphobia we need to stick together. The moment we pick each other apart, is the moment of weakness we need to be united in ‘LGBTQ’ with no divisions!!!!!
I don’t know how many trans people feel like me, but I simply want to be accepted as a woman, without the need for a perennial trans label stuck on my forehead. While I enormously respect what Pride has achieved in obtaining human rights in the UK and still does elsewhere, I feel threatened by the stereotypical view that the media picks up of trans people from Pride. Somehow, we have to fulfill the aspirations of all trans people, including those of us who wish to put our pasts behind us.
Am I right in thinking that most trans people are actually straight? I have nothing against trans people truly, but the gay community isn’t a village for anyone that doesn’t fit into traditional social/gender norms. It is our homosexuality that defines us.
I agree with Reb in terms of the sexuality of trans people. If you’re a man ”trapped” in a woman’s body or vice versa its surely got nothing to do with your sexual needs and fulfillment but rather an issue relating to gender. When and why was the ‘t’ tacked on to the end of LGBT?
@ Reb and Ignacio – Actually, there is anecdotal evidence to suggest about a half to two thirds of trans people identify as LGB or queer and the rest as straight. But that’s beside the point.
The reasons why LGB and T are linked are in part due to how some people in society abuse LGBT people. People often give homophobic abuse because a man might be seen as too feminine or a woman is too masculine and so they are called poof, queer, dyke etc. The same goes for trans people. The abuse often comes when people express their masculinity / femininity differently from the rest of society and that is often perceived as being gay, lesbian etc.
LGBT people share similar forms of oppression, abuse, discrimination and violence by society & religious groups and the best way to confront it, IMHO, is to unite together and say no one should experience abuse, discrimination and violence just because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
The trans group has its own festival no? Hallowe’en!
The trans event is Sparkle (www.sparkle.org.uk) and it is this weekend in Manchester
“The trans group has its own festival no? Hallowe’en!”
Very funny. Nice to see prejudice alive and well even on the pages of Pink News. “Just a joke” no doubt. As usual. Yawn.
I personally would like to see the trans movement split entirely from the LGB community, as it has tended to in the US, whilst maintaining cordial relations. Whilst trans people share abuse that sounds the same and comes from the same undifferentiating bigots, the source and meaning of the trans experience is entirely different from the gay one.
Sadly, whilst the general population still doesn’t really understand what transgender is and assumes it to be a variant of gay to do with (usually) frocking up, gay people can display prejudice towards trans people too. Being gay doesn’t of itself create any particular understanding of what it feels like to be transgender (why would it? To be gay does not mean to struggle with your gender identity) beyond a general sense of solidarity perhaps with a group who have been perenially shat on by society. But we get that from sympathetic, aware, civilised straight people too.
Comment by Dean_Buchanan — July 7, 2010 @ 16:36
Clever fcuker incha?
Dean that is a really nasty thing to say.
“The trans group has its own festival no? Hallowe’en! ”
And people are supprised at the way transgender people are treated?
“The trans event is Sparkle (www.sparkle.org.uk) and it is this weekend in Manchester ”
Sparkle is more of a crossdressers/transvestite/some-transwomen-maybe event that the ‘transgender festivle’ it likes to think it is.
I couldn’t agree more. Many trans people may be also gay but the inclusion of trans people under the gay umbrella may well do a disservice to some trans people. I certainly believe it does for transsexual people, as opposed to others who may be transgendered but not transsexual. As sussex woman says (comment #6), she wants to be accepted simply “as a woman”, I am the same, I did not go through transition in order to be forever viewed as a “trans woman” rather than simply as a “woman”. So, while gay people generally will wish to assert their gayness, I believe that transsexual people do NOT wish to assert their transness and so there is a fundamental difference and no reason for transsexual people to want to be “brought back into the fold”. I am certainly never going to parade under a “trans” banner in a Pride parade, I did not choose to be trans, it was always something to be overcome, to be put right, not something I’d fly a flag for. I may be slated for once again emphasising this point, perhaps particularly by people who may be transgendered but not transsexual and who have accused me in the past of a kind of disloyalty to what they often define as the “transgender community”. Well, so be it…..but I believe my point is valid.
So…..inclusion in Pride, no thank you.
Btw, I am not “Jane Fae”, the writer of the Pink News article.
Jane – the people marching under the trans banners were very much supporting your view of being just their gender and demonstrating to the world that are just ordinary men a women.
You seem, for some unknown reason, to have assumed that the trans groups were portraying a “drag queen” or glam transvestite image of the trans community, nothing could be further from the truth. The groups as far as i could tell were almost exclusively made of of transsexual persons dressed in very ordinary day clothes. Perhaps rather dull and boring compared to the rest of the parade – but that’s just it – we showed how different we are.
If the world is to accept us for who we are, events like Pride are an excellent opportunity to show who we really are and counter the hideous caricatures and negative images punted out by the mainstream media.
Is your point valid? Methinks the jury is out on that …
Linda, it’s good to hear that the trans contingent were
presenting themselves simply as dull, boring, ordinary
people. Perhaps that is what is needed, rather than the association of trans people with the drag queens,
cross-dressers, fake nuns, etc, etc. that, I suppose,
were there in other parts of the parade. It isn’t what
I or we think (or know) that matters, it’s the
identification the general public makes that matters
and that matters to us in our everyday lives, not simply on Pride Day. Rather than “boycotting” Pride, perhaps transsexual people
are realising and deciding that Pride does not help them.
That’ ok, Jane (the one posting above who ISN’T me) cause i agree with much of what you say. I am trying to put together a couple of pieces right now explaining to non-trans the roots of anti-trans views as we see them.
One difficulty is a difficulty that places us much more into feinist dialogue, whih is theway that others insist on trying to categorise us…define our identity for us, rather than allow ussimply to “be”.
Like you, ane, i identify as female. I tend to resist saying i identify as “a woman” because that instantly sets off a certain sort of criticism from people who start claiming i can never be a”real woman”. I haven’ the faintest. I’m not claiming anything in order to upset others: i just do so because i fits with who and what i am.
I think there are issues between transsexual and LG on the one hand and transvestite on t’other..not necessarily of our own making: in respect of G, i honestly don’t believe i have a G instinct in my body, though I’m L if you count me as female.
I am therefore pretty pissed off to have to endure the pontification of psychological “experts” who keep trying to class me as a repressed Gay. FFS!
From the other side, i think the tv community is always going to be more visual and possibly even come in for a bit more public critique, because sexuality is far more overt: i therefore come in for abuse from less educated members of the public who see us all as “trannies”…and ascribe to each and every one of us some lowest common denomiator sexual motivation.
Why on earth would any transsexual person want to attend such a ghastly sham as the so called and ineptly named London Pride. I suggest it is renamed London Profit and Shame. As we all know the only T in LGBT is transgender, the blanket term applied to members of the trans scene NOT including transsexuals. By way of explanation, transgender means to flip flop between genders. Transsexual mean to change ones physical sex. I was born psychologically female ie my gender doesn’t and never has changed. I would be deeply offended to be scooped up under the horrible and misleading transgender banner. As a woman with a transsexual history I wish people would stop taking it upon themselves to deem to ‘speak for me’ at these sort of events. I am as individual and unique as any other woman and can fight my own battles thank very much. In a nutshell, there is no transsexual in LGBT!