I was interested in this comment:
““Bisexual people’s lives are not reflected in data collected from the LGBT community, because despite the listing of the B, the vast majority of bisexuals are not involved in the LGBT community because that community generally runs the gamut from ignoring bisexuals to being overtly hostile. ”
Proof for this statement please?
How does she know the reasons why bisexuals are not involved in the LGBT community.
She is placing the blame for the absence of B people squarely on the shoulders of the L & G people.
But her comments are mere speculation. One could equally argue that B people are not involved in the LGBT community because they are more likely to remain closetted about their sexuality out of convenience or cowardice.
Blaming gay and lesbian people for the invisibility of bi people is both lazy and unproductive.
There is a space for B people in the LGBT community but it is not the responsibility of the LGT people to ensure the bi’s are comfy.
They can and should be claiming their space, rather than whining about how mean the LG’s are.
““I have been in LGBT settings where, despite the fact that I made it clear I am bisexual, LGBT people have referred to me as an ‘ally’ (meaning a supportive, straight, non-queer person) because I am married to a man.”
She is clearly someone who is VERY easily offended.
Being referred to as an ‘ally’ is not an insult. It may not be entirely accurate but it’s certainly nicer than being called a ‘filthy faggot’ which is how most religions would view her.
She should shut her moaning – she’s getting two bites of the pie where most people only get one. LOL ;)
I believe there are a large number of men who like to be considered “straight” who under certain (often furtive) circumstances have sexual relations with other men. I have no figures to support this belief, it’s just based on my observation. These are not the sort of people who will reveal their bisexuality to researchers.In fact the percentage is probably impossible to quantify to any useful degree of accuracy.
The B`s are an integral part of the community. They are very welcome and should ignore any ignorant clods. The blame however for any feelings of exclusion should not fall on the LGT`s. Most B`s prefer to live straight lives as that is the easier option and for the most part they can get away with it. I as a gay man am only attracted to B`s or straight men. Personally on a social level I really don`t care if someone is LBT or straight. Neither do most gay people.
Maybe my experience is different from yours; but bisexuals do experience a great deal of ignoring from lg and s. The ignorance of the comments in here is staggering. I’m not bisexual, but as a person with bisexual friends I see it happen. One can’t get dates because women are afraid it’s just a stage/a ploy yo get men, one’s been accused of not being able to pick a side, some have been told they are ‘underserving of help’ because they can ‘simply love the opposite gender’. While it’s true that we will experience more homophobia because we can’t change our sexuality; it is also true that most bisexuals will be ignored by homosexuals. They’re not “allies”, they are one of us.
I hope this does mean we get more recognised though I don’t like the idea of numbers speaking for us. (Unless your part of the BNP) We don’t judge black people by statistics, rightfully for skin colour don’t affect your personality and bisexuals shouldn’t have their character judged on who they (without choice) have attractions for, just like homosexuals shouldn’t and well heterosexuals as well but I wouldn’t of said heterosexuals are judged for it (or I hope not anyway). This all said, if it brings us more recognition then all the better.
As someone who is openly bisexual, I have to agree with some of these statements. I’ve come across discrimination from both GL and straight people. For the GL communities, I’m not ‘gay enough’ and I’m too homosexual for the straight community to feel comfortable with me. I feel that there are a lot of misconceptions about bisexual people and I’m happy to see some solid research to help understand the lives of bi people.
The survey can be found at http://outandequal.org/bisexualsurvey
I have experienced reactions ranging from incomprehension to hostility, including being referred to as “just greedy” by lesbian, gay and straight people. I am fully out of the closet as a bisexual.
For those who say she has no evidence for her claim that the LGBT community excludes Bi’s – she has personal experience, as does every Bisexual. I have lost count of the times I have condescendingly been told that I’ll “come out properly one day” or that I’m simply “scared to come out as fully gay”. Or been rejected by gay men because of my sexuality. Or told that I’m simply “greedy”.
Biphobia within the LGT community is rampant – sure, there are many who aren’t, but sadly the negative voices (just as with the homophobes within the heterosexual community) are far more vocal and even spread their negative views to those who don’t personally know (or so they think) any bisexuals. I’ve met many people who have held the “greedy” and “scared to come out properly” viewpoints simply because that’s what others have told them who have reassessed their stance after chatting with me.
Surveys like this can only be useful in combating the prejudice many (straight and gay alike) hold towards bisexuality. As soon as I find it, I’ll be joining in with this survey.
Simon: She should shut her moaning – she’s getting two bites of the pie where most people only get one. LOL
That’s exactly the kind of biphobic nonsense she’s talking about. As long as people keep with bigoted crap like that then people will speak out against it.