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Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt’s child ‘wants to be a boy’

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  1. “Jolie is apparently not concerned by Shiloh’s clothing choices and added that she saw signs of herself in the four-year-old.”

    Why should she be concerned?

  2. Come on PinkNews! What the hell are you doing bothering with this ridiculous non-story, in this week of all weeks?! What a load of rubbish. Pitiful.

  3. Why has Pink News not opened the comments page on the article about Mr Gay UK and his trial for rape? If he were a victim of male rape the comments page would be flooded by now.

  4. Erroll Clements 29 Jun 2010, 3:16pm

    Maybe the child should grow up first then decide…………how the hell does a four year old know it is the wrong sex!!

  5. #3 I find the comments page is usually closed while there is an ongoing court case or a court case pending. Probably something to do with sub judicary thingy.

  6. Patrick, Pink News covered the story about the man who has been accused of raping a lesbian. That case is currently going thru’ the judiciary process.

  7. In term of brain development a child only become intellectually and emotionally aware of the difference between the sexes between the ages of five and six. It is possible for a child who is a early developer to feel some form of gender dysphoria at four years old.

    But this is Hollywood we are talking about, so its probably just another bandwagon for celebs to jump onto for some column inches.

  8. Is it true that David Cameron met the neo-fascist leader of the Polish Law and Justice Party in Poland yesterday? The same party which believes that acceptance of homosexuality will lead to the destruction of humanity.

    If to then why is Pink News running absurd stories about the dressing habits of a 4 year old child of an actress.

    Surely a meeting between a racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semite and his ally – the British Prime Minister is of far greater importance to the readership of this website.

    What were they discussing? What horrrible plans has the Polish neo-fascist got lined up for Polish queers? And does David Cameron even care?

    Time to work on your priorities Pink News

  9. If you have a story StephenC send it into PinkNews via the link at the bottom of the main page. Also maybe PinkNews has already got this story but is waiting for reaction to their questions from the main parties.

    Chill out a bit, not everything is a conspiracy!

  10. Ignacio….if you take the time to reread my post you will see i said “usually”, thus inferring “not always”

  11. > Angelina Jolie has said her four-year-old child Shiloh wants to
    > be a boy.
    > …
    > She said: “She wants to be a boy. So we had to cut her hair. She
    > likes to wear boys’ everything. She thinks she’s one of the
    > brothers.”
    > …
    > “She dresses like a little dude. It’s how people dress there.
    > She likes tracksuits, she likes [regular] suits.”
    > …
    > Last year, Pitt told Oprah Winfrey that Shiloh preferred to be
    > called John.
    >
    > “We’ve got to call her John,” he said, adding that the child
    > would interrupt when addressed as Shiloh.
    >
    > Child psychologists say wanting to be the opposite gender is
    > common in young children and most will grow up happy in the
    > gender they were born in.
    >
    > However, a small number are transgender and may eventually live
    > in the opposite gender they were born in as adults.

    Actually the standard version from psychologists is transphobic and often very harmful because it denies the core identity of transsexual children, is used to turn their families against them, increases persecution of them, and, by denying them timely hormonal intervention and forcing the irreversible damage of an inappropriate puberty, denies many male-to-female people any possibility of a decent life. Which makes it abusive, and not something PinkNews should promote.

    It is based on “research” which started in the church-based lab of hate-monger and hypocrite George W Reckers, who sees transsexual children as pre-homosexual and needing to be “repaired” and “made heterosexual”. He went on to be the lead advocate of anti-homosexual reparative therapy too.

    The work was picked up by others, not least Kenneth Zucker, who practises reparative therapy against transsexual, transgender and lesbian and gay children at his clinic in Toronto, the largest in North America. He claims (and his career is based upon it) that trying (with the required collaboration of their parents) to force children to behave in ways “appropriate” for their sex of birth (such as not using the “wrong” coloured crayons, whilst playing the “right” games, with friends of the “right” sex, whilst wearing the “correct” clothes) is diagnostic. Those who haven’t escaped or conformed by 12 he then allows to transition. Evidence is that they remain damaged by the experience.

    Mr Zucker, a psychologist, is the highly influential editor of ‘Archives of Sexual Behavior’ and chairs the American Psychiatric Association’s (APA) committee currently reviewing the Sexual and Gender Disorders section of the APA’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (from which homosexuality was removed, effectively, in 1974). Their recommendation is to continue to list transsexual children and adults as mentally ill, which would be necessary to continue his access to such children. His influence has been key in keeping us so listed previously.

    But the listing for children, which is used to sweep subjects into research studies worldwide, has been so crudely, and widely drawn that the vast majority have always been lesbian or gay (there is no requirement that there be any desire to be the other sex, only for behaviour that goes against old stereotypes). That inevitably (and one has to presume by design) leads to statistics that are then used to say that most transsexual children “change their minds”, in that they don’t transition, which PinkNews now repeats. But in truth they never had any wish to do so.

    Instead, as Prof Cohen-Kettenis, then head of the Dutch children’s gender clinic at Utrecht, was caught admitting on film in 1996 (‘The Decision’, Windfall Films for Channel Four), children who demand to have the body of the other sex never change their minds. That is the much more strict criteria she has used for years in deciding on hormonal intervention, and there have been, over many peer-reviewed, follow-up studies over many years, no regrets.

    As a representative of a group of women who were such children, in various countries, I can say that it is impossible for such a core matter of personal identity as knowing the body you need, and everything that follows from that, to ever change. For me it was very real and compelling even as a toddler, and just got stronger, even in the face of strong discouragement.

    Prof Ramachandran at UCSD seems to have demonstrated that transsexual people have neurological wiring (body maps) of the sex of their identity, which would be inborn and therefore present in children. There is massive, peer reviewed evidence that transsexual people have other aspects of their brains that match the sex of our identity instead of that of our birth. Research indicates strong connections with mutation on specific genes affecting hormones involved in fetal development. Different ones for males and females.

    No one has found any such evidence with transgender subjects, probably because transgender is not scientifically defined.

    Obviously Shiloh Jolie-Pitt is the one who knows the truth in this instance. The reports do not say if Shiloh demands a male body. But what has been reported goes to the gates of that. Repeatedly stating a wish to be a boy, “thinking she is one of the bothers”, requiring the use of a distinctly male name, insisting on boys’ clothes and boy’s hair is, together, beyond average “tomboy” preferences.

    The parents are apparently to be praised for not trying to suppress any of that, but using “her” to the media may be a problem. At some point parents have to decide if they accept a child’s self identity or seem to mock it. Pronouns, in the English language, are often what makes the difference. The sudden slap of disbelief that a wrong use of a pronoun indicates can cause huge anxiety and alienation. I wish them all luck.

    > The pair have spoken out for gay marriage before and Pitt
    > said last year that having a gay child wouldn’t bother him
    > “one bit”.

    More transphobia from PinkNews. A transsexual child is not gay.

    1. Trans Kenya 30 Jan 2012, 11:04am

      Was gonna say that!

  12. Brad Pitt, Shiloh’s father, does have some knowledge of transsexuality, having been executive producer on the 2008 made-for-television movie ‘Pretty/Handsome’ ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0871425/ ), which was originally intended to be a three series project, as reported by PinkNews at http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5262.html/ . although that was about a late transitioning male-to-female, and was co-written by Ryan Murphy (‘Glee’, ‘Nip and Tuck’) so was likely peppered with misinformation, it did include a portrayal of the lead character as a 5-year-old, played by Taylor Swift ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2916020/ ).

  13. Outraged:
    > In term of brain development a child only become
    > intellectually and emotionally aware of the difference between
    > the sexes between the ages of five and six. It is possible for a
    > child who is a early developer to feel some form of gender
    > dysphoria at four years old.

    I asked my mother at 30 months to ask doctors is they could make me grow up a woman. That age is not at all uncommon, as reported in first person television documentaries now widely available on the net.

    Psychologist had consistently, because of baseless but convenient theories, underestimated the capacities of infants. The journals have a constant succession of papers where careful experiments are proving understanding and abilities in the first and second years.

    Infamous Johns Hopkins psychologist John Money even had a theory, that was widely accepted and even formed the basis for genital surgery on intersax neonates, that gender was not formed until the second birthday and could therefore be reassigned at will up to then. When that was proved mistaken through tragic results he change to saying it was in the first year. It was nonsense; maternity nurses can usually tell the difference in behavior of male and female children only hours after birth, and that doesn’t change.

    But, to answer you most obviously; how could a child not be aware of its sex during potty training, which is before four? Its just, I imagine, that where there’s no conflict people don’t think about it.

  14. Put your tinfoil hat back on oatc and take your meds, cuz you need them dear.

  15. I wonder if they’d be as helpful & public about it if it was their son who wanted to grow their hair, wear a dress and have a girl’s name? I kind of doubt that somehow lol

  16. 40-60+ months

    During this period children are now building a stronger sense of their own identity, gender and their place in a wider world. Children are learning to recognise the importance of social rules and customs, to show understanding and tolerance of others, and to learn how to be more controlled in their own behaviour. Learning and playing in small groups helps to foster the development of social skills. Children now become better able to plan and undertake more challenging activities with a wider range of materials for making and doing. In this phase children learn effectively in shared activities with more able peers and adults. Literacy and problem solving, reasoning and numeracy skills continue to develop. Children’s developing understanding of cause and effect is encouraged by the introduction of a wider variety of equipment, media and technologies. Children will naturally split off into separate gender groups at this stage of development.

  17. Erroll Clements:
    > Maybe the child should grow up first then decide…………how the
    > hell does a four year old know it is the wrong sex!!

    Easy, since you ask. In my second year, after watchfully observing all the males in my extended family at a wedding reception I knew that the prospect of being large, hairy, smelly, strong, gruff voiced and dominant was sickening. That I didn’t want to be physically or socially like any of them (though they were all perfectly good, kindly, and quite diverse men). My feelings about the women and girls were the opposite. That was on top of an existing nagging feeling that the ugly and somehow embarrassing [words not allowed by PinkNews filter] on my body didn’t belong, visually or physically, and indeed that they felt “in the way” and I hated touching them, but I didn’t know how female bodies were, at that age.

    From that point I was consciously aware I had to be a woman, and would be one, or else dead, identified with women. I urgently figured out how to ask my mother to find out if, as seemed likely, doctors could make it that I grew like a girl, and asked her.

    Obviously I’m telling this in words I didn’t know at two, but the concepts were easy. Children watch all the time, and figure things out.

    My family had previously been aware that my behaviour was girlish – gentle, maternal, cooperative and domesticated – but my mother had reassured me their comments were “silly”.

    Unfortunately when I rejected all the boy gifts on my third birthday my mother lost her cool and threatened me with lifelong mental incarceration, but it didn’t stop much. I literally just didn’t talk about it. At six I read of sex change surgery and knew that there were others like me. I would have had it done right then but was forced to wait 19 more, awful and often terrifying years.

    I think that answers you, Erroll.

    Such children are now widely known (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utpam0IGYac and http://www.sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/stories/858237/my-secret-self ) and increasingly accepted, but still face huge prejudice, not least from those who also transition but don’t understand their condition until later – be it teens or sixties.

  18. Outraged says: “40-60+ months During this period children are now building a stronger sense of their own identity, gender and their place in a wider world.”

    Which clearly says sense of own gender already exists by 40 months. So thats not contradicting anyone who says gender is inborn, or that some are, as I reported, transsexual at 30 months.

    It completely contradiscts your own assertion:
    > In term of brain development a child only become
    > intellectually and emotionally aware of the difference between
    > the sexes between the ages of five and six. It is possible for a
    > child who is a early developer to feel some form of gender
    > dysphoria at four years old.

  19. The next thing Jolie will do is book that beautiful little girl in for a sex change!!!!!!!!!

  20. Outraged
    > 40-60+ months
    >
    > During this period children are now building a stronger sense of
    > their own identity, gender and their place in a wider world.
    > Children are learning to recognise the importance of social
    > rules and customs, to show understanding and tolerance of
    > others, and to learn how to be more controlled in their own
    > behaviour. Learning and playing in small groups helps to foster
    > the development of social skills. Children now become better
    > able to plan and undertake more challenging activities with a
    > wider range of materials for making and doing. In this phase
    > children learn effectively in shared activities with more able
    > peers and adults. Literacy and problem solving, reasoning and
    > numeracy skills continue to develop. Children’s developing
    > understanding of cause and effect is encouraged by the
    > introduction of a wider variety of equipment, media and
    > technologies. Children will naturally split off into separate
    > gender groups at this stage of development.

    I responded to and demolished your “quote” earlier, but I’ve been trying track down where you sourced it, and, frankly, I’m a little disturbed that what I seem to find is that you seem to have taken a section of the Department for Education’s National Strategies Child Development Overview ( http://nationalstrategies.standards.dcsf.gov.uk/node/83860 ) and popped in assorted invented references to gender, without getting the punctuation right.

    The original department document for the period during which I realised and stated my gender identity (30-36 months):

    | 22-36 months
    |
    | Children’s fine motor skills continue to develop and they enjoy
    | making marks, using a variety of materials, looking at picture
    | books and listening to stories, important steps in literacy.
    | Self-help and independence soon emerge if adults support and
    | encourage children in areas such as eating, dressing and
    | toileting. Praise for new achievements helps to build their
    | self-esteem. In this phase, children’s language is developing
    | rapidly and many are beginning to put sentences together.
    | Joining in conversations with children is an important way for
    | children to learn new things and to begin to think about past,
    | present and future. Developing physical skills mean that
    | children can now usually walk, climb and run, and join in active
    | play with other children. This is an important time for learning
    | about dangers and safe limits.
    |
    | 30-50 months
    |
    | An increased interest in joint play such as make-believe,
    | construction and games helps children to learn the important
    | social skills of sharing and cooperating. Children also learn
    | more about helping adults in everyday activities and finding a
    | balance between independence and complying with the wishes of
    | others. Children still need the comfort and security of special
    | people. Close, warm relationships with carers form the basis for
    | much learning, such as encouraging children to make healthy
    | choices in food and exercise. At this stage children are
    | becoming more aware of their place in a community. Literacy and
    | numeracy can develop rapidly with the support of a wide range of
    | interesting materials and activities. Children’s language is now
    | much more complex, as many become adept at using longer
    | sentences. Conversations with adults become a more important
    | source of information, guidance and reassurance.

    You will see that they say children are conversing and thinking about the future during the period up to 36 months, and are utilising make-believe, making choices, becoming aware of their place in the community, and having complex conversations with adults, in the overlapping 30-50 month period. All those completely fit with the narrative I unfolded. Make believe is crucial because its imagining alternatives and how they relate to reality, in the present and the future.

    I sought a breadth of information on my possible futures, imagined them, and realised that the one that was likely to happen naturally was unsuitable. So I imagined how to bring about the alternative and, balancing between independence and complying with parental wishes, planned a simple conversation to try to make the difference.

    The page you borrowed from makes clear all that is normally within the capabilities of children before 50 months (4 years and 2 months). Before most start school.

    They don’t mention gender but no one could surely think that children’s ideas of the future are blind to being men or women? Why else would girls of that age play with dolls and prams? Or boys play roles associated with men in games?

  21. WENZ:
    > The next thing Jolie will do is book that beautiful little girl in for a
    > sex change!!!!!!!!!

    Ms Bindell, I presume?

    As a wild guess I would think the next thing would be to enrol the child (who prefers to be called John) in school. Given the preference for a boy’s name, and boys clothes, and being seen as one of the boys, transition is already under way. “Sex change”, meaning changing genitalia, is something for the teen years though, if the individual really, really insists. No one “takes someone in” for it.

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