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Midwestern magazine ‘outs’ Lutheran pastor

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  1. Good for them.

    Lookat this sentence:

    “Pastor Brock, who made headlines last year when he famously linked a tornado that hit Minneapolis to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA)’s decision to accept gay relationships and ordain gay ministers who were in monogamous relationships.”

    He deserved to be outed.

    People are fully entitled to remain closeted. Until of course they start campaigning to reduce the rights of other LGBT people.

    Once they start doing this then they surrender their ‘right’ to remain closeted.

  2. “…struggling with chastity”. Don’t they really mean worshipping at the gloryhole.

  3. “…Pastor Brock, who made headlines last year when he famously linked a tornado that hit Minneapolis to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA)’s decision to accept gay relationships and ordain gay ministers who were in monogamous relationships.”

    The investigation is not unethical.

    The motto of the Order of the Garter is Honi soit qui mal y pense (‘Evil to him who evil thinks’). Or what goes round comes round.

  4. I think this was probably an outing too far. My attitude to outing is more or less St Augustine’s to war – it is justifiable only in extremely limited circumstances. If Brock is condemning homosexuality and ‘striving to overcome’ his own, he cannot reasonably be called a hypocrite and should not be outed. He should be resisted by other means, such as the usual public campaigning. If he is publicly condemning homosexuality and spouting the familiar religious garbage about natural phenomena being caused by gay sex (remember Anita Bryant in the 70s? She blamed us for a failed orange crop in Florida) – and shagging blokes, then he is fair game.

  5. wolfeyesmn 24 Jun 2010, 1:51pm

    If God directed the lightening bolt to the steeple of Central Lutheran Church during the vote to accept gays in the ministry, then God directed John Townsend to the support group to out Pastor Brock for making such a hateful statement. You go, John! You are my hero. Signed: A Fellow Minneapolitan

  6. I don’t think others need to be too concerned, others in support groups I mean. The reason the confidentiality was broken in this case is simply because the guy is a raving fire-and-brimstone hypocrite of the highest order by comparing the suffering of many in a totally bizarre way.

    It is certainly arguably unethical, but compared the the unethical statement by this hypocritical pastor its nothing. Seems to be a good example of a case where right & wrong are muddied, and instead its a case of more right vs. more wrong.

  7. Tony Konrath 24 Jun 2010, 2:49pm

    Yes, of course it’s unethical – but to cosset your conscience when young people are being driven to suicide by the preaching of this type of person is an extravagance.

  8. darkmoonman 24 Jun 2010, 3:33pm

    I was set to consider that outing had gone too far when I read the part about Pastor Brock being in the group while being publicly vocally anti-gay. Hypocrisy always deserves exposure.

  9. I believe they had every right to publish this story.

    Looks like he has been caught up in a tornado of his own making.

  10. If he has made homophobic remarks in public then it is right that he be outed.People are surely entitled to keep their sexuality a private matter if they wish,they relinquish that right if they are hypocrites however.

  11. de Villiers 24 Jun 2010, 9:12pm

    I think that a person’s right to privacy does is not weakened by their being Christian, religious or hypocritical.

  12. de Villiers 24 Jun 2010, 9:13pm

    I think that a person’s right to privacy is not weakened by their being Christian, religious or hypocritical.

  13. Mihangel apYrs 25 Jun 2010, 8:34am

    Much as it sticks in my throat, I feel that support groups that offer and promise confidentiality should be safe places, even for bigots. They’re the places where one can let down defences, talk openly, hopefully improve. By making them “unsafe” their raison d’etre is gone.

    If Brock had been behaving contrary to his expounded faith, i.e. hypocritically, then crucify him. If he was found in bed with a hooker, or cruising link up sites, he’s fair game; in a support circle where (pathetically) he’s trying to cure himself of “teh ghey”, pointless though it is, he’s trying to live by his declared lights.

    What this exposure has done is make it less safe to use these groups. What next – infiltrate the Samaritans and then start trawling the files?

  14. I agree that people should not be outed but when they are quite clearly hypocrits its quite acceptable AND when they are crazy enough to say LGBT people cause earthquakes/floods/tornados they are quite obvioulsy MAD!!

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