What about catching a different bus?
Or taking it up the Gary Glitter? :)
Thankfully, this clapped out Jock is going soon.
“Tory justice spokesman Bill Aitken MSP told the Daily Telegraph the guide was “nonsense” and attacked Lothian and Borders Police for spending money on it.”
Well what else do you expect from a party as homophobic as the Tories.
Thank goodness the LibDems are in power with them. I can only imagine how vile the country would be if the Law and Justice Party (aka the Tories) were left to their own homophobic devices.
Pfft Martin, if the Tories decided to make Judy Garland’s birthday a bank holiday you’d probably still have a reason to gripe. Get over it, the Tories are thus far this time round proving a wee bit more honest than the Lib Dems.
I wonder how straights would feel if we used the same terminology to describe their sexual orientation and preferences? There’s a word used in America, a derogatory one at that in referring to straights. Its called “breeders”. I don’t think they’d care much if we resorted to that kind of thing. The double-standards in our society are mind-boggling. What is so right about straights, why should they be immune to slurs for a change?
This Bill Aitken character has a history of attacking any measures relating to equal treatment of gay people as ‘political correctness gone mad.
1. He believes that the Scottish police hanging a rainbow flag during gay pride as a waste of money and ‘political correctness gone mad (July 2009)
2. In April 2009 he also attacked a police diversity guide as a waste of money and ‘political correctness gone mad”. He believes that 99.9% of people don’t care about diversity:
3. He accused the DVLA of ‘political correctness’ for banning a car registration which read “H8 GAY”
What is his problem?
He appears to be vile, nasty bigot.
Whether he is a genuine bigot or not it’s debateable.
But he NEVER fails to attack any measures involving equal treatment of gay people.
Perhaps it’s just opportunism as he knows how homophobic rank and file Tories are and how easy it is to appeal to their bigotry.
Either way this Bill Aitken character is a disgrace.
I think he should be sacked from the Tories. David Cameron pretends to support equality.
Why is a homophobe like Bill Aitken allowed to remain in the Tories if they believe in equality?
The BNP is a more suitable party for him.
After 13 years of the Liebour thought police exercising their insidious stasi like powers of language control one would have thought it was already perfectly obvious that the police consider offending minorities of any descpription a far more serious crime than even murder.
They surely don’t need to spend more cash we don’t have on a booklet explaining why not offending hom-boys (my preferred word) is much more important than catching muggers.
‘A woman with lesbian tendencies’?
What, as if someone with the right dick can sway her from being involved with only women? Like she can be FIXED? God, that pisses me off to even know that it was acceptable in the first place!
Re;”What, as if someone with the right dick can sway her” or “someone with the right sway of the dick”.
That’s the link to the story about the license plates.
What is Bill Aitken’s problem?
He needs to be monitored as his history of homophobia (cuningly disguised as concern about ‘political correctness gone mad’) is worrying.
He only seems to be worried about political correctness when it comes to gay people.
Is this guy an evangelical christian I wonder?
is he fit for public office?
“After 13 years of the Liebour thought police exercising their insidious stasi like powers of language control one would have thought it was already perfectly obvious that the police consider offending minorities of any descpription a far more serious crime than even murder.”
And yet that bigot Bill Aitken is only concerned about political correctness when it comes to treating gay people equally.
This story is more interesting because this Aitken character is involved.
I suspect he’s an extremist bigot like Philippa Stroud.
Can any Scottish readers give us the lowdown on this Aitken individual?
Should we be alarmed?
Should we be seeking to have him sacked from the Tories if he is an extremist homophobe?
I think a reminder of the policy via e-mail would have sorted the education reminder and cost nothing to do as no paper booklets involved.
Maybe we can be politically correct for free
actually, I hate being called ‘love’ by total strangers in shops. It’s really patronising.
Dave – the cost of printing these booklets is a red herring.
The cost will be miniscule.
It is being raised by Bill Aitken who attacks any measures relating to equal treatment of gay people as ‘political correctness gone mad’
Remember he is ONLY concerned about political correctness when it relates to gay people.
he has no issue with ‘political correctness’ for other minority groups.
I think Bill Aitken is a homophobe who is hiding behind ‘political correctness’ to disguise his bigotry.
Remember that he is a Tory. And remember how the Tories have been homophobic scum for generations.
Just because ‘Call me Dave’ claims to be inclusive does not mean his party is the same.
The booklet seems to be common sense and a great idea. If people truly do not realise thse terms are offensive or demeaning (and that includes referring to women as “dear”) then it is a good idea to educate them so they can avoid causing offence when they do not intend to do so.
It will also make policing easier – especially since so many marginalised people regard the police with hostility (For damn good reason)
I am well aware of that fact which is why removing the crutch of the cost exposes his bigotry, just as any post you make exposes your anti Tory bigotry.
I believe people can change and if they make commitments to change I am willing to help them along the road while still holding them to account.
You however seem to want to throw it all in their face at every opportunity. The level of nasty, vitriolic, raw bigotry that you seem capable of is far worse than anything I heard since Iris went into treatment.
I do not need a lecture from you on political history and the continued anti Tory barracking and attempts to swamp the boards with your rhetoric simply make you sound like an obsessed individual with complete hatred and disdain for anyone who dares to have an opinion which differs from you.
Before you choke on your indignation please note that flaming back at me will have no effect, I will either ignore it, laugh at it or write a witty reply.
I’m off for a pint xxx
No 18: Dave: “You however seem to want to throw it all in their face at every opportunity.”
No I don’t.
I ONLY throw it in their face every time they behave in a bigotted manner.
This Bill Aitken person has a serious problem with gay people as is evidenced by his continual bashing of measures designed to protect gay people. Click on the 3 links I posted which details 3 separate occasisions over the last year where Aitken verbally bashes measures designed to protect gay people.
However he has no issue with other minority groups.
I am not bigotted against the Tories.
But I can only go by their own behaviour.
David Cameron claims to support equality.
So why is that nasty, vicious bigot Bill Aitken still ranting about how protecting gay people from abuse and discrimination is ‘political correctness gone wild’ (when he never engages in similar speech against other minority groups)
Thanks to their (very recent) of homophobic hatemongering we cannot relax when it comes to the Tories.
Especially when hateful relics from the 1950′s like Bill Aitken is still verbally bashing us every chance he gets and the likes of YOU are asking us to ignore it.
I just think Bill Aitken should come out about his homophobia and join the BNP. He is closer to their view of gay people than David Cameron’s view.
“Well what else do you expect from a party as homophobic as the Tories.”
Martin (Simon), perhaps the Tories have an expectation that those serving in the police force should have the commonsense to know that using derogatory and/or patronising terms in front of members of the public isn’t the most professional way to conducted themselves. One would after all expect that the police have sufficient powers of deduction to work this out for themselves.
“The cost will be miniscule”
As to to the cost, I am not aware of the exact cost of this, but personally I would rather than individual officers using inappropriate language were spoken one to one rather than a broad brush approach, telling hundreds of officers what they probably know already.
If you’re expecting the nanny state to continue for the current parliamentary term, I think you’re going to be sorely disappointed. It has got us nowhere and we cannot afford it.
Incidentally Martin (Simon) what was the cost of publishing the booklets (research, design and printing)?
Personally I’m not particularly worried by endearments – even if fairly stale – like ‘dear’ or ‘love’, but I do object most strongly to being categorised as one of The Gays.
As I pointed out (without much success) to a [Jewish female] friend of mine recently, if you substitute the word ‘Jew’ or ‘black’ for ‘gay’ and feel uncomfortable, you shouldn’t use it in that way in the first place.
“bat for the other team” ? “cripple” ? “spastic” ?
Oh dear i would have thought those terms and phases haven’t been used for a long time, if they’re still being used then there’s some serious PC training required, i do wonder as the the value of a booklet!!
I realy dont understand what the big deal is. In most parts of the UK like the north for example using words like dear are simply words used to express affection or civility to someone and people say ‘he bats for the other team’ all the time its just a freaking expression its not like they are saying a slur with the INTENT to be cruel. People realy need to stop being so sensitive nowerdays, and to be perfectly honest telling people what words they can use like this will do little for equolity but instead make many people think “oh for goodness sake the PC wagon again” and create more friction that stop it.
@20″If you’re expecting the nanny state to continue for the current parliamentary term, I think you’re going to be sorely disappointed. It has got us nowhere and we cannot afford it.” Surely this should read: ”
If you’re expecting the coalition, especially now that Nanny has visited No.10, to continue for the current parliamentary term I think you’re going to be sorely disappointed. It will get us nowhere and we can’t afford it”.
What a total waste of time, paper and more importantly public money. How often does this booklet have to keep being updated, what other phrases , words are going to have to be added to keep everyone happy. What total overkill, is the booklet now going to have to be handed down to every other public official and private organisation. I agree what nonsense, if a phrase offens me then I’ll tell the person so or tell his suprior, we don’t need silly labout booklets….
Sillybilly, I think you’ll find I wouldn’t be in the slightest disappointed. A second General Election would likely see a clear Conservative majority, as the Lib Dems cannot finance another election campaign so soon after the previous one, and just as they virtually bankrupted the country, the Labour Party have all but bankrupted themselves.
That said, the Lib Dems don’t seem to be doing too bad in government so far – certainly more integrity than the last government anyway.
It never ceases to amaze me how such a non-story can get so out of control. This booklet was produced in 2004 as part of Diversity training within Lothian and Borders. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, it’s old news, if news at all. As for Bill Aitken, the comments above say it all.