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Grayson Perry estimates at least one MP is a cross-dresser

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  1. I think that must be Ann Widdecombe who is the cross dresser :)
    gav

  2. thetoblerone 4 Jun 2010, 1:59pm

    to “expect” that “at least one” MP is a cross dresser isn’t really much of an “estimate”, is it? Shouldn’t he stick to that high-art activity of making pots and ashtrays and leave the “estimate” game to others?

  3. LOL. Great estimations!

  4. pete the meat 4 Jun 2010, 3:38pm

    FFS. Is this all he has to say? About anything? A meaningless empty sound byte by a one trick artist. And anyhow, so what if some MP cross dresses? Sheesh, must be a slow day for news.

  5. Jess Conrad 4 Jun 2010, 4:55pm

    Oh No…NOT sleazy politicans!

  6. I’m disappointed that there isn’t at least one MP in the House of Commons who is openly trans. I thought the whole idea in a democracy was for the governers to fully reflect those whom they govern.

    With that in mind, how does this stand up against the maxim of ‘no taxation without representation’? Ah, they don’t care if we’re trans or not when they’re taking our money, eh?;)

  7. But I thought the gay MPs were open, aren’t we told they already flaunt themselves in VIP lounges in Heaven throwing themselves at students, some even get pissed in dinner paries and boast of their gay conquests, most are know around village of Westminster and whispers are heard in the editorial staff. Apart from the public everyone else knows they are gay…. But I guess we’re not that important are we, we’re not actually part of the elite gay clic of parliament… Ah well, we’ll just have to wait for the juicy news from other papers…

  8. @7, But Ted, Grayson Perry isn’t gay is he? So it’s probably a heterosexual MP who’s a cross dresser innit!
    Personally I think Grayson Perry’s dresses/otfits are much more successful than his decorated pots and other art pieces.

  9. Correction to post above “otfits” whould have read “outfits”

  10. chances are theres at least one. closetted crossdressers are usually the most straight of them all so itll be funny if their ever outed.

  11. But is it moral to out trans people? I guess if they’re straight it is?

  12. Perry’s got a point here. Statistically speaking, there is probably at least one cross-dresser and/or transgender MP in parliament (whilst there are no absolutely reliable figures, various articles etc… seem to suggest that about 1 in 50 men are crossdressers). But, chances are, they are probably in the closet about it. Whilst there have been great strides in LGB rights, rights and public acceptance for transgender people still have a very long way to go.

    Yes, a lot of closet cross-dressers are straight (probably about 90% of them) – this is because gender identity is completely separate from sexuality. So there is just as much chance of a cross-dresser being straight as there is of a non- crossdresser being straight. And, no, it is not right or funny to “out” them about about it. Before anyone asks me, I am bisexual and transgender (so, probably the exception to the rule).

    There are stil a lot of misconceptions about cross-dressers and very few “out” crossdressers in the media (the only two examples I can think of are Eddie Izzard and Grayson Perry). It is an inborn characteristic (which in the case of crossdressers often surfaces around adolescence and in the case of other transgender people probably surfaces much earlier than this) and whilst a person may hide or try to suppress it, it is still a part of who they are as much as being left-handed or having brown eyes.

  13. I suppose Michael/Michelle Fabricant could also be considered a contender, but I don’t know if he/she go back in. He/She has a lovely selection of wigs that used to rival the Speaker’s in days gone by.

  14. Ted,
    itd be ‘funny’ because most crossdressers are extemly masculine straight men. its irony in action. thats why itd be funny. im not suggesting someone should be forcibly outted just for being a crossdresser, just that if it happened the chances are itd be quite funny to see who it is.

    if however any mps are crossdressers and they are supporting laws or causes that make life harder for other crossdressers or other trans people then they deserve to be outted. and fast.

  15. Xania:
    > itd be ‘funny’ because most crossdressers are extemly
    > masculine straight men. its irony in action. thats why itd be
    > funny. im not suggesting someone should be forcibly outted just
    > for being a crossdresser, just that if it happened the chances
    > are itd be quite funny to see who it is.

    That sounds like the old, primitive, laughing at the freaks.

    Xania:
    > if however any mps are crossdressers and they are supporting
    > laws or causes that make life harder for other crossdressers or
    > other trans people then they deserve to be outted. and fast.

    Oh come off it, no one can agree who is “trans”, and even by the most conservative definitions, trans people are stabbing other trans people in the back all the time, even if just by pushing their own agenda and disregarding others. Trans people are often some of the most transphobic around, second only in hypocrisy to the self-hating lesbians and gays who persecute others. You gonna out them all on some imaginary ethical notion? That’s almost the same as those doing persecution because of the “word” of some imagined deity.

  16. Chris:
    > There are stil a lot of misconceptions about cross-dressers
    > … It is an inborn characteristic (which in the case of
    > crossdressers often surfaces around adolescence and in the case
    > of other transgender people probably surfaces much earlier than
    > this) and whilst a person may hide or try to suppress it, it is
    > still a part of who they are as much as being left-handed or
    > having brown eyes.”

    There is absolutely no a single piece of evidence to that. Cross dressing in the manner of most of the members Beaumont Society, or Tri-Ess in the USA, is a phenomenon of societies where men believe they can only be really men if they are masculine – its unknown in the cultures of south-east Asia and the Pacific, so obviously cannot be inborn, in contrast to transsexuality and homosexuality. They cross dress to give themselves permission to “express the feminine” that they themselves have decided (or have been taught) is not acceptable whilst dressed as a man – behaviour that others would see no problem with, such as expressing emotions, being sexually receptive, or being creative, reading poetry, painting, etc. – usually giving their “femme self” a different name and referring to “her” as a different person. Thy identify strongly as male and have no wish to change that.

    Their only commonality with those who need to be a sex other than that recorded at birth, or to live their lives as another gender without changing sex, is that they are liable to be discriminated against for not wholly complying with stereotypically gendered behaviour, so they share legal protection against such discrimination. But that doesn’t at all mean the causes are the same.

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