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Sun poll asks ‘Should gay people be Cabinet ministers?’

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  1. The poll was inappropriate, but the results are pretty damn positive. ‘I don’t mind’ is exactly the right response. Sexuality has no bearing on the ability to be a cabinet minister and people *shouldn’t* mind. I’m actually really pleasantly surprised by the Sun readership on this one. The newspaper itself, however, is unfit for usage as toilet paper.

  2. Typical of The Sun to use ‘them and us’ tactics on a poll. I would have expected this kind of poll in the 70’s or even 80’s but in the 21st century, I don’t think so.

    Whilst the results are indeed very positive I have to question the need in the first place! The poll itself proves it is not needed.

  3. The results are good but it is absolutely disgusting that the Sun even ASKED this question.

    I’ve made a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission as this ‘poll’ is in clear breach of Clause 12 of the Editor’s Code which reads:

    “12
    Discrimination
    i) The press must avoid prejudicial or pejorative reference to an individual’s race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or to any physical or mental illness or disability.”

    Asking ‘Should Gay people be cabinet ministers?’ is no different from asking ‘Should black people be cabinet ministers?’

    It encourages discriminatory beliefs by legitising homophobia.

    Make a complaint to the PCC.

    The Sun has not learned from the Daily Mail’s homophobia and they must be investigated for their legitimisation of bigotry.

    You can complain about the story here:

    http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/form.html

  4. The PCC is owned and run by the newspapers or ex newspaper editors themselves. Watch the documentary “starsuckers” for insight into this. Most complaints fall on deaf ears.

  5. MartinM

    Thanks for adding this information and the link to the pcc. I draft a response this morning.

    JohnK

  6. The Grinch 2 Jun 2010, 12:25pm

    Recently I met a lovely chap. Problem is I have to introduce him to my family at some stage. My mother is a recovering crack addict, my sister is a lesbian stripper, my older brother works for the Inland Revenue and my Uncle is a Cabinet Minister. Problem is, how am I going to explain my Uncle?

  7. No 4: Nuriboy: “The PCC is owned and run by the newspapers or ex newspaper editors themselves. Watch the documentary “starsuckers” for insight into this. Most complaints fall on deaf ears. ”

    I know this.

    but as a result of the Jan Moir / Daily Heil article about Stephen Gately the PCC exposed itself as the spineless, useless, toothless organisation that it is.

    They need to be bombarded with complaints every time the press engages in homophobia.

    Eventually the press will improve its despicable behaviour. Alternatively the PCC will be abolished and replaced with an independent, regulatory body.

  8. The Sun is still homophobic, on quite a few occasions iv noticed they use speech marks on the words boyfriend or partner when a gay story line appears

  9. PinkNews should do a YouGov poll on is the sun newspaper fact or fiction!

    Or is Rupert Murdock and his associated companies a parasite feeding from the arse of the country/world.

  10. Should the staff who ‘work’ at the Sun be allowed to walk in the streets unharmed? click yes of no

  11. If any of you have sky remember that your funding murdoch thats why i would never have it in my house

  12. Typical right wing Sun scumbags, one of the yellow “journalism” rags that tarsnishes the image of British journalism around the world. Even the BBC’s prestige has plummeted since that disgusting execution of gays debacle some time ago. This is nothing more than an exercise in homophobia of the worst kind. I wouldn’t mind betting that the Sun is a favourite of the BNP.

  13. Unbelievable. Not only is the question homophobic, it’s about as relevant as asking ‘Should people with brown hair be cabinet ministers.” If the Sun had asked me their pathetic sh*t-stirring little question, my response would have been a lot stronger than “I don’t mind”! What a nasty, offensive poll.

  14. pete the meat 2 Jun 2010, 1:30pm

    And this was in the Sun you say?

  15. I’m sort of surprised the poll wasn’t “Should gays be called people”

  16. marjangles 2 Jun 2010, 1:42pm

    It’s a stupid question anyway, given that they meant to ask whether or not gay people should be allowed in the cabinet what they actually asked was whether all gay people should in fact sit in the cabinet.

  17. The Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the same man who owns the notoriously crap FOX news in the USA. Consequently the same piss poor journalistic style is employed and this results in the halfwits who work there churning out this kind of garbage in order to fill the page.

    It’s best to keep The Sun for ‘special’ use only – wiping your arse when caught short on a camping trip or lining the bottom of the budgies cage.

    failing that, if you want to engage, write in and ask them to run a poll “Should the morons who write this paper be allowed to work as journalists?”

  18. Don’t ya just love The Scum? Can you imagine the look on the morons who work for it’s faces when they didn’t get the result that they wanted and hoped for?

    Funny when ‘straight’ people were claiming our money for their ‘partners’ The Scum didn’t commission a poll asking if they should be in cabinate. I wonder why?

  19. Reminder:

    Everyone should make a a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission as this ‘poll’ is in clear breach of Clause 12 of the Editor’s Code which reads:

    “12
    Discrimination
    i) The press must avoid prejudicial or pejorative reference to an individual’s race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or to any physical or mental illness or disability.”

    Asking ‘Should Gay people be cabinet ministers?’ is no different from asking ‘Should black people be cabinet ministers?’

    It encourages discriminatory beliefs by legitimising homophobia. By asking this question the Sun is stating that homophobic discrimination is acceptable.

    Make a complaint to the PCC here.

    http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/form.html

  20. So will YouGov conduct a poll on any question at all, provided it’s paid for?

    They’re as scummy as the Scum itself.

    The one person who may take most notice of the result is Mr Laws. What a silly sausage he’s been, kamikazying his career on a point no gives a halfpence about.

  21. Patrick James 2 Jun 2010, 4:04pm

    Nick writes:

    The Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the same man who owns the notoriously crap FOX news in the USA.

    He also now has a huge stake in the running of the UK.

    Cameron can’t do very much without Murdoch’s approval.

    There was a very good reason for Murdoch’s support for Cameron in all of his papers. Murdoch wants Cameron to reduce the powers of Ofcom, the body that regulates broadcasting. Murdoch also wants Cameron to undermine the BBC.

    This is so that Murdoch can replicate the very biased “news reporting” that he is fond of in broadcasting in the UK and remove his primary competitor the BBC.

  22. Patrick James 2 Jun 2010, 4:42pm

    The Sun’s question is of course ridiculous and demonstrates the outlook of the Sun.

    The question to ask, however, is not “should gay people be cabinets ministers?” but “why are there no LGBT cabinet ministers?”

    Nick Herbert and Alan Duncan both prostituted themselves in a way that was quite disgusting.

    They white-washed the gross homophobic Law and Justice Party in Poland. The lives of LGBT Poles have no place in the plans of Nick and Alan.

    Nick and Alan either white-washed or kept silent as the Conservative party opposed LGBT rights reforms in the House of Lords and in the wash-up period at the end of the last parliament.

    But despite all this hard work of Nick and Alan, so happy to trample over the considerations of the poorest and most vulnerable of LGBT people in eastern europe, neither Nick nor Alan are cabinet ministers.

    I suspect a big problem for Nick and Alan is that Murdoch personally, doesn’t like LGBT cabinet ministers. Obviously this is a hunch as I don’t know Murdoch :), but over the years Murdoch has been so hard on any LGBT people in government. The infamous 1998 “Gay Mafia” piece in the Sun is was the biggest attacks by the Sun on LGBT people in government, but that article was preceded by many critical of LGBT people in various ways, and hugely cool towards the idea of LGBT people being in government.

  23. If you make a complaint to the press complaint commission about this homophobic article then don’t forget that you need to include the link to the offending, homophobic article.

    it is here:

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2994619/Laws-exit-wont-wreck-coalition-says-Sun-poll.html

    Everyone should make a a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission as this ‘poll’ is in clear breach of Clause 12 of the Editor’s Code which reads:

    “12
    Discrimination
    i) The press must avoid prejudicial or pejorative reference to an individual’s race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or to any physical or mental illness or disability.”

    Asking ‘Should Gay people be cabinet ministers?’ is no different from asking ‘Should black people be cabinet ministers?’

    It encourages discriminatory beliefs by legitimising homophobia. By asking this question the Sun is stating that homophobic discrimination is acceptable.

    Make a complaint to the PCC here.

    http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/form.html

  24. ‘Should gay people be Cabinet ministers?’

    WTF? Shouldn’t that be “Can Sun readers actually read?”

    Where do these people think they are living, Iran?

  25. Dominick J. 2 Jun 2010, 6:30pm

    I agree with you 100% BenB & MartinM. The poll was inappropriate. Even though we were happy with the results it was still NOT appropriate… Talk about your everyday Nimrod!

  26. I wonder why the Sun didn’t falsify the results? As they stand, they make the paper look pretty silly, and economy with the verité is a tactic often enough employed by this rag. Is it a (partly) reformed character?

  27. de Villiers 2 Jun 2010, 6:59pm

    MartinM, that is very helpful, thank you. It is disgraceful that a newspaper should consider it a socially debatable and open question as to whether gay persons should be able to serve in executive government.

  28. I think the “I don’t mind” answer was a pretty fitting one, like others stated, sexuality should have no bearing on what kinda political leverage you got. When you are in politics, you should NOT be in there solely based on who you have sex with, what you gender is, what your skin color is or what your religion is, all those things are rather pointless in the political field, it should always be what you aim to accomplish and how you will (hopefully) help your country over all.

  29. Commander Thor 2 Jun 2010, 7:42pm

    Should catholic priests be allowed to work with children?

  30. Don’t buy The Sun!

  31. Matt: “Don’t buy The Sun!”
    Like I ever did. I wouldn’t wipe my arse with that rag.

    de Villiers: “MartinM, that is very helpful, thank you.”
    Helpful though it may be, is it quite necessary to post that massive, opinionated rant three times on the one board?

    Very poor netiquette.

  32. Terrible of them to even ask such a question, but are we really surprised? I suspect not. They Sun’s hacks are to blame for asking the question and the editors to blame for allowing its publication. However, those who buy the paper are equally as much to blame for feeding this toilet rag, just as Daily Mail readers are to blame for helping pay Jan Moir’s salary.

    A boycott would therefore be the best action in protest, if you don’t hurt them in the pocket they don’t give a damm. Money and greed are the only things these egotistical hacks understand. “Real” journalists can’t stand them either, no surprise, given how they drag the name of journalism well & truly into the gutter.

  33. Kelly Gibson 3 Jun 2010, 10:13pm

    This is disgraceful, what century are we living in? The Sun is a typical example of outdated and hopefully, disproportionate views. Once again an example of headline-grabbing comments without any substantial basis and the reason some people, thankfully the minority, in this country have such biased views, whats said in the papers is fact and deserves not to be questionned!?!Unfortunately media such as the Sun, of which the journalists apparently have some form of educaion, make such provocational comments and sensationalise topics without thought or an objective viewpoint. Once again, I think this is a shocking question to even ask in the year 2010 and the exact reason why I do not, have never and will never buy the Sun.

  34. Har Davids 3 Jun 2010, 10:50pm

    A better poll would have been: ‘Should religious people be Cabinet ministers?’. After all, is it safe to give someone with delusions such a high-profile job?

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