I’m straight, but support gay rights. However, as a moroccan living in europe, I am no little concerned for the people behind the magazine. It takes a lot of courage to do what they did there, because quite frankly, even though everyone knows a gay person in his entourage, it is an issue that is NEVER discussed in public. Since there is a seeming consensus to act as if homosexuality does exist in the rest of the world but not in Morocco, I am worried that extremists will seize on the opportunity to gain more influence by denouncing the magazine. And by extremists I mean islamists, not conservative muslims (those you can carry on a discussion with).
Hardly Chakir. The problem actually comes from YOU and people like you, blame the Muslims if you must, but it is YOU who is refusing to stand up for gay rights. The government is shaped by the people who are under it, Dmitry Medvedev is not “king” as it were.
Congratulations Kif Kif.
I am very proud of you.
Here’s a link to Mithly:
What is commentator “Mithos” on about? Geez. Thanks Chakir, for supporting us! :) If many people in Morocco actaully know gays, then it should be easier to achieve acceptance once the taboo of actually talking about it is broken.
I can see where Mithos is coming from. Chakir – the just thing to do is to stnd up and show solidarity. If you want to appease and capitulate to the fanatics, well why stop at gays? why not shut all the bars and discotheques down too? and for that matter, stone unveiled women to death too. or throw acid in the faces of school girls. there will be no end of appeasing to do, once you’ve given in at the first hurdle.
the guilty parties are those who instigate attacks, and those who allow them to happen, or will turn on the victims and side with religious bullies just for the sake of an easy life…. not those who provoke them.
Congratulations to everyone behind Mithly. Keep up the fight – and keep annoying Chakir :-)
I am a straight moroccan living in France, I have some friends here that are homosexual, we are in good relations, never had any problems. In my country, Morocco, there is a very low percentage of homosexuality compared to what I see in Europe, but we have a high rate of homosexual prostitution. I don’t know, Jean Paul, if you are moroccan (you say supporting us means you are part of the mitly movement) but if you appear not to be a moroccan I would understand why you are supporting that organisation. I’ve known guys, when I was still living in Morocco that would sell their bodies to 60 years old europeans for money, if those are the guys you support the cause then I know the level of your organisation.
As I said I am in good relations with homosexual people, and the day I will really see a homosexual in my country that is not doing it only for money coming from europeans then I could understand that he claims some rights, but until then I will stay against such movements… I am against any kind of prostitution, especially that it mainly touches youths of my country (I can talk to you about my 13 y.o classmate in middle school selling his body to an old belgian guy, but that will be a very long story)…. cheers, people are in peace in Morocco, leave them as they are
As it happens I agree wholeheartedly with Khadija Raydi, president of the “Moroccan Association of Human Rights” – an NGO created on June 24, 1979 – who said on February 28, 2008:
“I consider personal freedom to be everyone’s choice as long as it doesn’t affect others’ freedom.”
Also, there is here (see url) a most interesting history of “Mithly” that aims to educate the Moroccan population as to the very real existence of a healthy homosexuality in North Africa:
Generally speaking though, I believe Press freedom has declined in Morocco since 2009.
For examples, publications such as “Akhbar al-Youm”, “al- Mish’al”, “TelQuel” and “Nichan” were shut down, and any evidence was destroyed by the authorities before publishers could appeal the seizure in court.
Moreover, the fact that “Mithly” has its headquarters in Spain, and that many – like you sir – now enjoy the freedoms of France, gives us an excellent idea of how restrictive life can be in Morocco.
How fortunate you are to be experiencing the human rights you would willingly deny your fellow-man in your native country.
In fact, instead of telling us about pedophilia and prostitution in Morocco and how peaceful life is there, could you enlighten us with recent news from the western Sahara, particularly with regards to the Polisario Front, and the hundreds of suspected Islamists extremists arrested in the aftermath of the Casablanca bombings of May 2003, who are still in prison after being tortured under interrogation and convicted in unfair trials?
Finally, thank you for bringing your concerns about the degeneration of Morocaan society to PinkNews where we are always eager to learn of the achievements of the LGBT community and the challenges it faces every day.
Also, since you appear to be familiar with the peaceful lives of your fellow Moroccans at home, perhaps you could give us a brief description of this idyllic existence in terms of the crimes which are punishable by the death sentence in Morocco:
- Drug trafficking
- Economic crimes (tax evasion, abuse of confidence)
These crimes are characterized by the fact that there actually is a victim or several victims, whereas homosexuality – in other words a sexual relationship between two consenting adults – is also seen as a crime even tough there is no victim.
Morocco is indeed one of the 54 countries in the world where the death penalty is still on the books.
I’m just curious to know how you, who seem to be keeping a close eye on the homosexual activity in France although you are straight, would account for that?
well, me as a moroccan living in France, I understood that there is no freedom wherever u go. Although, European countries are claiming democracy and freedom and such things none can deny that it’s only a facade aimed to target as many people as possible. I can remind you the burqa discussion, which majority of french citizens are happy to see it applied (it’s also voted in belgium and maybe many other countries will join the move). Although it touches the freedom of a minority of people, but they say it’s againdt the french identity. There is also nudity that is forbidden, and I can give u tousands of example that show how europe doesn’t apply freedom as they claim… In morocco we live in a muslim country, citizens won’t accept homosexuality if it’s shown, as they won’t accept to see people kissing outside even though they are heterosexual, or nudity in the streets for instance… As a citizen, one has to respect the society, and live his private life. As I tolou I know many homosexuals here, and many I didn’t know they are until months later…
WE don’t need in Morocco a Homosexual move to get the rights, because simply the society is against. What we need is a move that educate people to care about their own business and not look at what others do… Everyone benefiting from a private life, and everyone respecting the whole society.
About the death sentence, I think you only read some old sources, and don’t know that in morocco no death sentence was applied since years, and that the king has talked in 2006 about the idea of abolishing it… considering my point of view, I follow the US (example in giving human rights) and I believe that it shouldn’t be abolished at least for some crimes… That’s my personnal point of view
and considering homosexuality as a crime, I will just remind you of the “wearing of burqa in France” as a crime… Or maybe only third world countries don’t apply human rights, or should I say those women don’t deserv someone to fight for them.
And about the news you read, the fact of reading about them shows how peaceful life is, terrorists are arrested before appliying any of their plans (should I remind you that their head was arested in Paris, in europe),and the moroccan sahara issue is only a political issue, some threats from the polisario front related to what is said on newspapers, but life is really peaceful at least compared to many countries that are third world countries… there is a lack of ressources, poverty, unemployement… those are causes to fight for so that the moroccan citizen lives happier.
“In my country, Morocco, there is a very low percentage of homosexuality compared to what I see in Europe…”
You must be joking. It’s called pretending. So you don’t get stoned or whatever those West-Sahara-occupators do to gay people.
The high levels of homosexual prostitution must be linked to tourism and poor social status, not homosexuality in itself. Why not deal with the root of the problem?
Regarding the burka ban, I must apologize on behalf of all people (myself included) who actually want to see the face of the person we’re speaking to. How very barbaric of us!
Don’t you just love how big the mouths of the defectors get when they’re in Europe? Thanks, but I’d rather listen to the opinion of those who actually stay behind and do something in their country. Much more inspiring.
According to Samir Bargachi, general coordinator of Kif Kif, “Mithly” will hopefully correct negative attitudes towards homosexuality in Morocco.
Also, Reuters reports that Moroccan gay magazine pushes limits of expression:
Again, Congratulations Kif Kif; keep up the good work.