Theresa… it’s actions that speak, not words. Take action to fulfil your words.
She’s either panicking or obeying instructions. Either way, she appears to be under control for the time being. One down…..
It would be great to know why Teresa changed her mind – an encounter with a great example of gay parenting, a civil service message from the EHRC, political pressure from on high, crowd sourced disapproval from below, or simply being put on the spot on Question Time with the Lib Tory pact still needing time to settle down – please can we have an interview to explore this.
Look at what she’s done not what she’s spun!
Is this is? We’re supposed to shut up now and not protest that one of the most disgustingly virulent homophobic bigots in parliament is now in charge of protecting us?
I’m simply bown away by the hypocracy of T. May. Chuffed that dimbleby didn’t let her off too lightly.
I dont believe a word she said.
10-15 years ago my parents and other members of my family and i assume lots of our families would possibly have voted against the repeal of section 28, civil partnerships, gay adoption etc. People do change their minds whether through education or experience (and boy did my family experience it with two gay sons!)
I hope Theresa May and other members of the Conservatives have genuinely changed their mind too! I agree the proof is in the pudding, but if we continue to focus on the past views of the Tories then we won’t move forward!
Although not a Labour supporter, I do appreciate what they have done for the LGBT community, and I do believe that the great work they did means that the Tories have now been forced to accept the diverse society we live in and I also believe that we will be included in future manifestos of the main parties. Fingers Crossed!
talk is cheap.
Some ungracious comments here – we all change our minds about all sorts of things when we see the compelling evidence. I give her the benefit of the doubt. I hope she continues to base her opinions on evidence rather than populism, fear or prejudice. We’ll see…
“If those votes were today, yes, I have changed my view and I think I would take a different vote.”
Wow. You think? Such conviction! Not. And I get the feeling that she only thinks gay families are better than orphanages, not that they’re as good as straight families.
I am happy that she says she’s changed her mind. Not enough, as far as I’m concerned, but so long as she delivers the goods, I couldn’t care less what she thinks about anything. And I don’t mean that in a nice way. Just a pragmatic way.
As I said a lot prior to the general election the Conservatives will not be rolling back legislation giving LGBT people rights and protection from discrimination, but in the forthcoming Faiths-v-LGBT-rights areas I suspect that the Conservatives will be favouring Faiths every time.
The most obvious forthcoming Faiths-v-LGBT-rights area is that if the new Faith schools planned by the Conservatives, in the biggest expansion of Faith schools since the 19th century as reported in the Daily Mail as well as many other places. They will no doubt be free from having to concern themselves over LGBT issues in education.
So Theresa May can sit on Question Time or whatever telling us she has changed, but I believe it is all rubbish, when it comes to Faiths-v-LGBT-rights she will back Faiths.
“Is this is? We’re supposed to shut up now and not protest that one of the most disgustingly virulent homophobic bigots in parliament is now in charge of protecting us? ”
The proof of the pudding would seem to be in the way that the new government has address (gay) equality issues from the outset.
As Patrick James seems to have forgotten he stated repeatedly prior to the general election the Conservatives WOULD be rolling back legislation giving LGBT people rights and protection from discrimination.
Actually the very opposite seems to have happened and the Conservative/Lib Dem government is going a lot further than Labour ever did to ensure equality.
I am particularly please top see we will be ceasing the deportation of asylum seekers to countries were we know they face torture, death or other such harm.
Teresa May has changed her opinion, but didn’t everyone here WANT her to change? Wasn’t that the point?
I know some of you Nu-Labourites who have been preaching the end of the (gay) world if the Tories got it, must be absolutely gutted that things aren’t turning quite as you would have us believe it was going to.
I bet some of you must be feeling like complete and utter idiots – well as I always say guys .. go with your instincts, go with your instincts
@ Sister Mary Clarance.. Not really helpful to be crowing over things that have not yet been proven. As a few others have already said, actions speak louder than words.
I am happy with what has been (said) so far, let´s just wait and hope they back up their words with firm actions.
As a Labour supporter, make no mistake, I will be more than happy to praise and support any positive actions this new coalition government takes on LGBT equal rights..
As far as I´m concerned, the jury is still out, but I´m willing to give them a chance.. Let´s see who was/is right.. It´s way too soon to call.
“The proof of the pudding would seem to be in the way that the new government has address (gay) equality issues from the outset.”
No. The proof of the pudding would be in the way that the new government delivers action on equality issues. What we have there is simply rhetoric, and it means nothing until we see some deliverables.
You should demonstrate less of the blind support, and focus more on the actual proof, Sister Clarence.
Credit where credit is due – a great many people in this country have changed their minds over the issues of gay equality – the last 15 years have been a big learning curve as public opinion polls have shown. We have all witnessed the sea-change in attitudes amongst our families, work mates and others around us. We are not there yet and there is still a nasty and ill-educated minority who wish us harm, but we do now live in a far more tolerent society which doesn’t care two hoots about one’s sexuality anymore.
Teresa May seems to reflect this fundamental shift in social attitude – yes actions are important but the words of our political leaders are very influential too, so her frank admission that she has changed her mind and supports gay adoption should be commended not sneered at. For many years now she has campaigned against the ‘nasty’ side of the Conservatives.
We could all do without the frankly purile, ignorant and childish comments by commentators like Marc who contribute nothing to the debate – they are the nasty party in this new world – if Teresa May can grow up and open her mind then so can you!
“but we do now live in a far more tolerent society which doesn’t care two hoots about one’s sexuality anymore.”
Is this the same tolerant society that homophobicilly beat a man to death on Trafalgar Square while shouting “batty man” at him?
Or the same society in which Michael Causer’s was dragged from his bed and viciously beaten. He died nine days later in hospital from brain injuries.
And did this accepting society what doesn’t “two hoots about one’s sexuality” accept Gerald Edwards, 59, was stabbed to death in the home in Bromley, Kent, that he shared with his partner, Chris Bevan, who was seriously injured in what police believe was a homophobic attack.
A survey by Stonewall, the gay rights charity, published last year found that one in five gay people had been the victim of a hate crime in the last three years. Called The Teachers’ Report, it showed that around 150,000 pupils are affected by anti-gay bullying. Nine in 10 secondary school teachers and two in five primary school teachers said pupils experience homophobic bullying, even if they are not gay.
I’d like to live in your country Thomas, its seems nice and more evolved than the one I live in, the United Kingdom.
I’m really hopeful about this coalition government. Early indications are that the Tory party have changed, they seem to saying all the right things , no doubt they will have some MP who will put their foot in it again but I really do think that the party policy towards the gay community is positve. At this rate there won’t be much difference between the major parties on gay policy within the UK? Can someone remind me what the differences are?
I agree with the posters who said it’s too early to call. It is true that many people of all political stripes have changed their views on LGBT equality since the 80′s, though until very recently the lion’s share of Tories appeared to be dragging their feet on LGBT voting records.
Now they’re in power they seem to have had a “Road to Damascus” style mass conversion to the cause.
My optimistic side wants to think that was based on genuine concern, though my cynical side wonders if it was merely an expedient short term push to secure the pink vote that they weren’t previously getting.
I agree with all those who say time will tell.
I for one welcome Theresa May’s comments. I have met people before that have ‘changed their minds’ and it is encouraging to know people do. Lets not forget that it’s people ‘changing their minds’ that have allowed us to grow as a community. Not, of course, taking away the fact more needs to be done.
Well Done Ms May!!
Have you noticed her face when this subject came to debate? It was not a nice facial expression. She can tow the politically correct road, but what counts is her past and future actions, and how she’s going to deal with problems when two rights apparently clash, like bigotry disguised as religious expression for example.
Also the subject of marriage equality din’t come up last night, so we still don’t know her current views. Can you imagine a minister for equalities saying we should draw the line on interracial marriages? If she draws the line on gay marriages, it’s clear she doesn’t see us as equals. She has already given us clues, because she always refer to civil partnerships, and she hasn’t been asked about gay marriages yet.
Suddenly gay marriage is cropping up – only the Greens have come out for it , remember it was labour that didn’t bring it in, if they had then she would be referring to gay marriage now and not civil partnerships. What are the new propsective labour leaders views on gay marriage? Have they been asked? The tories never promised this , ask her when they are going to “consider” this with their libdems bed mates…
Societal attitudes have changed and continue to change. Personally, I think the benefit of the doubt is order here. After all, we want homophobic people to change their minds, surely. Being sceptical is fine, but to the point of hostility, it’s not really. It is definitely a hearts and minds issue and doesn’t help our cause when people are subject to vitriol from an embittered community.
And what is Douglas Murray talking about at the end of the programme? He accused gay activists/campaigners and their friends of “shuting down debate”. Is he referring to bigotry as a valid form of argument?
As others here have said, the proof will be in her actions over the next few years. Having said that, despite not being a fan of the tories in any way whatsoever, I can hold fire for now because at least she’s saying she has changed her mind. That hopefully shows she’s at least willing to move on and its at least better than sticking to her bigoted guns no matter what the evidence says about secure environments for children.
The real triumph is that she was obliged to repudiate her previous views and actions in the media spotlight. This means she can be held to it – it’s on the public record – and kept on probation. Any backsliding and not walking the walk will then comprehensively discredit her and what she does. This is what has to be done with politicians – so many of them of all parties are liars and opportunists that making them spell out their position with the camera and mike on is one of the best ‘leashes’ we can put on them.
Good that she’s changed her mind.
However she still needs to be relieved of the Equality portfolio.
Even though she claims she has changed her mind and now claims that she is no longer a revolting, poisonou bigot, the fact remains. In the past she has voted time and time and time against against LGBT equality.
Her voting record renders her unfit for purpose as Equality minister.
Cameron must sack her!
Question Time debates “How can this country move forward when the new Minister for Equality is against gays adopting and transsexuals changing their gender?”
Excellents news. Theresa May deserves credit, not silly insults from us.
Justin Hinchcliffe – Theresa May’s voting record on LGBT equality issues indicates that she is a poisonous bigot. She may claim that she has changed her mind, but her voting record remains deeply and worryingly homophobic.
If Cameron does not remove the equality portfolio from May, then we should hear that as a warning, that despite his PR attempts, that homophobic bigotry will be rewarded by the Tory Party.
Sack Theresa May now!
“Excellents news. Theresa May deserves credit, not silly insults from us”
Credit for what, exactly? Saying she has changed her mind? I can say I’m the new pope, but that doesn’t make it true. Actions are the proof. So far we have her poor track record and a statement. That is progress, yes, but it is not the entire pie, and it means nothing at all until she shows us the goods.
What we need is action, not silly insults from you.
I agree with the description of some of the comments on this thread as ‘peurile’.
First up, if she say’s she’s changed her mind then good – thank you Mrs May, I appreciate your saying that. If we didn’t believe in the potential to bring about genuine changes in people’s hearts and minds then there would little point in having a debate, or in a political process for that matter.
Now that she’s said it, then she must be held accountable to it, like any politician. It’s now up to LGBT people to represent their views to her, and the government, and secure action on the things that are important to us. Opening the discussion by saying ‘we want x y and z, you poisonous bigot’ is not a promising gambit.
It’s also slack use of langauage. If you’re going to describe Theresa May in those terms, where does it leave you to go when it comes to the real bastards? Be realistic.
A new government is in power, and she’s been appointed Home Secretary. David Cameron simply is not going to sack her because of the rantings of a few gay isolates who’d rather squeal in self-pity than have a proper conversation. Grow up, and get on with it.
“Grow up, and get on with it.”
Might want to re-think the “puerile” insult to others there – In all fairness, when you say things like “Grow up, and get on with it”, once can be forgiven for thinking you’re being puerile yourself, no? Opinion is opinion, respect it, and then you can in turn demand respect for your point of view. By all means argue a different point, but “grow up” is not an intellectual retort. Its childish.
Are people really fool by this Party?
the fact she’s just got a new job has nothing of course to do with the change of mind on ONE matter..
but theres a much more dangerous, nasty lady in the party in the shape of Warsi.
not forgetting Iain Duncan Smith or Hague……..urrrrrrrrg when are people gonna learn…
and still the homos aren’t happy.
No, dear, I don’t want to re-think. Peurile adequaltely describes what I think of some of these comments. You can have a slap about over who’s being more childish, or you could address yourself to the substantive points. Many of the comments here indicate a desire to shout, rather than discuss.
Chameleon: you say: ” It’s now up to LGBT people to represent their views to her, and the government,”
Yes – and the view that needs to be expressed to the government is as follows:
“We welcome David Cameron’s commitment to LGBT equality before the election. We are deeply worried and concerned that the new Equality minister is an MP who has an appalling track record of homophobia. By appointing such a person to be in charge of equality the Prime Minister is raising serious questions about his sincerity and his honesty. There are more suitable candidates to be Equality Minister than Theresa May. Lynne Featherstone is 1 that immediately springs to mind’
Well, that’s HER off Benny’s Chrimbo card list…!
Every one a ham-shankin’… Midland Bankin’ .. Top Rankin’ tosser…!
Are they see-through-able or are they see-ckuffin’-through-able..or what…!!
Well done for getting the Theresa May “Change of Heart” news out at 23:14 before it was broadcast at 23:27 by the BBC.
@BobbetStillTheSame I think Murray was referring to the way a lot of the issues and votes in parliament are sometimes ridiculously over simplified into “either you support this or you’re homophobic” and screamed about. Life is more complicated than that.
To take just one issue (because of space), the Waddington amendment is not just an issue of gay rights it is also an issue of free speech and society. There is a difficult balance between the rights of individuals to have the freedom to express themselves without and the rights of society to have protection from harm. A person who thinks that some mad preacher should be allowed to say what he thinks on the subject so that he can be argued with and/or held up for ridicule, and that this is not causing more harm than the dangers of making the state the arbiter of opinion, is no more automatically a homophobe than someone who opposes the “no platform” approach to the BNP is automatically a racist.
Hmmmm, how politically expedient for May and Cameron. Its obvious she preferred to keep her job rather than lose it. No different than many in the Labour party either. Now lets sit back and watch how far the Tories go on the goal of FULL equality if any of them are capable of conceiving what that really means. So far, I’m not convinced. I suspect it will be a very long wait.
BobbetStilltheSame No. 21 and Alan No. 21…..Expect NO change on marriage equality from either party, they’re all opposed to it and taking their cue from StonewallUK and all of its gay anti marriage naysayers while more countries are doing just the opposite. The fact that we as a group are still legally segregated with similar rights speaks volumes. The sort of thing that South Africa did away with, called Apartheid, in this case, sexual apartheid.
The only party genuinely supportive of FULl equality is the Green Party. The Liberal Democrats are not fully on board in spite of Cleggs statement that he is, personally. There was NOTHING in his manifesto about that and as far as I’m concerned, they’re still centrists like Labour and the Tories are to the right of center with a lot of right wingers in the background. Clegg will do NOTHING to force Cameron to confront the issue as a concession for his cooperation to keep stability. He’s consumed with power and power corrupts.
We would be just like the bigots if we did not give her a chance.
Well, Martin, you’re welcome to represent your views in those terms, but it’ll get you nowhere, for reasons that ought to be obvious.
Lynne Featherstone has accepted a job working under Theresa May, so I think it’s highly unlikely that she’d agree with your characterisation of her boss, although she may disagree with some of her views. That’s what happens in coalitions.
What do you actually want of this new government? And having decided that, what do you think is the best way to get it? Strident name-calling? I doubt it.
Anyone in favour of full same sex civil marriage should write to;
House of Commons
London SW1A 0AA
You can also CC the letter to;
10 Downing Street
London SW1A 2AA
A written letter is more likely to be ready than an email, but you can also email;
Stonewall has no interest in taking this issue on, so if they don’t, we all have to, and bombarding these 2 with letters and emails as well as your local MP (write to them at the same House of Commons address as Nick Clegg or email them at their @parliament.uk email address which will usually be their last name followed by their first initial) is the only way.
We need to put this on the Government’s agenda.
Interesting timed ahead for us queers in the UK – i don’t see any roleback in terms of rights but am sure that nothing will be progressed either.
We have to vigilant as there is still so much homophobia in this country – almost on a weekly basis we hear about a gay hate attack!!
I wonder how many of the people now screaming like petulant school girls for the resignation of Teresa May shrilled as loud when Ruth Kelly was in charge of equality?
”Theresa May looks like a gay” (woman)
It is not ‘strident name-calling’ to refer to Theresa May as a disgusting homophobe.
It is a statement of fact.
Despite her convenient ‘conversion’ her voting record remains unchanged.
She voted to maintain Section 28, she voted against gay adoption, she voted against an equal age of consent.
Having her as the Minister for Equality is little different than having Nick Griffin as Minister for Equality (worse in fact, as unlike Griffin, Theresa May has repeatedly voted to support homophobia on several occasions in parliament).
Appointing a bigot as the Minister for Equality can be viewed as a statement of intent by the homophobic Tory Party.
We should all be worried that David Cameron cares so little about equality that he will appoint a bigot to enforce equality
Okay MartinM. The (Cabinet) Minister for Women & Equality is a post always held in tandem with another Cabinet post. Lynne Featherstone was not put forward by the Lib Dems for any of their Cabinet posts so she would not be an option. Which of the other women in the Cabinet would you have appointed?
Martin, if you really think having Nick Griffin as Home Secretary would be preferable to Thereas May then you need your head examined. The rest of your points are mere repetition, and no more persuasive second time around.
I’m going to repeat something I said about Baroness Warsi. When somebody wrongs you and gets away with it, you don’t just bump into them in the street years later, ask if they’ve changed their mind and then pat them on the back when they say they think they wouldn’t do it again. When somebody wrongs you, THEY should approach YOU and they should MAKE AMENDS.
She tried to deny us our rights for years. Unless she changed her mind on us just last Wednesday, she has had ample time to make a statement about how she was wrong. She has had ample time to support things like IDAHO or gay pride. She has had ample time to donate money to LGBT charities, to get involved in petitions and campaigns. What has she done? Bugger all. So, no, I don’t think it’s puerile to regard her with scorn. I was taught in school that you should accept people who change their opinions. I was also taught that when you’ve done something wrong, you should make amends.
Also, she only said that gay parents are better than orphanages. This is hardly glowing praise. And she worded that very deliberately. I want to know what she thinks of lesbians getting IVF treatment or gays using a surrogate.
She has had ample time to support things like IDAHO
Oops. I should clarify I meant supporting it in more ways than reading an arbitrary statement. What I wanted from her was a personal apology, and then for her to get her hands dirty in helping out in campaigns. That’s what I was getting at.
I’m always very sceptical of people who have an epiphany when the odds are stacked against them. This reeks of just that. Cameron must have told her to shape up or ship just for the hell of it to dissuade doubters. Its done NOTHING for me.
MartinM No. 48, I would love to ask May and Cameron for that matter why they voted for Section 28. Once Blair started the ball rolling on equality after being forced to allows us to serve openly in the military and then later civil partnerhips, the Tories figured it would be a strategically good position to adopt the same supposedly “gay friendly” stance. Its so transparent on both sides. What we saw in the recent election was not a clear endorsement of the Tories, especially by gay voters.
No. 45 Sally….no, I don’t expect there to be any rollback on rights, it would be political suicide for Cameron now that he has Clegg on board….BUT…..as far as any more progress on rights coming from Cameron……expect NOTHING, nothing major at least now that marriage equality is off the table. If he were that smart, he’d back it, but too darned cowardly, just like his predecessors. If he were that committed to full equality, he wouldn’t need to rely on StonewallUK for guidance. He’ll do NOTHING voluntarily to prove just how far he’s come. Whatever he supports thus far, hasn’t required much effort since Labour paved the way for most of it, much of that involuntary too. They’re all on the wrong side of history as other countries move ahead of us, Portugal being the latest although it has a fewr equality issues to resolve, but they’ll do it having achieved arguably a major piece of equality that we haven’t. We won’t be among them. Cameron et al will find a convenient excuse to do nothing more taking his cue from Stonewall that thinks we’ve more or less achieved everything we need. They and Cameron don’t speak for us. They can continue ignoring us but sooner or later, its going to come back and bite them in the arse, permanently.
Just accept the facts they aint goning to change
Since the Tories have came in all LGBT People are doomed …end of
Even the so called libs wont want to upset their coalition friends so will go with what the tories want and support them.
Its th fault of all the voters in this country who voted them in and in the way the vote was taken.
All you ones that moan in here about this that and the next thing, YOUS are the ones to blame for all this, so at the end of the day hell mend the lot of you. Gays are suppose to stick together, where i come from that is ceratinely not the case and by the looks of it on here its just the same. All so called do gooders think they can change the world.
Get a grip folks, at the end the tories won and by them winning LGBT people wont be getting any further forward in their attempts for equality civil rights/partnerships/marriage. None of that will happen now so just accept it.
Micheal Barrymore is one of many who will go back in the closet in the next few years wait and see what happens, its back to the dark ages foir us gays..well some of yous anyway.
Once a bigot always a bigot!Be interested to know why she’s suddenly ‘seen the light’
Thats not true. My parents were Very religious but they had a change of mind and heart. And this from a father who thougth all gays should be lined up and shot. They’ve supported me 100%. Don’t judge everyone one your own intolerance. Just because you cant accept anypone changing. Your ‘no-one every changes’ view is retarded. Deeply shallow. It kind of shows your not a forgiveing type who doesn’t believe in change or those that do. A bit backward if you ask me.
theresa may and david cameron did not vote for section 28, this is simply untrue, and just another smear put about by labour activists.
@ Squidgy. I agree. As a Labour supporter, I am quite prepared to wait and see what the current coalition government actually do. I am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. There is little else to do really, other than moan and gripe about things that havent happened yet.
I agree that people can change. It is usually education that manages that feat.. Fear of the unknown usually vanished when you know more about something. Perhaps she has genuinely changed her mind/attitudes on this subject, perhaps not.. Who cares? It is what she actually DOES now as Equalities minister that is important. Her role as the person responsible for equal rights in this country should surpass her personal beliefs.. We will see.
Although I am naturally a Labour supporter, I recognise that they got a lot wrong toward the end of their period in government. Living up to my own beliefs though, this current coalition got the highest number of votes in our current electoral system. It´s time to at least give them a chance and not automatically play the party-card..
It is really a little like the situation on America. Obama and the Democrats were elected with a huge popular mandate for change.. Obama was elected on the back of clear election promises, yet now, everything he tries to do, every policy he tries to enact, the Republicans vote against it, block it at every turn.. Even policies they have suggested or agreed with previously… It´s pathetic party politics with no regard to the damage they are doing to the country.
I am prepared to give this coalition government a chance. Lets see what they actually do first?
Don´t get me wrong, if they try to f-ck with us, then we should protest and kick up a hell of a fuss, but let´s not start screaming already at (perceived) wrongs that havent even happened yet.
Likewise, if the Tories do something good and correct, they should be praised.
But let´s wait and see… what other option is there if you believe in a democracy and the rule of law? Lets reserve our venom for is/when they actually DO something wrong against us? Anything else is merely wasted hot air.
Totally agree with you. I actually thought nothing would happen ie no loss of gay rights but none gained either so am pleased they Seem to be starting on the right footing. Of course time will tell. I think the positive difference now is the LGBT community has gotten a much bigger voice now and I do appreciate that is down to Labour.
I am proud to say I have known several people who’ve changed there views about gay people over the years. Homophobia stems from fear of the unknown and in most people they do change their mind when they actually take the time get to know us, though I do realise not in all cases. Like already said it is all about education.
I do think Ms May is being honest but like you the choice of Equality minister is questionable. Hopefully with Lynne Featherstone as junior Equality minister things will progress. Time will tell and yes if it goes bad I too will add my voice.
Will Mrs May – “Practice what she is now Preaching”?
The preaching no doubt will be substantiated in her practice.
Time will be the Judge and Jury!!!
I reckon hitler changed his mind about the Jews just before the last bombs were dropped on berlin, just before he knew he’d lost the war.
We are talking about a woman who was in the party when they introduced section 28, and also voted to keep it in place a few years ago, amongst other anti gay legislation. And no, I don’t forgive people who have attempted to ruin my life like this woman and the tory party have. And that’s not backward, retarded or shallow (like stockholm syndrome sufferer #56 suggests). It’s called looking after yourself.
This woman is a homophobe, and she is the equality minister. Duuhhh. And some of you are sticking up for that cause she says she’s changed her mind? Duuhhh.
Another story where the comments prove that this tory government are going to get away with so much homophobia that a lot of you are actually going to support.
Next you’ll be telling me that Warsi woman, the chairwoman of the tory party is okay too cause she’s changed her mind and now likes gays, and Philipa stroud, and Grayling, and ian duncan smith, and hague, and……….
@61 ´Duuhhh´… As I said previously… ´let´s wait and see… what other option is there if you believe in a democracy and the rule of law? Lets reserve our venom for if/when they actually DO something wrong against us? Anything else is merely wasted hot air.´
So you ´don´t forgive her´… Ok, move on. She is the Home Sec and Equalities Minister…and that is unlikely to change anytime soon… Lets see if she DOES anything either for or against us, then act accordingly.
My party did much to forward lesbian and gay equal rights during the last few years, but they also did much wrong and we lost the election. Time to get over it and move on.
This coalition lot are the government (for now) and I am prepared to give them a chance… (If) they do anything against us, then believe me, I will be back shouting from the rooftops. But until then, I am not going to live in the past.. Lets see what, (if anything) they do for us now.
@61: is there evidence to suggest that Hitler changed his mind about Jews, homosexuals and gypsies just before the end of the war? Even if he did, would we have known? I don’t know that people with such strong beliefs can change them so rapidly.
And, even if Theresa May has changed her mind about rights and respect for us, she is still a Tory. They don’t have a history of standing up for the rights of LGBT communities; on the contrary, they do have a history of oppressing and spreading fear and loathing about us which has created an atmosphere in which people thought it was okay to treat anybody but heterosexuals in an appalling manner in relation to validity, jobs, love, safety, health, security. It’s very glib to try to oppress any arguments by going on about not “living in the past”, (as if one could, or might want to) but it would be frankly fatuous to not look at what these people have represented in their lives (and, guess what, that is “in the past”), and to try to gauge what has made them change their minds in such an alarming manner. Could it be that they know that their disgusting attitudes will just not hold sway with the majority of the electorate, who after all didn’t give them a full mandate to govern, and that therefore they are seeking to appease the more modern society they now find themselves having to govern? Is it that they guessed that society will take a little pain in relation to the economy but not in relation to old-fashioned right-wing hysterical dogma (Natsy, as Theresa pointed out)about the “family” being central to all of its activities. We have no choice at the moment but to accept that these bunch are in with the full duplicitous support of Clegg; hopefully their coalition will go tits-up really soon and an election can be called in which those who vote Conservative do so in the hope of electing Tories, those who vote Lib Dem do so in the hope of electing Lib Dems and those who vote Labour do so in the knowledge of creating government.
“Anyone in favour of full same sex civil marriage should write to;”
And how would that give us equality???
True marriage equality will only be achieved if gay people have access to all forms of marriage that straight people have access to- not just civil marriage but also religious marriage.
Would you really want to leave the gay-friendly churches like the Quakers and the MCC out in the cold?
“, but what counts is her past and future actions, and how she’s going to deal with problems when two rights apparently clash, like bigotry disguised as religious expression for example. ” Quote
We’ll see with her. She is one in a hundred if she has changed. I’d ask – what about civil MARRIAGE for gay couples. That is the big deal. Britain needs to join Portugal, Spain, Nepal, Canada, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Repub of South Africa, Israel & Norway in FULL legal marriage equality for gay people.
And the right of free religious expression – Bulls#!t – thats what the 9/11 people and the london subway bombers had in their country. Thats what the catholic church had in Europe for almost 2000 years. Which allowed the church to foster the hatred of the Jews. Which that Catholic still unexcommunicated madman Hitler leveraged to win election in germany.
And what the pope uses to tell Africans to not use condoms, in a continent with 23 million AIDs cases, and babys being born by the hundreds of thousands with a death sentene over their head.
And the pope who equates gay marriage to abortion. He has to know full well that some rabid catholics consider abortion as murder, and will see his words as justifying the murder of gay people.
WE need the strictest of rulea all over the world, to prevent hate speech against any group by religious people.
If you look at the worlds worst troubles, btw, you’ll find religion and greed behind all of them. either religion directly, or the greed for power over others fostered by religions living in the 10th century.