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  1. So the speech about protecting international gay rights was just a speech after all, empty talk. How dissapointing.

  2. BULLSH!T!

  3. Mihangel apYrs 20 May 2010, 5:23pm

    talk is cheap. I appreciate that Malawi is dirt poor, perhaps they ought to have considered that before effectively sentencing these men to death. I don’t want ANY of my tax take to go to support a criminal regime

  4. theotherone 20 May 2010, 5:41pm

    fine mihangel, you’d rather people starve.

    You don’t want your Tax money going there? Fine, you can burry the dead.


    I am fully behind the decision not the stop aid.

  5. Hmm… I still don’t understand why they should be entitled to a single penny of financial aid.
    They rejoiced when those two poor men were sentenced and claimed that it was part of their culture to punish homosexuals. I say let them suffer similar consequences of not complying with our values.
    Let’s see if their government will be willing to change its stance on human rights if people start dying of starvation.

  6. @theotherone
    It’s not just the government and judges who wanted those two in jail. If you asked ordinary people about it, most of them (if not all) would say that the decision was a right one.

  7. theotherone 20 May 2010, 5:47pm

    listen to yourself firfirkssake poustis: you’re celebrating other’s death!

  8. theotherone 20 May 2010, 5:48pm

    so they deserve to die? a whole country deserves to die?

  9. Jock S. Trap 20 May 2010, 5:54pm

    I think it’s great that Alan Duncan took the time to write this piece for us to see regardless of if we agree or not. I do see his point but arent these two men being ‘starved’ of there basic human rights? Plus we must Not forget that a lot of the Malawi population agree with this action towards LGBT people. It seems LGBT people are treated equally when it comes to taxes and helping the government but not when it comes to things like marriage.

  10. Mihangel apYrs 20 May 2010, 5:57pm

    all wise and compassionate theotherone:

    what should we do?

    What can we do?

    The Malawi govt doesn’t give a toss for its poor, it just wants money to support itself. Some obviously trickles down, but a lot sticks to fingers on the way.

    So how can we get this death sentence lifted, the otherone? Or are these two queers disposable to assuage your conscience?

  11. Sister Mary Clarence 20 May 2010, 5:58pm

    I tend to agree with theotherone. The carrot for compliance with human rights is the aid payments. Alan Duncan has stated that this case will factor into future negotiations. To stop them without any discussions about ways to ensure further payments in future would a) not help the gay couple b) likely result in death for hundreds if not thousands.

    International diplomacy is a little more subtle that do something wrong and we immediately withdraw all support.

    The (new) British government has been quick off the mark to condemn and start to act on this, and I’m sure its not the end.

  12. theotherone 20 May 2010, 6:01pm

    you took the words right out of my mouth SMC: diplomacy or, as it’s otherwise known, bribery works wonders.

  13. theotherone 20 May 2010, 6:04pm

    oh and you’re also right SMC: the Government’s been quick off the make with this. A bit different that Thatcher and South Africa.

    Mihangel: the question is not ‘what about this group or individual’ but about communities as a whole. You say that i want to ease my conscience, I just don’t believe in revenge.

  14. That £80 million donated this year alone will benefit the poor of Malawi, but it also serves to prop up the woefully inefficient conservative “Christian” government which is a nasty hangover from the colonial days.

  15. Tim Hopkins 20 May 2010, 6:33pm

    The Scottish Government considers that it has a special relationship with Malawi, because of historical links between Malawi and Scotland, and because the Scottish Govt has prioritised work with Malawi in its international work.

    The Scottish Parliament had a full debate on aid to Malawi on March 18th. The Scottish Govt said that none of its aid goes to the Malawian Govt – it all goes to voluntary organisations working with Malawian people. Many MSPs raised the case of Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza in that debate, and the Scottish Govt promised that no aid would go to any organisation that discriminates on grounds of sexual orientation.

    My feeling is that to cut the aid to voluntary organisations would do a lot of harm. As first priority I would want to see the Scottish and UK Govts make immediate, public and very strongly worded representations to the Malawian Govt that this is completely unacceptable.

    This is not something, like choosing the speed limit on roads, that is rightly left, without foreign intervention, to the sovereign govt of each country. This is a clear breach of fundamental and globally universal human rights standards, promoted by the UN amongst others.

  16. Also make sure you contact the Scottish Government who have extremely close historic links and aid with Malawi. The aid should be stopped today.

    The Malawi Government have said they are pleased with this. Cut the money, watch them squeal.

  17. What about the threat of stopping aid?

    What about “you get half now and the rest later”

    By stating that we will not stop aid is not a very powerful bargaining position.

    Surely a politician is about influencing the public into making decisions that are in line with the politician’s view.

    Which begs the question, what is the real view of this government?

  18. AlbiMangles 20 May 2010, 7:25pm

    This is not a gay couple its a transgender woman and her partner. The international media have been misreporting this case, maybe PinkNews could get it right.

  19. Mihangel apYrs 20 May 2010, 7:42pm


    you still haven’t actually given a better, more likely to suceed, solution.

    It seems you’ve written these two people off to death while sending more of my money to a regime I despise.

    Casualties of a cultural divide perhaps.

    And sometime, in the distant future, LGBT children won’t live in so much fear while we support an evil and incompetent regime.

    So theotherone, what would YOU do?

  20. Silent Bob 20 May 2010, 7:52pm

    I would rather my tax payer money was spent in another poor country, saving lives of people who do not want to imprison/kill gay people. There are more people to help than we can help. So we can choose to help those that are most deserving.

  21. theotherone 20 May 2010, 8:00pm

    I said, mihangel, that i support a diplomatic solution to this.

    I hinted at this earlier now I will ask it plainly: you accuse me of leaving these two people to die. I accuse you of wishing the blood of an entire country on your hands as an act of revenge.

  22. So, committed to human rights means spending millions on nations that would persecute gays viciously – and then send them a stern note that we don’t like it… but won’t do anything about it?

    Ok so we’re not cutting aid, I can understand not cutting it off – not so sure about reducing it. So what ARE we doing?

  23. theotherone 20 May 2010, 8:09pm

    we’re doing what countries have always did – bribing them into good behavior.

  24. @Jock
    Hit the nail on the head there. We certainly do have equal rights when it comes to paying taxes, but the fascist boot stamps down hard when it comes to our human rights.

    Does it really make any difference? It’s all just gay to Malawians isn’t it? They just want their blood. Misrepresented or not ‘both’ of them deserve our help. Unless this is another hypocritical gay-fascist comment on this site? I support everyone’s human rights, I don’t put a wall between us & the rest.

  25. The actual couple are a TRANSGENDER WOMAN and her partner…why dont you report the truth??…

  26. This is not the time for half measures. The President of Malawi has a brother who is a Prof of Law and they both understand perfectly that Malawi has international obligations to Human Rights that they are now tossing aside. Cut all aid immediately. An international blanket ban on all aid to that country is an absolute requirement. When the people of that country realise that the price for such outrages to human decency is a high one, let’s see how long it takes to change their minds. They must not be allowed to think that we will stand by and pay them for this conduct.

  27. This is shocking, yet totally unsuprising. Not only are these people backwards, gullible and medieval in their ignorance, and their attitude to huiman rights, but they want to run their own country, yet expect handouts from us. This money should be offered with very strict provisos as to how the country should behave. If they ignore them, the money stops. No if’s, no buts.

    I see Alan Duncan’s reasoning, but I can guarantee you, if that money stopped tonight, by tomorrow morning those two would be walking free. You just have to call these people’s bluff; they have way too much to lose. This should not just be a British thing either, but all countries providing financial aid should stop dead in their tracks until this problem is addressed and rectified.

    Incidentally, a slight detour, but I think it has parallels – I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the American Evangelicals were also in Malawi:

  28. Mr Duncan, who heads the department responsible for the millions of pounds we send to Malawi, missed an opportunity to make a powerful point: his own sexuality. While the Malawi govt would be taking a cheque from him in one hand, they would also be dragging him off to hard labour for 14 years for living his life as an open, gay man.
    The millions we gift should act as a bargaining point for a concession on human rights – that’s what diplomacy is about. Given that we hold the cards this shouldn’t be a stretch surely?

  29. It is ridiculous NOT to cut aid to this country that fails to recognize the human rights of its citizens. It is beyond belief that a government minister would cite Malawi’s “constitutional” guarantees of human rights even as Malawi has vividly illustrated that these guarantees are as meaningless as our coalition government’s pledge to support gay rights internationally. If we are interested in promoting gay rights internationally, Malawi is a fine place to start, and cutting aid to Malawi is a good way to indicate our seriousness.

  30. Mihangel apYrs 20 May 2010, 10:24pm

    theotherone: reveng, no. I just don’t see why my money should go here when there are many other countries equally in need. I am wishing no-one dead, the governments choose where to spend their money.

    Let’s face it, Africa has been a basket case for fifty years: money is pouredinto it, and it gets syphoned off by corrupt African rulers. When do we stop funding corruption?

  31. Peter Baird 20 May 2010, 11:22pm

    You cannot be dipolmatic or reason with a ‘Born again stupid’ Government. Presumably as in New Guinea, throughout the Pacific and Africa, these Pentecostals & other religious have destroyed the fabric of those Nations & have replaced it with a hate religious cullture.
    They will defend their beliefs to the death. Prefably yours.

  32. friday jones 20 May 2010, 11:44pm

    This is an ongoing genocide against LGBT people that has been going on for centuries now. Why shouldn’t a country die if they practice genocide? I’m just not Christian enough to send money to people who openly pray for my death.

  33. “We cannot and will not let down the poor of Malawi – for too many of them international aid is a matter of life or death – but we do expect their government to face up to its international and domestic obligations.”…..Alan Duncan

    Mr. Duncan, thank you, but Malawi has failed “to face up to its international and domestic obligations”. Now what??

    Still, I’ve been involved with NGO’s long enough to know that, as Mihangel says, international aid does stick to the fingers of government officials (who live like princes).

    Frankly, I’m glad to see that we are reacting normally to this outrageous turn of events, and questioning ourselves seriously as to what can be done.

    It has been reported that this conviction is basically constitutional. What does that mean, exactly??

    Does it mean that lawyers can appeal to a higher court in Malawi??

    If the law in Malawi can be applied in such way as to be unconstitutional – not to mention the international treaties enforcing human rights for all – then either the law or the Constitution must be changed. Am I making sense??

    Also, the condemned (innocent) couple would face a deadly mob if they were released.

    Personally, I share the opinion of those who understand the obnoxious influence of extreme right-wing American religious nutters who have been fanning the flames of emotional fanaticism in Africa for quite some time, and not only in Malawi.

    Also, the RCC’s failure – and it is a massive failure – to nurture Xtian values in favor of protecting its own pathological interpretation of god’s will for our times stinks to high heaven.

    So my own suggestion is to continue expressing our shock and our digust…that is the least we can do.

    As for me, I am focusing on this freedom that religions have to incite hatred and violence, and speaking to my MP about it.

    Human Rights are under attack around the world, and it stands to reason that someone is getting rich somewhere…multi-national corporations maybe? Or is that me being paranoid?

  34. …er…sorry this conviction is basically “unconstitutional”.

  35. Patrick James 21 May 2010, 1:49am

    Rob N writes:

    This should not just be a British thing either, but all countries providing financial aid should stop dead in their tracks until this problem is addressed and rectified.

    I see, but that would surely involve international agreements, wouldn’t it?

    And surely from the perspective of UKIP, which I believe Rob N supports, international agreements undermine the sovereignty of the participating states.

    Oh dear, Rob, you see the world is a bit more complicated than it at first seems…

  36. Oh Patrick, you love your little digs don’t you? You really are a twat of the highest order. There is a world of difference between international agreements, and international control.

    This doesn’t even need written agreements. I’m sure most civilised countries would go along with this, and we all just follow the line. It doesn’t need weeks of negotiation to figure this no-brainer.

    Now James, why don’t you just relax, sit down and have a chair, and let me plug it in for you.

  37. dave wainwright 21 May 2010, 3:35am

    the only pressure that will make any difference is economic , the money rarely gets to those who need it anyway , we have all seen evidence of this , it lines the pockets of the politicians and their families , SUSPEND THE AID NOW until these men are freed and given passports so that they may claim asylum in a less barbaric country

  38. Aid should go to the poorest but talk is not enough. Britain could break off diplomatic relations; seek Malawi’s suspension from the Commonwealth; ban visits to the UK by their ministers. There are many things that could be done if our government is prepared to stand up for gay rights – which are fundamental human rights.

  39. No more aid to Malawi.

    Africa’s poverty is far too serious for Britain to solve.

    There are countless countries in Africa which are just as desperately poor as Malawi is, but whose government’s are not genocidally homophobic like Malawi’s.

    British aid can be just as effectively used elsewhere.

  40. To MartinM: Aid can certainly be just as effective elsewhere, but it is the government who condemned these poor men, not the poverty-stricken masses of their country. If we turned around and denied them aid as a response to this, then really, how can we claim to be “better” than them in terms of how we treat others?

    I firmly believe that a far better response is to lead by compassion, not a door-mat, but there are surely a great many responses we could make which wouldn’t hurt the poor people of Malawi who are not interested in politics but just trying to get by and feed their families. For example, tighter conditions on the provision of financial aid. We could say “we’ll help your country’s people, but we’re not giving you all this money for nothing, we want to see evidence that you’re treating all your citizens fairly and equally and until we do, we’re attaching conditions x, y & z to this aid”.

  41. Galadriel1010 21 May 2010, 11:54am

    If the couple were released because of a threat like cutting aid, I expect that the couple would be murdered. Would anyone be brought to justice if that were the case? I highly doubt it. We need to press for an improvement in our LGBT asylum record as well; that’s the truly shocking one

  42. Steve, No. 39, quite! Isn’t it ironic that we support sanctions against Iran and other nuclear proliferation offenders, N. Korea being another example and we refuse to impose sanctions on Malawi. Its beyond the double-standard when it comes to the lives of gay people around the world. Its about time the Commonwealth were abolished altogether. Just what exactly do we get out of it? They wanted their independence, rightly so, but let them fend for themselves. Cut that umbilical cord once and for all. If Cameron wants to cut the deficit, he can start by cutting off the funding for all members.

  43. No 41: George: you say: “it is the government who condemned these poor men, not the poverty-stricken masses of their country.”

    Well as has been pointed out before Malawi’s government is democratically elected and the homophobia of the government and court system, reflects the murderous homophobia of Malawian society.

    It is absolutely essential that suspension of aid to Malawi is an option that must not be taken off the the table.

    The judge when he sentenced these men to 14 years hard labour (ie sentenced them to DEATH) for their crime of being gay, said that he wanted to make an example of them to terrorise other LGBT in Malawi.

    Well considering the rise of genocidal homophobia across the African continent (see Uganda, Rwanda, Malawi, Nigeria, Sudan etc etc) then we need to send a strong signal to these nations.

    If you rely on our aid then we fully expect you to apply international standards of human rights. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

  44. paul canning 21 May 2010, 3:52pm

    Read the judgment against Malawi gay couple

    Peter Tatchell issued a plea for action in support of them:

    Send a letter or postcard of support to Steven and Tiwonge. In this difficult time, they need to know that people around the world love and support them. Get all your friends to do the same. Write to:

    Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza, Prisoners, Chichiri Prison, P.O.Box 30117, Blantyre 3, Malawi

    Make a donation by post or BACS electronic transfer to OutRage!’s Malawi Defence Campaign. OutRage! will use all money donated to support Tiwonge and Steven with food parcels, medicine, clothes, blankets etc. and to help fund the campaign for their release.

    By BACS electronic transfer:
    Account name: OutRage!
    Bank: Alliance and Leicester Commercial Bank, Bootle, Merseyside, GIR 0AA, England, UK
    Account number: 77809302
    Sort code: 72-00-01

    For electronic transfers from overseas (outside the UK), please
    ADDITIONALLY quote this code:
    IBAN: GB65ALEI72000177809302

    By cheque:
    Write a cheque payable to “OutRage!” and send to OutRage!, PO Box 17816, London SW14 8WT. Enclose a note giving your name and address and stating that your donation is for the Malawi Defence campaign.

  45. George wrote: “Aid can certainly be just as effective elsewhere, but it is the government who condemned these poor men, not the poverty-stricken masses of their country.” As MartinM pointed out, the government of Malawi is democratically elected. Moreover, there was rejoicing in the streets when the verdict was announced, and crowds jeered the couple, saying they should have gotten 50 years rather than “only” 14. The people of Malawi are not innocent of this injustice.

  46. Isn’t a lot of the aid we give Malawi health care services and the ability to buy anti-viral drugs to fight the HIV virus? I think we should cut off aid that is non-essential but not aid that gives people drugs they need to stay alive. If we deny them the right to the AiDS cocktail drugs, we are killing people with AIDS/HIV. What we would be saying is that gay people have a greater right to life than straight people since AIDS is primarily heterosexually transmitted in Malawi.

  47. AI used to live in Malawi and am a gay man. Alan is right. The Malawian law is despicable, but we cannot deny anyone even our worse enemy the right to food and medicine. Malawi is such a poor country that anyone who has not been there cannot begin to imagine. As a teacher there, one of my pupils was in the national youth football team and he was forced to beg for money from me because he couldn’t afford football boots. Children are pulled out of school because their parents cannot afford shoes or they need help on their farm. We need to protect the rights of gays there, but we cannot deprive the citizens of Malawi (even the homophobic ones) of basic aid.

  48. Anti-gay laws in Africa are product of American religious exports, say activists (The Times)
    More here:

  49. James Incer 22 May 2010, 12:02pm

    Either you agree with Alan Duncan or you want innocent people to die.

  50. What a load of sanctimonious bullsh1t most of you are dibbling on about whilst you eat your cornflakes before going off to work (except Paul Canning and JeanP).
    Alan Duncan is a homophobe for giving money to a homophobic government. Would a black MP decide to give money to a racist white majority country that imprisoned black people to 14 years hard labour – cause that would be racist. Or a Jewish MP decide to give money to an anti semitic goverment that imprissoned people because they were Jewish – cause that would be anti semitic. Seems to me that some of you are suffering from stockholm syndrome. Only an abused victim who doesn’t understand the hate directed at them would agree to giving money to a group of people who want to treat them like the malawi government treat gay men. Typical naive mixed up dramatic hysterical trans and camps. Two weeks ago it was wrong for a British MP to want B and B’s the freedom to discriminate against gay men. Now you want an MP to send 80 million to a government who want to put gay men in prison for 14 years hard labour. What hypocrites.
    And don’t pull the ‘holy than though’ cr4p on me. Do you seriously think that Malawi is the only poor country in the world? Half the fvckin world lives on the breadline, and most of it willing to not turn gay men into criminals if you’d give them some money. Why give the 80 million to this homophobic lot? A country who also get new churches from another tory homophobe, Philipa stroud. You are paying for a new generation of homophobes. They must have oil or diamonds or something. Jeez, some of you are so naive.
    The comments on this story make me realise this tory government are going to get away with so much homophobia that some of you are actually going to support.

    Either you agree with Alan Duncan financially supporting a homophobic government, or you don’t.

  51. ooohhh get her

  52. stupid comment dean
    Jay’s right

  53. Sister Mary Clarance 22 May 2010, 8:26pm

    Ok Jay – talk us through what would actually happen if we took the aid away?

  54. Sister Mary Clarance 23 May 2010, 2:08am

    Going to answer then Jay?

  55. Sister Mary Clarance 23 May 2010, 11:12am

    Some comments from Nyasa Times on the story suggesting not all those in Malawi take the same view on homosexuality (although others clearly do):

    “The church should stand for the voiceless irrespective of beliefs. The church was there when it felt that peoples’ rights were being abused by the MCP-led government prior to the 1993 referendum.

    What’s unnatural about homosexuality? Is it natural for clergymen/church elders to have extra-marital affairs when these affairs result in heartaches, spreading AIDS and marriage break-ups? Are the rights of those affected taken care of? Who has being jailed for infidelity? Children growing up in single-headed households because of infidelity and yet malawian culture does not punish this? Look at the increases in the number of mahules on our streets as a direct response of availablity of clientelle, most of these are people who claim to be christian. Who punishes these night crawlers? Malawian culture does not exist as noone can clearly define what is Malawian. Leave these two guys alone and we all have a duty to protect those who believe in what they stand for and not to persecute them. Why should our hypocritical society pretend these are the worst we have witnessed. There are gay people even in villages and it’s called mathanyula around the central region areas. It’s been there since time immemorial and will always be there as long as human beings will roam the earth.

    Let us not bury our heads in the sand and pretend that the homosexuality is unafrican or unmalawian. what is unafrican or unmalawian is this ignorance and hypocrisy. Wake up and smell the winds of change. You cannot stop change, if you are forgetting already!!!”

    “Hypocricy!!! How can the Roman catholic church say it condemns Homosexuality when the whole world now knows that its priests/clery have been abusing children. There are many peadophiles, lesbains, homosexuals in the Roman Catholic Church. And how can the church says it promotes marriage when it has “celibate” priests who have childern? It is not for the church to start pronouncing judgement on these people. It is the duty of the church to reach out to people and not condenm them. Sometimes the church does not understand issues. There was a time when it was illegal in Malawi for women to wear trousers. The church even used biblical verses to prevent women from wearing trousers even when the law was repealled. 14 years is too much these people have done nothing wrong to deserve such a harsh punishment.”

    “Yes I agree with the above writer. Those convicted of rape and incest have never giver such long jail sentences. The sentence has been misplaced because those were two consenting individuals as compared to rape as a crime.

    After all Jesus cannot be used as a reference because he himself did not marry. Who knows, he would have been gay.”

  56. If the malawi government are more concerned with keeping two men in prison for being gay than feeding this starving population some of you are talking about then it is the malawi government who would be letting their citizens starve if aid were taken away, not the UK government, certainly not me. Its simple, if they want our money they do as we say. Continuing to give them money makes them and the rest of africa think they can get away with their homophobia – it justifies their hate – you justify their hate. And to say we dont use money/aid as a political weapon is just bullsh1t, they do – just not for gay rights, and worse they normally use bombs as political weapons. And yes I care more about the lives of gay men who are turned into criminals that are sent effectively to a death sentence than I do the lives of bigoted homophobes who wish to see me dead, thats cause Im gay and fight for gay rights, and not a bigoted homophobe who fights for bigoted homophobes rights.
    The question Mary isnt what would happen if we took aid away, (answer being, the same as everywhere else in the world where there is suffering, they would suffer – are you seriously saying that the UK should feed every staving person in the world and help all those who are vulnerable? do you know how sh1t the world really is? – and then you woke up from cloud cuckoo land), the question is why you care more about the lives of bigoted homophobes than you do gay men. Defending gay rights might not be a priority for you and your tory freinds, but it is for me. But then I dont even know if youre gay, or transgendered – maybe both. It gets so confusing when a group fighting for rights dont have the same agenda cause they’re fighting for different things.

  57. So in order to get Gay Rights we should choose who has Basic Human Rights?

    Doesn’t that make put you on the same par as the judge passing these despicable sentences. Actually being that your clearly asking for Genocide that makes you worse. No wonder the worlds in a mess. Your actually on the same par as religious nuts of the world.

    Thank God for the decent people in the world. I just wish there was a place all the decent life-loving people could go so you bunch of haters can destroy your own world and not take all with you!!

  58. Jock S. Trap 23 May 2010, 12:18pm

    I have to say Jay for all your bleating about about Hitler you sound Exactly like him. Different words sure but same content!

  59. Sister Mary Clarance 23 May 2010, 12:22pm

    ok, Jay, so you have not really specified exactly ‘how’ you you think it would work if we took away the aid, other than to say ‘the same as anywhere else in the world’, which is a tad non-specific.

    The largest part of the aid package goes towards the HIV/AIDS budget, with around 12% of the country HIV+. No more protease inhibitors, no more retrovirals, no more pain relief medication, no more antibiotics. No more funding for medical staff. No more condoms, no more HIV/AIDS awareness education.

    Then there’s the education budget. Ceasing funding for teachers and schools because that will hep them ‘learn’ about equality won’t it if we shut the schools.

    And what about the farming (food and seeds) budget. In a country where there are already people starving of malnutrition are you really suggesting that we cut off the seed supply?

    We do however provide funding to support their parliamentary, democratic and legal framework and potentially this is where we need to start adding a few more strings to the aid. Government officials may well be more likely to listen if they think their salary is on the line – more so anyway that if we have taken it away.

    So possibly the introduction of more conditions on one strand of aid might be the more palatable option rather that the culling of the poor and sick?

    Oh, and on the Tory Jibe, quite happy to be Tory, so don’t waste your breath. Labour had had 13 years to sort this out and hasn’t done so good. Maybe the Tory/Lib Dem government will have more success

  60. It’s all so complicated, isn’t it.

    That’s one reason why I prefer dealing with NGO’s who have experts to analyze these situations.

    Also, theotherone touched on something yesterday….bribery.

    I do believe there’s some of that going on backstage; that these Third World politicians are bribed to behave in a civilized way.

    Like Tina Turner sang: “It’s the ways of the world.”

    Still, we need to focus on Steven and Tiwonge, and Paul Canning has the best idea so far.

  61. you know what squidgy and jock, I cant even be bothered with your futile judgements in this empty room – but maybe thats because im like you tell me a ‘genocidal hating destroyer who sounds just like hitler’. lol. thats not a hissy dramatic judgement is it? how i laugh at the clowns. we dont agree, get over it. why do you two (and mary) always think everyone has to explain to you and prove what they are saying anyway? and then ultimately agree with you? who do you think you are, the pink news police?

    anyone reading any of this claptrap, just ignore it and go to comment #45. he’s the only who’s commented who really cares about the issue enough to do something constructive and has some good ideas to help these two men. ive sent my letter and made my donation.

  62. all this support I guess it’s a case of my enemies enemy is my friend. some of the poster have no problem in posting racist stuff on other threads.

  63. Sister Mary Clarance 23 May 2010, 10:36pm

    To be fair dean is more about basic respect for the value of life I think – and some people’s apparent lack of

  64. rubbish it’s about slagging off Africans te judgement was wrong but at least have some integrity and stop pretending you’d like these guys as neighbours.

  65. Sister Mary Clarance 24 May 2010, 1:20am

    Lost me – which guys as neighbours? I think its actually more about certain people feeling we shouldn’t be helping others worse off than ourselves – whoever they may be.

  66. #50 @Pavlos you said ‘

    Anti-gay laws in Africa are product of American religious exports, say activists (The Times)
    More here:

    Actually I think you’ll find that more than half of the world’s remaining “sodomy” laws -criminalizing consensual homosexual conduct – are relics of British colonial rule

    Read more here

  67. Sister Mary Clarance 24 May 2010, 11:37am

    Actually Beecham, this was one of the points being made on the Malawian newspaper site I was reading that the argument is that homosexuality is something that has been imported from the West, but then so is the religion that indicates (supposedly) that it is wrong. So there is selectivity from some quarters about what Malawi chooses to ‘import’ and what it does not, particularly when gay people have had a place in Malawian communities historically.

  68. omg. smc I agree with you. I’m gong to have to re read your posts thanks

  69. @50 Pavlos:

    I hope you don’t mind if I re-introduce your comment and reference at this point:

    “Anti-gay laws in Africa are product of American religious exports, say activists (The Times)

    More here:

  70. @69 Beecham:

    Excellent reference from HRW; excellent.

    This is precisely the kind of documentation that the lgbt community needs to read in order to nurture a vision that will unite us in facing the world-wide backlash against human rights that we are seeing today.

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