I think that Theresa May will in fact make quite a lot of statements like this which sound very good about LGBT issues. This will be to deflect her attention from her own voting record.
However in the forthcoming religion versus LGBT rights areas I suspect that religion will be winning every time.
The most obvious problem is that the new Faith schools planned by the Conservatives, the biggest expansion of Faith schools since the 19th century as reported in the Daily Mail as well as many other places will no doubt be free from having to concern themselves over LGBT issues in education.
I know we like to remain on what people did in the past and refuse to admit that someone might change their mind or move on, but there is hope and it is up to us, the electorate, to make sure that these words are more than just empty words!
Govt already shown how committed they are by recruiting Stroud, keeping Grayling and making May Equalities minister. What a joke.
Like Lily Allen said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M9RChCCxDg
How will Cleggeron and the LibCons raise visibility here in the UK? Will they fly the Rainbow Flag for IDAHO and Pride at Westminster, [as the Austrians --despite their still very recent history of ignoble homophobia-- now do in Vienna]?
patrick james: before criticising the Tories (deservedly if they do cave in to the Religious) it is worth remembering that Edward Balls passed a law allowing Faith Schools to say whatever they like regarding Homosexuality. In addition Labour caved in to Religion regarding Employment rights and let us not forget Gordo’s claims that Marrage is a Hetrosexual religious thing.
“Today, she promised the new government would tackle homophobic bullying and pressure countries with poor human rights records to improve their treatment of lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people.”
Before this new government starts telling foreign sovereignties to get their houses in order it first needs to forcibly tackle the abysmal lack of LGBTQI human rights on its own homo- trans- phobic British Overseas Territories…
i 100% agree with Brendra. There are MANY issues and problems faced here in the UK by LGBT people that need to be addressed first.
“”This government is committed to creating a society that is fair for everyone and supports equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people.This means supporting civil partnerships…”
Yeah, right – and equality for black Americans meant separate drinking fountains. Separate isn’t equal. I strongly object to the CIVIL institution of marriage not being available to me because of my sexuality. That’s not equality.
@6 – “before criticising the Tories”
yeah, why don’t you have another go at patrick and continue to defend the homophobic tory party and try and stop people protesting the homophobic tory government.
Before you criticise the labour party it is worth remembering the labour government repealed clause 28, a homophobic law put in place by the party now in power and which they atttempted to keep in place, theresa may being one of those people. The labour party also equalised the age of consent for heteros and homos, began the ball rolling for adoption rights and it was a labour politician who introduced civil partnerships. The labour government did more for LGBT in the 13 years in power than any other government in the history of this country has ever done. So don’t sit there trying to preach to us the evil’s of a labour government on the thread of a story about a homophobic tory government.
Is that the same Labour government that blocked repeal of s28 for six years, spent oodles of our money defending the gays-in-the-military ban, rolled back hard-won trans employment rights in 1999, and so on?
Mmmm. So we’re supposed to forget Labour’s dodgy record but remember the Tory dodgy record. Does sound a bit one-sided that.
The message should have been
“On this International Day Against… well, me. I am stepping down, because the fox should not be guarding the henhouse. Goodbye.”
Anything else is a farce
The last Labour government did more for us on gay rights than any previous government before – it is boggling that anyone would compare them with the Tories. Do you even look at vote records or do you have blue tinted glasses that obscure them?
Ths is all hokum, cause when the Muslims take over, we are all taytie bread by hanging or stoning or some other equally horrendous method.
This is like getting ready for the New Year when we’ve been told the Sun will blow up in a week. It won’t make a blind bit of difference no matter how loud we shout homophobia ‘cept to make the homophobes more homophobic, so it’s best to ignore the whole rotten applecart, enjoy ourselves and wait for the next elections which aren’t far away, beleive me……
indeed jen and let us also add (as I did in my post) that they brought in a law even worse than Clause 28?
> So don’t sit there trying to preach to us the evil’s of a labour government on the thread of a story about a homophobic tory government.
We can all recognise the positive and beneficial legislation that the Labour government initiated and had passed by Parliament. We can go that whilst also criticising those policies of the Labour governments that were less positive and less beneficial.
It would be a shame if attempts to engage in an open and non party-whipped discussion were to reduce to no more than partisan shouting.
As much as I accept that people vote Labour for honourable and honest reasons, so others should open themselves to the possibility that people vote Conservative similarly for honourable and honest reasons.
Let me clarify: the record of the 79 – 97 Tory Government on Queer Rights is reprehensible but the 97 -2010 Labour Government is not perfect by any means.
If the present Government fails on Queer Rights they deserve to be criticised for it but so do Labour for their record on Equality. We should be able to say what is good and bad about both Parties but on this board if you’re not a Labour Supporter you are accused of being a Tory, accused of being a BNP supporter, called names, you are on the receiving end of Phobic abuse and so on and so on.
Let’s have debate shall we?
Pink News: Where did Theresa May make the statement in this news report?
I notice there is nothing about the alleged statement on the new Home Office Twitter page nor is there yet any press release on the Home Office website.
“We can all recognise the positive and beneficial legislation that the Labour government initiated and had passed by Parliament.”
Some of us can even recognise that the merely enacted European legislation as required by international treaty.
Some of us can also recognise decisions made by the European Court forcing the then government to enact European legislation.
Some of us can further recognise where the former government exploited gray areas in European legislation to, for example, continue to repatriate gay foreign national to countries where they faced beating, torture and death.
You cannot pick and choose who you give equality and human rights to. I absolutely believe that Labour did just that.
I’m prepared to give Theresa May a chance to prove she is capable of the job, she strikes me as a person who will want to do any job well that’s been assigned to her…I guess we’ll see.
“Is that the same Labour government that blocked repeal of s28 for six years, spent oodles of our money defending the gays-in-the-military ban, rolled back hard-won trans employment rights in 1999, and so on?
Mmmm. So we’re supposed to forget Labour’s dodgy record but remember the Tory dodgy record. Does sound a bit one-sided that.”
That’s an interesting twist on things Jen. Yes, it is the same Government – the same Government that repealed (after much effort and lots of opposition) Section 28, equalised the age of consent, lifted the ban on gays serving in the military, got rid of some very stupid laws about consensual sex and what goes on in the bedroom, sorted out adoption rights, employment rights and gave us civil partnership. I don’t think any of us would deny that things improved for the LGBT community under the 13 years of Labour rule – and facts are, they did more in those 13 years for LGBT rights than any previous Government.
Did they do enough?
No, I think Labour could have – and should have, gone further than they did. They pandered far too much to religious groups and muddied what could have been very strong equality legislation. But they did pass legislation and the status quo for LGBT people in the UK changed as a result.
Do I think any of this could have happened under a Conservative regime?
No. Had the Tories stayed in power, I doubt any of this would happened – or would only just be now being considered. The Tories have/had no vested interest in LGBT rights.
Do I think the Conservatives have changed?
I don’t know. I’ve heard a lot of talk – but to be blunt, “talk is cheap.” The Tories have a poor record when it comes to LGBT rights – that’s a proven fact. As a community we have a right to be concerned that the progress we’ve had (patchy as it may have been on occasions), that the legislation that has been passed by the previous government, could be repealed – or worse, weakened by new legislation and by a government not committed to equality.
I was shocked to see that “Great Repeal Bill” the new Government is proposing may contain the SORs (Sexual Orientation Regulations). Repeal of that regulation would not be in the best interest of the LGBT community. Of course, it’s not confirmed, it’s one of many regulations and pieces of legislation that are listed (the bill banning hunting amongst them). To my mind this puts into question the new Government’s commitment to us as a community, and our protection under the law.
Even with the Lib-Dems tempering them, I personally am not convinced that this new Government is going to do much (if anything) for us. I will be pleasantly surprised if we see anything new that improves our lives.
I guess it’s a case that we’re going to have watch and wait and see what – if anything, happens. But I think it’s premature to criticise Labour too much when we have nothing, as of yet, to compare them with.
theotherone No. 6….”In addition Labour caved in to Religion regarding Employment rights and let us not forget Gordo’s claims that Marrage is a Hetrosexual religious thing.”
Can you point me to David Cameron saying otherwise about marriage equality? The fact that he was quick to retract any statement that he said he was misquoted on when it was claimed he supported full marriage equality for gay couples. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black. The only one with the guts to support it is Nick Clegg.
No 9, Iris…..well said and pretty accurate too!
No. 18 Sister Mary Clarence….”Some of us can also recognise decisions made by the European Court forcing the then government to enact European legislation.”
Now, do you think Cameron would have done anything voluntarily had he been PM at the time? I doubt it. Another case of the pot calling the kettle black. The Tories would have done NOTHING either unless compelled to.
I suspect Cameron had a word in May’s ear to release the message after the flack he received on her appointment. So transparent. Homophobes have devolved brains.
Expect NOTHING more on equality with Labour or Tory in power.
Oh come on Bob: I point out failings in Labour and you scream about the Tories.
The discussion is wither Labour have a faultless record so please keep to it will you?
I’d like to know how May plans to tackle these problems. The Tories seem to be eager to do away with laws which they percieve to infringe on “free speech” and “religious conscience”. I’d like to see what tools May’s actually going to be using to deal with these problems when her hands are tied like this.
Ah, the waiting game – most boring of all games.
@22 – “The discussion is wither Labour have a faultless record ” – no one is suggesting they are faultless.
The story however is about a homophobic minister. When are you going to talk about the homophobia in the tory party instead of screaming about labour. Just admit the equalities minister is homophobic. Or are you going to continue to ignore this minister wanted to keep section 28, stop LGBT adoption, and keep the age of consent unequal. And for brainless morons to suggest that everything good the labour party did is because of europe is just absurd. If it was up to the tories, we wouldn’t have to follow European law.
Let’s not forget this story is about the tories homophobia, not labour’s gay liberties track record – which as I have already pointed out is better than any other government this country has ever had. If someone could point out a tory government which has given so many civil rights to LGBT then please do so.
Interesting to see that the proposal to change the law regarding historic convictions for consensual gay sex seems to have survived. Lets keep an eye on this one. It will right an injustice that affected many men.
Let’s hope we see a change from Thereasa May to Theresa Will; OK – she’s had a dreadful / appalling voting record in the past but now that she’s in this post let’s give her a chance to see just what she’ll do with it. If she turns out to be ineffectual or indeed anti-gay, then give it to her with all guns blazing!
I have no idea whats going through this woman’s head. It’s all very bizarre.
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Sorry Pink News, but I still can’t find Theresa May’s alleged statement anywhere on official websites or the mainstream press.
Twisted Sister, Sister Mary Clarence, is in for some rough times. The booming and early contempt of the GLBT communities for the Thatcherites is only going to increase.
His nonstop campaign of lies and partisan spin failed utterly to convince GLBT folks to vote for their Tory enemies. In fact I think a case can be made that our communities denied the Tories a clear majority, dooming them and the LibCons to long term (or if things go well, short term) impotence in government.
Political Wire reports that “An analysis of British election results finds that David Cameron and the Conservative Party were deprived of a majority in Parliament by just 16,000 votes, according to the London Times.
“Cameron came so near and yet so far. Just 16,000 extra votes for the Tories, distributed in the 19 constituencies in which the party came closest to winning, would have spared us a weekend of negotiation and speculation.”
And from PinkNews via the Guardian: “Tory gay support drops 30 points as Liberal Democrats surge. A poll for Pink News gives Nick Clegg’s party 58% support and suggests it has supplanted Labour as the favourite of gay people…”
If the Thatcherites lost it seems reasonable to think their catastrophic loss of support among GLBT had a lot to do with it.
Twisted Sister is, as ever, a poor spokesmodel for the Tories.
Twisted Sister wants to criticize Labour for its asylum policy. It’s a fair criticism coming from the left, from honest activists in the LGBT communities and from GLBT refugee communities.
But it’s not a criticism that can be made by SMC, Twisted Sister, a longtime opponent of granting asylum to muslim refugees and a supporter of the Tories ugly racist attitudes towards muslims and asylum. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Pink News, would you kindly explain why there is nothing about the message on the Home Office website or Twitter feed? Is it a message for Pink News and Pink Paper readers, and not intended for the public at large?
It’s just been put up about 5 minutes ago!!! It seems the message finally got through.
> I was shocked to see that “Great Repeal Bill” the new Government is proposing may contain the SORs (Sexual Orientation Regulations). Repeal of that regulation would not be in the best interest of the LGBT community. Of course, it’s not confirmed, it’s one of many regulations and pieces of legislation that are listed (the bill banning hunting amongst them).
I’ve not seen that – and the inclusion of those Regulations would be concerning. Could I ask you for the link to this?
No. 22, theotherone….Jay 6pac with his opening salvo (No. 24) echoes my concession that Labour are not faultless, who said they were? Those are your words not mine. I didn’t vote for them anyway.
No. 29…Bill…I concur totally. The fact that the Tories didn’t get the landslide they thought they’d get with gay support is evidence enough. I’d hazard a guess and state that the majority of gays didn’t vote for them. That said, if Cameron had in fact come out in support of full marriage equality, there might not have been a hung parliament. That only proves how dumb he is not to realise that and what a difference that could have made to the result, not that I would have been happy with a Tory as Prime Minister either. He has no guts to go that extra mile, just like his predecessor Brown. If Clegg is smart enough, though I doubt it, he’ll raise the issue if enough of us keep the pressure on him. I dare say gay tory apologists and naysayers of same sex marriage will advise Cameron not to grant any concession on that one, just like StonewallUK.
For those interested, here’s a good link about the Great Repeal Bill: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Great_Repeal_Bill
“But it’s not a criticism that can be made by SMC, Twisted Sister, a longtime opponent of granting asylum to muslim refugees and a supporter of the Tories ugly racist attitudes towards muslims and asylum. His hypocrisy knows no bounds. ”
And of course completely untrue Bill.
I have never argued against granting asylum to refugees.
Therefore I guess that makes you a liar Bill.
From my reading the SORs are not to be deleted but the laws on Provision Of Goods And Services may be.
Thing is that it would appear that this law is already dead in the water and ready for a costly challenge in the courts. Wither this is replaced by another peace of legislation is another matter.
As to Miss May: I do not deny that her voting record points towards her being a Homophobic twit and I have never stated otherwise.
The post by Patrick James I comment on was regarding Faith Schools and it is in this area that Labour passed a law far surpassing Clause 28 in it’s evil. If Faith Schools preach Homophobia then it is Labour who have allowed them to do it not the Tories.
Core! That must have been gone against May’s grain! How many more such announcements will she make before she runs along to Cameron’s office and says she just can’t handle the job anymore!
But maybe she’s capable of trotting out nice safe statements like this forever and a day. What will really test her is when all her Tory mumsies come banging on her door about the Bed and Breakfast bigots! That’s when we’ll see her colours.
Theotherone, don’t be silly, Labour did not pass a law “surpassing Clause 28 in it’s evil”! It’s evil to suggest they did. For a start, in today’s society with classrooms being full of kids as they are today it is very difficult for any teacher to stand at the front of the room and rage against homosexuality. Some will, most won’t. You assume that every teacher in every faith school is going to spit like Hitler against homosexuals. That’s paranoia and sheer invention.
But Section 28 which was introduced, passed, and set in action by the Conservatives WAS evil. It applied to every employee of every school under the control of local education authorities throughout the country and it effectively forbade any employee daring to say a word in favour of homosexuality. Now that was evil. And rightly did Labour scrap it once they got in their stride. We have a great deal to thank Labour for. But some will never acknowledge it.
Its not ideal, but its not like a person has to be anti gay all their life. She hasn’t done anything detrimental as of yet, so feel its unfair to hound her to death before she has even started the position fully.
Her appointment was no accident, perhaps its to illustrate that the Tories have indeed changed and they are going to prove it.
Theresa, we’re not stupid. We will not concede an inch to the homophobes in government. They are now manipulating policies with their homophobic advisors. We also know what damage people like Nick Griffin would do if he was in your place, so your attempt at the use of “nice” words won’t wash.
The first thing Theresa should do is a complete revision to totally clean up her track record on LGBTT issues. Otherwise the stench will not just disappear as per magic…
Theresa should publicly and profusely apologise for her track record on LGBTT issues. She should also promote and defend marriage equality. The minister for equalities must not treat people differently according to their sexual orientation. She must promote a complete programme to full equality. Anything less is just hot air.
You all do my head in arguing about historical events. Can’t we just let them get on with it and if or when they do something wrong then you can go on the attack!
It’s like being at a football match with the fans shouting abuse at each other!!
come on Damina! Clause 28 said you couldn’t discuss Homosexuality but Labour’s lovely law allows you to say what the fvck you like – there’s no escaping that. Labour brought in something far more evil than the Tories did.
Oh and the link to the Bill repealing useless laws posted above: I looked a little further. It’s not Tory policy but the suggestion of one MP.
Anyone can read a carefully written speech composed by a committee. I want to know if Ms May still agrees with her position of (1) not allowing same-sex couples to adopt, and (2) having a different age of consent for gay people. Simple questions only requiring yes or no answers.
You’re supposed to be so articulate, Madam Secretary. Do you think you could tackle these two simple questions? (where’s that committee?)
Unlike some of you I’m going to make my decisions on the Tories and Theresa May based on the present here and now. Not the actions of yesteryear. I don’t wish to live in the past as it tends to hold back your way of life. David Cameron Stated he wanted to change the party so I for one am going to wait, watch and make opinions when they arise. This is Theresa May being supportive yet you still moan. One has to wonder even if they did do all the right things, because they are Tory you’ll still find something to moan about. I look forward to seeing how they tackle homophobia. This is called progress and I for one welcome it.
Even Nick Griffin can appear to be “supportive” if he reads from a statement someone else has written. He’s been forced to drop his racist stance or face justice. People like her and him cannot be given authority over issues they have contentions with.
“Anyone can read a carefully written speech composed by a committee.!”
You’re absolutely right Charlie, and anyone can refuse to read it, or can get a sub-ordinate to read it for her (or him).
However Teresa May got up and read it herself. I wonder if Ruth Kelly would have done the same?
I don’t know what I think about May but she’s seems to be saying the right thing at the moment. I do believe that the cons have changed and I would personally give thanks to the cons MEPs ,Hannan ad Chichester , which took an active role in getting the British CP recognised in France and bothering to ask questions to the EU commissioner , something which I don’t believe the labour MEPS did, eg Chichester – Subject: British Civil Partnership in France-In the context of Article 515-7-1 of the civil code, adopted in France in May 2009, can the Commission advise how many ministries in France have not followed the advice of the Minister of Justice and, now, the example of the Ministers of the Economy and the Budget in granting the same rights to other EU nationals as those afforded to French same-sex partners? What action does the Commission propose to take to ensure fair and equal treatment of EU citizens? – This may not be directly linked to May but it does show a willingness to fight for British gay rights abroad and to try tackle LGBT rights abroad…. I think I would prefer to see how things progress, afterall, according to most of you TORY = being homophobic (I think I was told by some people that even Tory gay MPs would be homophobic), so you’re on a no win scenario even if you want to get rid of May or don’t believe her… it seems you wouldn’t believe anything that a Tory says…
Alan, I suppose you’ll start to understand how things work when the trends shift, and bigots under the guise of religion, will start to make inroads, because many in the government will decide to support them.
Alan, Bobbet is absolutely right. Good job we managed to vote the bigots out before their eroded our civil liberties too much. There is some damage but hopefully the Conservatives will set things straight again.