I can begin to understand where Peter Tatchel is coming from regarding the need to protect freedom of speech even though the orators comments maybe distasteful and hateful, but it is the hypocracy of the police and CPS in having a heirarchy of equalities which is outrageous, with race and religion being the most sensitive and gay sensibilites coming much further down the pecking order. Either we have one rule for all or no rules at all.
I go totally with Thomas on this. You can’t have your cake and eat it. There is a difference about stating your beliefs, and inciting hatred. Interestingly a Muslim that daubed “Islam will rule the world” in 3′ high letters across a war memorial managed to walk away because apparently “there was no racial or religious motive”.
If we want to have our gay prides, then they should be allowed to preach their gospel, however much it sticks in many people’s throats.
I was in two minds on this one, but I think dropping the charges was the right decision ultimately.
As I understand it McAlpine was asked a direct question by the passerby about his opinion on gay rights. He gave a candid if bigoted answer. If we arrested everyone for answering direct questions about their bigoted personal beliefs, it starts to look a bit like entrapment.
I think it’s always best to allow Mr McAlpine’s type to preach their little hearts out on street corners.
The majority of the public couldn’t care less, and all these people do is make fools of themselves.
this is welcome news – common sense has prevailed. who was the idiot who arrrested him in the first place? I suggest he read the bible for once – he may as well launch a crusade…(for want of a better word) against every church in the land, and bring every cleric to account for promoting antisemitism as in 1 thess 2:14-16, or genocide according to the book of Numbers…homophobia is a side shoe compared with all the murderous rampages glorified in the books of moses and joshua. Thomas Paine gave a great account of all this in the second part of his ‘age of reason’.
but why would u have cake and not eat it? what’s the point?
I, for one, don’t give a crap what happens to nutters like him. They’re not exactly a threat, but they are annoying. Police have the power to move public nuisances, such as drunks and flashers, off the streets. And that’s exactly the category I’d put this guy in.
So, I don’t think this was a victory for common sense. Nor do I think he was let off too easy. No, I don’t really think anything of the verdict because I don’t care. All I care about was that the police told him to **** off and removed him from the area. Every street preacher should be treated like that. And drunks. And flashers.
@ rob – “If we want to have our gay prides, then they should be allowed to preach their gospel,”
Your comparisons are dangerously naive. The main difference is, our prides don’t say that christians are an abomination of human kind who are sinners that will spend eternity in hell. Our prides don’t inspire people to go and bully, beat and murder christians. We just get on with our own thing, inspiring people to accept us, instead of casting judegment on others. This preacher has not got anything to get on with other than cast judegment. A judgement which then seeps into peoples minds and in some cases causes them to bully, beat or murder the people you are suggesting he should be able to cast judgement on. You say you can’t have your cake and eat it. Well I like my cake and I like to eat it. I don’t just look at it and let it go stale then throw it away. Christians have had their cake and eaten it for the last thousand years in the UK, that’s what power is. Time for us to have some power.
Pink News continues to misreport the Shawn Holes case in Glasgow. The press coverage of this case (and the subsequent comments)originated from a very inaccurate and biased report in Scotland on Sunday newspaper.
Mr Holes was not charged for telling shoppers that gays would go to hell, but for repeatedly shouting “homo” in the street and also shouting Islamophobic abuse.
That kind of abuse can be an offence in Scotland if it is done with deliberate intent to alarm and distress members of the public. People should be able to walk around the streets without being deliberately and intentionally abused in that way.
The police had evidence from eye-witnesses and also mobile phone footage. Mr Holes chose to plead guilty, but then afterwards said he hadn’t done those things. That’s not on – if you think you’re innocent, plead innocent and let the court test the evidence.
I have no information on the other case (Dale McAlpine).
homophobes are always ranting and they need to be punished and fought/opposed
I think it’s very disappointing that charges we’re dropped
Jay 6pac: “Your comparisons are dangerously naive. The main difference is, our prides don’t say that christians are an abomination of human kind who are sinners that will spend eternity in hell.”
Well that’s not what I read on here, if that’s any barometer to go by. It seems religion gets it the neck from everyone, so if you have any faith at all you are immediately branded a homophobe. I mean, Christ, they’ll be calling you Conservative next.
Either you have free speech for all, or not. The moment you start adding provisos to what can or cannot be said is the moment democracy crumbles and we devolve into a fascist state.
Like I have said many times on here before, you lefties are all for shouting democracy until the shoe is on the other foot and the majority votes against you, then it’s all sour grapes and whinging that it was “unfair”. Would that be like the same “unfair” that slipped in the Lisbon Treaty without a public referendum?
“Time for us to have some power.”
Spoken like a truly democratic socialist. You are full of sh!te.
Well that’s not what I read on here, if that’s any barometer to go by.
That’s irrelevant. What are you, the thought police? If pride parades make no attack on religion, or indeed anyone, what does it matter what those participating are thinking? To walk around telling gays they’re going to be tortured for all eternity, on the other hand… That’s about as far-removed from a pride parade as you can possibly get.
Not to mention that hate-speech against religious people is intrinsically not as bad as hate speech against gay people, seeing as how religion is a chosen ideology (ideas should never be sacred) and sexuality is innate (there is never any positive merit to denigrating innate characteristics that are not anyone’s fault).
What I’m saying is that not only is pride infinitely less offensive (by virtue of not being an attack on anyone) than hate preachers, it also would still be far more acceptable even if it was offensive. Ideas don’t need protection, people do.
There have been provisos on “free speech” practically since the dawn of human civilisation. Granted, throughout the vast majority of our existence, these limits to free speech were based on protecting the majority, or those in power, from denigration. If anything, the limits on free speech we have now are better and fairer than what came before.
@ Thomas: Bear in mind that the police only have powers to uphold the laws, but if there is a hierarchy of anti-discrimination laws as you say, then that is a matter for the politicians, as the lawmakers, to address. Surely the blame for that lies there instead?
Mr Dale Mcalpine is right mem should not lie with men and so on it is sin god’s word the holy bible says so R E P E N T or pay the price in the torments of the fires of HELL.