I suspect that the Lib Dem coalition will keep them on the straight [sic] and narrow regarding Queer Rights.
get ready for the attacks
good grief and merde.
This is the end…not the beginning
One by one our rights will be stripped.
The tories getting hold of this country is a massive massive mistake, not just for lgbt people but everyone. We will all suffer
The litmus test has already taken place during his campaign… Lib Dem? Who’s Lib Dem?
“I suspect that the Lib Dem coalition will keep them on the straight [sic] and narrow regarding Queer Rights.”
. . . with some one like Simon Hughes who in the 1970s campaigned against Peter Tatchell with the Slogan vote for Hughes the “Striaght Choice”
Mr Hughes later came out as gay . . . Spineless Spineless Spineless
Cam-Glegg . . .
Monstrous conception, Monstrous birth, Monstrous progeny
john: may I point out that the Lib Dems where the only major Party to vote against Clause 28? The only major Party in this election to offer Gay Marriage?
We could, ofcorse, play the opposite end of your game and point out that the Tories had a Gay PM.
i cant speak for the community just myself, he cant appeal and wont appeal and it gives them 4 years to start undoing every right we gained under labour. im going into hiding with all the foxes i think.
This is good news for the country. The best possible outcome assuming the LibDems agree to the coalition tonight. As I said before, anyone who thinks the clock is going to be turned back on LGBT rights is either deluded or playing politics and using scare tactics. It was obvious that Labour wouldn’t be in power forever.
The Labour gay activists are terrified that Cameron won’t turn out to be the devil they have painted. Which will mean a whole generation of LGBT people will realise that voting something other than Labour is a viable option in future. So perhaps the cat is out of the bag and it means the end of decades during which Labour types have used bullying and scare tactics to frighten the gay community into voting Labour. You can see it continuing in the overdramatic comments above as if the sky is about to fall in.
“We could, ofcorse, play the opposite end of your game and point out that the Tories had a Gay PM.”
theotherone . . . I agree totally
. . . but Mr Health was so far in the closet, to be practically in Narnia.
. . . but Mr Heath was so far in the closet, to be practically in Narnia.
I like the story that he asked for Gay Tory Bikers to flank [fanar, fanar] his car.
GS – lib-dems we’re always viable unlike the tories
Dark days ahead now the bigots are in power
I doubt he would turn back the clocks on gay rights, but sadly he won’t progress them much, if any, further either.
I think we could effectively fall behind on gay rights because they will stagnate whilst the Tories are in power. The lib-dems would have a voting say if the Tories tried to repeal gay rights, but if there is nothing on the table to progress things, the lib-dems can’t vote in favour of them either.
“Mr Cameron, 43, becomes Britain’s youngest prime minister since the 19th century.”
. . . BY STEALTH
@ Sparky who wrote: “Dark days ahead now the bigots are in power”
On the contrary, the return of civil liberties and freedom for all. The end of ID cards and much more.
@JohnK – Stealth? The Tories got the most votes of any party. If he hadn’t teamed up with the LibDems he could still have formed a minority government.
all we need to know is marriage will be rewarded. therfore we will be punished
Hague as Foreign Secretary kissing up to the US and spitting on the EU, likely repeal of the human rights act, who knows what else.
Clegg could well have killed the Lib Dems if he never gets any sort of electoral reform
Stelth? You do understand the way a Parliamentary Democracy works don’t you?
any tax breaks for Married couples will be extended to Civil Partners.
There are two lots of tories – libertarians and religious crackpots. Cameron really must keep the latter in check.
He has a great opportunity to prove a lot of us wrong – trust has to be earnt, and it’s hard to believe Haig et al, just 7 years after vehemently opposing the repeal of Section 28, are remotely interested in protecting LGBT people from prejudice and injustice.
It’s up to Cameron to show they mean it.
cameron said marriage would be rewarded not cp. in fact he didn’t mention cps or lbtg people once in his speech. how’s that make you feel gs do you really think he’s got your back?
he has said at several points that CPs will receive any Tax Breaks offered to Married Couples.
If you’re going to attack someone make sure you can’t be shot down
Let’s put narrow minority interests aside and just celebrate the fact that the most corrupt, incompetent and repulsive prime minister has gone.
RIP Brown the liar.
theotherone, he also said at several points that his european allies are not homophobic. take that
And likewise Gordo said that he believed in Equality but introduced a law worse than Clause 28.
was that in his first speech as pm?
They won’t give us rights, but will send us the invoices.
@ Dean – being gay isn’t my entire identity. As a LibDem he included me and he’s going to make life easier for me as photographer by rolling back the oppressive infringements of our civil liberties and rights that were introduced by Labour.
Many minorities weren’t mentioned. Did he mention Asian or Black people? British Chinese? He didn’t mention the elderly (and they’re hardly a minority). You need to see the wider picture. Stop thinking of yourself so much.
I’ll take that as a no
did he mention one legged magazine editors? No? He must want to make the lifes of one legged magazine editors hell!
you’ve won you’re rightyou should be happy, now leave us alone.
@ Dean – I’m very happy tonight. This result is what I wanted. You need to stop frightening people. Labour turned a blind eye to torture, lied to go to war, turned down 97%(?)of LGBT asylum seekers, bankrupted the country almost and LGBT people will be paying for that for the rest of their lives along with everyone else.
my my dean, got a problem with people who disagree with you?
Yet another unelected PM.
I dispise Conservatives. I cannot believe they got the most votes and I’m getting ready to hide for the next 4 years. What happened to all the people that said they were going to vote Lib Dem?!?!? Because it doesn’t look like all of them did.
Unelected? How? Did he get less votes than another person? No.
The Tories got 3 million (that’s 3,000,000) more votes than Labour.
@ coemgenus – how unelected? Cameron could have formed a minority government. He had most votes. He was the leader during the election. Would you rather have had David Milliband – a second Labour leader who hadn’t been the prospective PM during an election?
Besides which we don’t elect a PM. We elect a parliament.
the proof is in the pudding.
@12, JohnK, you have put the expression “in Narnia” firmly in my lexicon.
‘ou have put the expression “in Narnia” firmly in my lexicon.’
I should congratulate him on such a wonderful turn of phrase also.
well with all the plugging this organ has been doing of late , if he cant get the support he can always rely on Lord Cashcroft buy it in the press, we shall never know reality from fiction ever again and never trust the gay press , it is bought and paid for.
@46 That phrase was actually used first in an episode of ´Gimme Gimme Gimme´ on TV.. (to give those their proper credit..)
So, David Cameron is now the Prime Minister, now he has to actually deliver!
We´ll all see now what sort of a government the Tories are won´t we?
Tomorrow it´s down to work, (and not just easy-to-make promises made from the comfort of the opposition benches).
And remember, the public are very unforgiving so if Mr ´call me Prime Minister´ Dave does not deliver, then they will be returned to the political wilderness for perhaps a whole generation.
I am big enough to say that I hope I´m wrong and I hope Britain does well under this government (with the Lib Dems holding them in check), but I don´t think so..
Time will tell and I´m guessing there will be plenty on here for us all to comment about in the comings weeks/months.
Let’s knock this unelected prime minister business on the head. Every PM since Walpole was “unelected” and David Cameron is no exception.
This is because prime ministers are appointed by the head of state, namely the monarch, none of whom has ever been elected. The current incumbent has been in the job since 1952 without ever facing any type of election.
In contrast to that, all recent prime ministers have at least had to be elected as constituency MPs, and have usually had to undergo some election in their own party (Gordon Brown managed to avoid the latter ordeal, by getting more than half of Labour MPs to nominate him).
Neither situation is ideal but I leave it to each reader to decide which of the two is the greater affront to modern western democratic values.
Before anyone starts wasting time and energy on comments by theotherone I will remind you that on 8 May theotherone wrote:
you did know that the Unions and bosses in the Civil Service gathered everyone after Lunch on Thursday and told them that if they didn’t vote for Labour they would loose their jobs? I know people in the Civil Service who experienced this.
I’m just reminding you all about how on top of things theotherone is. He knows people in the Civil Service who actually experienced that!
theotherone also spotted:
the problem with people being turned away from Polling Stations was caused in the last hour or two of voting when there was a sudden huge surge in the Labour vote. So why did everyone turn out in the last hour or two? There wasn’t that high a turnout throughout the day for the stations not to cope and then suddenly…Electoral Fraud anyone? It was heading straight for a Tory Landslide until this strange sudden surge.
that big increase in votes was at the end of the day on 6 May was masterminded by Labour…
This story is not based on a great deal:
The new team at Downing Street told PinkNews.co.uk that he will make a new appeal to the gay community once in office and a source indicated that the coalition with the more gay-friendly Liberal Democrats will help.
I wonder who it was in the “new team at Downing Street?”.
David Cameron’s speech on becoming the prime minister gave all indications of a very right wing attitude to social issues from the Conservative party. We notice that David Cameron actually included support for the “family” in his speech. Do we think that there is an attack on the “family”?
The Labour gay activists are terrified that Cameron won’t turn out to be the devil they have painted. Which will mean a whole generation of LGBT people will realise that voting something other than Labour is a viable option in future.
The observations about David Cameron and the Conservatives are based on how they have voted and behaved in the House of Commons, the House of Lords and in the European Parliament.
So perhaps the cat is out of the bag and it means the end of decades during which Labour types have used bullying and scare tactics to frighten the gay community into voting Labour.
That is really quite a ridiculous statement.
If people interested in LGBT issues are wary of the Conservatives then it is because they have seen for themselves the activities of the Conservative party.
They might look, for example, at Conservative party voting records:
My Gay Vote.
Yes I believe this to be true, Cameron won’t turn back the clock on the actual anti-discrimination issues for LGBT people directly.
However David Cameron & Co. are all set to advance the rights of those who so wish to discriminate against LGBT people, most notably the religions.
David Cameron & Co are using the US Republican model which is to halt LGBT progress, and then advance conservatism in society.
Top jobs are steadily going to straight white men, what a surprise.
@ Patrick – scare tactics have been a standard part of the Labour arsenal used for any purpose to get them whatever they want. Not just anti-Tory. Remember how supposedly Saddam could hit us with missiles within 45 minutes? Numerous warnings of terror incidents that supposedly were imminent… Or vote Labour or the BNP will get in (what happened there? The BNP did terribly).
I’m sure the Tories aren’t perfect. But David Cameron didn’t have to give so much ground to the LibDems. What he has done seems quite generous. We should give him a chance. Top priority is saving the country.
Time will tell. But as we saw during the election, left-wing activist types on here will jump on the smallest thing. Somehow they are blind to hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, civil liberties eroded, 97%+ of LGBT asylum seekers denied refuge here under Labour, but oh boy if a Tory says the wrong thing about B&Bs there is hell to pay.
I was taking photos at a protest a few months ago and got talking to a woman who thought Tony Blair was wonderful. This man who has the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands and who took our country into a pointless war illegally. When Teresa May appeared the woman started screaming ‘Tory bitch’! Almost out of control. What did Teresa May ever do? She was the one who labelled the Tories the ‘nasty party’. Just one incident that made me realise how deluded and unpleasant some Labour supporters are and just as nasty as the worst Tories.
The possible cabinet:
righwingers are grabbing all they can, so you know what to expect .
Top priority is saving their own pockets. Anyone who can’t see it will be part of the problem. Eton boys are playing the game, this time inside no 10 and no 11.
Social Justice (including welfare and communities)
going to Iain Duncan Smith
Justice Secretary going to David Davis
Environment Secretary – Nick Herbert (basically mountains of rubbish and garden design)
Let’s make a lot of noise and make sure Dave Chameleon include us in every one of his speeches. That will be an interesting dilemma given his homophobic cabinet. Will they treat us as citizens or sinners?
How long will this coalition last?, although the Conservative Party will not be able to pass any new laws nor repeal old laws without the Lib-Dem agreement (vote). We cannot see the Lib-Dem party voting against their party manifesto. It remains to be seen whether proportionate representation will be embraced by the Conservative Party, which the Lib-Dems want. We hope that Vince Cable becomes Chancellor of the Exchequer as he has been honest all along, and was the one to warn that we were spending more than we earned in early 2008, before the international monetary crash came.
Shall we start at the top this time? No one has the guts to tell the queen she is spending more than she earns.
theotherine changes it’s name every week
@ GS: “Besides which we don’t elect a PM. We elect a parliament.”
then why was Hague making so much of it?
Patrick James: “However David Cameron & Co. are all set to advance the rights of those who so wish to discriminate against LGBT people, most notably the religions”
That’s what scares me most, I think. I’m trying to be optimistic and hoping that the Tory homophobes will be kept firmly in check by Cameron and the influence of the Lib Dems, but the idea that the religious right have been able to infiltrate the Conservative party and plant their nasty little seeds of hate and discrimination terrifies me.
Just how much power do religious leaders have in the Conservatives? And – most importantly – are they going to be firmly kept in check.
As for Cameron – personally I don’t think he’s a homophobe, just quite ignorant about LGBT people.
Excellent news. Glad to see the back of Gordon Brown and the Labour Party. Now they need to re-group and find there ‘calling’. Some of you are a bit over the top with your predictions. We won’t loose any gay rights. I actually feel quite positive about having David Cameron in No.10.
Well they’re in number 10 now, for better or worse. We all know what went before, but I’ll be keeping a close eye on what happens next. Let’s just hope Cameron puts his money where his mouth is on LGBT friendly policies and starts actually voting for some.
Was that road to Damascus conversion on LGBT issues just pre-electoral hot air or not?
One way or another this should settle the argument on these threads about whether or not the Tories are still the clause 28 endorsing ‘nasty party’.
> However David Cameron & Co. are all set to advance the rights of those who so wish to discriminate against LGBT people, most notably the religions.
Is there any room for this, after the Labour government? The Conservatives are attacked for being supported by religious Christians. As ugly as this can be, the Labour Party is supported by religious and sectarian Christians in Scotland and religious Muslims in England.
Philippa Stroud was an ugly episode for the Conservative Party. However, I doubt that the religious Christians and Muslims in the Labour party think any differently.
As I wrote earlier, the Labour government:
- gave a knighthood to Sir Iqbal Sacranie who said on Radio 4 that he believed homosexuality to be “not acceptable” and same-sex civil partnerships to be “harmful”;
- was supported by observant or religious Muslim backgrounds, who are more likely than not to vote for and support the Labour Party;
– to placate their religious supporters, refused to speak out in relation to the Mohammed cartoons affair;
- failed to crack down on religious dogma being taught in science classes;
- proposed and rammed through Parliament a law to protect, ostensibly, religious hatred but which was proposed far wider than that and was a real threat to freedom of speech;
- appointed in January 2010 thirteen faith advisors to advise it on policy making;
- have done nothing to prevent the abuse of the Public Order Acts such that a man, Harry Taylor, was given a suspended sentenced prison sentence of six months for leaving anti-religious cartoons in an airport prayer room and was given an ASBO to prevent him from carrying religiously offensive material while Tohseef Shah, a religious Muslim man who daubed a war memorial with an incitement to kill Gordon Brown and with the message “Islam will dominate the world” was cleared of a religiously aggravated offence and given a two year conditional discharge;
- encouraged and procured the Pope to make a state visit to the UK; and
- Jim Murphy, the former Scottish Secretary said of religion, “it’s wrong to think that it plays no role in British politics”, using religion to win votes: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Jim-Murphy-plays-the-religion.6094584.jp.
This is not to support the Conservative Party or to take away from the real reforms for gay equality that the Labour Government enacted. It is a call for gay people to recognise the shortcomings in all parties and to engage with all wings of the political spectrum.
I hope he can !
More the question is why labour didn’t appeal to the gay vote even after continued negative news about the cons and the threat that a libdem vote meant a vote for Tory. They’re polling showed no improvement during the campaign, did it?
Perhaps a better gay manifesto from the lab party would have been more appropriate than the nasty homophobic comments and threats. We wanted something more from lab and after 13 yrs of lab in a majority govt we still have inequality. The progress on gay marriage is dispairing considering catholic countries like Spain already have one.
We were all looking for a better responses to the questions put to Brown and they didn’t come. I dispaired at Brown’s response to Andrew Archer’s question – In response to Downing St online petitions to introduce same-sex marriage, it was stated that the “government has no plans to introduce same-sex marriage”, because it has to “balance the right to live free from prejudice and discrimination with the right to freedom of speech and religion”.
Next time around, can’t labour focus on themsevles more, be a bit more positvie about gay marriage , leave the relgion part out of it. It reminded me more of a response from a cons MP and not a labour PM…
The Conservatives certainly do have a lot to prove. They could end up being so unpopular with the cuts and tax rises that they end up out for another generation. We all know, whoever got in it was going to be tough, I just felt Labour were too ‘economical’ with the truth over what has to happen. I really hope David Cameron proves to be a good Prime Minister and lives up to the most gay-friendly Conservative label as much as I think he will.
I think Dean is right
Vulpus_rex – the most repulsive was thatcher but you’ll disagree as she’s tory!
having the tories in power is terrible as many are religious and would push for christianity to be allowed to get away with evils like homophobia etc, plus LBGT rights would be either ignored or the hate-preachers would incite a lot more homophobia without anyone countering it
“cameron said marriage would be rewarded not cp”
However Dean, if you bother to actually follow what he said on the subject of marriage and civil partnerships, it was made absolutely clear that any reference to ‘marriage’ by the Conservatives also included civil partnerships.
Therefore any tax breaks (or anything else) applied to married couples will apply to civil partnerships as well.
I was hoping the Labour dis-information mill would dry up a little bit now the country had voted Labour out of power, but seemingly not.
got patrick james your attack dog mentality isn’t welcome in the Parliamentary Labour Party any longer so why not give it up here too?
Oh and Patrick: you know I’m a fvck1ng Transwoman so less of the phobic abuse Ofvck1ngK?
@73 Sister Mary Clarence. ACTUALLY dear, it was NOT in the Tories main election manifesto… So it remains to be seen what will actually be applied to civil partnerships..
“I was hoping the Labour dis-information mill would dry up a little bit now the country had voted Labour out of power, but seemingly not.”
…and why would you be hoping that?? I am sure that there are plenty of lesbian and gay people who be watching very carefully what the Tories do now they are in power… and will hold Mr Cameron to account for any moves that are either against us, or pro right-wing ´family values´ merchants.. and rightly so.
The election may well be over dear, but the Tories didn´t quite get the mandate from the British people that they were expecting or hoping for did they? I think that much rests on the Lib Dems now to keep the more right-wing Tories in check.
It´s his first full day ´in power´, to be fair, let´s wait and see what our new PM and his government actually DO now. (Before we start either crowing or complaining about his ´victory´)
The coming weeks/months will be difficult yet crucial to the Country and the Tories… As I said before, the electorate is a very unforgiving bunch, and unless Mr Cameron actually DELIVERS some of those election promises (which are so easy to make from the comfort of the opposition benches), then the Tories could be back in the political wilderness for perhaps a generation to come!
Time for the labour party to re-group, select a new leader, and take a period of calm reflection about both their past and future actions and policies. Then, emerge stronger and fitter at the next general election (possibly not as far away as is usually the case)… After all, Labour will not be needing such a monumental ´swing´ to re-gain power next time…will it?
brazil: Labour do indeed need to regroup and rediscover who they are. I can’t see this happening quickly and expect two terms of this Government.
For the common law, the courts will interpret the word “marriage” in a statute to refer also to civil partnerships.
Unless the Conservatives deliberately wrote into the enactment that marriage was not to include civil partnerships, then they would be included by virtue of the interpretation of the enactment by the courts.
I doubt that the Conservatives would deliberately exclude the definition of civil partnerships in any such enactment.
Today is a sad grey dawn for those who seek progress in the UK. The Liberal Democrats have taken on the role of government policemen. They must now continually be on guard against and continually counter the hungry desires of the backward Christian right-wing of the Tory Party. Will they be able to withstand that force? At the moment both Tory and LibDem leaders are speaking
optimistically of a happy and cooperative power-sharing coalition. But once business gets underway and as the months pass it remains to be seen just how much of a moderating influence the LibDems actually can exert and maintain against the right-wing Tory agenda.
GS – You go on about labour and asylum seekers. So you think your tory coallition is going to do better for your iragi gay men that you have a thing for? HA. You idiot. You’re going to be so dissapointed.
At least your illusion of the unrealisitic lib dem utopian society will be smashed in four years when you see what a mess your ‘happy’ coallition make of the country. I’m moving to america.
piss off to America then Jay – you’ll really see what Homophobia is there.
This is a disaster not only for the LGBT Community but for England in general. We shall see how the British population responds to the huge tax increases proposed by the Tories. A warning to all gays, be on your guard, the hunting session has opened for us all and we are the targets. I wonder how long it will take before there are riots on the streets, strikes etc. Sorry to see the Labour Party go – but there is always the next time
After urging us all to vote Liberal Torycrat, I bet Peter Tatchell feels really stupid now. I for one am certainly very relieved that I didn’t follow his banal advice.
Rich: and Labour didn’t increase tax? You may not be watching the news but the Tories are committed to the Lib Dem policy of making the first £10,000 earned Tax Free – effectively reversing Labour’s most iniquitis Tax rise.
Unless Clegg raises the marriage equality issue,I predict NO change on FULL equality, something that Cameron, just like Brown and Blair has never believed in. Clegg has made an enormous mistake and will alienate the more progressive gay voters if he remains silent. Another thing, if he thinks Cameron will agree to proportional representation, he’s deluding himself. You’ll never get that from any Tory.
Bob: they’ve agreed to a Referendum on AV.
Rich – _IF_ there is a hugh tax increase it is because Labour has failed this country. Miserably. Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling left this country with more debt than when they came to power 13 years ago. No surprise really. This is true for every single Labour government.
The Loonie Tax-and-spend Leftie lost. Get over it
@Bobbet – If you want to criticise policies go ahead. Otherwise it is just pointless reverse snobbery. Can’t believe people still buy into the leftie class war rhetoric
The 1997-2010 Labour administration was the most gay friendly in history. It repealed every law that discriminated against us, and provided us with full civil rights.
That large numbers of individuals posting on here refuse to recognise that saddens and angers me, as does the apparent support for ‘gay friendly’ Lib Dems.
By voting for the Con Dems gay support for Cameron didn’t plummet after all.
You’ll be begging for the next Labour government, and next time, I hope you can show a little more gratitude to the only mainstream party than did, and can make a difference to our rights and place in society.
#88 – well said MCC. And it was because of mandelson. The unsung hero of the last government.
This coallition is going to be such a joke it’s going to be funny, it’s going to be great living in this country – just for the laugh of it. Just watched the press conference with clegg and cameron. What a joke. Oh sh1t, I can’t believe the tory lib dem voters on here are thinking this is going to be good. They were like two little boys making a fool of themselves in front of the press. The media are going to have a field day. I’ll give this coallition six months maybe a year. It’s like a bad rebound relationship. Lets all look forward to cameron’s BIG SOCIETY imploding, whatever the fcuk that is.
@Jay – hope you’re boarding that plane to america. bye bye
Jay – there’s a link that showed his ‘big society’ was just right-wing fantasies
#91 – just checked his ‘big society’ ideas out, thanks. The ideas are as embarrassing as the press conference I’ve just seen. Cam’s a total jerk, and Nick Ceg has no idea what he has let himself in for – the deluded ‘rabbit in the headlights’ boy is going to be eaten by the etonian. This lib demotory coalition is going to be hilarious, Cam and Ceg should have their own saturday night comedy show replacing Ant and Dec. Hope they bring back spitting image now we have a new joke government, we’ve not had one for the last 13 years.
The problem is, no matter how funny these two fools are, this new government will make life harder for gay men. I wonder if the new tory equalities minister will try and bring back clause 28, she did try to stop it from being repealed. Gay equality?, not under this government.
No. 88 MCC….you said…”The 1997-2010 Labour administration was the most gay friendly in history. It repealed every law that discriminated against us, and provided us with full civil rights.”
FULL civil rights? How come we’re still banned from marrying? Neither Labour nor Tory party or StonewallUK support that and in so doing do NOT support FULL equality! At least Clegg stuck his neck out and said he supports it.
@Jay – do you have any concrete policy critique, or do you just write endless sour puss leftie nonsense. what time is your flight?
posters if you want to keep these bords relevant you’ll have to stop feeding the trolls there are 94 messages and half are from the same 2 bnp types. Admin please make posters have to register to stop multiple identities.
Anyone who fails to recognise that we live in a class system is missing a huge and important part of the real picture.
the old argument: if you don’t support Labour you are a BNP supporter.
What a fvck1ng joke!
oh god not fvck1ng CLASS! LABOUR is not being run by a member of the Nobility – the nobility.
The Con/ Lib coalition will put in place changes to Taxation that will benefit the lowest paid workers in the Country.
Class? You’re the one mentioning it, mate.
Class is kind of like sex – if you keep talking about it you probably don’t have enough of it ;-)
Theotherone and Mark: We shall see how true they are to their word. Somehow I have this nagging thing in my head called – I don’t trust them. I don’t think they are going to deliver – time will tell. In the meantime watch your back and be safe because there are some nasties out there who will take advantage of the Tories/Law and Justice alliance in Europe as an excuse to make our lives as unpleasant as possible. Perhaps I am wrong, but I am worried about the situation, for all of us.
Class indeed my little darlings. We don’t elect the queen do we? Some of us feel confortable talking about it.
May 12th, 2010 at 17:13
the old argument: if you don’t support Labour you are a BNP supporter.
I don’t remember naming anyone but if the cap fits mate.
‘posters if you want to keep these bords relevant you’ll have to stop feeding the trolls there are 94 messages and half are from the same 2 bnp types. Admin please make posters have to register to stop multiple identities.’
So as a committed anti-racist, organiser of Women Only Spaces at the G8 Protests, Community Organiser and out Queer I’m a BNP supporter am I? Your an odious, disgusting little man.
despite all the PR, the cap is still fitting
Your an odious, disgusting little man. – from you I’ll take that as a compliment.
My oh my how we do like to scream.
Debate? Who needs debate when we can throw personal insults and unfounded allegations you know you’ll never have to prove? I hoped your type had bit the dust along with Peter and Ally, seems not.
David Cameron tries to deflect criticism of major role in forming a group of far-right parties in the European parliament, the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR), by saying that this has nothing to do with social or human rights policies, but rather with opposing ‘a European super state’ and defending national sovereignty. He claims this absolves him from responsibility for the homophobia, anti-semitism, ultra-nationalism and repressive policies of these allied parties. This is evasive and misleading, for two reasons.
Firstly, Cameron’s alliance has strengthened these parties within their own countries, and given them a huge boost in spreading their message at the European level. Thus Michal Kaminski, leader of the Polish Law and Justice Party, was levered into being chairman of the ECR by Cameron, making him also a member of the powerful Conference of Presidents in the EU; he would have become a Vice-President of the European Parliament but for the rogue candidature of a dissident Conservative MEP (who has since left the party in disgust). The Polish gay activist Waldemar Zboralski has said that Kaminski is “the leading symbol of homophobia” in Poland.
Secondly, there is actually a strong connection between the social policies of the parties within the ECR and their ‘defence of national sovereignty’ against the EU. These rightwing parties are fully in favour of EU integration when it benefits business, for example movement of capital, privatisation and imperial adventures. The bit of ‘European federalism’ they object to is the (all-too-limited) social and human rights coming from Europe, including on matters of gender, sexuality and workers’ rights, embodied for example in the European Convention on Human Rights and the Social Chapter. Cameron’s membership of this frightening far–right block is thus very much about social and human rights – to block them.
Im rather interested to know how many people here voted for the conservatives since their support plummeted before the election
I did, but thats because i believed they could fix the economy even at the risk of me losing my rights if the parts is as homophobic as claimed