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Gay asylum seekers challenge UK’s policy in court

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  1. Pumpkin Pie 10 May 2010, 5:41pm

    Ugh. The very idea that somebody’s fate – whether they live or die – can be decided by some random jobsworth who doesn’t “have the right training” (and a healthy dose of their own prejudice, no doubt)… I find that rather chilling.

    Sending people back to violently homophobic countries is bad enough, but sending somebody back to a violently homophobic country that the UK helped create is just plain evil.

  2. herewegoagain 10 May 2010, 7:21pm

    wait til you see is story unfold.
    If the courts support their case and allows them to remain in the country EVERY other illegal immigrant will try the eaxct same things by claiming they are gay or lesbian.
    We have enought of our own homphobic problems here in the UK huh only over the weekend a 16yr old gay guy was killed by his mate ( he has been charged and apperaed in court today), so what chance have immigrants got if we cant even protect our own people from homophobic bullies.
    Claiming you are gay or lesbian is not enough to warrant immigrants to be allowed to remain in this country.

  3. Who on earth would risk their life coming from a country or countries where homosexuality is illegal and in many cases punishable by torture, execution or death if they are repatriated in the case of islamic societies,knowing that the UK is not that welcoming to those fleeing persecution or worse? Makes no sense. If I recall, Cameron said he’d look into this problem if elected. Well, why isn’t he speaking up? Just another campaign tactic to curry favour with gay voters. I’m glad he nor Brown received mine.

  4. The UK might has well have shipped them back in a casket cause its pretty much the same thing. I feel so bad for the people that make such a huge effort to even get out of such a homophobic place with all their parts intact only to find the place they thought would let them have asylum goes “here is a mask, now fake a quint little accent, move to the next village over and never have sex or kiss your partner and all will be well!” you can’t just tell someone to pretend to be something they are not their whole lives and expect them to not live an essential hell on earth.

  5. paul canning 11 May 2010, 2:00am

    @herewegoagain

    Are you gay? Just wondering as I’m wondering if you can imagine the fear if you fled Iran or Jamaica or Nigeria and the British government refuses to give you safe refuge here and you fear death if they return you? Imagine it! Hardly bears thinking about does it!

    The idea that ‘EVERY other illegal immigrant will try the eaxct same things’ is not only a mad illusion (it is, it VERY rarely happens) but can be dealt with by having properly trained case workers and agencies sort out any false claims from true ones.

    Only the TRUE ones are given our sanctuary. That’s right isn’t it? You agree that gays fleeing persecution deserve our sanctuary? Because the alternative is knowingly sending them back to their death.

  6. paul canning 11 May 2010, 2:04am

    @Dan

    They’re telling lesbians in countries like Iraq to put up (through forced marriage) with being raped. That’s what our ‘international LGBT rights’ supporting government is doing.

    What are the options for lesbian women in those societies? ‘Discretion’? Bullcrap. Where’s Harriet Harman or Cherie Blair when you need them?

  7. “Decisions are being made by Home Office case owners who lack essential training on dealing with such claims … The result is that lesbian and gay asylum seekers who are already experiencing persecution may also face discrimination in our own country.”

    ………………..Angela Mason

    There’s something here that boggles my mind.

    How do these incompetent “case workers” get these jobs in the first place??

    @herewegoagain:

    Where do you get off proclaiming what EVERY IMMIGRANT IS GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE??

    “Decisions are being made by Home Office case owners who lack essential training on dealing with such claims … The result is that lesbian and gay asylum seekers who are already experiencing persecution may also face discrimination in our own country.”

    Can you read?? Are you familiar with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights…or are you a right-wing homophobic religious nutter with an awful weird name??

    You disgusting coward.

  8. herewegoagain – immigrants aren’t asylum seekers
    people who fear for their lives should be allowed to stay and not just told to fake being hetero by homophobes and idiots!

  9. I know this probably going to sound heartless but to legally apply for asylum, you have to claim asylum in the first country that you come to.
    There is no way on earth that the UK is the first country that an Iraqi asylum seeker will get to. The first flights to Iraq only started up again last week.
    Many of the people claiming asylum seem to specifically choose the UK.

  10. I’m confused about that too.

    I thought an asylum seeker applied to the UN, and the UN guided him/her to one country or another.

    Then again, how could we possibly know about things like that? And do we really care?

    Personally, I think the Cameroonian and the Iranian have a case, and I hope those case workers get shafted and see how they like it.

  11. Pumpkin Pie 11 May 2010, 4:28pm

    Many of the people claiming asylum seem to specifically choose the UK.

    Based on what? The fact that you live here and only get to hear about the asylum seekers that come to this country? Sorry if that sounds snarky, but I wonder how many other people in different countries have had that same thought.

    What Jean-Paul said rings a bell. I seem to recall that, on escaping their own country, asylum seekers contact UN representatives in the first “friendly” country and then their transferral is arranged from there. Countries like Turkey have a whole bunch of safe houses set up for that kind of thing. Might be wrong, though.

    Given that most safe and dangerous countries make up large geographical groups, it would be blatantly unfair if asylum seekers had to remain in the first safe country they got to. Those few safe countries which border danger zones wouldn’t be able to cope, and meanwhile, the vast majority of countries like Britain, thousands of miles from the nearest danger zone, could just sit there twiddling their thumbs. Think about it: if something catastrophic happened to France, Britain would be the first country that a hell of a lot of them came to. Just think how utterly swamped we’d be. That’s why the “first safe country” rule doesn’t exist.

  12. m-m, I think you’re onto something.

    In the first place, I just don’t see a gay refugee jumping an airline to the UK. Gay refugees literally leave everything behind, including bank accounts.

    And yes, I have heard that Turkey does have safe houses, or flats, where living conditions are not exactly ideal, and where the extended waiting periods can drive anyone insane. It can’t be easy. Also, I’ve heard that Turkey is not as gay-friendly as we think it is.

    Then to finally arrive in a so-called friendly country in such an emotional state, to be rejected and told to return to point “A”.

    It’s like Paul Canning says @5:

    “…I’m wondering if you can imagine the fear if you fled Iran or Jamaica or Nigeria and the British government refuses to give you safe refuge here and you fear death if they return you? Imagine it! Hardly bears thinking about does it!”

  13. This is an appeal to our Supreme Court, which is (and has an excellent reputation for being) liberal and sympathetic, when it can be. The Court of Appeal, which made the decision that they had to send them back, was bound by legal precedent; the Supreme Court is not. Fingers crossed!

  14. BrazilBoysBlog 15 May 2010, 10:37pm

    This is disgusting discrimination of the worst kind. I am a Labour supporter and do feel that the last Labour government did so much for LGBT rights… However, this was one area in which they were very wrong.

    You cannot send someone back to face certain persecution and possible death just because they are lesbian or gay. Doing so puts us in breach of our international obligations as well as being morally evil.

    …And to say ´why should we let lesbian and gay asylum seekers stay here when we can´t protect our own lesbian and gay citizens is just plain lunacy. That is a completely different subject. Yes, we still need to do more to combat homophobia in our own country, but last time I checked, the UK does not have state-sanctioned murder and torture of gay people?

    I really cannot get my head around the right-wing ´send em back´ brigade attitude on this, but to hear even ONE other GAY person utter such rubbish is incredible!

    Imagine for one second it was YOU (yes, okay I realise it might not be fashionable in this me, me, me world to think about someone else, but indulge me for a second…)

    The country you live in treats your life as being worth less than a dogs.. The government approves of this, you can expect no help from the police, forget being refused entry to a b&b, you could be KILLED just for asking… Just for who you love, just for being gay.

    You finally manage to escape such a regime.. You finally make it to another country that does not institutionally hate and detest you for being who you truly are… Only to be sent back by that country to face certain persecution and possible death in your home country… (and then to hear fellow gays and lesbians AGREEING with this!)

    Hang your heads in SHAME!

    Remember the case of the Iranian gay teenager a few months ago that the (labour) government was going to deport? Remember that he escaped his country after his boyfriend was killed? Well, after a prolonged campaign by the lesbian and gay community, he was granted leave to stay here..

    One question:

    If his case was correctly judged in the first place, then why did the government change it´s mind? If they were right, then surely they would have deported him anyway?

    Or, was it that their immigration policy was shown up for the homophobic, evil policy that it actually is?

    Will the Tories look at this any differently? I don´t know. Their ´get tough´ on immigration patter would not seem to point to it being fairly looked at..

    However, this is not a case of ´throw out the asylum seekers´, this is a case of being FAIR, being just, demonstrating to the rest of the world that Britain does NOT discriminate against LGBT people and is prepared to meet it´s international obligations with honour.

    Over to you, Mr Cameron.

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