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  1. Why has that exremist bigot Philippa Stroud not been sacked from the Tories yet?

    Why has that homophobic bigot Chris Grayling not been sacked from the Tories yet?

    Why has that bigot Julian Lewis not been sacked from the Tories yet?

    Why has that homophobe Iain Duncan Smith not been sacked from the Tories yet?

    Why has that homophobic bigot Andrew Brogden not been sacked from the Tories yet?

    The disgustingly homophobic Conservative Party only promises to ‘consider’ allowing marriage equality. That is not a commitment to anything.

    And Pink News need to stop reprinting Tory press releaes verbatim.

    What exactly have the Tories promised to do? Nothing.

    Considering the disgusting Tory bigots mentioned already, (and looking at David Cameron’s frankly pathetic voting record on LGT issues, no sensible LGBT person could EVER consider voting Tory.

    A vote for the Tory Party is a vote for homophobic bigotry.

  2. I’m still voting lib dems but hope that people start realising that there is no future LGBT improvements with labour, what you have now is the best its going to get. CPs are a sign of discrimination, gay marriage is true equality and is the ONLY major gay issue in the UK. Bring in that and we’ll have true equality. THe UK is no longer homophic, get over it. Yes, there are homophobes, yes there ae people that dislike fat people , yes there are other idiots who get too much publicity. Cameron isn’t one of them…. As for a committment to helping gays abroad, I for one have had a lot of help from Hannan and Chichester (tories) to get the CP recognised in France. Lib dems and Greens as well. Sorry someone help me find any questions from a lab mep on this issue and by the way most of the help came from straights! PS gravy train leaves Westminster early on Friday , take all old baggage with you…. journey may take 5 years or more …..

  3. Oh and Pink News – the opening sentence of your story reads:

    “The Conservative Party have once again decided to reach out to the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered issues) with an equality manifesto that promises to consider the case for civil partnerships to be renamed as civil marriages.”

    Please explain how ANYONE could believe that ‘considering’ a topic is ‘reaching out’ to the LGBT population.

    The LGBT population would overwhelmingly support marriage equality. Considering how the Tory Party is filled with homophobic scum like Philippa Stroud, a promise to ‘consider’ allowing marriage equality is too little, too late.

    A vote for the Conservative Party is a vote for homophobic bigotry.

  4. Yep they might consider it.
    I considered going to the gym this morning… I didn’t go in the end but just the act of considering it made me feel 20 times as fit.
    The tories had a long time since 1967 to consider LGBT rights and thus far their voting record shouts so loud I can’t hear what they say anymore.

  5. John(Derbyshire) 3 May 2010, 1:13pm

    Alan-the UK may no longer be homophobic-but by god-they still have them in the tory party! And whats even more disappointing is that the NEW intake of Tories looks as equally homophobic as those departing. God help us when they are in power! We will be their first targets.

  6. Patrick James 3 May 2010, 1:33pm

    I think the “consideration” will stop on Friday :)

    It is important to realise that despite the massive Conservative press coverage suggesting that the Conservative party is doing well, in fact looking at the opinion polls the Conservatives are unlikely to achieve an outright majority at Westminster.

    This means that they are now desperate. They know that a surprisingly small number of votes could make all the difference between putting them in power at Westminster or creating a hung parliament.

    I do think that in this election every vote counts in preventing the Conservative party taking power.

    Because we have the First Past the Post electoral system it means that if you live in a marginal constituency then you really need to vote tactically to stop the Conservatives, this means voting Labour or Lib Dem depending which is most likely to prevent that seat being won by the Conservative party.

    So, how do you know if you live in a marginal and who is best placed to stop the Conservatives?

    There is now this very excellent website:

    Stop Dave

    You can put your post code in there and it will advise of the party in your constituency most likely to prevent the Conservative party taking the seat.

    Alternatively you can download a list of the 100 “battleground seats” here:

    Battleground Seats (Word Doc)

    and make up your own mind based on the statistics presented.

  7. good greif what a load of bollokcs and clegg will go into a coalition with dave. vote clegg get shafted

  8. BrazilBoysBlog 3 May 2010, 1:44pm

    I am no fan of the Conservatives. I have made that quite clear on many previous comments. I could not bring myself to vote for them as I consider them to be the 3rd most homophobic party.. (the BNP and UKIP being 1st and 2nd).

    However, to be fair, this does address my major criticism of the Tories during this election, that they have put nothing down on paper as any kind of commitments to lesbian and gay people.

    Yes, it may be PR, yes it may be little more than window dressing, but IMAGINE the very idea of the Conservative party of a few years ago releasing any kind of gay manifesto document! Unthinkable.

    I now believe that David Cameron IS trying to bring his party, kicking and screaming into modern times… As he himself said, ´Is it far enough?´ probably not.

    I cannot bring myself to vote tory, really can´t. I will be following Peter Tatchells advice and voting tactically. Probably for the Lib Dems..

    If the polls are to be believed (and they have got it wrong before!) the tories are going to be able to form a government with probably a small majority. If that is the case, it does hearten me to see that David Cameron realizes that ´we ARE here, we ARE queer´ and we´re NOT just interested in shopping!

    In order to ever get MY vote at any time in the future, the tories would have to actually put some of their (now written) promises into practice… They would need to put their votes where their PR is….

    As a lifelong Labour supporter, I agree with some on here that they need to go… They need a period in either opposition, or at least with their wings severely clipped in a hung parliament. When you have it for too long, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Gordon Brown must go. He is not good for the Labour party, he is not good for Britain. He is an unelected Prime Minister who got into Number 10 by the back door, whilst pushing Tony Blair out the front door. He thought he could do a better job and his sense of entitlement is very bad for Britain. He clearly is NOT any good as a Prime Minister, or as leader of the Labour Party.

    Whatever the outcome of this election, hung parliament, tory majority or whatever, Gordon Brown needs to GO.

  9. Mumbo Jumbo 3 May 2010, 2:04pm

    OK so the leadership “considers” it.

    Then, for arguments sake, let’s say they decide it’s a good idea.

    Then they have to put the necessary legislation to a vote in a House of Commons dominated by their own MPs who have a proven record of voting against LGBT equality issues.

    *wheels come off*

    Then, in the unlikely event they manage to get past this hurdle, it goes to a House of Lords (complete with bishops) that the Conservatives have no plans to reform.

    *crashes into tree*

  10. Gay Bar Steward 3 May 2010, 2:05pm

    Consider the words, “Promise” and “Consider”.

    Didn’t labour “promise” a vote on the EU Treaty.

    This they rescinded.

    Promises that do not forth come are just as less than
    considerations.

    EG: Wife beater to Wife conversation.

    “I promise that I will not beat you. But I must consider it.”

    Sorry, but this does not compute for me.

    Stinky old rich boy club Tories.

  11. bbb “He is an unelected Prime Minister who got into Number 10 by the back door,

    actually at the last election it was vote Blair get brown. they did that dreadful ppb when they weren’t the best of friends and Blair was very unpopular everyone knew Blair was stepping down

  12. This election if people are considering voting for The Tories they should remember:

    Vote Cameron, Get Philippa Stroud.

    Philippa Stroud is the true hideous, bigotted face of the Tory Party.

    She is extremist scum.

    She is a far more accurate reflection of the truly disgusting bigotry of the Conservative Party.

    Vote Tory at your peril.

  13. I would make the point that it’s well established in British politics that one Prime Minister can be succeeded by another from the same party without a General election taking place. Brown followed Blair that way (and at least we knew it would happen), just as Major followed Thatcher in 1990. Before that, Callaghan followed Wilson in 1976, Douglas-Home follwed Macmillan, Macmillan followed Eden, and of course Churchill in 1940 and his predecessor Chamberlain both became PM without calling an election. It is in fact the British way.

    But the point I really want to make here is that just as “upto 50% off” can mean 1% off, 5% off or on rare occasions genuinely 50% off, so the Tory suggestion that “they will consider” marriage reform can so easily mean “we’ll consider it until after the election, then Philippa Stroud, Iain Duncan Smith, William Hague and the Christian Right who’ve bankrolled us will tell David Cameron that he’ll never get the idea of marriage equality through a Tory-run House of Commons, and anyway we hate you gayboys and lesbians so f*** off’.

    It would have been so easy for the Tories to limit criticism by simply saying ‘we WILL do this, regardless’, but that’s just what they have not done and once again that can only serve to remind us that they want our votes, but have never given us theirs.

  14. Why hasn’t Philippa Stroud been sacked by the Conservative Party for the psychological and physical abuse of vulnerable people in her care?

    This is confirmation that the Tories condone her revolting bigotry.

  15. Jean-Paul 3 May 2010, 2:53pm

    Ditto.

  16. Cameron wants gay rights taught in schools. Labour has rejected this. Cameron wants to do away with crimes on the books for past homophobic laws. Labour has rejected this.

    Conservatives will change civil marraige to full gay marraige unlike labour.

    99 percent of the new tory candidates are socially liberal as cameron changed the party.

    Nic Herbert who is gay will be the home secretary not chris grayling. Herbert is going to go to poland for a gay rights rally.

    Cameron has called for u.s to end don’t ask don’t tell policy.

    There are projected to be over 20 gay tory mp’s at the electon more than any other party.

    Cameron is very socially liberal and will be the most friendly gay PM ever. Osborne is very socially liberal.

    I can’t wait until this election is over because if given the chance Cameron will do away with the smears against him as some nasty man and that the tories are still stuck in the 80’s when there are so many new diverse socially liberal candidates who are smeared by a few bad apples who have no power.

  17. Tim Hopkins 3 May 2010, 4:36pm

    Does anyone have a link for this equality manifesto? I may be being dense but I can’t see a link in the Pink News article, and google hasn’t so far found me anything apart from the Pink News piece and pieces copied from it!

    Thanks!

  18. philippa stroud has no chance to be an mp. The lib dem has a 7 percent lead and all polls show no lib dems losing their seats to tories.

  19. @ Patrick James – “(Reuters) – Britain’s opposition Conservatives are making a late surge in key swing seats, suggesting it could be on course for a narrow but outright win in Thursday’s parliamentary election, a poll published on Monday showed.”

    An outright win predicted there. But there are still three days to go.

    Life will go on after May 6th, whoever gets in. If the Tories have a majority we won’t be getting carted off to a prison camp for gays with all pro-gay legislation repealed and civil partnerships cancelled as some of the shrill Labour activist types would have us believe with their scare tactics. And that is what frightens them: they are going to lose control of the LGBT vote when a whole generation discovers that progress continues under the Tories just as it has, on the whole, continued for the last 40 years whoever was in power.

    Voting LibDem on May 6th

  20. I am on the Tories’ mailing list and have just had yet another email from them! They are working like fcuk! I have had about six strong emails from Cameron, Gove, and Osborne over the last four weeks. This afternoon’s comes from that chinless prat Osborne. This is what he says, amongst other things:

    “I know you’re already working incredibly hard, but now we all have to work harder. I want us to fight to persuade every single voter that is still undecided, make use of every single hour that remains to campaign, and not pause for breath until the polling stations are shut.”

    The email advises that from now until the Polls shut the Tories are going to be campaigning non-stop. And there isn’t a word in there about all their 37+ Christian Fundamentalist candidates and their Christian Fundamentalist donors and their plans to re-organize Britain along Christian lines, giving Christians their “right” to treat queers with the derision they think we deserve.

    No, they’re keeping all that well and truly hidden. They’re trying hard to get back in by banging away at that “Five more years of Gordon Brown!” slogan, as if that were the worst thing on earth and if there is not a single other person in the Labour Party!

    Vote tactically. Vote for whichever party in your constituency is likely to keep the Tories from winning in YOUR constituency.

    The Tories are SO HELL-BENT on winning they COULD!

    They are treating this like a REAL RACE and they are going to put all every sinew of strength now into the final sprint.

    What the FCUK are WE doing to beat them?

    Everybody who is on Twitter and Facebook, send out messages regularly about the Guardian’s article of 2 May which exposes that the Tory party has a core of Fundamentalist Christians!

    Do YOU want Britain to be subjected to the kind of raving Christian fundamentalist shyte that goes on at Alpha courses?

    Have a look at what the Tories are linked to!

    http://uk.alpha.org/

  21. By the way has anyone else noticed that the ‘latest comments’ list seems to have vanished from the front page?

    Voting LibDem on May 6th

  22. “consider”??

    Why would anyone need to ‘consider’ whether it’s fair that gay people are prevented from entering into a legal (not religious) marriage solely because of their sexuality?

    If Cameron wants to encourage LGBT voters, then how about ditching the homophobes in his party and those who can’t tell fact from fairytales (yes, Stroud).

  23. D Lambert 3 May 2010, 4:52pm

    Some people would like you to believe that the Tory party has changed, but their voting records simply do not reflect this.

    How many other top Tories are yet to be unmasked.

    It’s simply not a risk worth taking.

  24. Folks, have just been looking at The Alpha website (linked to the Tory donor) and I was surprised to see that they list on their endorsements page a quote from The Guardian:

    “What Alpha offers, and what is attracting thousands of people, is permission, rare in secular culture, to discuss the big questions – life and death and their meaning.”

    I could not believe any journalist at The Guardian would write such a thing without the context being negative, so I did a search of the entire site and the above quote does not appear ANYWHERE on the Guardian’s website.

    One can therefore conclude it is most probably a lie.

    These Tories and these Fundamentalist Christians play dirty in order to win.

  25. @ D Lambert – I disagree. It’s a ‘risk’ well worth taking. In fact I would happily have Thatcher back rather than another five years of Gordon Brown and New Labour. They have very nearly destroyed our country and coming generations — whether LGBT or straight — are going to pay for it.

    Voting LibDem on May 6th

  26. Patrick James, you’re a gem!

    People, please post the following URL around by any and every means that you can! NOW!

    http://torymergency.webfreehosting.net/

    Text it!

    Twitter it!

    Email it!

    Phone it!

    Fax it!

    The Tories are lying scum you are playing dirty and they have to be stopped.

    PinkNews is run by a pro-Tory. Most people who read PinkNews don’t look at the Comments. They therefore will BELIEVE that those “lovely” Tories are truly “reaching out” to us. Like hell they are! They’re just desperate for our votes.

  27. Dean, I sincerely believe that IF Clegg were to go into coalition with the Conservatives he and the members of his party, the LibDems, would have very worthwhile controlling influence over that party of Tory Christian Fundamentalists. So don’t worry about Clegg being in a Coalition with the Tories. It would be better for LGBTs of course if Clegg were in a Coalition with Labour.

  28. GS – Labour’s better then that homophobic dragon Thatcher! she would be worse then ever

  29. Pink News really has exposed itself during this election campaign.

    It should not be viewed as an independent news source.

    It should be viewed as an arm of the Tory Party.

    Yet despite their relentlessly pro-Tory reporting the facts speak for themselves.

    Thanks to the truly revolting, dangerous bigotry of scum like Chris Grayling, Philippa Stroud, Iain Duncan Smith, Andrew Brigden and Julian Lewis (not to mention Callmedave’s abysmal record on LGBT voting) the level of support among the LGBT population for the Tories has collapsed from 39% to 9% in 10 months.

    Sad and pathetic that Pink News is so supportive of a party which truly hates them.

  30. BrazilBB, you said “it does hearten me to see that David Cameron realizes that ´we ARE here, we ARE queer´ and we´re NOT just interested in shopping!” Brazil, you have no idea how desperate they are right now! I have just received an email from George Osborne. The Tories are working non-stop right through until the polls close on Thursday. They really are going for it, pulling all the plugs out, and if that means rushing out a bit of paper to the queers to get more of our 3.6 million votes, they will . . . and have! Don’t be fooled, man. I know you’re not going to vote for them, but don’t be fooled nevertheless. Keep in mind the revelations of the past two days: funded by a Christian fundamentalist, and 37+ Tory candidates who are linked to Christian fundamentalist organizations. They don’t love queers, BrazilBB. No way. But they DO crave our votes!

  31. No jason you say ‘I can’t wait until this election is over because if given the chance Cameron will do away with the smears against him as some nasty man ‘ but in fact once the election is over and if Cameron has won it’s the REAL Conservatives who DO AWAY with him – like DavidW points out. Don;’t ignore the facts that have come out: the Tory party is full of Christian fundies

  32. GS, you say the ‘latest comments’ list seems to have vanished from the front page. I’m not surprised. Benjamin Cohen, the owner of PinkNews, runs this website and watches it closely and he’s a rich boy who is all for the Tories. It really pis*es him off that the Comments threads are working against what he is trying to do.

  33. @ Eddy – I have access to Newsbank which is scans of all the printed pages in The Guardian going back to 1998 and searchable. I couldn’t find that quote in the printed edition either.

    Voting LibDem on May 6th

  34. @ Sharon – I’m not sure that Pink News and Ben Cohen are biased one way or another. Anyway there is no obligation on him or this website to be ‘impartial’. Just as there isn’t on the various newspapers.

    As I’ve said before, since when has the gay media been impartial? For as long as I can remember it has been overwhelmingly pro-Labour. But things are changing.

    Interesting to consider what has happened to the printed gay media while Labour has been in office. We’re left with free wank mags and property brochures.

    There are lots of websites. Why isn’t there a credible rival to Pink News?

  35. D Lambert 3 May 2010, 5:46pm

    @GS that would be that Thatcher that destroyed the NHS, privatised everything else into the hands of the rich and set up a financial system that has almost destroyed society out of sheer greed.

  36. GS, good. I have written to The Guardian and advised them there is a possibility they are being misquoted or quoted out of context and may like to follow the issue up.

    I hope Sharon doesn’t mind me posting what she’s posted on another thread:

    Here is the programme of “The Alpha Course” which is chaired and run by one of the Tory Party’s major donors:

    Week 1 Who is Jesus?
    Week 2 Why did Jesus Die?
    Week 3 How can we have Faith?
    Week 4 Why and how do I Pray?
    Week 5 Why and how should I read the Bible?
    Week 6 How does God Guide us?
    Week 7 How can I Resist Evil?
    Week 8 Why and how should I tell Others?
    Week 9 Does God Heal Today?
    Week 10 What about the Church?

    Do you think there’s some nice cosy space for us queers in there? Not bloody likely.

    Don’t vote Tory. I’m not.

    I’m with you there, Sharon. But the thing is we have to get all this OUT THERE rather than just relying on a few LGBTs wondering in to PinkNews and possibly reading through the Comments.

    Post the Alpha News story to everyone you know.

    Post the StopDave link to everyone you know.

  37. This is what the Conservative ‘Equality Manifesto’ says about women’s equality:-

    Action to ensure gender equality

    Labour have failed to deliver gender equality. Today women are paid on average 16.4 per cent less than men

    1 Women make up just 12 per cent of FTSE 100 directors, just 20 per cent of MPs, and less than a third of senior civil servants

    2 At the same time women remain at a disproportionately high risk of suffering from domestic violence, stalking or rape.

    A Conservative government will bring new energy and ideas to succeed where Labour have failed.

    Wonder why not one single Conservative MEP favoured gender equality when they had a chance to vote on it in February????

    Perhaps David Cameron would care to explain????

  38. Huge difference between “considering” and “supporting” civil marriage equality. Now,if Cameron were supportive, why not state it NOW and draw a lot more votes away from Labour, even if he said he’d commit to having partnerships recognised as marriages, at least that would be a positive step forward, unlike Labour. If he did that, he would get my vote on that one issue alone, but for now, I remain sceptical.

  39. Please pass the following on to everyone you know:
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    Have you heard today’s news that The Alpha Course (the nationwide Christian Fundamentalist course) is chaired and run by a Kenneth Costa who also chairs Lazard International, one of the world’s biggest financial advisory and asset management firms, AND who is a major donor behind the Tories?

    The chances are that he will wish to collect if the Tories get into power. He will wish to see the Tories push an agenda that is favourable to Christian Fundamentalists. And that’s bad news for LGBTs in Britain.

    Don’t vote Tory. Vote tactically. Visit
    http://torymergency.webfreehosting.net

  40. @ D Lambert – yes the Thatcher that did all the bad things. But in some ways Labour has been even worse. Civil liberties under attack, surveillance state, lies taking us into an illegal war with hundreds of thousands killed. I didn’t mean things were perfect under Thatcher. But you have to weigh up everything (not just gay issues).

    And people don’t realise the possible consequences of this national debt that Labour has got us into. In 1950 after WW2 we owed about £3.4bn to the USA and Canada (equivalent to about £80bn now). It took us over 50 years to repay it at (a very attractive) 2% interest (Greece is having to pay interest at credit card levels). Total paid: £4.8bn. The last payment was in 2006.

    Our national debt now is £950bn. That is 950 thousand million! Equivalent to £16,000 for every single person in the UK.

    That isn’t the whole story either. The hospitals and schools that Ed Balls and Brown talk about have been built under PFI and haven’t been paid for yet! One new hospital in Birmingham alone will cost a couple of Billions.

    The danger is that if Labour was elected for another five years Brown might keep digging an even bigger hole. Having lost, the Tories would get rid of Cameron and swing to the right. Maybe five years on the population would be ready for someone really nasty and extremely right wing.

    So I’m not going to be losing sleep if the Tories get elected.

    Voting LibDem locally and nationally on May 6th!

  41. Don’t bother voting labour if you want true equality with straight people, they’re totally opposed to gay marriage – I’d prefer a debate on the subject rather than nothing at all, labour aren’t offerring anything new to LGBT people – http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/09/civil-partnership-rights-austria-uk – “ The government attempted to prevent same-sex couples in other countries from gaining the right to enter into civil partnerships, the Guardian has learned. Despite the fact that civil partnerships are recognised under UK law, the government made legal submissions to the European court of human rights arguing that Austria should not have an obligation to provide the same rights to same-sex couples there. The move is at odds with its own professed commitment to equality for lesbians, gay and bisexual people,” … “The government was challenging the claim of an Austrian couple, Horst Schalk and Johann Kopf, that Austria has violated their right to a private and family life, the right not to suffer discrimination, and the right to marry”. …”the government is still arguing that the court should not require European states to allow marriage for same-sex couples. It has told the court that the right to marry refers to “the traditional marriage between persons of the opposite biological sex …

  42. de Villiers 3 May 2010, 6:33pm

    There are some on this board who are convinced that the entire Conservative Party is homophobic as are all those who vote for it.

    If so, there would be no advantage in the Conservatives making this statement. It would be bad for them, two-fold. First, it would make no difference to those gay people who already disliked them. Second, it would alienate all those natural, presumed homophobic supporters, who already support the Conservatives – driving them to less palatable parties such as UKIP or to not voting.

    Yet the Conservative Party leadership has publicly stated on several occasions that they have behaved badly towards us in the past, that they need to improve themselves in the future, and now that they would consider changing civil partnerships into civil marriage.

    Such public statements challenge homophobia. The Conservative Party probably benefits little from them politically – as can be seen from some of the more vociferous comments on this board. Yet the Party has made these statements, publicly, and has visibly disagreed with those who have espoused homophobia.

  43. This makes interesting reading on Mr. Cameron

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/cameron+toff+at+the+top/328047

    Against Section 28 in 2000?

    He is only saying that the Tories will consider “civil marriage” in order to gain votes. He ought not to make promises which he cannot keep…although, after all he is a politician.

  44. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/09/civil-partnership-rights-austria-uk – “ The government attempted to prevent same-sex couples in other countries from gaining the right to enter into civil partnerships, the Guardian has learned. Despite the fact that civil partnerships are recognised under UK law, the government made legal submissions to the European court of human rights arguing that Austria should not have an obligation to provide the same rights to same-sex couples there. The move is at odds with its own professed commitment to equality for lesbians, gay and bisexual people,” … “The government was challenging the claim of an Austrian couple, Horst Schalk and Johann Kopf, that Austria has violated their right to a private and family life, the right not to suffer discrimination, and the right to marry”. …”the government is still arguing that the court should not require European states to allow marriage for same-sex couples. It has told the court that the right to marry refers to “the traditional marriage between persons of the opposite biological sex …

  45. In other manifestos the Conservatives have promised atheists that they will “consider” repealing the Bible and have promised fundamentalist Christians that they will “consider” repealing evolution and the second law of thermodynamics and any other pesky scientific facts that might make the nutty faithful uncomfortable.

    The fact “consider” is politician speak for “I’ll promise to look at it as long as I’m on the campaign but it has less than a snowball’s chance in hell of getting true and honest consideration once I’m elected.”

    Only a FOOL would take such a statement seriously.

  46. Gs – for many the ‘gay’ issues are what matters to them

  47. D Lambert 3 May 2010, 6:53pm

    @GS, Only when David Cameron realised that an outright win for the Tories was not going to be possible did he realise a need to gain support from minorities.

    The pronouncement on Section 28 and the recent apparent change in wind direction on such issues is more than a little suspicious. I suspect top Tories were scrutinising the Barack Obama campaign and thought that they could gain some extra votes.

    However, President Obama’s campaign was a little more sincere, even if some pledges are still to be met. Both Barack and Michelle made significant speeches to the LGBT community.

    Contrast this to David’s bumbling Gay Times interview, Tories voting record and other recent homophobic comments.

    Cameron provides the Tories with a thin veneer of acceptability. Underneath however, is less than acceptable.

  48. Why hasn’t labour given us gay marriage after all these years of majority government, are they so out of touch with the main gay issue in the UK….for heaven’s sake, wake up to reality… we’re getting nowwhere with them…

  49. de Villiers 3 May 2010, 7:15pm

    > He is only saying that the Tories will consider “civil marriage” in order to gain votes.

    If, as is stated, the Conservative Party is a homophobic party with a large homophobic client-base then they would risk losing more votes from the said homophobic base then they would gain from the minority of gay voters who are, if this board is representative, mostly on the left.

    Alternatively, the Conservative Party is not the homophobic party as claimed and such a base of client-voters is exaggerated.

  50. no self respecting gay person should ever vote Tory..”Call me Dave” can’t get his story straight, lies and has proven bigoted christofascist homophobes in his prospective government.
    He’s all fluff, bollocks and spin.

    Vote Tactically on Thursday..Lib Dem or Labour but NEVER Tory

  51. Do the conservatives think I’m fuᴄking stupid?

  52. Jonathan2 3 May 2010, 8:34pm

    You can forget Civil Partnerships being replaced by Marriage. This is now not going to happen.. It was a SkyNews interview ~19:28.

    Cameron will not rename civil partnerships
    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/artic…for_fools.html
    ——-
    Mr Cameron said that he was not planning to rename civil partnerships as civil marriage, as some papers had been speculating
    “We are not planning that. I think that civil partnerships are excellent thing because they give gay people the opportunity to form a partnership and have some of the advantages of marriage. I think that is right. I am very happy to have a look at how we can take policy forward… but I think where we are at the moment, I think has dealt with one of the great unfairnesses. So we should look to the future cautious about whether we can build on that.
    ———
    As far as I’m concerned he’s saying – you’ve got Civil Partnerships – that’s all you’re getting.

    I guess we can start feeding the equality manifesto through the shredder. If you know someone who is Gay and voting Tory – please let them know.

  53. Pumpkin Pie 3 May 2010, 8:42pm

    If the Tories are so gay-friendly, would anyone mind telling me why they voted against the Equality Bill? Call me crazy, but I’m going to do the sensible thing and use logic to work this one out.

    The Tories voted against us on just about every single bit of legislation aimed at making the lives of LGBT people safer and easier. And I’m not talking Thatcher years here, I’m talking about the present day.

    So, given that they vote against us when it counts, and hypocritically offer us meaningless little platitudes only during their election campaign, anyone care to tell me how this not only shows they’re not homophobic, but also pro-LGBT? Because I can’t work it out. I used logic. Maybe some of you are using different methods.

  54. Where is Squidgy…..has he been banned. He hasn’t been heard from since he posted #111 as Wiley on the other thread.
    Thats all the tory trolls seen off ‘cept vulva_leaks and its only a matter of time for her……………………

  55. Jonathan2, can you provide that link again, please. Just paste it in complete. No need to use html around it.

    Sue, thanks for that link. I’ve emailed it to about 50 people.

    Don’t vote Tory. Vote tactically. Visit
    http://torymergency.webfreehosting.net

  56. I’m sorry about the link – don’t know what happened.
    Here’s a short version.

    http://bit.ly/cfNy0k

  57. Mumbo Jumbo 3 May 2010, 10:30pm

    Comment#48 by Alan

    “Why hasn’t labour given us gay marriage after all these years of majority government, are they so out of touch with the main gay issue in the UK….for heaven’s sake, wake up to reality… we’re getting nowwhere with them…”

    The reason is simple.

    Given the level of opposition (at he time – particularly in the Conservative and bishop dominated House of Lords – it would have been impossible to get the legislation through Parliament.

    Politics is the art of the possible and full LGBT equality might never be possible until Parliament (particularly the House of Lords) is reformed – something the Conservatives oppose.

  58. Mumbo Jumbo 3 May 2010, 10:33pm

    “Fat finger” alert – please ignore previous post

    Comment#48 by Alan

    “Why hasn’t labour given us gay marriage after all these years of majority government, are they so out of touch with the main gay issue in the UK….for heaven’s sake, wake up to reality… we’re getting nowwhere with them…”

    The reason is simple.

    Given the level of opposition at the time – particularly in the Conservative and bishop dominated House of Lords – it would have been impossible to get the legislation through Parliament.

    Politics is the art of the possible and full LGBT equality might never be possible until Parliament (particularly the House of Lords) is reformed – something the Conservatives oppose.

  59. Not enough to sway me (I’m quite reasonably skeptical), but I am heartened that:
    a] It just one-in-a-million might lead somewhere in a Tory/Lib coalition.
    b] One of the big 3 party’s even mentioning this might provoke the others to make similar/more-feasible pledges.

  60. @ D Lambert wrote “Only when David Cameron realised that an outright win for the Tories was not going to be possible did he realise a need to gain support from minorities.”

    Not true, according to the Guardian (July 7, 2009) in his first conference speech as party leader Cameron spoke “about the importance of marriage, he added that the commitment was as important for gay couples as for those who are straight. The conference audience applauded.”

    As I’ve said before, I reckon the vast majority of (none activist/none pink pounder) LGBT people see gay marriage issue as nice to have but not a deal breaker and something that doesn’t affect them directly. There were only 7,169 civil partnerships in the UK in 2008. Up to the end of 2008 there had been 33,956. Out of 2.7m gay and lesbian people in the UK according to government figures (though how that is determined who knows).

    Voting LibDem on May 6th

  61. That’s 2.7m over 18.

  62. This is what the tory cabinet think of us –

    Nearly a third of David Cameron’s shadow cabinet voted against gay rights legislation at some point over the last two parliaments, demonstrating their “shameful” record in tackling discrimination, according to the Liberal Democrats.

    They have compiled research on four examples of legislation where many Tories voted against equal rights laws. Chris Huhne, the Lib Dem home affairs spokesman, said progress on gay rights would “grind to a halt” if the Conservatives won the election. “The Tory record on supporting gay rights is nothing short of shameful,” he said. The Lib Dem research shows:

    • Ten out of 32 members of the shadow cabinet voted against at least one piece of gay rights legislation. The shadow Europe minister, Mark Francois, voted against all four.

    • David Cameron, Kenneth Clarke, Mark Francois, Chris Grayling, William Hague, Francis Maude, Patrick McLoughlin, Andrew Mitchell, George Osborne and Sir George Young voted against legislation to repeal section 28, which had banned local authorities and schools from “promoting” homosexuality, in 2003.

    • Nineteen members of the shadow cabinet joined the attempt to block the equality bill, which included a requirement for all publicly funded bodies to promote equality.

    • Seven members of the shadow cabinet voted to allow only heterosexual married couples to adopt in 2002.

    • Four of the shadow cabinet voted against powers which passed through the house in March 2007 giving the secretary of state the ability to bring in regulations with a new definition of discrimination and harassment on grounds of sexual orientation.

    • Thirty-five Tory MPs voted to allow only heterosexual married couples to adopt in 2002 and a third also voted against the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations in March 2007, allowing the government to make regulations defining discrimination and harassment on grounds of sexual orientation.”

    If you vote tory – you’re voting for homophobia.

  63. @ Jay 6pac – and in a 2006 interview, “Francis Maude admitted that the introduction of Section 28 legislation whilst he was in government was “a mistake”, saying it could have contributed to the death from HIV of his homosexual brother, Charles, and many others.” From Wikipedia.

    There have been big changes in British attitudes over the past ten years. Why should Conservatives being exempt from that? Over what period did Labour change from a socialist party to one that was in favour of war, PFI, deporting gay asylum seekers, capitalism…? It was almost overnight wasn’t it?

    Voting LibDem on May 6th

  64. @GS, Sorry to correct you, but in David Cameron’s first speech as party leader he actually spoke about civil partnerships along side the institution of marriage. Whilst he did infer the importance of commitment, at no point did he try to blur civil partnership and marriage as being of equal standing.

    If David Cameron had intended to convey civil partnerships and marriage as being equal then he wouldn’t have made this recent announcement.

    Surely a ‘Big Society’ is one where all are able to participate fully and this can only be achieved when all treated equally.

  65. @GS. I’m not sorry to correct you. The tory shadow cabinet have numerous homophobic members who have displayed their homophobia in the last ten weeks, never mind ten years. There may have been big changes in the last ten years of the Labour government, but obviously the tory cabinet members we are talking about have not changed. I’m not sure why they have been exempt from this change, but they clearly are.

  66. @ D Lambert – I get the impression that many people outside of the gay activist/pinkpounder circles are pretty happy with the option of a civil partnership. Although very few have one. Marriage has too many creepy religious connotations for many of us (incuding many heteros). Nice to have the equality but no rush. I can’t wait to see how few go for that option if it is introduced alongside civil partnerships and I am going to laugh my arse off if Cameron confounds you all and brings in that option.

    I would rather ask the three leaders what they will do about LGBT asylum seekers who are been sent back to Iraq, people being beaten to death in Trafalgar Square and numerous non-gay issues. I’d happily swap the option of getting married for saving one Iraqi from a horrible death courtesy of Phil Woolas and his department. But everyone would rather talk about fluffy weddings.

  67. Here is what MR. CAMERON said, just today about this report:

    Mr Cameron said that he was not planning to rename civil partnerships as civil marriage, as some papers had been speculating.

    “We are not planning that. I think that civil partnerships are excellent thing because they give
    gay people the opportunity to form a partnership and have some of the advantages of marriage. I think that is right. I am very happy to have a look at how we can take policy forward… but I think where we are at the moment, I think has dealt with one of the great unfairnesses. So we should look to the future cautious about whether we can build on that.”

  68. Bill Perdue 4 May 2010, 3:49am

    The tories will support same sex marriage when http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/when%20pigs%20fly.jpg

  69. Bill Perdue 4 May 2010, 4:05am

    By the way, where is Twisted Sister in all this? She’s a pigheaded opponent of same sex marriage and other equality campaigns. Is he afraid to comment?

    Did someone say they saw him doorbells for Philippa Stroud?

  70. Bill Perdue 4 May 2010, 4:06am

    Zeke,No. 45 “The fact “consider” is politician speak for “I’ll promise to look at it as long as I’m on the campaign but it has less than a snowball’s chance in hell of getting true and honest consideration once I’m elected.”

    “Only a FOOL would take such a statement seriously.”

    Agreed.

    It’s a lot like believing or voting for Obama when he said he was our ‘fierce defender’ after he sabotaged our chance to retain same sex marriage in California.

  71. Always check your own constituencies and vote tactically. Analyse the opinion polls in your region and vote tactically. The only parties that can really protect gay people with provable track records are Labour, Lib Dems and Greens.

  72. #68 brill…lol

  73. Hi Bill. I guess you prefer bush to Obama you idiot

  74. Mumbo Jumbo – sorry don’t buy your explanation, labour hasn’t given us gay mariage becuase it has NO intention of giving us true equality with straight couples. The rights may be more or less the same but the social status of CP both in the UK and abroad are NOT. THey have had 15 yrs to sort it out, they have been the majority party throughout this period. They have not asked the EU commissioner questions on French recognition of the CP, they have not used the non discrimination clause in tax treaties, they have do nothing and are basically living on the past glory of the introduction of the CP which in fact was written by Lord Lester, a ib dem member of house of Lords. I’ve no intention of wasting a vote on lab, a party that is obviously doomed at this election, I see no future LGBT improvement by them in the UK or abroad. At the moment the future of LGBT under labour are no different to those than under tories. We don’t live in te 80s anymore, sorry to tell you, but we (including the majority of tories) have moved on. We may not get marriage under tories but we defintely won’t get it under labour….they’ve proven this – In 2008 according to the Guardian the negative interefered in am Austria same sex case and the paper states the government is still arguing that the court should not require European states to allow marriage for same-sex couples. It has told the court that the right to marry refers to “the traditional marriage between persons of the opposite biological sex … What is your explanation of this statement , it wasn’t a tory government that stated this, it was you presumred heros th labour government…

  75. D Lambert 4 May 2010, 9:16am

    @GS, It’s not about whether you or I like the concept of marriage, it’s about equality. And unless you have an equal standing is society then all the other problems you raise will never be taken seriously in that society.

    Your willingness to stop short of anything less is an offering to be be treated as a second class citizen. This willingness also perpetuates the other problems you highlight.

    It’s about the principle of being equal and if that includes the right for some to have ‘fluffy weddings’ then so be it.

  76. Conservative Equalities Manifesto released yesterday said “We will also consider the case for changing the
    law to allow civil partnerships to be called and
    classified as marriage.” page 14.

    http://bit.ly/cfNy0k
    SkyNews interview with Adam Bolton, ~19:28.
    “We are not planning that. I think that civil partnerships are excellent thing because they give gay people the opportunity to form a partnership and have some of the advantages of marriage. I think that is right. I am very happy to have a look at how we can take policy forward… but I think where we are at the moment, I think has dealt with one of the great unfairnesses. So we should look to the future cautious about whether we can build on that.
    ———
    As far as I’m concerned he’s saying – you’ve got Civil Partnerships – that’s all you’re getting.

    I’ve tried to find the clip on Sky, I’ve tried to find it on YouTube. It seemms to have disappeared like Philippa Stroud.

    Put it in your manifesto, get a few more Gay votes, get in to power, say you’ve thought about it and then say no. Only in this case Dave has been honest with us and said no on the same day it was in their manifesto. You cannot trust them.

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1255155
    is a list of seats and ways to vote to keep the scum off our streets – but more importantly out of our government.

    Do you want another Section 28? People died because of Section 28.

  77. btw. I do have it recorded on PVR – if I can’t find the clip elsewhere I’ll move it to DVD, the upload the segment to YouTube. The quote is accurate.

  78. If David Cameron has already admitted that he has absolutely no intention of allowing marriage equality, then why is this fake story still the 1st headline of the Pink Tory News website?

    Pink News really needs to admit that it supports the homophobic Conservative Law and Justice Party.

    Fair enough as a website it would lose all credibility among its target audience, who whole-heartedly reject the neo-fascist homophobia of Philippa Stroud, Chris Grayling, Julian Lewis, Iain Duncan Smith and countless others in the BNP-like, Conservative Party.

    But the dishonesty on display by Pink News is so absurd.

    It pretends to be an independent media source not in favour of any party.

    Yet the 1st headline on the page is a fabricated story about how the Tories don’t hate the readers of Pink News?

    Perhaps Pink News should stick to writing their absurd stories about how Elton John once bought an ice-cream.

  79. Am I correct in saying that the only party that has actually promised gay marriage is the Green Party?

  80. Greens party promised marriage – yes but didn’t pinknews report last week that a member of them had brain damage and was telling us to vote lib dems? Fact – labout after 15 yrs of power has still not brought in gay marriage despite the fact that the UK is a very religious country – (compare Spain). It has no intention of bringing in equality to gay people. CPs are NOT equal to Marriage both socially and legally in the UK and have huge different consequences abroad …. Why vote for more of nothing…. We’v ha the lot out of labour, ditch them…

  81. @78: SimonM, the Telegraph
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7673224/Gay-couples-could-be-allowed-to-marry-under-Tory-election-plans.html
    is also running the story saying they will do it, despite the fact Cameron has said, on-air, that he won’t They’re no doubt trying to win Gay votes with a known lie. We must make sure they don’t get away with it.

    As for one type of marriage – for all – including heterosexuals who don’t want a ceremony (marriage is a secular, not religious, legal status conferring property rights, rights to have a say in medical treatment, etc). We can fix that if Labour get in. Labour sometimes need a prod. We can give them a prod – I’m warming up my red-hot poker for the occasion :-)

  82. Look mate.I used a massive prod to get the labour govt to help us get recognition of the British CP in France, I got nowhere. The only parties that rose serious EU questions to the EU were lib dems (fantastic help), greens and believe it or not tories… Nothing from lab, nothing form equlities office, FCO and so on… We’re been waiting for gay marriage for 15 yrs, we still have CP – they’re not the same and the are most definitely not the same abroad. If we had a gay marriage then we would have been recognised in France years ago since foreign marrages (gay ones as well) have always been recognised. They had to change the law to recognise foreig CP and that only happenned in 2009…. Wake up CPs are NOT marriage and are NOT equal and the lab govt are full of lawyers, advisers etc and are fully aware of the differences and problems ….

  83. @Jonathan2

    Could you give a link to the Telegraph article which says the Conservatives will allow gay marriage? Also, on what programme did Cameron say he he will not allow it?

  84. People who are still undecided how to vote, or who don’t know how to vote tactically in order to keep the anti-gay Fundamentalist Christians OUT, should go to the following site and stick their postcodes in the box up in the right-hand top corner.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/default.stm

    Please pass this message on to everybody you know.

  85. So how exactly are the Conservatives and Dave going to allow full “Gay Marriage”, when prospective Tory MP Philippa Stroud’s answer to homosexuality is to cure it through prayer.

    As highlighted in the Telegraph and Observer Newspapers . . .

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7669154/General-Election-2010-Tory-candidate-tried-to-cure-gay-people-through-prayer.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/02/conservatives-philippa-stroud-gay-cure

  86. Excellent, JK.

    The Guardian has covered the subject in a most enlightening way.

    Philippa Stroud and right-wing fundamentalist Xtians can do a lot of harm to the human rights movement if elected, although their efforts to Talibangelize Britain would meet with such Outrage…Ouch!

    Where is John Cleese when you need him??

  87. @83: Dave – just look for the links I’ve already posted.
    Pinknews have an article overing it now also;
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/05/04/david-cameron-not-planning-to-legalise-gay-marriage/

  88. #80 – Thank you for answering, Alan.

  89. @ D Lambert – the desperation in certain quarters over the last 15 years to blend in and try to be exactly the same as the majority has been damaging. There’s something quite creepy and even psychopathic about it.

    No one ever talks about the negatives this so-called equality has brought. The destruction of gay culture, safe spaces handed over to hen parties and everything controlled by big business so it can be marketed, much of the time to straights again.

    Gay marriage – nice to have if you want it – but something that affects hardly any of us on a day-to-day basis and probably never will.

    Here’s the shocker: relationships between two men are NEVER going to be the same as between a man and a woman or between two women, whatever laws you introduce and however much you stamp your foot, because men are different to women. Those male relationships are going to tend to be shorter and fewer. So why the desperation to ape a heterosexual institution?

    Gay marriage is a political/equality hobby horse for middle class activists. While more serious issues are ignored. And by the way those commercial interests are very keen too because weddings nake big profits.

    BTW who says ‘marriage’ is a good thing in the first place whether gay or straight? A horrible institution and we’re begging society to put the handcuffs on us.

    Sometimes the whole thing reminds me of Michael Jackson bleaching his skin so he can be part of the white majority rather than the black minority. It’s sad. We are about 6.5% of the population and we are different. There is nothing wrong with being different to the majority – embrace and enjoy it.

  90. Bill Perdue 4 May 2010, 3:01pm

    No 73 Hi Bill. I guess you prefer bush to Obama you idiot

    There’s not a whole lot of difference. It’s like asking if I prefer diabetes or cancer.

    Now run back to your snug little log cabin, take your sleepy time meds and leave politics to the adults.

  91. “We would also use our influence in international groups like the Commonwealth to put pressure on countries where gay people are persecuted, such as Uganda…”

    well the Tories can only compare to Uganda to show how less homophobic they are…

  92. D Lambert 4 May 2010, 4:48pm

    @GS

    My own feelings are rather more complex than subscribing to your view that gay marriage is creepy? And personal views on marriage should only be aired once a level playing field has been achieved.

    We are in danger of loosing sight of the main thread, that of equality and that last minute piecemeal offerings by Cameron’s party show a desperate attempt to avert a coalition at any cost.

    It shows a total lack authenticity given the fact that the Tories have historically marginalised the LGBT community.

    What a nerve that they should use us in this way.

  93. So here’s Call-Me-Dave’s record to date:

    In 1999 William Hague sacked Conservative frontbencher Shaun Woodward for refusing to back the party’s stance that Section 28 should not be repealed. (Remember that the Tory’s Section 28 of 1989 effectively gagged any employee of a school from giving any impression to students that homosexuality was OK.)

    In 2000 while David Cameron was campaigning for the seat of Witney he wrote a letter in The Telegraph attacking Shaun Woodward for his pro-gay stance. He also attacked Tony Blair too for his being pro-gay rights. These are Call-Me-Dave’s actual words from that time: “The Blair government continues to be obsessed with their fringe agenda, including deeply unpopular moves like repealing Section 28 and allowing the promotion of homosexuality in schools. . . Blair has moved heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in schools”. Do you really believe that the leopard has completely changed his spots simply because he now needs our votes and is saying, “Trust me!”?

    In 2003 David Cameron MP fought against and voted against the Labour Government’s repeal of Section 28 in the House of Commons.

    By 2005 Say-Anything-Dave has done a complete turnabout and he tells the BBC he’s delighted Section 28 has been abolished! He told a BBC journalist: “At the end of the day, one section of our community did feel discriminated against by Section 28, and so I’m glad on that basis that it’s gone”

    In 2008 Cameron voted against a law making it easier for lesbian couples to have IVF treatment. He says that this issue goes to the heart of his message that Britain’s society is broken. Are we now to believe, just two years later in 2010, that Cameron no longer believes that “Britain’s society is broken” and that we LGBTs are not to blame for it?

    In 2009 Call-Me-Dave decides to appear at a gay pride event and say sorry to us for the ban on anything that might be construed as a positive view of homosexuality in schools. He said “Yes, we may have sometimes been slow and, yes, we may have made mistakes, including Section 28, but the change has happened”. It was an apology but there was little real remorse in it. Was it not just a clever preparation for wooing us for our votes in 2010?

    Having delivered this “I’m weally weally sorry”, just two months later in 2009 Tory MEPs refused to go along with a cross-party European Parliament vote to condemn a homophobic law that had been passed in Lithuania!

    Then earlier this year, in 2010, in his interview with Attitude, Call-Me-Dave criticised the Church of England over its attitudes to homosexuality and called upon the Church to accept equal rights for gays.

    But a little later, in April 2010, Call-Me-Dave’s Shadow Home Secretary Christopher Grayling is revealed by The Observer newspaper as having said that he feels sympathy for those businesses who wish to turn gay, lesbian, or transgender people away – despite it being against the law to do so. Cameron fails to discipline his colleague and a few days later yet another Tory candidate, Andrew Bridgen, says much the same thing as Christopher Grayling said. Cameron similarly fails to discipline Bridgen. Both Grayling and Bridgen continue as Tory candidates in the election despite having shown support for the “right” of businesses to turn gays, lesbians, and trans people away.

    On April 10th 2010, Call-Me-Dave sought to woo gay and lesbian voters in an article written for PinkNews. He said that if they were in Civil Partnerships they would be eligible for the £3 a week he was promising to married heterosexuals (provided they are on a low wage). He also promised the possibility of “a clean slate” to anyone who had a “gay-sex offence” on their records. The only other thing he offered in his article was the sentiment that he was “heart and soul” behind gay rights and that LGBTs should simply trust him! However, Call-Me-Dave’s record since he ditched his seven-year position as Director of Corporate Affairs at Carlton Communications (a major media company) to “find a seat” in politics does not inspire confidence.

    On 13th April, the Tories published their manifesto. It was completely and alarmingly without specific plans to progress and preserve rights for LGBTs. Throughout this very long and very carefully prepared document there is not a single section of any length devoted to how the Tories will assist the LGBT minority.

    On 14th April, Christopher Grayling, the man the Tories would have as their Home Secretary, sought to reverse the damage he had done to the Tories as a result of being secretly recorded as saying that he feels sympathy for those businesses who wish to turn same-sex couples away. He went on Channel 4 and said that “I don’t think that people who are gay should be turned away”.

    On 27th April it was revealed that Tory candidate Philip Lardner wrote on his website “The promotion of homosexuality by public bodies . . . was correctly outlawed by Mrs Thatcher’s government. Toleration and understanding is one thing, but state-promotion of homosexuality is quite another.” In the run-up to the election these words and others were hastily removed by Lardner. He was criticised in 2008 for calling the racist former leader of Rhodesia Ian Smith his hero. Lardner was quickly suspended by the Conservatives and Call-Me-Dave tried to curry favour with the LGBT community by comparing the Tories with the world’s worst anti-gay political parties. He said that at least the Tories have “gone further than many other parties around the world.”

    In the week before the General Election, in May 2010, it was revealed that at least 37 Tory candidates had strong links with fundamentalist Christian organizations and that one of them, Mrs. Philippa Stroud, had participated in fundamental Christian rituals whereby prayers were said in order to cast demons from homosexual persons. Furthermore, it was revealed by The Guardian newspaper that Mrs. Stroud has been the head of the Tory party’s “think-tank” determining Tory policy on “Social Justice”. Mrs. Stroud has thus presided over many formulations of Tory policy in matters relating to “social justice”.

    In the same week Mrs. Theresa May, a senior Tory, stated that if elected the Tories would “consider” renaming Civil Partnerships as Marriage so that gays and lesbians would enjoy full equality with heterosexuals in this regard. Later the same day in an interview with Sky News, Call-Me-Dave said that he would NOT consider the action that had been outlined by Mrs. May. It is likely that this back-tracking was due to pressure exerted on Cameron by his Christian Fundamentalist backers and supporters, one of whom, Kenneth Costa, the Chairman of one of the largest financial consultancies in the world, has made a significant contribution to Tory Party funds and is also the mastermind behind the UK’s nationwide “Alpha Course”, a fundamental Christian course aimed at converting young people to Christianity.

    Go to the following page, pop your postcode in the box near the top right, and then see how you need to vote to stop the Tories winning in YOUR constituency. Remember, the less constituencies the Tories win, the less chance they will have of seizing power.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/default.stm

  94. Jean-Paul 5 May 2010, 3:54am

    He’ll be back, Patrick. All you’ll have to do is recognize him.

    BTW, who is that posting as 666incarnate? On the previous thread?

  95. bill “There’s not a whole lot of difference. It’s like asking if I prefer diabetes or cancer”. for you I’d suggest both. I know your type Bill

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