what she claims contradicts what she’s done so far, people like her is why I don’t see how the tories have changed as much as cameron wants everyone to believe
it’s also people like her who makes me think Christianity can be very evil
Its the Christophobics who write the biased articles that make u think Christianity can be very evil. If u believe all the articles on her are 100% accurate u r either very naive or simply WANTING to believe them.
At the local hustings in Lincoln, I asked the Tory candidate if life for LGBT people would be safe in the hands of the Tories. His answer: ‘LGBT people have nothing to worry about with a Conservative government’.
Great – another NARTH disciple in the Tory ranks.
Seems like the polls put the Conservatives in the lead, and unless Cameron takes to stamping on puppies in the next week he’s a shoe-in.
Forgone conclusion or not, I don’t know how they could screw over the pink vote any more short of re-instating section 28. It’s high time they put their voting record where their mouth is with regards to LGBT friendly policies.
“Most LGBT people really don’t give a flying toss about gay rights”
One of the most ridiculous comments i’ve read on here.
There’ll be some on here with mental problems and mother-fixations who will now be absolutely sure they should give their votes to the Tories! LOL.
“When PinkNews.co.uk pointed out to her spokesman that The Observer’s prime claim was not that she believed homosexuality to be an illness, rather that she appeared to believe it could be overcome through prayer and removing “demons”, he said: “we will not be adding to or subtracting to the statement.”
The above quote shows exactly the same sort of extraordinary mental block and stubbornness on the part of evangelical Tory Mrs. Stroud’s spokesperson as some Tory-supporters on these Comments pages suffer from. To an extent Toryism is a kind of religion which is all about belief rather than rationality.
Philippa Stroud appears to be yet another religious fruitcake both she and the whole country would be better off if she and many like her were cared for in a secure environment.
Sounds like the religious right are bankrolling the Tory party and conducting a precision military operation to infiltrate it’s heart in an effort to gain control.
Cameron wants gay rights taught in schools which hasn’t happened under Labour. Cameron wants to change the law and have crimes erased because of past homophobic laws. Cameron has urged u.s to end don’t ask don’t tell. There will be 20 gay mp’s.
99 percent of the tory candidates are socially liberal and pro gay rights.
This candidate has zero chance to win. The lib dem mp has a 7 percent lead and every poll has shown conservatives won’t be picking up any lib dem mp seats. How can this candidate win when the lib dem starts with a seven percent lead and their vote is up from 2005.
What is so frustrating about this election is that Cameron would be the most gay friendly PM in the history of the UK and he is getting smeared.
Cameron makes the decisions not some candidate who has no chance to win.
If the conservatives win gay MP Nick Herbert is tipped to be home secretary and he will also be going to a gay rights march in poland.
The Conservative Party is becomming more extreme – if you think Christian fundimentalists are extreme that is.
The right hand of God
Christian fundamentalists form a noisy wing of the Conservative Party, and their influence is growing fast.
Secret Christian donors bankroll Tories
Increasingly powerful Conservative grassroots organisation numbers 37 prospective candidates among its members
Being Gay is genetic/hormonal. There’s increasingly clear evidence to this from research over the last couple of decades.
I’ll give you just one book title “Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity”
Bagemihl begins with an overview of same-sex activity in animals, carefully defining courtship patterns, affectionate behaviors, sexual techniques, mating and pair-bonding, and same-sex parenting. He firmly dispels the prevailing notion that homosexuality is uniquely human and only occurs in “unnatural” circumstances.
Blanchard and Klassen (1997) reported that each older brother increases the odds of a man being gay by 33%. This is now “one of the most reliable epidemiological variables ever identified in the study of sexual orientation.” To explain this finding, it has been proposed that male fetuses provoke a maternal immune reaction that becomes stronger with each successive male fetus.
She has a history with us in Bedford and Birmingham where she would not allow LGBT people into nightshelters she founded operated through Newfrontiers churches.
That may be against the law.
Jonathan2′s post above give the lie to Philippa Strouds assertion that
“The idea that I am prejudiced against gay people is both false and insulting.”
“99 percent of the tory candidates are socially liberal and pro gay rights.” Where the hell have you been getting your information from?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!
Go on theyworkforyou.co.uk and look at the tory voting records, its more like 60-70% of tory MPs are AGAINST most gay rights. Please dont make statements if you cant back them up with facual evidence.
Also “If the conservatives win gay MP Nick Herbert is tipped to be home secretary and he will also be going to a gay rights march in poland”
Yeah ok he will be going to a gay rights march after the Tories tucked themself up in bed with one of the most right wing parties in Europe that think gay people are the devil. I think its really patronising to send him, they shouldnt have had anything to do with them in the first place! Im guessing that your a Tory drone who is monitering this website…
The question that must basked is that with a few more days to go, how many more knuckldraggers are hiding in the Tory Party shadows?
Whatever nonsense Cameron tries to sell us, remember the truth and reality of his skin-deep attitude to we gays and lesbians as revealed in that Gay Times video of late March (see it on YouTube), and remember what his senior party member Chris Grayling has said: that in his view businesses should have the right to turn gays, lesbians (in fact any sort of “deviants”) away from their doors, like unwanted dogs.
And remember how cunning and manipulative the Tories are, and how desperate they are to get into power.
And don’t forget that Call-Me-Dave has chosen to live his life prior to becoming a Tory politician as an upmarket Super-Salesman in a major media corporation. We cannot afford to believe the lies of this slick super-salesman who is in league with the churches.
These are the realities of the Tories for LGBT people:
1. The Tories are in an alliance in Europe with the far-right, homophobic Law and Justice Party.
2. Under a Tory government the Home Secretary has secretly been recorded saying he supports the right of commercial businesses to discriminate against gay people.
3. Under a Tory government Iain Duncan Smith would be in charge of families. He wants to reduce the rights of non-biological gay parents. Tory Philippa Stroud who has been involved in the Tory “think-tank” that is responsible for much of the Tory’s heterosexually-biased morally has been proven to believe that homosexuality is a demon that can be cast out by prayer!
4. The Tories in Europe are vile homophobes. And David Cameron has admitted he does not control them.
5. The Tories record on voting for gay issues is utterly abysmal.
6. The Tories want to massively increase spending on ‘faith schools’.
7. The Tories support the religious exemption from equality laws (have a look at number 6 again)
8. The Tories are opposed to legal equality for gay relationships.The Tories are a homophobic party despite their spin pretending they are not the reactionary bigots they have always been.
Philipa Stroud and her religious thinktank are the demons, not us!
She’s a vile fundamentalist woman that Tory Catholic Iain Duncan-Smith probably has the secret hots for!
IMO the Tories are one great big bunch of self-righteous sickos.
It’s not good but to be honest she just reminds me of another ‘Ruth Kelly’ type. I still believe D. Cameron will keep his word it’s just a shame there will be some (as with everything) who will let the side down.
At the end of the day it is David Cameron in charge and I doubt for a minute he’s going to be weak.
“At the end of the day it is David Cameron in charge and I doubt for a minute he’s going to be weak.”
Wow. How do you breath with your head stuck down in the sand that far anyway????
Secret Christian Donors Bankroll Tories:
Are the Tories Being Taken Over by Christian Fundamentalists?:
Christian Fundamentalists Form a Noisy Wing of the Conservative Party And Their Influence is Growing Fast:
David Cameron States Clearly That LGBT Equality is Not a “Bedrock” Equality Issue:
Squidgy: ‘I still believe D. Cameron will keep his word it’s just a shame there will be some (as with everything) who will let the side down.’
But why is it the Conservative Party that attracts all the homophobes? What is it about Tory policies that makes them attractive to bigots?
Apart from the Christian fundamentalists, you have to remember there’s also Baroness Warsi who has a big say and influence on David Cameron and the Conservative party. Remember mandatory sex education plans were ditched in the washup period – Warsi had a hand in what happened. See her views on sex education – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syDbI51P3fw
Also this article (2005) from The Guardian
The question is, does Philippa Stroud represent a large and growing proportion of the party? Are the Tories turning into a British version of the Republicans? If so, I hope they become ever more strident and impossible to shut up (it is impossible to keep quiet when you are in exclusive possession of the Truth). That way they will destroy the party. Only a daydream. Can any be persuaded to run off at the mouth before Thursday?
phew! some people surely think Cameron is going to be a President instead of a Prime Minister that he will have the whole power invested in him to decide our fate… how foolish. No darling, if Cam becomes PM, he needs the support (in terms of vote) of this lunatics to pass any more improvement law on gay rights as well as he needs them to destroy what is already in place.
Now, looking at the first instance, dont you see that these haters would not vote to improve on the present? At least, we are sure Julian Lewis and Chris Grayling WOULD SIMPLY NOT. And also, we are dammned sure that Chris Grayling and Julian Lewis again will vote to repeal laws like the ones they already mentioned…
As for Ms. Stroud, well, she will definitely not vote for any more rights for us but will definitely vote for laws that is against us. You dont have to think homosexuality is evil to be an illness to cast it as demonic. In fact, you dont cast malaria out as demon although you believe it is an illness, etc.
Bearing that in mind, it sure makes you realise that her opinions on homosexuality is nothing different from Hitler’s opinion of gays and jews, etc. If something is demonic, it is alien and as such, it is completely unwanted and could be wasted.
Cameron may want to give us more rights, but Stroud, Grayling, Lewis, Hague, etc are already votes lost for him… And knowing that Cam like power, he would simply stuck on to being leader than doign anything good for us. The fundamentalists would threaten to remove him if he insist on gay rights, and then, he will chicken out. So, guys & gals, be wise as the serpent with this revelations.
I think previously the Pinknews poll put those LGBT who were voting Tory at around 9%.
We need to make absolutely sure they don’t get that 9%. I’ve no idead how we motivate these people. Perhaps everyone can touch base with their friends, by email, txt, twitter, … God, fax them if you have to. Let’s make sure that 9% are fully aware of just how much of a risk for Gay rights that a Tory government will be. Remember: http://mygayvote.co.uk/ gives a comparison on past voting performance. AND, remember that 76% of Tory MPs did NOT vote to get rid of Section 28 – they wanted to keep it.
And get those lazy so-and-so’s who can’t be bothered to get up on polling day, out the door and down to the polling station.
Personally I think there are a handful but looking at the bigger picture it’s a small minority in comparison to the party as a whole. Weither they like it or not going against gay rights can’t be an issue because a big percentage of the public support what has happened. I think David Cameron realises this, that is why he is being strong enough to stand in front of his party and speak out. Whilst he does need all the help he can get if he wasn’t serious about standing up for gay rights why say so?
Be honest if the gay population in the UK is a low percentage for votes why canvass for them? It’s because The ‘Gay vote’ goes a lot wider. It’s not just gay people. It’s also their friends, family etc who want the best. Most people in this country see discrimination unacceptable so they can’t afford to tip that applecart.
Of course these gay issues come to the gay media attention and sometimes in the mainstream press. Just like other communities who will probably get the media reporting from their side of things, things we may not hear about. Usually the worst side of things. Good, positive news apparently doesn’t sells papers.
Lets not forget that whoever gets in has got a massive job to sort out so the list of our prioties are probably going to be way down on the list. Plus I stick to what I say about whoever gets in again is going to be extremely unpopular and may be out of office for quite some time. Like whats happened the last 30 years. Frankly I’d rather it was the Tories in to sort the economy etc out, then they’ll probably be out for a while afterwards because who ever gets elected next time round wouldn’t have anything to loose for a while. Then your fears may actually take some meaning. Of course David Cameron will probably stick to his word and you may all be very surprised in that it wasn’t as bad as you feared. In my mind he has this time to prove himself.
A lot of issues still need to be sorted out. Here are a selection from the various manifesos. Note. Conservatives don’t have an LGBT manifesto.
Root out homophobia and discrimination from public services and public life.
Reform our schools to tackle homophobia & transphobia
Outlaw incitement to homophobic hatred in all forms
(reverse the so-called Waddington amendment which saw Tory Lords water down our legislation to protect people from incitement to homophobic hate.) Amend the Equalities Bill/Act to provide explicit protection against harassment of LGBTI people.)
Compulsory, inclusive sex and relationship education (removing the opt-out)
Ensure anyone who was convicted of a homosexual offence which was subsequently decriminalised will have the opportunity to have their names removed from the sex offenders register and /or the police national computer on application.
Continue the campaign in the UN for the Universal Decriminalisation of Homosexuality
focusing on the 9 countries where it is still punishable by death; http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100425/…an_homosexuals
Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran, and human rights groups estimate some 4,000 gays have been executed since the Islamic revolution in 1979.”
Use Britain’s unique strength in the world and of our international alliances to fight for our values, to challenge homophobia, promote equality and ensure other governments deliver LGBT equality.
Push for the rewriting of the Mental Health Act to remove trans people from the Psychiatric Disorder Register.
Gibraltar to equalise the gay age of consent
Ensure that all British embassies around the world are licensed to carry out civil partnership ceremonies.
Replace Civil Partnerships with Marriage.
Note that Marriage is a secular legal notion. Weddings are religious ceremonies. There’s no need to have Civil Partnerships if they’re supposed to be exactly the same as Marriage. Is there?
Make sure that asylum applications from Gay people fleeing persecution are treated fairly
Recognising that many Gay people face torture and can face death in some counties. Ending deportations of LGBT refugees to countries where they face persecution
Campaign against any reduction in the AIDS/HIV budget and target health promotion work to prevent sexually transmitted infections.
End the blanket, lifetime ban on gay and bisexual blood donors
Oppose all opt-outs from equality and anti-discrimination laws by religious organisations
…and remove special treatment allowing faith schools to promote homophobia on the grounds of religion.
Comprehensive training for teachers and educational staff on all diversity and inclusion issues;
.. schools to promote equal opportunities in their anti-bullying procedures; equalities issues to be monitored in teaching recruitment.
Require all police forces to have LGBT Liaison Officers
.. with paid time allocated within their work schedules to tackle homophobic and transphobic hate crime.
Refuse visas and work permits to “murder music” singers and others who incite homophobic and transphobic violence.
Increasing LGBT representation in Parliament
Civil partnerships without borders
Campaign to ensure that same-sex partnerships to be recognised throughout Europe and internationally.
Labour Party LGBT manifesto
Green Party LGBT manifesto
Liberal Democrats LGBT manifesto
Conservative Party LGBT manifesto
“Ex-Gay No Way: Survival and Recovery from Religious Abuse” by Jallen Rix, EdD.
“Bringing to light an extreme fundamentalist Christian view, this insider’s perspective offers hope to people grappling with the aftereffects of a cult-like movement often known as “Reparative Therapy.
The movement assumes that going from gay to straight is easily changeable and change-worthy, despite decades of psycho/sexual research to the contrary.
Although it did not succeed in making the author — an American Southern Baptist who attended an ex-gay ministry at a young age — straight, it did undermine his self-esteem and confuse him significantly, thus leading him to pursue an advanced degree in sexology in order to help others in similar positions.
Offering a detailed comparison of the ex-gay world and the phenomenon known as Religious Abuse, this manual shares a personal journey through the hopeless mistreatment and manipulative system of ex-gay ministries and the recovery process involved in regaining strength, acceptance, and self-worth.”
About the Author
Jallen Rix, EdD, is a speaker, author, and educator on sexology. He writes a column called “Sex Ed in Bed,” is a regular columnist for gay.com, and has appeared on TV talk shows such as ABC’s 20/20. He lives in San Francisco.
Squidgy writes about the number of homophobes in the Conservative party:
Personally I think there are a handful but looking at the bigger picture it’s a small minority in comparison to the party as a whole.
This is demonstratively not true at all.
Look at this summary of voting records on LGBT issues.
Weither they like it or not going against gay rights can’t be an issue because a big percentage of the public support what has happened.
The plan is not to “go against gay rights” in a direct way but to hugely advantage those who in society who are opposed to gay rights, such as the faiths.
I think David Cameron realises this, that is why he is being strong enough to stand in front of his party and speak out. Whilst he does need all the help he can get if he wasn’t serious about standing up for gay rights why say so?
He wants the votes and he realises that in today’s society being openly “anti-LGBT” is a vote loser.
Yes the LGBT vote is very important for these reasons.
We won’t be seeing actual discrimination against LGBT people by the Conservative party, but rather the promotion of others in society who wish to discriminate against LGBT people.
Remember that the Conservative party will initiate the biggest expansion of faith schools since the 19th century as reported in the Daily Mail as well as many other places.
The question is, does Philippa Stroud represent a large and growing proportion of the party?
Yes definitely she does indeed.
Are the Tories turning into a British version of the Republicans?
Yes they are.
If so, I hope they become ever more strident and impossible to shut up (it is impossible to keep quiet when you are in exclusive possession of the Truth).
Unfortunately the Conservative party knows that the British don’t like strident religious types.
Can any be persuaded to run off at the mouth before Thursday?
Even if they did Rupert Murdoch’s Conservative supporting media will suppress it.
Jonathan2… no point in posting links that dont work. If you are posting a link make sure its complete not aprt otherwise whats the point ‘cept to frustrate the reader when he gets a “page not found” or 404 errors.
I still believe D. Cameron will keep his word
Cameron is promising the biggest expansion of faith schools since the 19th century as reported in the Daily Mail as well as many other places.
He will keep his word on that you can be sure.
Squidgy… A question that may not have been asked of you as yet…. What exactly makes you SO sure of David Camerons integrity? Please tell because all the rest of us can see is the opposite to what you think. This is your chance to tell us word for word what it is that so many of us are missing without LOLs. hilarity or invective. Plain concise understandable english. Then we will all know where you are coming from.And please dont repeat the same old tripe you ahve been posting . I want to hear something new that we have missed…….
From the PinkNews article:
Mrs Stroud runs the Centre for Social Justice, a right of centre think tank founded by Iain Duncan Smith when he lost his position as leader of the Conservative Party. Through the centre, Mr Smith has formulated over 70 of David Cameron’s family policies.
It is important to realise that the Centre for Social Justice is hugely influential in the Conservative party.
We can see from their activities and policies that the Conservative party has developed two strategies for reversing the progressive social attitudes. One for the UK and one for overseas.
In the UK they are set to advance the cause of those in society with conservative social attitudes such as the churches. They also wish to use the tax system to advantage those that fit into their idea as to how people should live their lives.
The overseas strategy is to actively promote and advance social conservatism. We see this most obviously in the European Union where the Conservative party is supporting the Polish Law and Justice party. Also of course in the European Union we see the Conservative party itself actively pursuing a deeply anti-progressive social agenda.
So now your trying to patronize me now eh?
So you tell me I don’t answer questions when I do, you repeatedly ask them then complain when I repeatedly answer them.
Make up you mind already.
I left comment (24) for those who wish to read it. Other than that Patrick I’m done answering your endless repeated questions. You clearly have no interest in reading them but instead use them for your own twisted bully boy point scoring.
Your comment 31 is clearly there to demean, there was no need for it. You can ask questions but why the rest? Pathetic, it shows you up for what your about.
I’ve not seen any polling data that suggests she’s going to win her seat, I suspect the Lib Dems will hold with possibly a reduced majority.
That said, this woman does have a position of import in the Tory party along with Grayling and Lewis and it is somewhat concerning, especially as she has some responsibility in relation to families.
It’s looking more and more likely that the Tories will be the next government and could even scrape in with a majority albeit a diddy one. They will be watched!
David Cameron will probably stick to his word and you may all be very surprised in that it wasn’t as bad as you feared.
Stick to his word to whom?
The Conservative party has spent a vast fortune on this election.
They have had huge and relentless support from the Murdoch press.
The Christian churches as well as other faiths have been giving the Conservative party enormous support.
What Squidgy doesn’t seem to realise is that this support requires payback.
For the Murdoch press the Conservatives will reduce the powers of Ofcom. This is the telecommunications regulator. Murdoch wants the BBC undermined and for him to be able to buy his way in to vast areas of broadcasting which currently are protected by Ofcom. It paves the way for Murdoch to repeat his Fox news channel in the UK, and to set up a similar ultra right wing homophobic channels in the UK.
The people that financed the Conservative election campaign will be paid back by taking that which is the property of the state, the tax payer, and giving it to them. You will see this happen in many areas of life.
The Christian churches are to be paid back with the biggest expansion of faith schools since the 19th century as reported in the Daily Mail as well as many other places.
Cameron only needs the votes of LGBT people on 6th May. Once the 7th May arrives he will have forgotten anything that he said about them.
We have seen over and over again that Cameron says positive things about LGBT rights but acts against them. We have seen this at the European Parliament in its most naked form and we have seen it at Westminster in the House of Lords and in the parliamentary wash-up period just prior to the election being called.
sqigdy said. “The ‘Gay vote’ goes a lot wider. It’s not just gay people. It’s also their friends, family etc who want the best”. he’s not gay he talks about “their friends”. he sees us as the other. fcuk him troll
> But why is it the Conservative Party that attracts all the homophobes? What is it about Tory policies that makes them attractive to bigots?
For those of us who are both gay and on the centre-right, this is a continual difficulty. However, it is worth remembering that parties are, in themselves, coalitions. The Tory party attracts those from the socially conservative and religious right in addition to the social and market liberals.
The parties on the left do not attract the more socially conservative groups although the Lib Dems have an economically classically liberal wing. The Lib Dems also have branches in the north-west and north-east of England that contain some very religious groups. In some areas, they are almost a franchise operation.
The fact that parties can be broad coalitions means that there is no ability to generalise about the views its members hold. The fact that there are less desirable and, in all probability, homophobic members of the Conservative Party does not mean that I share her views any more than Nick Herbert, the gay member of the Tory front bench, shares hers.
I was talking in general terms but your bullying is getting boring as is your swearing at me.
Other Gay people (take that as you will) are allow to be gay and have differing views. It doesn’t make someone less gay than anybody else. It makes us Equal to everybody else.
Just a thought, and perhaps I shouldn’t tempt fate, but the familiar mad God-botherers don’t seem to have turned up on what must be a magnet thread for them.
I personally think that if Labour stay in for another term they may be out for another 18years afterward. I don’t believe D. Cameron will take all or any of our rights away, for a start he isn’t going to have time over the next 4-5 years. Theres too much of everything else to deal with.
The homophones within the Tories have the loudest voice unfortunately, many agree with the homophobes as well, cameron can make any claim he likes but the homophobes will fight anything to support equality and the church and right-wing media will aid them,
the LBGT group is useless unfortunately
How can anyone trust that Cameron “will keep his word” when he’s a PR professional and it’s now been proven that the Tory party’s Social Justice think-tank is headed by a woman who believes that homosexuality is a demon that can be scared away by prayers AND that in recent weeks a number of Tories have been exposed as believing that gay rights have gone too far?
The country is swimming with homophobia outside the gay villages. Gay rights have certainly not gone far enough.
I say that all 3 parties are likely to do much the same with regard to the economy, but with regard to LGBT rights the Tories are clearly one GREAT BIG NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO!
“The country is swimming with homophobia outside the gay villages.”
That would suggest then that under Labour things have gotten worse?!
I have Only ever suffer from homophobia under Labour, I Never did in the 80′s & 90′s. I actually feel I was more accepted then than now.
Who’s gonna warn all the young gays and lesbians out on the scene who never come near Pink News?
Stonewall or Outrage ought to organise for the distribution of plain-speaking leaflet outside every gay bar and club in the country over the next few days!!!
Patrick you’re spot on fox in the uk will appeal to suiqdgy and ronb hate filled messes
I strongly believe that under Gordon Brown we will be bankrupt and have to be treated along the same lines as Greece. I think under David Cameron his actions May be just skim us away from that kind of disaster.
You’ve got a memory problem, haven’t you, Squidje. I remember reading on here weeks ago that you said the same thing and several people pointed out to you that cases of homophobia have only appeared to rise because only because of Labour’s good work have homophobic incidents been reported to the police and the police have begun keeping such records.
You suffer from a memory problem, don’t you. I wondered what it was.
Give it up, you’re a tory homophobe lover. You’re voting for a load of homophobes. Just admit it for fu*ks sake. You’re just doing my head in now wittering on about Cameron being this and Cameron being that. Jeez, you obviously have some weird crush on the guy. You fool. Get back to tory HQ.
And stop calling everyone else pathetic. There’s only one pathetic tory homophobe lover on here now, YOU.
I wonder if we can cure Squidgy from being a tory with some prayers.
Thats what I was hinting at here earlier but got slagged down. I went out to a few bars in London over the last couple of days and the majority said they were pi**ed off with Labour. Some were planning to vote Lib Dem but most said Conservative. This was a lot of gay blokes age range ave 30-45.
Of course it was nice to hear them saying it without being shouted down or abused for it but the fact remains. It was very refreshing actually.
At the end of the day if they want to vote Tory thats there choice like mine. The fact is the same for Labour, Lib Dem, Green, BNP, Monster Raving…. etc
Jay, he’s just an attention-seeker and not worth us all praying for him. it’s not as if the outcome of the election is going to depend upon just him but I do worry about all those gays who will vote but just aren’t aware of all we’ve learnt here
I think you’re a liar Squidgy. You say you’ve just been round town talking to guys in gay bars but didn’t you say on some other thread you’re disabled and in a wheelchair?
you’re just not a serious person
waste of space
and don’t cosy up to me because I haven’t said anything here for a while! I’m with the other guys as far as you’re concenred.
Squidgyy – “I have Only ever suffer from homophobia under Labour, I Never did in the 80′s & 90′s. I actually feel I was more accepted then than now.”
You didn’t suffer any homophobia in the 80 or 90′s? you idiot. The tory party you want to vote for brought a law in the 80′s that didn’t allow schools to talk about us ‘filthy’ homos. And you think you didn’t suffer any homophobia? – the fuc*in governemt that was in power was homophobic. You really are such a goon its unbelievable. What planet are you living on? You must be mentally challenged.
Again your bullying is boring.
“mentally challenged” How is that not bullying?
“Memory Loss” – How is that not bullying?
Still can’t admit the tories are homophobes though can you Squidgy? Typical of someone suffering from stockholm syndrome.
So disabled people in wheelchairs are not only allowed on the scene but are a waste of space???
How is this NOT BULLYING!
Stockholm Syndrome describes the behavior of kidnap victims who, over time, become sympathetic to their captors.
How is this NOT BULLYING?
I can’t be bothered to go through all your posts and point out all the times you have called other people ‘pathetic’ ‘waste of space’ ‘boring’ etc.etc.etc.
Stop playing the sob story about everyone else being a bully. You are just as bad as everyone else. You sound like a christian who says they are being discriminated against when you call someone else a bully. Its transparent that you want others to feel sorry for you. Grow up.
Back to the story instead of Squidgy. This is another story that confirms that no gay man or lesbian should vote for the tories. They are vile homophobes that will take away our freedom.
It amazes me that people here demand to be treated Equally yet clearly only know how to show discrimination, intolerance and hatred.
This is really about Human Rights, isn’t it?
While we promote Human Rights, others are using religion in an attempt to hide their abuse of Human Rights.
Where on earth are all these stories coming from all of sudden, it’s the usual smear campaign, look Cameron is clearly not homophobic and he’s the leader, forget all this pathetic nonsense, if you don’t want to vote tory vote lib dems, for heavens sake get rid of Brown once and for all. Imagine switching the tele on the next morning after the elction and seeing Gordon’s smug face gloating on how he got away with another con over the British public, how absolutely sickening , wake up and vote for a change, get rid of the guy…. we still have CP not gay marriage , a definite indication that he wants us to be differnet, not the same as straight people, ghettoised into gays and the normal folk. Forget, it took 10 yrs to get CPs, 10 long yrs after a lab majority, thanks for the speedy reponse to LGBT equaluity … which still doesn’t exist after 15 yrs of lab. Vote for a change…whatever it is, we’re getting nowhere fast…
Alan – didn’t you read the proof of cameron’s homophobia? there was homophobia under the tories in the 90′s and it’s terrible that some can’t acknowledge that
Please don’t distract form the issue by bickering with Squidgy. It makes comments very hard to read.
I haven’t decided how to vote yet, but any political party aligned with the Christian Right (who are neither) makes me very afraid. I’m sickened by the orchestrated push by ‘christians’ to make themselves out as victims and to force issues and prop up stupid cases like Ladele and Mcfarlane, and to impose their chosen beliefs on others. I don’t want religion in my politics at all, thanks. Religious beliefs should be a personal thing and have no place in politics, in my opinion.
Furthermore, EXTREME religious views (not normal ones – I’m not insulting any religious people here) suggest to me that the person holding such views actually has mental issues and needs help. I’d be sympathetic to them, but I certainly wouldn’t want them in any position of power.
> Alan – didn’t you read the proof of cameron’s homophobia? there was homophobia under the tories in the 90′s and it’s terrible that some can’t acknowledge that
I am on the centre-right. I acknowledge that the Conservative Party and its individual MPs and members when in government, and in opposition, said some pretty tart things about gay people.
I recognise, also, that at the same time as the Conservative Party has had a socially-conservative and sometime religious element, it has had an opposite socially liberal, libertarian wing.
David Cameron himself has publicly noted the Conservative Party’s less than stellar history, has made clear his belief in equality and has admitted that the Conservative Party will and must continue to do more.
The reason for the Conservative Party’s sluggish nature is evident when examining what is the party. It is conservative. Until Thatcherism, it acted as a break on radical change. It is not in the main, except for fits and starts, a radical or progressive party. It resists change before adopting it and becoming converted to it.
But for those gay persons such as myself who are on the centre-right, who belief in markets regulated to promote competition rather than to displace it, lower taxes to stimulate growth, sound money, prices as information, reductions in international tariffs, scepticism of ‘grand projets’ or ‘philosophes’, there is only one party on political right and that is the Conservative Party.
Iris if religion should have no place in politics should sexuality be kept out too?
Lets get back to the story, Phillipa Stroud is an Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian who thinks homosexuality can be curred by prayer and casting out “Demons of homosexaulity”
Dean, what a strange question. Religions are generally manmade invented systems predicated upon faith in supernatural beings which have never been proven to exist. Sexuality, on the other hand, is a physical reality. The two are not comparable.
Excuse me for answering his question, Iris. :-)
“Iris if religion should have no place in politics should sexuality be kept out too?”
The two aren’t comparable, Dean, in my opinion. And I don’t think sexuality really features in politics much anyway. None of the political flyers I’ve got through my door explicitly mentions any candidates sexuality – and I wouldn’t expect it to. However, I DID notice that many made a big thing about their IMPLIED (if that’s the right word) sexuality, eg ‘I’m married with three children’.
I happen to know that one of the candidates is gay, but there was absolutely no mention of that on the flyer – unless you consider the omission of the ‘I’ve been married for twenty years and I’ve got two teenage children’ bit to be ‘mentioning sexuality.
I don’t really see what you’re getting at. I’ve never seen candidates mention their sexuality really – not along the lines of “My name’s Fred Bloggs and I’m straight” anyway. Nor have I been aware of any MP going on about their sexuality in parliament. Why would they?
Beat me to it, Argos :D No problem with you answering at all. Thank you :)
The photograph of Call-Me-Dave sitting beside that fellow-Tory who believes that we are all possessed by demons that can be driven out by prayer just says it all about where the Tory party are really at when it comes to their attitude to us queers.
That assumes that Cameron knew of this at the time he posed for the photograph. If he did not know then it implies nothing on his part.
I should add that for disagreeing with Eddy, he has suggested that I be assaulted and mutilated. See the comments on this page: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/04/15/gay-mp-alan-duncans-election-posters-vandalised/.
She “cured homosexuality through prayer”. How ambitious. The lengths some people will go to be a Tory candidate.
Iris no problem I’m learning it may have been a silly question I just wanted your opinion you seem ok
and Argos sorry I admit it was a silly question
Comment #68 by Dean:
It is the pathological obsession that religions have with controlling other people’s sexuality that causes the religious to constantly force the subject into the political arena.
religions are ALWAYS manmade (where “man” embraces “woman” [sorry!])
#33 Aha…so the same “victim shyte Squidgy which of course saves you from having to answer a direct question. In no way was i aempin to paonise yo youcomeouwiisstanding order inferiority complex as usual. I read the tripe at #33 several times, altho it was heavy going but no answers apparant.. soonce what is it about callmedave you are so in love with? or is that possibly the answer? …you secretly harbour homoerotic fantasies about Callmedave???? Go on ..You can tell us…promise we wont tell…………..
New Frontiers Church in which Philippa Stroud and her husband are deeply involved appears to have links with INTERNATIONAL TRANFORMATION NETWORK & HARVEST EVANGELISM,
The weird Ed Silvoso who massively promotes the “curing of gays” and who fronts Harvest Evangelism has close links with Uganda’s leadership and his evangelism directly informs Bahati’s “Kill The Gays Bill”.
Last week PinkNews ran two items – one saying “quiz snp’s Alex Salmond” and the other “quiz the Green’s Carol Lucas” – I know questions were submitted but none seem to have appeared on the PinkNews site – usual crap from this lot?
Funny thing is “Abi” seems to have disappeared from these threads – remember her, the gay-male-hating, Catholic-hating LibDem type?
Sorry Guys …I’ll do that again…what a mess………….
#33 Aha…so the same “victim shyte” Squidgy , which of course saves you from having to answer a direct question. In no way was I attempting to patronise you. You come out with the same old standing order inferiority complex as usual. I read the tripe at #24 several times, although it was heavy going but no answers apparent. So once again, what is it about Callmedave you are so in love with? Or is that possibly the answer? …You secretly harbour homoerotic fantasies about Callmedave???? Go on..You can tell us…promise we wont tell…………..
So if she is praying to cure homosexuality, how can she say on the other side of her mouth that homosexuality is not an illness.
Also, she likes to identify others as ‘mindsets’, but she ignores the biggest and most harmful mindset of all, her own.
So let’s face it; in the UK, as in the USA, the political right has joined forces with the religious right while countless other countries are implementing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Cameron & Stroud = Bush & Paterson. Disgraceful.
Regardless of how cozy Stroud gets with politicians, it has been recently proven that chistian belief has no legal standing, and that will work against Cameron in the long run.
heh. she looks trans. or a lesbian. ironic.
This whole episode is sickening, and I want to know why it hasn’t hit the mainstream media yet – this woman has got a lot to answer for. And predictably, we’ve got the usual Tory sympathisers wailing on about this being a ‘smear’. Well, it’s not a smear. She’s not denied the comments about demonds causing homosexuality, and it’s all in her book. Same old frikking Tories >:-(
In this photo, she definitely looks like a guy wearing a wig, and no make-up.
She can be a Trans and still believe that homosexuality is caused by demons because a good percentage of Trans are in fact heterosexual, innit.
Isn’t this The King’s Arms Project where Philippa and her husband cured homosexuals using exorcisms???
Oh, and here’s Philippa Stroud’s book, “God’s Heart for the Poor”, written in collaboration with Christine Leonard, herself the author of best-selling “Affirming Love”, written for those individuals ‘who find it hard to believe that God loves them’. Nice dust jacket, innit.
Nice people to do bisnis wiv aren’t they? pople who know more about what we want than we do. I always find that helpful. Not. Great to see Everybody-loves-Me-I’m-Dave enjoying her ambience. too.
simonqq – abi isn’t like that, abi is rational though
Disgusted – probably cos no-one cares as it’s just christians being christians and many papers are also tory-sheeple
I’m really struggling to understand why nobody has put 2 and 2 together yet.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?comments_popup=13290 post 20.
This is Abi.
She said: [B]“I have personal experience of her, as she was the so called Christian counsellor my parents took me to. I was subjected to what amounts to emotional and physical abuse in a attempt to cure me of being transsexual. It caused me untold emotional distress that at one point lead me to a attempt on my own life.”[/B]
Ali posted that back in Jul 2009. Nothing to do with the election. She had direct experience of Philippa Stroud, and felt emotionally/physically abused. She even felt so distressed that tried to commit suicide. This is why these practices of trying to change someones sexuality is so dangerous.
wow you people really get vicious when people think differently don’t you. telling disabled people they cant go to pubs and calling them a waste of space. You talk nazi but clearly sound like them youd do them proud.
on the subject philippa stroud has let the party down. another one. will there never be an end to homophobic tories… i doubt it
vote lib dem.
Dean: “Iris no problem I’m learning it may have been a silly question I just wanted your opinion you seem ok”
Absolutely OK :)
Jonathan2 – shocking to read that. These people really are sick. I can’t think of any motivation to do that other than sadism masquerading as religion.
“So let’s face it; in the UK, as in the USA, the political right has joined forces with the religious right”
Frightening, isn’t it, JP? And they say WE have an agenda *rolls eyes*
@dean actually that post sums it up. clearly your abusive tone is meant to push people. ya nasty. which explains a lot. so pray do tell if you dont want people here to think differently whats the point of this.
This Philippa Stroud creature sounds less like a foul bigot and more like a crazed lunatic.
Has she been sacked from the Conservative Party?
If not then why not?
The stories described in this article about Philippa Stroud sound like child abuse.
Has Philippa Stroud been investigated by the police for child abuse?
She is a very dangerous, stupid, evil woman.
She is dangerous, cretinous, religious scum.
She is worse than the BNP.
When is Philippa Stroud going to be expelled from the Conservative Party.
Chris Grayling – bigot
Julian Lewis – bigot
Andrew Brigden – bigot
Iain Duncan Smith – bigot
Philippa Stroud – bigot
These are the vicious, dangerous scumbags that David Cameron is trying to persuade us, do not want to destroy our hard won rights.
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote for homophobia.
Dear Mr Cameron,
It was with utter disgust that I read in the Observer Newspaper yesterday about Tory parliamentary candidate Philippa Stroud’s shameful, disgusting history of child abuse.
I am speaking specifically about the appalling reports that Stroud tries to “cure” gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people through exorcising their “demons” through prayer.
Even more shocking this viciously abusive Stroud person refuses to confirm whether she believed homosexuality could be cured through prayer.
Philippa Stroud is a vicious, evil, stupid, bigot.
When is she to be sacked from the Tories.
Or are child abusers like Philippa Stroud welcome in the Tory Party?
I will not be voting Tory at the election as I cannot believe some of the monstrous bigots running for the Tories.
A child abuser like Philippa Stroud is a step too far. Even for the Tories.
#99 Exactly my thoughts on this Wiley character Dean. But my second thought was that it was squiffy assuming a new personna as he seemed strangely absent since post #62………and you just know he couldn’t resist coming back with another snivelling answer. Either that or my post at #84 hit the nail on the head…..whaddaya think?
Now if we could only ask Philippa how many years ago was the Earth created, we’d be one step closer to identifying a real corker of a religious nutter.
Imagine telling a questioning child:
“You’re WRONG, you’re completely WRONG; your whole MINDSET is WRONG!!”
Give me a break.
Vote Labour or Lib Dem it is as simple as that.
de villiers – I think you got the wrong name with the comment – I totally agree with you , I’m pretty sick and tired of these continuous naff stories that suddenly keep coming out just before the election. Thatcher and her croonies existed a long time ago, we , as Brits , have moved forward, we are NOT generally a homophobic nation, get over it , I live in a tiny village in West Wales with my partner and I experience NO discirmination whatsoever over my sexualioty. With the introduction of the CP (10 years after the majority lab were in power) and its easy passage thru parliament and its extreme exicitement of my local registrar who normally did marriages, the subject of equality between straights and gays are almost there, lab did not go the final step and make true equality , they have chosen to make us different to straight couples and have ghettoised us in the UK and the world by creating CPs and not gay marriages. There is no valid reason to have a difference, to creat a difference is discrimination. I don’t care about some twat saying I can’t stay in a B&B, Idon’t care about some twat who thinks I can be cured of my gayness, these are not “normal” people. Cameron is no homophobe as far as I can see and his party won’t do mcuh more or less that the lab will do. I am, however, sick and tired of Brown and lab, I’m sick of being a laughing stock of the world where the pound has plummeting by a third against all currencies , the economy is in dire straights, being taken to 2 wars by America. I want a change, LGBT rights in the UK gay are not that an important an issue in the UK compared to these… if lab had brought in gay marriages or were promising gay marriages then I’d vote for them, but they’re NOT!!!!. How the hell will they improve my LGBT rights and my standard of living from this moment on???
you people truly are nasty fcukers. i guess people who think differently have no place here then as you fail to answer my question? you really are something else. maybe you should get this website to promote a list of who you want and dont want make it clear its not free for all just one sided views.
Yea, staggering. I expect they’ll be driving an airliner into the UN building anytime now.
And to think multi-national corporations are using moronic pawns like Cameron and Stroud to ravage the world’s natural resources. Now that’s frightening!
Long live the Universal Declaration of Human Rights…and vote LibDem.
dont worry i aint coming back, i just needed to see this site for myself after i was told about how horrible the people are here. i couldn’t think it possible but you seem to have proved me wrong. you are vile nasty intolerance people who clearly only know how to discriminate.
Wiley, get in the pool, please.
Iris thanks for understanding.
Patrick youre spot on
The bottom line is that the tories track record on gay rights has been abysmal, and for all the hastily cobbled together pre-election promises the lasting impression is they’re only interested in LGBT equality when there are votes in it.
Labour has its faults but I’ll grant them that we’ve made more progress on gay rights in the 13 years since they came to power than the Conservatives did in the previous 17, and the Tories have been consistantly voting against our rights until about 3 years ago when they started to twig that we might be duped into tipping the ballot box in their favour.
On any other policy take your pick, but I’m not going to vote Tory just because they throw us a pre-election bone… I’m more interested in their track record BEFORE the election spin-cycle got underway.
Right now I get the impression they’d offer us personal services if they thought there were votes in it. I give it a week.
Nothing worse in this world than Nasty Gay Bigots. Just glad the rest of the gay community isn’t like this.
Goodbye. Good Riddance.
Alan. “LGBT rights in the UK gay are not that an important an issue in the UK compared to these”. if your wellbeing depended on it you’d understand the importance, some things are more important than money you know.
Wiley ” you people truly are nasty fcukers.” from you I take that as a compliment
We sure got rid of him, eh Dean?
He’ll be back…different name…you”ll see.
Wiley – why are you defending child abuse.
The story in the Observer yesterday stated quite clearly that Philippa Stroud abuses children (or as she would call it ‘exorcising their demons’) through her religious affiliations.
Child abusers have no place in politics.
Based on the Observer story Philippa Stroud is quite clearly a child abuser.
She has no place in politics.
If the Observer stories are true then Philippa Stroud should be in jail.
If the Observer stories are not true then I expect to see Stroud win a case for libel against the Observer.
Think what you like about the editorial stance of the Observer but they research their stories properly.
If the Tories do not sack Stroud then it is an admission by Cameron that the Tory Party support child abuse.
Philippa Stroud’s new Frontiers Church is one of a global alliance of churches who train up people for leadership in places of power and influence and to “plant” new churches often in the most deprived communities where the vulnberable are drawn in and indoctinated into weird fundamentalist beliefs such as homosexuals being a demonic force that must be fought and eliminated and that women must be subservient to their husbands and submit to the husbands leadership.
Philippa Stroud joined the Tory party primarily as a platform to spread her evangelism and influence law and legislation as she states quite clearly in an interview from 2008, this should be of great concern especially to gays whose rights are a prime target and anyone who believes in a woman’s freedom to choose regarding abortion, or the the right to choose to die with dignity.
I do voluntary work with an HIV/AIDS buddies group and both people I have visited since yesterday morning have said this Philippa Stroud story has got them really worried. They fear that if Philippa Stroud is in charge of the Tories Social Justice policy then combined with savage cuts that will have to be made in the coming years there’s a very real possibility that under the Tories the expensive medication which is keeping them alive will no longer be free and there is no way they could pay for it. And to be honest if people like Philippa Stroud are in charge of deciding on matters of “social justice” then I agree there is a real threat to the thousands of gay men in the UK who are currently reliant on expensive retrovirals.
What really angers me about this story is that the Tories have the nerve to condemn those vile racists the BNP for their bigotry, while Tory candidate Philippa Stroud’s attitudes towards homosexuality is far more evil, dangerous and bigotted.
How old were Stroud’s victims, when she abused them, does Pink News know?
Is it possible that Philippa Stroud should be answering charges of child abuse. The ‘Abi’ person in the story was only a teenager when Stroud abused her.
Should Philippa Stroud be facing criminal charges?
And WHY has she not been sacked?
Do the Tories support Stroud’s evil campaign of psychologically abusing vulnerable people in the name of ‘religion’?
You’re right. It is an international backlash against the gains made by the Human Rights Movement, and human Rights Watch would agree with you 100%.
Stroud did work in China years ago with the gang members who were so addicted they were of no use to the gang and pushed aside to live in the “City of Darkness” along with aging and drug-addicted prostitutes who were also useless to the Trade.
She saw these people as ‘broken’ people and she was determined to fix them, to transform them, to change their mindsets with nothing but god’s love…
Check out her website.
Oh and here’s a 20-minute interview:
“…a platform to spread her evangelism…”
Boy, have you got that right!!
Nick Herbert is meant to be the Tories’ nice, progressive face of happy-to-be-gay Conservatism. An openly gay man who’s feeling good about himself, openly Tory, and a sign that times have changed.
So if any of you wonder about how he must be feeling about Philippa Stroud and her homophobia, her “praying” over gay people to cast demons out of them, have a look at http://www.philippastroud.com/index.asp?p=11&galleryID=29
Yes, there on Philippa Stroud’s Tory Party website, 1st photo: Nick Herbert standing proudly next to her, brandishing the Tory manifesto.
If ever you needed any demonstration of why the Tories – even gay Tories – still cannot be trusted on the issue of gay rights, isn’t this all it takes ?
Can any Tory supporter on here explain why we shouldn;t all take a warning from this ?
Robin, thanks for your contribution. I agree.
If the Tories get in and the likes of Christopher Grayling, Julian Lewis, Andrew Brigden, Iain Duncan Smith, and Philippa Stroud review where best to save money they would certainly take a very strong look at the cost of meds for people who are HIV – most of whom are gay men.
Would Stroud and the rest of them think it worth spending thousands of pounds each year to save a man who not only has a terminal illness but who is riddled with demons as well?
Not bloody likely. Fascist Tory scum. Little better than the BNP or UKIP.
This woman is a dangerous, extremist.
If the Tories do not sack her, and if she wins her seat then Philippa Stroud must be watched like a hawk.
She cannot be allowed to promote her vicious, evil, stupid, undemocratic bigotry. She must be opposed at every turn.
Someone so evil, that they would psychologically abuse LGBT people by telling them they are ‘possessed by demons’ and can be ‘cured’ should be in prison or hospital. They have no place trying to pervert democracy in Parliament.
F*** you Philippa Stroud – you sicken me.
And the Conservative Party sickens me seeing as they haven’t sacked you yet.
DavidW and Jean-Paul: excellent research from you guys!
I can’t believe that pic of Stroud and Herbert side by side.
Stroud’s a hypocrite who is using the puppet Herbert to make the Tories seem gay-friendly.
And Herbert’s a hypocrite who is using the Tory party to further his own advancement and is prepared to overlook the fact that the woman he is campaigning with actually thinks he’s full of evil and demons.
When I analyse this it scares the poo out of me. The Tories are totally dodgey.
SimonM, the Conservatives won’t sack Philippa Stroud because they all really LIKE and APPROVE of Philippa Stroud . . . and they’re probably all hoping that Observer story hasn’t caused any ripples outside of tiny gay circles like this. Has it caused any greater damage? I haven’t heard a thing about it on yesterday’s or this morning’s news.
We need the Outrage group or Stonewall to do something big and quick!
#113 “Nothing worse in this world than Nasty Gay Bigots” – what about Nasty Homophobic Bigots. WTF, you obviously think being gay is worse than being homophobic. So fcuk off you ‘bigoted vile nasty intollerant discriminating vicious nazi talking homophobic bully.’ – these are all the words you use to judge everyone else whilst at the same time you try and make us believe you are an innocent nice man. You’re just like that Squidgy fella – a big sob story.
Isn’t there a law against Stroud’s kind of behaviour? Obviously not. But if there were groups of gay guys who were ‘curing’ people of christianity or heterosexuality, I’m sure there’d be something done about that group.
Shouldn’t we at least start picketing these ‘gay cure’ centres. It’s just wrong that we let them carry on without anything being done to them. I mean I remember that play about Sikhs in Birmingham a few years ago and they had to cancel the play because of the demonstrations by Skihs who found it offensive – then you have a centre that ‘cures’ gay people, and we do nothing about it except bicker between one another on here. Have we all gone to sleep? Maybe the new tory government will wake us up when stroud starts putting her homophobic ideas into parliament. I’d go myself, but I reckon it’s a bit sad stood there on my own. I’d look like a loon – Tatchell is cool, cause he looks like a loon and doesn’t care.
Does anyone know if there is a gay organisation I can join that is more proactive in doing things like protesting outside homophobic places? Stonewall, outrage, lgf etc, they all seem to have shut down or don’t do anything to upset the status quo. Or do we have to leave everything to Tatchell, poor fella must be knackered by now. Maybe I am wrong and just don’t know where to find this proactive gay group? Please tell me if I am and point me in the right direction.
Argos I think the Tories are worse than ukip and bnp they are sickening but there honest.
Jay, I think you’re righly pointing up the fact that Peter Tatchell has been our man and he’s done so much for us and we’ve come to rely on him but even if can’t go on forever. It takes such a hell of a lot of energy and he’s given so much already. But it might be worth dropping him a line at PeterTatchell.net ?
Philippa Stroud’s Facebook followers page has disappeared. As has her Twitter account. She is trying to hide.
People need to email David Cameron and urge him to sack this lunatic extremist.
Even the likes of Squidgy surely cannot support crazed, evil, abusive individuals like Philippa Stroud.
Here are their email addresses
It was with utter disgust that I read in the Observer Newspaper yesterday about Tory parliamentary candidate Philippa Stroud’s shameful, disgusting history of abuse.
Or are abusers like Philippa Stroud welcome in the Tory Party?
I will not be voting Tory at the election. I cannot believe some of the monstrous bigots running for the Tories.
An abuser like Philippa Stroud is a step too far. Even for the Tories.
SimonM, I think urging Cameron to sack Stroud is a waste of time because it’s clear that she is just an indicator of who the Tories really are underneath. What we need to do is try to get this matter into the mainstream media so that a good number of people change their minds about voting Tory – particularly any LGBT people who are still that way inclined after all the evidence about Tory bigotry that has leaked out in the past couple of months.
How do we get this story into the mainstream press?
It is too important to ignore.
Philippa Stroud is a dangerous, evil, abusive extremist.
If the Tories win the election and the likes of Stroud, Grayling, Lewis, Duncan-Smith and Brigden get elected then times are going to get very tough for LGBT people.
Spread the word to your heterosexual friends and family about Stroud. She must be stopped.
Anyone noticed …Squidgy is missing since I twigged he’s got homoerotic fantasies about Callmedave the Salesman………..teehee
For the sake of UK Plc. the Racist Homophobic Law and Justice tories must be stopped….. They will turn the UK into another Albania Minor. Indeed they will make Albania look like a rich, progressive country in conparison.
VOTE ANYONE BUT THE RACIST HOMOPHOBIC LAW AND JUSTICE TORIES.
I said.” Argos I think the Tories are worse than ukip and bnp they are sickening but there honest” I mean true to themselves whereas the dave will say anything to get elected he has no integrity.
sorry…#134 comparison… obviously………
#128. Thanks Eddy. Just been on his website. I didnt realise he did so much other campaiging for freedom. And I thought my views were a bit hard to stomach sometimes but he is totally full on. Incredible guy though.
And you’re right we need to get this story into the media.
I’ve got some freinds at the BBC – documentary – but because its public funded I know she’ll say she can’t do anything. I’ve tried before. But a documentary about these religious cults is needed.
Anyone else reading know anyone in the media?? If you do, you need to get in contact with them too. These ‘cure centres’ and those who organise them must be stopped one way or another.
Philippa Stroud looks like a broken woman to me.
She could fix herself with a little faith in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but becoming an elected MP will only break her more, and we will see to that.
@137 Jay 6pac: a documentary about these religious cults. What a great idea. And how they infiltrate society under pretext of “loving the poor”; yea, yea… Whatever love the poor need they will get when their human rights are respected.
If you want to see some of the power connections within the Tory party these Christian extremists have built up, look at http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/02/secret-christian-donors-bankroll-tories
For example, Philippa Stroud’s election campaign gets money from Mr Michael Farmer, who said “The core unit of society – husband, wife, parents, children – has been dismantled. Labour’s idea of a family is three people who share a fridge” i.e. he sees family and society as a hetero family unit, we’re excluded. Farmer has bought his way into Tory high circles with total donations of possible nerer £1m. Stroud says that Christians like her “have a unique understanding of the value of human beings” – yeah, none of us godless gay types have any understanding of the value of our fellow humans, do we ? Only those Christian types have it.
Stroud runs the CSJ think-tank which claims to have formulated 70 Tory policies, which was set up by Iain Duncan Smith, who in 2003, with more than 70 Tory MPs (13 of them front benchers) voted to keep Section 28, who claims gays are ‘half a percent’ of the population, who has persistently organised votes against us and called us ‘irrelevant’.
The influential ‘Conservative Home’ website is run by another of that gang, Tim Montgomerie, who also started the Conservative Christian Fellowship, which has at least 37 Tory candidates at this election as paid-up members. The CCF talks about ‘supporting marriage’ by voting Tory, and lobbies within the party on education and social policy etc.
When Tory candidate in North Ayrshire & Arran, Philip Lardner, wrote that we (gays) were ‘not normal’, Montgomerie sprang into print to defend him and said his views were shared “by many Conservative Christians” and opposed Lardner’s suspension from the party.
These people also work with Christian Concern For Our Nation which opposes “a tide of unchristian legal and political changes in the United Kingdom”. It’s linked to the Christian Legal Centre which provides lawyers & advice to Christians who want to discriminate against gays, like the guy sacked by Relate because he refused to provide counselling to gay couples because of his Christian beliefs. Christian Legal Centre is linked to an American group, the Alliance Defence Fund, which says “God created our sexuality to be expressed between a man and a woman married to one another.”
So that’s the problem if you’re an LGBT person thinking of voting Tory at this election. The people you are getting into bed with have a very specific agenda opposed to your rights and equal treatment; they have far more members, money and clout than the gays & lesbians who may become Tory MPs; and they have nasty, but pwerful allies.
“Farmer has bought his way into Tory high circles with total donations of possible nerer £1m”
And Farmer will be expecting a moral return for his money, for sure, in terms of this country being made “respectable” and “decent” again, i.e. no more bending over backwards to help those damn queers!
“the Conservative Christian Fellowship, which has at least 37 Tory candidates at this election as paid-up members.”
Cripes, that’s frightening! I mean, a few nominal Christians in the Conservative Party I could cope with, but 37 born-agains, bloody hell!
“So that’s the problem if you’re an LGBT person thinking of voting Tory at this election. The people you are getting into bed with have a very specific agenda opposed to your rights and equal treatment”
DavidW, very well and very clearly put!
I hope any people thinking of voting Tory will now see the danger the Tories pose to LGBTs and that they will vote LibDem or Labour in their constituency in order to try and keep the Tories out!
Has everyone checked out who came first and second in their constituency at the last election, or which two are likely to gain the most votes?
In your constituency vote for whichever party has the greatest chance of keeping the these fundamental Christian Tories OUT.
Excellent. Thanks for the exposé.
I think of it as an international backlash against the gains made by the Human Rights Movement, and we have made tremendous gains.
Did you know that Harvard University now has a Chair in Gay Studies…and there’s no such thing as “Casting out Demons 101″ among intelligent and civilized persons.
Thanks for that Guardian link, DavidW. Have just read that former investment banker Ken Costa gave £50,000 last month to the Tories last month and he is the chairman of Alpha International, an organisation that promotes the hugely popular Alpha course that has introduced millions of young people to fundamentalist Christianity. Alpha is an awful organization, full of peer-pressure and all the trappings of Christian born-again fundamentalism.
If the Tories win then Ken Costa will be demanding value for his massive donation! He will be wanting the law to be changed so that Christians can treat queers with the derision and scorn that they deserve (in their opinion).
This is really really frightening, isn’t it.
Let all your LGBT friends and gay-friendly straight friends know about this. Spread the Guardian link, people. There’s still three days to reach one hell of a lot of people.
Philippa Stroud has not been sacked for her abuse of vulnerable people.
She is an evil, scumbag to be engaging in such abuse.
Why do the Conservative Party condone her abuse of vulnerable people?
A vote for the conservatives is a vote for Philippa Stroud . . .
A vote for the archaic
A vote for Fundamentalist Christianity
A vote for 12th century thinking
Demons have no place in 21st century ontology
Here is the programme of “The Alpha Course” which is chaired and run by one of the Tory Party’s major donors:
Week 1 Who is Jesus?
Week 2 Why did Jesus Die?
Week 3 How can we have Faith?
Week 4 Why and how do I Pray?
Week 5 Why and how should I read the Bible?
Week 6 How does God Guide us?
Week 7 How can I Resist Evil?
Week 8 Why and how should I tell Others?
Week 9 Does God Heal Today?
Week 10 What about the Church?
Do you think there’s some nice cosy space for us queers in there? Not bloody likely.
Don’t vote Tory. I’m not.
Speaking of the anti-gay fundamentalist agenda, have you seen what Lou Engels is pulling off in Uganda:
Note that NGOs, the UN and Unicef – organizations which promote development through Human Rights – are being targeted as an evil influences.
The Human Rights Movement is seen as evil by corrupt politicians and fundamentalist religious nutters because we demand transparency in human rights abuses, e.g. Philippa Stroud’s abuse of gay youths.
Vote tactically to avoid “Gay Cure” MPs being elected . . .
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Source – New Statesman
“At the Conservative party conference last year, the traditional hymn and prayer were dropped in favour of a 500-seater church service, a pipe organ, folk music and a gospel choir in the style of American mega-churches. Change is coming. But perhaps not in the way many envisage.”
Apologise . . . the above article is by “Sunny Hundal”
Note of Apology . . . the above article is by “Sunny Hundal”
Pure pure evil. The true face of the Tories
What a bunch of ****ing sickos. What they do is extremely harmful and can often lead to depression or even suicide. It basically amounts to bullying, manipulation and psychological torture – all because they don’t want to accept us for who we are.
The people who do these sorts of things should be locked up in prison, and yet it’s totally legal. We have the Tories and their beloved Lord Waddington to thank for that. First, the Tories voted against the Equality Bill, then Waddington succeeded in putting through this amendment:-
“For the avoidance of doubt, the discussion or criticism of sexual conduct or practices or the urging of persons to refrain from or modify such conduct or practices shall not be taken of itself to be threatening or intended to stir up hatred.”
I defy anyone to tell me that the bit I bolded isn’t at least in part a direct reference to this barbaric “conversion therapy”. And all in the name of “freedom of speech”. If the Conservatives love freedom of speech so much, why aren’t they more keen to let ethnic and disabled people “enjoy” the same level of “freedom” us LGBTs have to endure?
What has happened to Squidgy. He hasn’t been heard from since he posted #111 as Wiley….Have we finally seen him off? Or has Callmedave finally been in touch and fulfilled his dearest fantasy. Seriously tho i’m worried…………………………………………………………………………………Not!
To whoever it was way up above who claims that the whole of Britain is no longer a homophobic nation because in his tiny little village in the west of Wales (quote) nobody has give him and his partner any trouble over their being gay, I say “GET REAL”! Can’t you keep more than one thing in your head all the time, or what? Don’t you read the blasted papers, you fool? Didn’t you read the other day about the gay man stabbed to death in Trafalgar Square in the heart of London for simply walking hand in hand with his partner? And that’s just one example. There are others on here who will tell you what they dare not do in their towns and cities and there are others who will tell you of the homophobia and hate that they have witnessed. GET REAL! Life in your cosy little village in the mountains is absolutely no reflection whatsoever of what life is like in most of modern-day Britain. If you want to live in rural bubble in the back of beyond, fine, but don’t tell US that everything is sweet elsewhere because it is sweet in your little village!
Some people are so gullible and blind, allowing selective memory and selective vision to dominate their thinking, that they shouldn’t be allowed to vote!
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The suggestion that the Conservative candidate is likely to win Sutton and Cheam doesn’t make any sense. It is currently held by the Liberal Democrats and every poll indicates that the Tories will lose seats to the Lib Dems, not the other way around.
Go real – Christians pray. They pray for gays, straights, soldiers, teachers, mothers, children, dogs, cats, friends and enemies.
The only way the gay community can achieve real equality is to let go of this “poor me” victim mentality, which is quite frankly rather pathetic.
Admin. it would be great if posters had to have a registered email to post here there is a certain distraction that keeps comming back.
“Go real – Christians pray. They pray for gays, straights, soldiers, teachers, mothers, children, dogs, cats, friends and enemies”
So? Some of them also set themselves up as divine judges of other people. Some of them have used the Bible to justify their racism and their misogyny – and some of them are still using the Bible to justify treating other human beings as inferior.
People who think that gay people can be cured by casting out demons shouldn’t be taken seriously. It’s disturbed (ie a mental problem) at best, and malicious at worst. Note – I’m not being flippant about mental problems there, if that is ‘best’ then it’s pretty bad. Nor am I talking about Christians in general, just the fundies.
The Tory party’s reputation is hugely damaged by allowing such people in it, in my opinion. The last thing I want is a nutty religious right having influence in politics like in the US.
The Telegraph Newspaper take up the story of the “Gay Cure” MP Philippa Stroud.
“So? Some of them also set themselves up as divine judges of other people. Some of them have used the Bible to justify their racism and their misogyny – and some of them are still using the Bible to justify treating other human beings as inferior.”
Come on! Who does not judge? Just open your eyes and look at these comments. All sort of school yard name calling – “pure evil”, “sicko”, “religious fruitcake”. The only difference is that we judge based on some internalised victimhood mantra rather than an ancient work of fiction.
Well said, Iris (at two posts above this)! Quite right. They don’t just pray for us, they have a humongous mountain of anti-gay homophobic rubbish in their heads which motivates them to doing that praying, and to doing us a lot of other hurtful stuff besides, such as slamming the door in our face when we present ourselves on the doorstep of their businesses!
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@Mark . . . in what way is Tory MP Philippa Stroud not a “Religous Crackpot” . . . according to the Telegraph’s story
Well, somebody here succeeded in getting this story printed in a mainstream paper.
You sum it up nicely:
“The Tory party’s reputation is hugely damaged by allowing such people in it, in my opinion.
The last thing I want is a nutty religious right having influence in politics like in the US.”
@JohnK – Read the story. The Telegraph story has no content. The Guardian story is full of unspecific allegations – “Abi” & “T” – do they not have last names? Can’t they specify when the alleged offence happened?
And aren’t you surprised that this story appeared on the same day the Guardian declared its support for LibDem???
@Mark . . . Philippa Stroud (Prospective Tory MP) said that she was not going to apologise for her “Christain views”
Mark . . . in what way is the following beliefs and mindset of Phillippa Stroud not the hallmark of a “Religous Crackpot”
* Trying to Cure homosexuality through prayer ?
* Belief in demons ?
* Adherence to thinking based on 12th century ontology ?
Finally – If I ask a Christian for advice and help, why should I be surprised if their advice is based on Christian believes?? And why should anyone be offended because of it??
@Mark why would you want “Christian Advice” based on 12th century thinking, values and mindsets . . .
Mark . . . do you not live in the 21st century ?
@Mark you said “Come on! Who does not judge?”
Surely Christians are not supposed to judge, are they?
@JohnK – I’m not a Christian so I can’t defend their believes. All I can say is I don’t ask them for advice about my relationship with my partner. If I do and I’m surprised by their advice, then I am an idiot
@dave – I never believe that Christians are better than anyone else. Do you?
Faith is by definition a belief in something that cannot be proven. At least Philippa uses her faith to help people
“At least Philippa uses her faith to help people”
Mark . . . how is using prayer to cast out demons of homosexuality helping people exactly?
“Come on! Who does not judge?”
Mark, at least my opinions are mine. I don’t seek to give them unarguable weight by pretending they’re the word of god.
Moreover, fundies are wrong. The Bible does NOT condemn consensual same sex relationships. In my opinion (yes, MINE not god’s and so I take full responsibility for it) many fundies seek to distract themselves from their own insecurities by picking on others. In their minds, someone has to be ‘wrong’ to make them feel better about themselves.
And I don’t feel like a victim, thanks. I feel just as good as anyone else. But I’m disgusted when people try to use religion to justify hatred of other human beings – whether they’re female, black, gay, disabled. It’s dishonest and offensive.
@JohnK – Do a google search on Centre for Social Justice and see the work they do. I’m not Christian but I can appreciate the important work they do for homeless people
@Iris – If you believe that their argument carries more weight than yours because it is based on an ancient fiction it is really your problem
Mark you wrote
“At least Philippa uses her faith to help people”
Mark . . . how exactly is using prayer to cast out demons of homosexuality helping people in the 21st century
@Iris – I remember Tina Fey’s brilliant satire of Sarah Palin but quoting her words directly without changing anything. So here is my attempt:
“In their minds, someone has to be ‘wrong’ to make them feel better about themselves”
“Moreover, fundies are wrong”
” At least Philippa uses her faith to help people”
To mentally and physically abuse vulnerable young people, as Philippa Stroud has done, does not help people.
Are we all aware that her church – the New Frontiers church – has a policy that women MUST obey their husbands.
Philippa Stroud’s husband is a crazed fundamentalist as well you know.
Anyone who votes for Philippa Stroud is voting for the Christian Taliban.
Thanks to the Tories’ support of the vile Stroud and Grayling characters, it can be said that a vote for the Tories is a vote for the English Taliban.
Can’t figure out exactly what it is you’re trying to say.
Google Humanitarian Aid and see how much good is done by countless millions of people who are basically altruistic, not religious. Check out Amnesty International. Unicef.
We don’t have to become religious crackpots to help the poor, do we.
@Jean Paul – You are quite right. I don’t believe religion is a precondition for charitable acts. But if someone’s religion leads her to perform charitable acts I’m not going to discount them
@SimonM – Now dial down the hysteria. The only thing the newspaper story claimed is that they prayed. What crime against humanity! Or do you know something we don’t know??
” I don’t believe religion is a precondition for charitable acts. But if someone’s religion leads her to perform charitable acts I’m not going to discount them”
Mark . . . in what way is it a charitable act to . . .
1.Treat homosexuality as demon possession,
2.Offer a cure for homosexiality through prayer
3.Claim that you can cure homosexuality when there is no medical or psychological proof for such claims.
@Mark – Are you one of those people whose world is just “gay gay gay gay gay” and nothing else? Otherwise what blinds you from seeing that most of the people she helped don’t even discussed sexuality or religion with her?
Here we have two cases “Abi” & “T” who asked a Christian Counsellor for advice about their sexuality, and then got offended when the advices are based on religious belief. Why did’t they go to secular places for help if they do not like religion?
“If you believe that their argument carries more weight than yours because it is based on an ancient fiction it is really your problem”
I don’t believe it carries more weight – I believe they will it to do so.
I put ‘wrong’ in inverted commas because it’s how fundies see it. You could equally use bad/evil/sinner etc etc. Don’t be disingenuous.
Two questions for you, Mark:
1) Are you a Christian?
2) What point are you trying to make on this thread?
That’s not meant to be a rude question, only an interested one as I don’t believe you’ve made yourself totally clear on this thread – eg you initially said that Christians pray for everyone, but the story here is Ms Stroud saying that gayness is a result of demons and they can and should be cast out – rather more than praying.
Mark – you mean homophobic mistranslated and misunderstood garbage! LBG aren’t victims either! Abi was forced to go the article says for example!
Mark . . . in what way is Phillippa Stroud (Prospective Tory MP) conducting charitable acts when she . . .
1.Treats homosexuality as demon possession,
2.Offers a cure for homosexiality through prayer
3.Claims that she can cure homosexuality when there is no medical or psychological proof for such claims.
@Iris – I’m not a Christian. I would like to think of myself as a socially liberal atheist. It means that I think everyone should be entitled to their own silliness – be it religion or taste in music.
I see no case of Mrs Stroud trying to enforce her believe on anyone else. We have two individuals who asked for religious councelling but are then offended because of the religious bias. Then poor Mrs Stroud is vilified on these pages.
Never mind the work she had done for homeless people, never mind the fact that she didn’t push her ideology on anyone. If you have a different opinion from the gay mainstream (if there is such a thing) then you are abused and insulted. Ever wonder why the rest of the world see gay people as self-centred bigots?
Of course this problem is not unique in the gay world. All identify politics is based on victimhood – “we as a group has been wronged thus we need to organise to defend ourselves”. Sometimes these victimhoods are real, but most of the time it is imaginary. The more we emphasize the victimhood the more we fragment our world
So if I do believe in something, here it is – celebrate diversity, but don’t dwell on differences
Philippa Stroud looks like a pockmarked drug addled ex-prostitute. She’s got the policies to match!
I doubt that anyone who is gay would approve of Phillipa Stroud’s activities relating to gay people, should they be proved or admitted. However, this is overplayed and causing a disproportionate frenzy of hate towards both Christians and those who support the Conservative Party.
The Tory party attracts those from the socially conservative and religious right in addition to the social and market liberals. That there are religious persons in the Party is nothing new.
It is also unlikely to be controversial to note that there are Labour MPs who, as practising Muslims, are likely to disapprove of gay activity; that the Labour government gave a knighthood to Sir Iqbal Sacranie who said on Radio 4 that he believed homosexuality to be “not acceptable” and same-sex civil partnerships to be “harmful”; and that those from more religious Muslim backgrounds are more likely than not to vote and support the Labour Party.
To placate their religious supports, the Labour government and ministers refused to speak out in relation to the Mohammed cartoons affair, has failed to crack down on religious dogma being taught in science classes, proposed and rammed through Parliament a law to protect, ostensibly, religious hatred but which was proposed far wider than that and was a real threat to freedom of speech, appointed in January 2010 thirteen faith advisors to advise it on policy making and, on their watch, they have done nothing to prevent the abuse of the Public Order Acts such that a man, Harry Taylor, was given a suspended sentenced prison sentence of six months for leaving anti-religious cartoons in an airport prayer room and was given an ASBO to prevent him from carrying religiously offensive material. To top it all off, the Labour government encouraged and procured the Pope to make a state visit to the UK.
None of this is to take away from the unpleasantness of Phillipa Stroud. It does, however, show that the extreme and blinded hatred of the Conservative Party is disproportionate and misplaced.
It is better that gay people are present in all political parties so as to ensure that whoever wins power, such voices can be heard. Nick Herbert’s position in the Conservative Party, with Alan Duncan and Margot James, a lesbian vice-chair of the Party, along with the other 20 candidates who are openly gay, ensure that the Conservative Party should remain responsive and sensitive to those who are gay.
Oh, dear, dear, dear! De Villiers is clearly yet another one of those very very sad but thankfully few gay men who has not enough genuine self-respect. What little he has is most probably gleaned from the smell of votive candles and incense and the merest glimpse of members of the Royal Family.
De Villiers has proclaimed that The Guardian’s announcement, that Stroud believes in the power of prayer to cast out the demons that she believes exist in homosexual persons, has elicited from we gay and lesbian people, quote, “a disproportionate frenzy of hate towards both Christians and those who support the Conservative Party”.
And he even questions the veracity of The Guardian’s report, completely forgetting that if their report were not absolutely true then believer-in-the-supernatural, believer-in-pixies-in-the-sky, Mrs. Stroud, would by now most certainly have issued a statement rebutting the announcement and pressed the matter legally.
Poor, poor De Villiers. A significant member of Tory machinations believes that gay and lesbian people are demonic, i.e. possessed of demons, and this sad sad man thinks that we ought NOT to be affronted as we are!
Maybe he thinks we should in fact all run to the nearest Tory or Fundamentalist Christian of the ilk of Mrs. Stroud and prostrate ourselves on the ground before him or her, and confess that, yes, we are indeed full of demons and evil and, yes, we would much appreciate it if he or she, personally, would lay upon us their hands and call down upon us the saving and healing grace of some holy but non-existent spirit.
What a pathetic self-important and deluded individual is De Villiers, all alone but highly self-regarding in some tower of the imagination. You can guarantee he wouldn’t go down well if he opened his gob in normal gay or lesbian company and came out with the nonsense he spewed here.
Iris …why should one care whether or not homosexuality is condemned in the bible. It is nothing more than a paranoid rant of a desert tribe of ignorant people, nearly five thousands ago, and bears no relation to our lives or indeed to the lives of the descendants of those who compiled the book, from a collection of stories passed down orally until the era of books.
well said Eddy and Johnk.
de-villers 20 years ago I would have never come out at work now a labour law protects me and mark she’s the reason homeless people prefer the streets to hostels preachy closeted cow. I wish I could be as spohistcated as eddy but I can’t so devillers and mark suck my nuts you punks.
“Iris …why should one care whether or not homosexuality is condemned in the bible”
I don’t personally, Patrick :D I’m an agnostic, and I believe the Bible is the word of men not god. But why I keep mentioning the Bible is that I dislike the lies that some fundies make about its contents. Half of them haven’t even read it, it seems. And I can’t sit here and let them pretend that the Bible condemns loving, consensual same sex adult relationships when it quite simply doesn’t.
I don’t really care about the Bible, but I don’t like people using it as a tool or a weapon to parade their own hatred and to condemn others with no reason.
I’m not a Christian. I would like to think of myself as a socially liberal atheist. It means that I think everyone should be entitled to their own silliness – be it religion or taste in music.
Mark when you say . . .
“Every one should be entitled to their own silliness”
Mark, the Royal College of psychiatrist have stated that not only do “Gay Cures” not work; but they are likely to lead to anxiety depression and in some cases suicide.
Mark, in what way is Philippa Stroud’s religion which advocates Gay Cures, in the category of being . . .”silly”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
“I see no case of Mrs Stroud trying to enforce her believe on anyone else. We have two individuals who asked for religious councelling but are then offended because of the religious bias. Then poor Mrs Stroud is vilified on these pages.”
Mark, two vulnerable children were entrusted into Mrs Stroud’s care, Mrs Stroud abused this trust by subjecting these children to unproven and dangerous Gay Cure therapies. Mark, which aspect of this appears unclear to you?
“Never mind the work she had done for homeless people, never mind the fact that she didn’t push her ideology on anyone. If you have a different opinion from the gay mainstream (if there is such a thing) then you are abused and insulted.
Mark, why does working with the homeless, excuse Mrs Stroud from being accountable for subjecting people to dangerous and unproven Gay Cure therapies?
“Ever wonder why the rest of the world see gay people as self-centred bigots?”
Mark, only you and Fundamentalist Christians appear to take the view that Gay people are self-centred bigots.
Of course this problem is not unique in the gay world. All identify politics is based on victimhood – “we as a group has been wronged thus we need to organise to defend ourselves”. Sometimes these victimhoods are real, but most of the time it is imaginary. The more we emphasize the victimhood the more we fragment our world
Mark, when you say . . .
“If you have a different opinion from the gay mainstream (if there is such a thing) then you are abused and insulted.”
Mark, why are you resorting to victimhood politics?
“So if I do believe in something, here it is – celebrate diversity, but don’t dwell on differences”
Mark, when has celebrating diversity meant that you can subject people to dangerous unproven quasi-psycho-religious practices; which may cause anxiety depression and even suicide?
Listen to William Hague defending Phillippa Stroud on BBC Radio . . .
What happens to the gay demons after they have been driven out of the gay person through Philippa Stroud’s prayers, are they perhaps set loose to go and possess another straight person and turn them gay or what?
Do the gay people who no longer have the gay demons because they have been removed by Philippa Stroud’s prayers suddenly turn straight and abandon their loving gay partners?
Would it be fair to say that Tory candidate Philippa Stroud is demonising gay people?
@JohnK – Hope amid all that hysteria you actually had a chance to read through the Observer article. The PinkNew and Telegraph stories are just derivatives from it and have no new information
The only crime Mrs Stroud has been accused of is praying. Shock horror – Christians pray! She was not giving electro-therapy, medicine, genital torture or anything dangerous to “Abi”. And yet people here call her Taliban. Imagine what the world would be like if the most dangerous thing the Taliban do is praying!
She did not abuse anyone’s trust. She works in a church and provided religion based advice and prayer. She offered exactly what it says on the tin. Even the story did not claim this “Abi” was psychologically manipulated in any way. So why do you feel the need to exaggerate?
You can argue that that “Abi”‘s parents should not send her to a church for sexual counselling but that’s a matter within that family.
“T”, the other character in the story, moved to Bedford on his own free will to seek help. Thus I doubt he was a teenager. Again, Mrs Stroud did not operate under false pretense. “T” wanted religious based help and it was offered. It turned out not to be something suitable for him but you can hardly accuse the her of abuse
So why am I defending Mrs Stroud? I don’t share her religion or politics, but I can see that she does work that makes the world a better place. For reasons that I don’t necessarily agree or understand she devotes her time to helping people. That help may not be suitable for everyone but I’m glad she is doing it. It would be a shame if she has to stop because of the abuse from the Internet
Yes, stop demoonising Philippa Stroud.
What causes Homosexuality?
To combat Homosexuality first you have to understand what it is: Leading scholars all agree that Homosexuality is actually a form of demonic possession. Your son may be possesed by one or more homosexual demons who may require exorcism.
How should can we cure Homosexuality?
The first step in curing your child is to throw him out of your house:
It may seem cruel but you need to send a strong message that this “deathstyle” choice will not be tolerated. Under no circumstance should you show any form of acceptance for your child’s foolish behaviour. He will soon learn to understand that the only way to win back your favour is to reject these “European” ideas. Only once he has returned can you begin with the next and most important part of his treatment: Ex Gay Therapy.
Exorcising a gay demon should not be undertaken lightly:
Under no circumstances should this kind of work be undertaken by amateurs. You need help from somebody who is steeped in the Holy Blood of Christ – your pastor should do. Under no circumstances should you consult a psychiatrist or physician unless they are a member of your church or a practicioner of Focus on the Family approved Ex-Gay therapy. Unfortunately the medical professions have been overwhelmed by an an evil “anything goes” secularist culture. If your son is a more serious case you should consider refering him to Focus on the Family’s premier ex-gay ministry: Love Won Out.
William Hague doesn’t really say a damn thing, does he?
Mark, in your opinion, is homosexuality caused by demonic possession or not?
Would you want someone who talks to fairies formulating social policies for the UK?
How is promoting such religious beliefs making the world a better place?
I am not saying she is totally ‘evil’, just terribly misguided and uninformed for a person with political aspirations, although DC does need her financial support.
Are you yourself remotely aware of the harm done, world-wide, to individual human rights by religiously inspired attempts to ‘transform’ human beings whether or not they may be going through a sexual identity crisis.
If helping the poor has strengthened her religious beliefs and energized her superstitious approach to ‘curing’ someone who is nor really sick, then what exactly are we looking at here??
Praying in itself is not a crime, of course, and the fact that muslim terrorists are in a constant state of prayer while terrorizing innocent people is perhaps an irrelevant example of the harm praying (self-hypnoses, self-brainwashing)) can do, but imaging what goes on during a spiritual cure for homosexuality is the best you and I can do at the moment. Although video footage does exist on YouTube.
Nobody has accused Philippa of praying though; we are appalled that a person in her position can have such a primitive mindset…and that does not mean we are hysterical.
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How would you sum up the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, sir?
And please tell us more about tough love and ex-gay therapy.
Here we have a recent news-maker, George Alan Rekers, co-founder of the “Family Research Council”:
The only crime Mrs Stroud has been accused of is praying.
And I suppose the only crime that bullies, who drive people to suicide, are guilty of is talking. And thugs who stomp people to death are only guilty of rapidly raising and lowering their legs. And car thieves are guilty of entering vehicles and then driving them. Yeah, it’s a crazy old world, isn’t it?
Even the story did not claim this “Abi” was psychologically manipulated in any way.
You honestly think trying to convince an emotionally vulnerable adolescent, who was coerced into “treatment” by her family, that there’s something wrong with her and that her feelings are sinful doesn’t count as psychological manipulation, let alone child abuse? This stuff causes depression. It causes suicides. And if it “works” (temporarily), it ruins lives.
Right. Just like how fathers should be able to decide whether or not they sleep with their daughters. Goddamned nanny state poking its nose in.
It would be a shame if she has to stop because of the abuse from the Internet
Oh god, we said mean things about her – we’re all such awful, awful people. Meanwhile, she abuses children, but that’s totally OK because that’s just what she happens to believe in.
I get tired of self-righteous twits telling us what awful people we are for having opinions. Reminds me of some of the tits we had to put up with during that Jan Moir fiasco. She uses her freedom of speech to say what horrible people gays are for being gay. We use our freedom of speech to say what a horrible person she is for making grotesque and deceitful accusations against innocent people. And then a bunch of white knights show up to tell us what horrible people we are for not giving her a round of applause.
Casting out demons involves more than praying, Mark… I don’t know what good Ms Stroud has done, but that good work, if it is so, doesn’t cancel out the fact that suggesting gayness is caused by demons is, with respect, rather mad, and victimising gay people in this way is both unnecessary and nasty. Whether her belief is a cover for her own problems or whether she genuinely believes in it, makes no difference.
She’s incorrect – wildly incorrect – and it’s being reported that she’s acting in such a way that harms other people and abuses them, damaging their mental health and self-esteem. You can’t be surprised that decent people (gay and straight) think that’s wrong, just as they think racist abuse is wrong, no matter what the belief of the racist.
You seem to think that because all this is implied to have gone on in a church that makes it OK – ie people knew what they were getting into. Firstly, that doesn’t apply to children or the emotionally vulnerable, and secondly, Ms Stroud isn’t keeping her beliefs in church, is she? She’s seeking to enter government.
How Cameron can get caught up with a person like Stroud is completely beyond me.
Everyone and everything is “broken” – society is “broken” – and she has the formula to fix it. I’d like to see some of the things and some of the people she’s fixed. That’s fair, innit.
Mark . . . why are you defending “Gay Cures” ?
Mark . . . why are your defending Mrs Stroud’s “Gay Cure” religous practices, which the Royal College of Psychiatrists have stated are likely to lead to anxiety, depression and even suicide.
Mark . . . why are you defending Mrs Strouds need to inflict anxiety, depression or even suicide on gay people.
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“If Cameron cares an ounce about LGBT people, he’ll sack Philippa Stroud”
Dear Benjamin Cohen,
You have rightly been concerned why the extraordinary Philippa Stroud story has been ignored by much of the mainstream media. You know the reason: forthrightly, or beneath surface appearances, much of the mainstream media is actually rooting for the Conservative Party.
But you know that one of the Conservative Party’s most important think-tanks is presided over by an individual who believes that YOU and I and all LGBTs are possessed of demons.
Dwell on that and it means exactly the same thing as her believing that we are demonic and evil. She believes we contain demons, therefore we are demonic. Demons are the agents of evil: we contain them, therefore she must believe we are evil.
In her heart this is what she must believe. And no doubt it is also what is REALLY felt and believed by the likes of Christopher Grayling, Iain Duncan-Smith, and many other Tories. And certainly it is also believed by those 37 Tory candidates whom the Guardian has exposed as being affiliated to Fundamentalist Christian institutions or associations.
So, put aside the mainstream media. Which party is Pink News going to now quickly come out in support of?
Please pump out your belief that all LGBT people should vote tactically to ensure that the Tories do not succeed in their constituencies.
Please advise all LGBT people to go to the following page, pop their postcode into the box near the top right, and then see how they need to vote to stop the Tories winning in THEIR constituency.
Please remind PinkNews readers that the less constituencies the Tories win, the less chance the Tories will have of winning the election.
Here is the link to the BBC constituency-finder:
Please take immediate action right across all your forms of communication, including Facebook and Twitter.
yeah society is broken and it’s camerons banker mates and mps who made us broke. cameron the millionare still took expenses to pay his mortgage while pensioners freeze to death.
FalpJack mentioned Narth.
Flapjack mentioned Narth.
Its key founder George Reker was caught after taking pretty boy Lucien- a 21 year old male prostitute – to europe.
Reker had several excuses. the first was he needed help with his “baggage”, and the second he needed massages.
People like him create, as someone said depression and suicides. As people are twised by BS fears of hell and promises of heaven if they do absolutely everything to continue vile hatred and bigotry in the name of God.
I know a couple of people like him. One is almost violent in his homophobia, he was actually a seatmate on a plane 15 years ago, totally drunk. Found out enough to discover he was dylan of Miami Studios.com fame. Where the teaser to buy the vids was him about to swallow someones peewee.
The other is a total psychopath. who for instance said of the vicious matthew shepard murder in 1998 in Wyoming – “his parents should have fixed him:”
Thats what those people create. there may be a veneer of civility about them, but if you keep challenging their beliefs you find out they have been turned into psychopaths.
The fix the gays people should be hung or was it head chopped off at the old london tower. simple as that.