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Alan Cumming ‘excommunicated’ by Church of Scotland

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  1. The usual self-centred celebrity babble whose only contribution has been to play a shape shifting lizard type thing in the Xmen.

    ““The Church of Scotland wrote to my mum and said they had read something about me being an atheist and would I like to leave the church, and I did. So I was excommunicated.””

    At best what this shows is that 1. this chap was a member of the Church of Scotland while declaring publicly that he no longer has “a belief” which is a bit weird on his part 2. they asked him to stop being a member of their god-bothering sect because he was no longer a god-botherer which kind of makes sense. Quite where the “excommunication” nonsense comes in is not at all clear but I suppose his agent suggested it would be a good “hook” to sell something.

    lgbt people should not give these god-bothering groups the time of day but on the other hand we surely deserve better that self-serving gobblygoog from Mr Cumming.

  2. If he’s an atheist, why does he care? If they had excommunicated his mum because of what he said, he’d have a reason to moan.

  3. hey pinknews. he’s not just a ‘gay rights’ campaigner. he campaigns for a lot more than that. he’s not even gay himself. he’s panssexual.

  4. Personally, I can’t stand this little attention-seeker.

  5. Having been raised as a child being dragged along to a Church of Scotland sunday school, I concur with Alan Cumming’s sentiments about them being more interested in tradition, protecting their institution etc. than they are in doing good.

    Also, he’s campaigned for a lot more than just gay rights (although he does a lot of work for gay rights in America), so its a shame to read the bitching about him in some of the above posts. He’s not had it easy all his life y’know.

  6. Pumpkin Pie 19 Apr 2010, 9:55pm

    Also, he’s campaigned for a lot more than just gay rights (although he does a lot of work for gay rights in America), so its a shame to read the bitching about him in some of the above posts. He’s not had it easy all his life y’know.

    Yeah, I don’t get the bitching either. Seems like a nice guy. A nice guy who’s actually made a positive contribution to the world!

    The usual self-centred celebrity babble whose only contribution has been to play a shape shifting lizard type thing in the Xmen.

    No, no – Nightcrawler was the teleporting one. The shape-shifter was Mystique, played by Rebecca Romijn. There ya go. I’m sure you care lots and lots. ;)

  7. Thanks for the clarification Pumpkin Pie, my gripe was about the complete illogicality of Mr Cumming’s statement, he seems to be talking a lot of rubbish in order to generate publicity. He might be a nice guy and he might have done some campaigning in America but that’s not what this self-generated story is about, it is about his “excommunication” (which wasn’t an excommunication) from a sect that he was a member of even though he didn’t believe in their strange belief system.

  8. “Alan Cumming ‘excommunicated’ by Church of Scotland”
    That’s the funniest headline I’ve read in ages.
    So who’s next? Frankie Boyle?

  9. he isn’t self-centred or attention seeking

  10. jonnielondon 19 Apr 2010, 11:14pm

    Who cares? It’s been years that I’ve been so over my religious indoctrination.

  11. su bo turnaround 20 Apr 2010, 1:30am

    I think its disgusting that pinknews carry this story which is trivial compared to the major story circualating scotland just now and that is the one concerning Glasgow City Council, Steven Purcell and Cllr Ruth Black who heads up The Castro Centre Glasgow.
    As most on this site are aware, pinknews covered this story on 30th Oct 2009 when this woman was allowed to take over the running of the centre, now that there is major investigations into it, pinknews fail to let its readers know about it.
    I would aks that readers contact pinknews and ask them to write about this very damageing situation which is engulfing Glasgow and Glasgow City Council, coruption, drugs and sleaze…all the very norm with Glasgow Gay Mafia in the “halls of power”

    As for religion and this story itself, i think there is more pressing issues concerning the LGBT community rather than some part time actor trying to rescue his career…who is he again? never heard of him.

  12. #6 Haven’t you noticed though, Pumpkin, it’s all the usual trolls that are bitching. Thats all they ever do. Its their default setting. In this case, theres also a huge helping of jealousey

  13. “#6 Haven’t you noticed though, Pumpkin, it’s all the usual trolls that are bitching. Thats all they ever do. Its their default setting. In this case, theres also a huge helping of jealousey”

    LOL. Yeah, its “jealousey”. Apart from needing a dictionary, you are also in dire need of a mirror – your comments are as caty as they are boring, Patrick.

  14. It’s fair enough, isn’t it? He decided he didn’t share the beliefs of an institution, they asked him to leave – to call it ‘excommunication’ is overdoing it a bit, I think.

    Not sure why they had to write to his mother rather than him though – was he still a minor or something?

  15. Queens in glass houses come to mind Terry. You don’t have a dictionary either, apparantly. My mistake was typo……was your “caty” remark a typo also…. I think not.
    No mirrors where you are either, i’ll wager.
    As for boring, reread your own comment, mary!……………

  16. George Broadhead, PTT 20 Apr 2010, 9:06am

    “It was more about tradition, habit, the thing to do. Then I began to realise that my being a part of it was only condoning and validating lots of things I disapprove of: oppression, guilt, shame etc.”

    It’s a pity that more religious gays and lesbians don’t draw this conclusion and ditch the Church that oppresses not just them but all of us.

  17. Well done Patrick, for proving my point right. Bravo. You’re a paragon of hypocrisy and a testament to banality.

  18. Excommunication is a religious censure used to deprive or suspend membership in a religious community. Alan Cummings has been told that he is no longer a member of the Sect of Scotland, by the same group. In other words he’s been deprived of membership in a religious community.

    If that isn’t excommunication perhaps those that deny that it is would care to state exactly what excommunication is.

  19. Alan, did you read the story? You write “Excommunication is a religious censure used to deprive or suspend membership in a religious community.” – well, ok, taking your definition Cummin was _not_ excommunicated. He was asked to leave, that’s what the story says. He may or may not have been asked to discuss the matter with the leading clowns of this particular sect (called Elders).

    Cummings himself says ““The Church of Scotland wrote to my mum and said they had read something about me being an atheist and would I like to leave the church, and I did.” so he was not “deprived” of his membership nor was his membership “suspended” – according to Cummings himself they wrote to him via his mother sayign “you appear to be an athiest, would you like to leave the Church?” which seems a perfectly logical thing for them to _ask_.

    So by your own definition Cummings was not excommunicated – do you understand that?

  20. Jeez some pig ignorant bitching going on in the first two comments.

    The guy is actually one of the better people of this sad old world. Alan Cumming OBE, emmy award winner on broadway…etc…etc… Not exactly a failed actor

    Some of the comments above must be by utter dimwits who know nothing about theatre.

    I too would like to know more about the GLBT centre corruption in Glasgow – there has been NO media coverage of this, following the resignation of the leader of Glasgow city council, after his admission in the Scottish newspapers to cocaine taking. It is a mess in Glasgow, and the gay community is being shortchanged by certain self interest groups affiliated with the corrupt glasgow council.

  21. Jennifer Hynes 20 Apr 2010, 10:07am

    Non-story. Whoever this bloke is, he’s obviously not getting enough attention, and to claim that he has somehow been disadvantaged by being “excommunicated” is laughable in the extreme, when he himself says he has left the church because he is an atheist. Methinks he’s just jumping on the “slag-off-religion” bandwagon as a way to curry media attention.

    If the CoS was to excommunicate him, then it has to go through three stages according to the Westminster Confession of Faith;

    1. Admonition
    2. Suspension from the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper for a season
    3. Excommunication

    Has he? No. He’s talking bollocks.

  22. J Mathews – This was posted a few days ago on various threads.

    PinkNews have had this story about a police investigation into possible corruption at the Glasgow LGBT centre since yesterday morning but they are not running it – why?

    Labour http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/police-quiz-purcell-ally-over-drugs-allegations-1.1020742

    Police quiz Purcell ally over drugs allegations
    Chris Watt
    15 Apr 2010
    Police have questioned one of Steven Purcell’s closest allies over claims of corruption and drug abuse at Glasgow City Council.
    Councillor Ruth Black, a personal friend of the disgraced former council leader, visited a police station to discuss allegations that she was unfairly given a £50,000 council contract because of her connection to Mr Purcell.
    Ms Black, 45, was also asked if she had a role in the supply of drugs in Mr Purcell’s circle after the former leader admitted to having taken cocaine in the past.
    In addition, she was asked about claims she herself had taken amphetamines. Ms Black denies any wrongdoing.
    SNP councillors last week accused Mr Purcell of cronyism over his decision to award a lucrative contract to run a gay and lesbian drop-in centre to Ms Black, ahead of a rival bid from the well-established organisation Glasgay.
    The Nationalists were acting on a tip-off which apparently included incriminating evidence about the council leader’s decision to give the contract to his Labour party colleague.
    Ms Black had run a previous incarnation of the drop-in centre, but quit in December 2007. The centre went bust at the end of last year with outstanding debts of more than £300,000.
    Ms Black was given the go-ahead to run the new centre, angering supporters of Glasgay, which has more than two decades’ experience of working in the city. Ms Black admitted that she went to London Road police station yesterday afternoon after officers contacted her on Tuesday.
    Drug allegations against Mr Purcell, she told The Herald, were “the whole raison d’être” of the meeting.
    “They asked if I was involved in taking them and passing them to other people as well,” Ms Black said. “Well, of course not.”
    She was also questioned over the allegations relating to her bid for the contract to run the drop-in centre, but dismissed the claims as “absolute rubbish”, adding: “I totally deny them.”
    The individuals who had tipped off the SNP, Ms Black claimed, were former staff members of the centre who held a grudge against her. She intends to take action against them, she said.
    “It did become clear to [the police] as I explained the background that it was two ex-employees who had a massive axe to grind,” said Ms Black.
    “That balanced things out, and it was clear it was a very malicious, nasty attempt to get revenge on me.” Ms Black described the on-the- record police interview as “possibly the most horrible experience I’ve ever had”.
    She added that she was “devastated” to be caught up in the situation.
    No charges have been brought, although Strathclyde Police indicated that they may need to speak to Ms Black again.
    A police spokeswoman last night confirmed that the interview had taken place voluntarily.
    Glasgow City Council said it would be “inappropriate” to comment.

  23. Chester “He isn’t self-centred or attention seeking”
    That’s even funnier than the headline. Show me a gay man who isn’t. That’s like saying “Catholics aren’t pious”. And for Christ’s sake, he’s an actor; If ever there was a vain, image-conscious, attention-seeking line of work, that’s it. Combine the two and you have someone that not only cannot walk past a mirror without checking it, but expect one in front of them at all times.

    See Rupert Everett, Michael Barrymore, Frankie Howerd, Kenneth Williams et al: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_actors

  24. Patrick James 20 Apr 2010, 2:24pm

    Rob-N writes:

    Chester “He isn’t self-centred or attention seeking”
    That’s even funnier than the headline. Show me a gay man who isn’t.

    Well there are lots of LGBT people who are not self-centred or attention seeking. You won’t see them in public life obviously but they are to be found everywhere in our society.

    See Rupert Everett, Michael Barrymore, Frankie Howerd, Kenneth Williams et al: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_actors

    But this is equally true of straight actors of course.

    P.S. Where is Vulpus Rex these days?

  25. Tony Lambert 20 Apr 2010, 2:36pm

    “Show me a gay man who isn’t”

    Another triumph of Rob’s prejudicial ignorance being projected on an entire segment of society as “proof” of his own broken mind. Rob-N is a seriously damaged individual.

    The correct respond to such a silly man is “show me the evidence that all gay men are”.

    Of course, he won’t have any. He never does. He really should try a course of lithium carbonate. It might help him be one bit the pathetic moron he’s is well know for being in here.

    A sad, sad, little person. A real tragedy, in fact.

  26. Tony: Am I picking on widdle diddums again? Aww. Boo-fvcking-hoo.
    I am not the one with my head stuck in the sand that is too blind to see what goes on around him and thinks all gay men are perfect and anyone that says otherwise ranges from a homophobe to a Nazi.
    Oh. you forgot to mention my “self-loathing”, of course. All gay men that think any other gay man is a complete wanker must *SO* hate himself.

  27. George Broadhead, PTT 20 Apr 2010, 4:25pm

    I suggest people read this Wikepedia account of Alan Cumming’s career to date and, more to the point, his record of campaigning for LGBT rights before before making such irrational judgments:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cumming

  28. #17 You proved nothing other than that you cant see the mote in your own eye, while screaming abuse at others.

  29. Godess, I wasted my time dealing with facts when Alan can’t cope.

  30. The Church of Scotland has NO doctrine of excommunication, unlike, say, the Catholic Church, so this story is an invention. As for the intolerance of the church, I’d say the Church of Scotland is a poor example of that, given that its General Assembly has voted to support openly gay and partnered ministers. This is a rather pathetic story from Alan Cumming. Attention seeking by a celebrity trying to get back in to the papers. I wish he’d chosen a better target than a church that is actually on the progressive end of the church spectrum.

  31. This appears on various news sites this morning and perhaps explains the self-publicity garbage generated by this Cummings person – “Scottish actor Alan Cumming is to appear in his first regular television role since the BBC comedy The High Life in the 1990s.

    Cumming, 45, will star as a spin doctor in the hit American show The Good Wife after playing the character in a guest slot earlier this year.”

  32. tthere are a lot of actors who get on the gay rights bandwagon to keep their careers in the spotlight. nothing new.

  33. Tony Lambert 22 Apr 2010, 6:59am

    “Tony: Am I picking on widdle diddums again? Aww. Boo-fvcking-hoo”

    Well done on answering a request for proof of your stupid statements with a playground insult. You must be so proud of that shining intellect. Tell me, were you always this stupid, or did something happen to you, apart from the obvious emotional damage you display with such vigour, that is?

    Now don’t you have some Crayola crayons to put back into their box?

  34. he has helped gay rights for genuine reasons, what has Ursula and others done?

  35. The hatred and jealousy displayed on this thread is a sad and vivid example of what is wrong with the gay community today.
    Had Alan Cummings ignored this little xtian strop and got on with his life someone, probably gay, would have got hold of it and jeered that he was hiding something. He’s damned when he did and would have been damned if he didn’t.
    Some of the bitter queens screaming abuse should take a look at their own sad lives hiding in a darkened roomscreaming abuse and invective at anyone and everyone.
    Alan Cummings is a successful actor and is a loud and proud voice for gay rights.

  36. Live in your little fantasy world if you want to JonCK, worship Cumming if you want to, but to me also he is a totally inconsequential little self-publicist and the sight of him on telly, when I have been unfortunate enough to have been caught by him, has sickened me – as does the sight of others of his ilk, most notably his great champion Graham Norton. So get used to the fact that many don’t hold superficial values in such high regard as you appear to.

  37. What a sad little turd you are argos. Just because JonCK points out that Cummings is a successful and hardworking actor and also a hardworking gay activist, you attack him. What do you think is so repulsive about “self publicising” actors and entertainers. Would it be possible that you had aspirations along that line and were rejected.
    Graham Norton was paid £6 million for a three year stint on the BBC.
    Why are you so angry and bitter. Its not good for your health to be so angry all the time.

  38. Patrick, you live in an uninformed world. You are controlled by the great capitalist machine. You prove it by seeking to exonerate the behaviour of the likes of Graham Norton by referring to what he is paid by the BBC.

    Patrick, there are many of us who think it is completely immoral that a degrading figure like Graham Norton should be paid £2 million pounds a year by the BBC. It stinks. It’s disgusting. And there is not a shred of jealousy involved in that judgement.

    Some of us see far greater worth in many other individuals on the face of this earth, than the likes of Graham Norton and Alan Cumming, regardless of how much money they may have earned.

    How sad it is when an individual like you clearly BELIEVES that the index of a person’s worth and value is the extent of the money they earn.

    There are nameless people doing extraordinary and noble things for practically zilch. THEY are the people I admire.

    But all this is way way way beyond you.

    Because YOU are a sucker for LOOK AT ME celebratory culture.

    You are a SUCKER who loves to WORSHIP superficial preeners.

    I bet you even know the latest gossip about your favourite glossy-mag “celebrities”.

    You see, people like me think of people like you as superficial weeds.

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