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Gay men’s bodies desecrated in Senegal

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  1. Yet again human beings at their worst. Although this is the act of savages and is surely an insult to call them human. I suspect some crazied religious type will follow this with some kind of defence for such disgusting actions.

    It’s alarming alright. I can’t imagine of the depth of the pain the victims families must be going through.

  2. It is 2010 and over two hundred years since the Industrial Revolution began in the United Kingdom; yet, however, these backward, ugly creatures still live in primative societies.

    Perhaps if they stopped harrassing, discriminating against and murdering gay people and, instead, focused on solving genuine problems in their respective societies, Africa wouldn’t be the scum and laughing stock of the earth.

  3. Stories like these never fail to bring out the racists in full swing…
    Never mind that the story mentioned that Senegal is a tolerant scoiety. They are all ‘ugly creatures’…

  4. Absolutely awful. I agree with Niki though – We’ve no more right to judge a whole continent based on these awful people than they have to judge us based on “our own” racist scum.

  5. Niki -

    “Homosexual acts are punishable by imprisonment of between one and five years in Senegal. ”

    Can’t WAIT to hear your definition of NOT tolerant!

  6. since when did ‘racist scum’ exhume black people in the UK from graves and put them on the doorsteps of their families. it’s not being racist to suggest that africa is incredibly homophobic. senegal is not a tollerant society. you get put in prison for being gay in senegal – you telling me that’s tollerant. it’s a muslim majority country that treats gay men like dogs. so yes, i have the right to judge them as a country because their law states i am a criminal – they judge me – from my perspective as a gay man, senegal is backward, ugly and primitive.

  7. and btw niKi i don’t want to be ‘tolerated’. i want to be equal, and have the same freedoms and respect as everyone else. not ‘tolerated’.

  8. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Apr 2010, 7:23pm

    “Across many parts of Africa, we’ve seen a rise in homophobic violence,” says London-based gay-rights activist Peter Tatchell, whose organization tracks abuse against gays and lesbians in Africa. “It’s been steadily building for the last 10 years but has got markedly worse in the last year.”

    And if you do look up the story in AP, you’ll see that Niki’s comment was justified because Senegal is (was) know as quite tolerant compared to other African countries.

    So here’s something else we can trace to the influence of American fundamentalist religious nutters in Africa, e.g. Rick Warren, Scott Lively, Richard Cohen…

    So who exactly are the savages?

  9. Simon Murphy 12 Apr 2010, 7:31pm

    “We’ve no more right to judge a whole continent based on these awful people than they have to judge us based on “our own” racist scum.”

    Indeed. We only have the right to judge the 37 (yes 37!!!!) countries that criminalise homosexuality.

    Not a penny in foreign aid should be going to the governments of these countries until this is changed.

    The ONLY aid these 37 countries should be receiving is aid that can be guaranteed not to persecute people.

    African countries which use the state systems – police and government – to persecute LGBT people, clearly don’t need financial aid, if they can waste money on persecuting minorities.

    Senegal is a former French colony isn’t it?

    Let’s hope the French response is less lacklustre than Britain’s reaction to the Ugandan government’s savagery.

  10. Har Davids 12 Apr 2010, 8:14pm

    How sick can we, homo sapiens, be that we would do such a thing to someone we used to know and whose family are still our neighbours? Maybe evolution should have passed us by.

  11. Inhumane mindless violence against our African brothers/sisters and their relatives . . .

    Sick Sickening Hate!!!

  12. This has nothing to do with the colour of their skin. I despise them as much as I despise the white supremacists. Vile creatures.

    And I also agree with Jay. It’s about acceptance, not tolerance.

  13. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Apr 2010, 9:22pm

    Senegal has just celebrated its 50th Anniversary of Independence by erecting a monument worth….$20 million dollars! Yup.

    That did upset people:

    http://www.france24.com/en/20100403-senegal-independence-monument-unveiled-statue-controversial-pomp-protests

    Just trying to get a picture of the circumstances for this outbreak of homophobia.

  14. Patrick James 12 Apr 2010, 9:45pm

    Simon Murphy writes:

    Not a penny in foreign aid should be going to the governments of these countries until this is changed.

    A reduction in international aid will not help this situation.

    The truth is that we do not occupy a moral position nor do we have any means in place to deal with homophobia like this in foreign countries.

    We have overlooked homophobia in Saudi Arabia and many other wealthy countries so we are not in a place to then attack poor countries because homophobic acts take place within them.

    I think, first, get “butch” with Saudi Arabia, then we will have some moral ground to stand on and complain about homophobia elsewhere.

  15. Jean-Paul Bentham 13 Apr 2010, 12:23am

    Basically, the Government of Senegal is allowing, if not encouraging, its citizens to violate human rights; while the human rights movement seeks to raise the price of abuse.

    In the Introduction to the “Human Rights Watch 2010 Annual Report”, Kenneth Roth explains that human rights activists are now capable of exposing abuses anywhere in the world, and that they do possess effective tools to bring abusers to justice.

    On the other hand, abusive governments want to lessen the cost of committing human rights abuses. Using whatever tactics available, abusive governments are now attacking the very foundations of the human rights movement.

    Among the tactics available in Senegal are the homophobic teachings of abrahamic religions which tend to alienate both the body and the soul from ‘everlasting peace’ among the ‘chosen’.

    For those who can’t read between the lines, respecting human rights can cost a government a great deal of time, organization and…money.

    A strong defense of human rights depends on the vitality of the human rights movement.

    I certainly don’t pretend to have all the answers, but haven’t we seen homophobia raise its ugly head in Uganda lately, and wasn’t that a clear cut example of a government using religious nutters to get rid of gays instead of respecting their human rights??

    Finally, it’s because the world took notice and reacted collectively that the anti-gay Bill is now sleeping indefinitely in Uganda, and that even the religious nutters have taken their distance from their poisoned egg. So we may have the “means to deal with homophobia …in foreign countries” after all.

  16. Doing this to grieving relatives is just inhuman. I want our government to take a stand against countries and organisations that tolerate or promote gay hate. No funding whatsoever and sanctions.

  17. Jay, calling all African ‘backward, ugly creatures’ as a result of these incidents is racist. I do not see any other word to describe that knee jerk reacion which was just waiting for an excuse to get the words out.. never mind the facts- yes the law criminalising it exists, but the story cites no evidence of its enforement by the state. (2) we are talking of 4 incidents against corpses in 4 years.

    There must have been at least 4 or close to that number of homophonic murders/attckes in the UK against living people. Would you call all Europeans ugly creatuires as a result? If not, why?

  18. “A reduction in international aid will not help this situation.”

    Of course it won’t.

    But at least we are financing the persecution of LGBT people.

    I don’t feel any moral responsibility towards any nation which wants to kill me.

    If these African countries are starving then that’s very sad of course.

    But I’m not donating a penny unless I can be guaranteed that my money is not being used to persecute minorities.

    Western governments should behave in the same way.

    I agree that Saudi Arabia should be treated in the same way but our influence there is far less as we need their oil, more than they need us.

    The grim reality is that Saudi Arabia does not need foreign aid. Africa does.

    Well if Africa is happy to accept Western money then they need to start behaving like civilised nations.

    these stories about Uganda; Senegal; Malawi; Kenya (and all the other homophobic African states) make those states look primitive, savage, barbaric, stupid and backward.

    That is not racist. It is a statement of fact.

  19. @ Niki:

    Yes, however tell me of one case where they exhumed the body and paraded it around. It has nothing to do with Western values or reading Sophocles at school. I regard this group (not the entire country) as humans only because of genetics.

    “A reduction in international aid will not help this situation.”

    Sure, there is direct aid that made most of Africa a basket case of dependent people and governments (and don’t me get started on the warlords).

    And then there’s the kind of aid where you support development and invest money into programs which help local populace help themselves. This should have always been a priority.

  20. You are all skirting the issue. The other side of the coin reads thus- ‘the murder of Gays in London make Europeans states ‘look primitive, savage, barbaric, stupid and backward’.
    See the difference?

  21. No niki we are not skirting the issue – you are being simplistic. You are trying to suggest that by criticising a countries laws for being homophobic, for inciting hatred against homosexuals is racist. it is not – i dont care if people in senegal are pink with yellow spots – what i care about are the laws the state hold against their people, their gay people.
    i didn’t call all africa backward, just senegal – but i will extend that to every country in africa where it makes homosexuality a crime, most of which believe i should be put to death because of my sexuality. i do not call them backward because of this story. i call them backward because their nation states criminalise any gay man or women to prison or death.
    And your comparison of london and europe to africa perfectly proves my point. in london and in the majority of europe nations i am free to walk the streets as a gay man without interference from the state, in senegal and the majority of african nations i am not. you’ve obviously never been to any of these places in africa. maybe you should before you start comparing them to london and europe – you will find them to be very different places.
    i am not racist. never have been. never will be. and it is not knee jerk to accuse the majority of african nations of being homophobic – it is a FACT, just look at the laws in these countries. i do not ‘tollerate’ anyone or any country that turns me into a criminal as senegal and the majority of africa does. and if i had been alive when it was illegal to be gay in the UK and europe i would be calling the UK and europe backwards. i dont care about black and white. you obviosuly think it more important to defend homophobic nation states, but i care more about being equal and free as a gay man.

  22. “Indeed. We only have the right to judge the 37 (yes 37!!!!) countries that criminalise homosexuality.”

    Most of which (in Africa at least) only criminalised it in the first place because Europe went there and did it for them. If you want to find the root of these issues, I’m afraid they come right back home. Most African countries have only been independent for a matter of decades and the influence that Europe had had is immense. If nothing else, the education that we fund through aid (much of it going directly to schools and not via the respective government) is likely to improve the situation – Other parts of the world point to a link between education and tolerance.

  23. @ RG:

    Christianity and Islam are to be blamed as well. They are the ones that perpetuate this savagery on a daily basis.

  24. Well done @Jay (21) and @Licius (23) – well said and I agree with you

  25. @Lucius – Of course, but Christianity is a European legacy.

  26. You see, your oprtest does no adress the issues which are as follows
    1. in your comment no.1, you did not talk about states, you talked about people-”,these backward, ugly creatures still live in primative societies’
    That is the genesis of my response. All you have tried to do is to justify your comment by reference to countries, which is different from your original post.
    2. You ignored the part of the story saying that Senegal is a tolerant society, meaning that the Gay colonial law, is not even applied.

    Therefore you can walk the steets freely in Senegal. You would not hold hands with your partner, but would you do so in most parts of England? Ever wondered why the desecrated corpses died normally, and were not killed? I will say, more Gay people are killed in the Uk than have ever been killed in Senegal. And for your information, I know what I am talking about, because I am African, amd have lived in Africa.

    When Pink News report state and mob killings of Gay people (living, breating humans), in Iran and Iraq, I do not hear words like ‘ugly creatures’ in response. Only thier relugion (Islam) is villified. But one word about Africa, (and no one dead), and its all about uglu \creaturews; (not even equated with humans). What more can I conclude? With all noise and laws (both actual and proposed), no one can cite the killing of Gays in Africa. So why is the response to discrimination in Africa always so hateful?
    I personally avoid reading posts about Africa on this site, for this reason.

  27. Apologies for the typos. As I was saying, when Squidgy referred to ‘savages’, it was clear that he was referring to the perpetrators of the dastardly act. But Jay’s comments covered every African person ‘creature’.

  28. the rise in homophobia in africa is probally because they don’t want a bunch of slappers mincing around in their chaps with their ass hanging out in the name of pride. and I don’t blame them

  29. I don’t regard it as racist to regard a country like Senegal or Uganda or Malawi or Kenya or Saudi Arabia as primitive, barbaric, savage, backward and stupid.

    How can it be racist if it’s the truth?

    In the UK while there are individuals and groups who are primitive, barbaric, savage, backward and stupid, the society as a whole is not. Homosexuals are not criminals by virtue of our sexuality in Britain.

    Ugandan and Senegalese and Malawian and Saudi society are primitive, barbaric, savage, backward and stupid because they criminalise gay people.

    The African countries whose government’s and police engage in the persecution of LGBT people do not need foreign aid. They clearly don’t need it if they have enough cash to waste money on persecuting minorities.

    Do not donate money to a country where homosexuality is illegal and put pressure on government’s to do the same.

  30. Actually Niki i never called any african a creature, that was someone else – get your FACTS right before you accuse me of something – then retract the comment that accuses me of calling Africans creatures. i dont refer to human beings as creatures – even though we ALL are one. and when pink news does cover stories about iran, iraq, saudi arabia, or any other society that has criminalised gay men and women i do criticise them, as i do poland (where they are in majority white), the vatican (where they are majority white) and as i would the UK if UK citizens brought a homophobic party into power that criminalised gay people.
    when african nations, like their middle eastern neighbours stop criminalising homosexuality i will no longer criticse them. but until then, africa, in the majority is a continent that continues to treat gay men and women as criminals – that recites either the bible or the koran to tell us how gay people should be punished by death or imprisonment. and senegal is one of those nations. and i don’t care if its from some colonial european legacy. to blame europe now for how africa treats its gay citizens suggests that africans have no mind of their own and only do what europe tells them to do. senegal as a nation is homophobic, why cant you accept that niki. I am not making it up, this isn’t an opinion. it’s in the senegal law. and i believe a law which makes gay people criminals is backward, ugly and primitive. when they change the law, when they make it legal to be gay in senegal, i will no longer be able to call them backward and primitive based on their views of sexual orientation.

    take a look at the link niki – its simplistic so you should be able to understand it. it clearly shows how homophobic african nations are in their law as compared to the rest of the world. so stop trying to make other gay men and women sympathetic to nations that treat us like dogs. the majority of african nations, around 40, out of 50, have laws that make homosexuality illegal – that is homophobic – FACT. it is not racist to criticise a nation as backward and primitive for its homophobia, i dont care if they are black, white, pink, yellow, green. It is homophobic however to defend a nation for its homophobia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

  31. Jean-Paul Bentham 13 Apr 2010, 2:38pm

    Very interesting. Still, The way that “Human Rights Watch” interprets these incidents as proof of a backlash against the human rights movement does make sense to me (www.hrw.org).

    Also, everyone of us now has the power (Internet) to focus on these injustices and to bright them to light as crimes against humanity. That may not sound like any effective way to deal with these criminals, but it is better than to ignore them.

    Personally, I do like the way that PinkNews brings these examples of outrageous and deadly homophobia to our attention, regardless of where they occur in the world.

    Moreover, I believe these incidents could be used to teach the younger generations how religious fundamentalism is a major obstacle to developing countries, especially when unscrupulous dictators use religious superstition of any kind to poor ignorant.

  32. Jean-Paul Bentham 13 Apr 2010, 3:17pm

    …use religious superstition of any kind to “keep” the poor ignorant.

  33. Jay, my apologies. It was Sam B, and it is his comments that I find racist, and have mistakenly credited to you. I do not in any try to wish away any homophobic countries. However, teh truth of the matter is that racist comments like the one I refer to, always crop up, (without reference to religion) when it comes to discourses about Africa. The comment I referred to, validates this fact.
    That is why I referred to another comment which confined itself to the perpetrators. I have no problem with calling Nations bad when they are bad.

  34. It is all very well to sit in the comfort of the West – a comfort partly possible because of the historic impact of colonialism – and then dismiss the very impacts of colonialism. Sam B’s hideous comments would not be out of place in Victorian England, where racist, fascist views about African people reigned and allowed brutal treatment and mass murder to take place.

    Anti-gay laws in many African countries are a direct result of the violent ‘disgust’ that the Victorian mass murderers who went and invaded various parts of the African continent felt at seeing much acceptance and openness amongst African peoples who often valued diverse sexualities and gender identities.

    For examples, in Kenya British colonialists produced Sections 162 to 165 of the Penal Code which criminalized homosexual behaviour and attempted homosexual behaviour between men, referring to it as “carnal knowledge against the order of nature”. The penalty is 5 to 14 years’ imprisonment (lesbian relations are not mentioned in the law in true Queen Victoria style).

    Colonialists also devastated Kenya: imprisoning almost all of the 1.5 million Kikuyu population in concentration camps and in villages behind barbed wire in response to the Mau Mau rebellion and its demand for Kenya’s independence. The racist colonial government also portrayed Kenyans as ‘inhumane savages’. Between 1952 and 1960 100,000 people, perhaps more, died from their imprisonment, due to exhaustion, disease, starvation and sheer physical brutality.

    As in the UK, social change takes time, and involves supporting African social movements for change, especially when the political elite, religious institutions and police force are all institutionally homophobic. But it is unhelpful to all Africans, including LGBT Africans in all their diversity, to simply blame them and deny the past. In reality, the UK is still battling to combat the impact of its Victorian past despite welcome legislative changes in the past decade: there remains an endemic of homophobic bullying in our schools, workplace harassment and physical attacks on and murders of LGBT people.

  35. No James, I believe it is helpful to blame the African nations for their current homophobia, they need to take responsiblity for what they do, and not defer responsibilty and blame to a group of dead English upper class Victorians – that sounds like Mugabe – he does that a lot, blames the English for what he is doing right now, it justifies his actions.
    We can all go back to origins, a point in time in the past and blame something else because that’s where it started. Why not blame Constantine who converted the Roman empire to christianity which perhaps eventually led to England becoming Christian which perhaps eventually led to Victorian christian law, or go even further back to Moses for starting the Abrahamic faiths in the first place……or Akenhaten who he probably stole the idea from.
    People need to take responsibility for their actions in the present. Some African nations at the moment execute gay men and women and the majority of others treat their gay citizens like dogs. Not Victorians – they’re all dead.
    What the Victorians did is vile, no one is disputing that, but this is about how Senegal treats gay people right now. And they think gay men and women are criminals. I think it is helpful to blame people, senegal in this instance, for what they do to gay men and women. It makes them take responsibility. Do they think we are criminals or not?
    We in the UK sit in the comfort of our emerging gay equality because gay men and women from the UK have fought for it since Victorian times. Because they blamed the government that governed them at that moment for how they were being treated. Not because they blamed some ruler or another country from over a hundred years ago. It’s not about denying the past, it’s about living in the present.

  36. James great post I agree with everything. I hope you stick around and share your opinion on other topics.

  37. Niki: you say: “teh truth of the matter is that racist comments like the one I refer to, always crop up, (without reference to religion) when it comes to discourses about Africa.”

    Are you trying to claim that 37 African countries attitudes towards homosexuality are NOT primitive, savage, barbaric, moronic, backward, ignorant and stupid?

    Those 37 countries which criminalise homosexuality should not be in receipt of international aid.

    End of story.

    They should quit their whining about the evil colonisers. After all their treatmnet of their gay populations is just as wicked and evil.

    African homophobia is Africa’s problem. It is unacceptable to blame the colonisers for their homophobia. After all Ireland, India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc managed to discard colonial, homophobic laws.

    African nations keep these laws (and in the case of Uganda wish to make the laws even stricter) because they agree with them.

    These countries do not need international aid if they have the time and resources to persecute LGBT people.

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