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  1. dave wainwright 10 Apr 2010, 4:04pm

    He can kiss my gay trannie ass all he wants , I shall never forgive his party for the damage done to gay communities in the 1980’s and their attempt to extinguish our place in society .

  2. If Callmedave is to have any chance of votes from the Gay community he has to show actions not cheap words. He has yet to make any comment about, never mind sack, the vile Chris Grayling or the latest homophobe in his party Andrew Brigen of course Knowles is gone but it was his localtory association that sacked him. Lets see some action Dave, not just salesmans PR drivel.

  3. Far too late for a second chance! Yes publically they are saying one thing then behind closed doors doing another! This has been shown so no point denying!!! Sorry David you don’t ever deserve our votes and is far to late for apologies or more empty promises!!

  4. I’ve dated Tories in the past. Those people gave the Tories chance after chance to change. They stuck with them even through the WORST times. The Tories never changed. They’ve had their chance. It’s over. His hesitant and unrepentant answers in your article are proof there’s not been a change of heart, just a change of publicity!

    I’ll be voting Lib Dem, and not just because of their excellent GLBT rights stance.

  5. If Mr Cameron is serious then his party will meet with me and take evidence of the horrific evangelical Christian ‘therapy/cure’ Phillipa Stroud (Tory candidate for Sutton and Cheam) subjected me to because I was trans. Maybe they would like to see the three inch scar on my wrist caused by the self hate her and her Christian friends in Newfrontiers instilled in me during this so called ‘therapy/cure’. I am sure they would then be without a doubt she has no place as a candidate for parliament.

    If he as serous then he would protect people like me from the likes of Phillipa Stroud

  6. BrazilBoysBlog 10 Apr 2010, 4:31pm

    Sorry, I´m with the above commenters. I just do not believe him. We are not worthy to his core supporters… simple.

    I am also becoming a little alarmed at the coverage being given to the Tories by Pink News. Others have said this already and I did not agree… I am beginning to wonder now..

  7. Why should I trust you Dave when you employ my abuser!

    What about the justice for the lesbians Mrs Stroud turned away from her Bedford nightshelter forcing them to sleep on the streets.

  8. Most people never gave the man a first chance, let alone a second one. He was considered beyond reproach by their blinkered, persecutionist, lefty dogma before he ever wrote a word.

  9. Chance? Chance? Party leaders are always puppets of their core supporters. Have a good look at the Tory core supporters and you will know what is comming your way.

  10. Patrick James 10 Apr 2010, 5:24pm

    Patrick writes:

    If Callmedave is to have any chance of votes from the Gay community he has to show actions not cheap words.

    Yes of course this is true.

    The actual “words of Dave” are no doubt just written by one of his researchers.

    Dave is very big on words but his actions are the complete reverse of what he says.

    We can be certain now that Chris Grayling will remain the Shadow Home Secretary for the election campaign.

    This is because Dave knows that the Conservatives have many more homophobic voters than those that would be interested in LGBT.

    Homophobic Conservative voters get the Shadow Home Secretary.

    LGBT rights Voters get words.

  11. YOU GUYS are ridiculous!

    TO ARGUE that the Tories haven’t changed when it comes to the issue of gay civil rights is ridiculous. Yes, of course thy are not as supportive of equal rtights as, for example, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, both of which support marriage equality.

    HOWEVER, the Conservative party has made a significant shift with regards to their attitudes on this issue. We may not consider it to be ‘enough’, but that is another matter.

    WHAT IS MORE, although the Labour Party has a far better record when it comes to gay civil rights, they also have significant flaws. Their refusal or unwillingness to legalise gay marriage, for instance, is pathetic, especially since the majority of the people in this country (around 60 per cent) support gay marriage. More importantly, the Labour Party has a too cosy relationship with a certain sections of the ‘Muslim community’ who are infamous for, among other things, their deluded homophobic and mysoginstic views.

    IN CONCLUSION: The Tories have a poor past track; however, they have made significant progress. Labour is better on the issue of LGBT rights, but they are far from perfect.

  12. The mysterious “Staff Writer” at PinkNews can state over and over again as many time as he or she likes that Cameraon has “restored the damage done to his party’s perception among the gay community within recent months” BUT he has failed to answer most of the tough questions that were put to him and all he’s ACTUALLY given gays is £150 a year provided you are in CP and poverty-stricken and a clean slate if you’re old and you’ve got a gay sex offence. The rest is just hot air!

    Sorry, Mr “Staff Writer” you’re promotion of Cameron is transparent and deluded.

  13. Bill Perdue 10 Apr 2010, 5:51pm

    And Thatcher too. And Bush and Clinton. And Mugabe. And don’t forget his eminence the grand ayatollah Ali Sistani. Or Der Papenfueher Ratzinger.

    They all want a second chance to dump on us.

  14. Jonathan Swift 10 Apr 2010, 5:55pm

    As for the consensual sex stuff….

    it’s just reversing some of the damage that the Tories did in the first place. The introduction of Section 28 was followed by other measures – harassment of the Gay community and a massive drive by the police to prosecute innocent consensual sex. They are trying to put right the damage they actually inflicted.

    However, the answers, if you can believe them, go some way to alleviate fears that he’d start dismantaling all our existing rights.


    He must state that clearly.

    So if he’s listening, and I’m sure LGBTory is, add that to the list.

    And Chris Grayling must be moved BEFORE polling day – WELL BEFORE polling day. Get Michael Gove in for Home Office –

    “He shared a flat with Conservative Ivan Massow who later defected to Labour over Section 28”

  15. Lucio Buffone 10 Apr 2010, 5:55pm

    Pink News may as well just endorse the Tories, all the articles are subtly pro Cameron, or have a slight right bias.

  16. cameron isn’t the problem. its all the old tories that are pulling his strings that are the problem. they need to get rid of the old tories, like blair and mandelson got rid of the old socialists in the labour party.
    let us not forget what they did to us in the 70’s and 80’s. they destroyed my childhood and my teens with their policies. and i will never forgive them for that.

  17. Remember, people, we are approximately 10% of the population. That’s the only reason why someone in the Tory Party has taken the effort to write back to PinkNews.

    And remember also to balance Call-Me-Dave’s promises of £3 a week (if you’re in a CP and on a low wage) and his promise of a clean slate if you’ve got a gay-sex criminal record with his ACTUAL DEMONSTRATED behaviour . . . which has been ALL OVER THE PLACE!

    It ain’t what a man promises, but what a man has DONE, which should form your judgement.

    Here’s what Call-Me-Dave and his lot have done:

    In 1999 William Hague sacked Conservative frontbencher Shaun Woodward for refusing to back the party’s stance that Section 28 should not be repealed. (Remember that the Tory’s Section 28 of 1989 effectively gagged any employee of a school from giving any impression to students that homosexuality was OK.)

    In 2000 while David Cameron was campaigning for the seat of Witney he wrote a letter in The Telegraph attacking Shaun Woodward for his pro-gay stance. He also attacked Tony Blair too for his being pro-gay rights. These are Call-Me-Dave’s actual words from that time: “The Blair government continues to be obsessed with their fringe agenda, including deeply unpopular moves like repealing Section 28 and allowing the promotion of homosexuality in schools. . . Blair has moved heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in schools”. Do you really believe that the leopard has completely changed his spots simply because he now needs our votes and is saying, “Trust me!”?

    In 2003 David Cameron MP fought against and voted against the Labour Government’s repeal of Section 28 in the House of Commons.

    By 2005 Say-Anything-Dave has done a complete turnabout and he tells the BBC he’s delighted Section 28 has been abolished! He told a BBC journalist: “At the end of the day, one section of our community did feel discriminated against by Section 28, and so I’m glad on that basis that it’s gone”

    In 2008 Cameron voted against a law making it easier for lesbian couples to have IVF treatment. He says that this issue goes to the heart of his message that Britain’s society is broken. Are we now to believe, just two years later in 2010, that Cameron no longer believes that “Britain’s society is broken” and that we LGBTs are not to blame for it?

    In 2009 Call-Me-Dave decides to appear at a gay pride event and say sorry to us for the ban on anything that might be construed as a positive view of homosexuality in schools. He said “Yes, we may have sometimes been slow and, yes, we may have made mistakes, including Section 28, but the change has happened”. It was an apology but there was little real remorse in it. Was it not just a clever preparation for wooing us for our votes in the following year?

    Having delivered this “I’m weally weally sorry” just two months later in 2009 Tory MEPs refused to go along with a cross-party European Parliament vote to condemn a homophobic law that had been passed in Lithuania!

    Then earlier this year, in 2010, in his interview with Attitude, Call-Me-Dave criticised the Church of England over its attitudes to homosexuality and called upon the Church to accept equal rights for gays.

    But a little later, in April 2010, Call-Me-Dave’s Shadow Home Secretary Christopher Grayling is revealed by The Observer newspaper as having said that he feels sympathy for those businesses who wish to turn gay, lesbian, or transgender people away – despite it being against the law to do so. Cameron fails to discipline his colleague and a few days later yet another Tory candidate, Andrew Bridgen, says much the same thing as Christopher Grayling. Cameron similarly fails to discipline Bridgen. Both Grayling and Bridgen continue as Tory candidates in the election despite having shown support for the “right” of businesses to turn gays, lesbians, and trans people away.

    So, imagine that we help the Tories get back into power. And imagine the day you hear on the news that they have repealed certain pieces of Equality legislation so that from then on ANY businessman or business-woman may legally slam the door in YOUR face all because they PERCEIVE you as being lesbian, gay, or trans.

    Is that what you want?

  18. dave wainwright 10 Apr 2010, 6:31pm

    have to agree Pink News does seem to plugging “Dave ” and his new fluffy gay friendly buy the “commitment ” brigade , it isn’t even subtle how they are endorsing the Tory party , the people who decimated our community structures with clause 28, no way , no how , what they did to us in the 80’s will never be forgotten particularly when we were also fighting on two fronts with the arrival of HIV / aids at that same time .

  19. well said eddy

  20. This is ridiculous

    I was ignoring the repeated comments suggesting Pink News has a pro-Tory bias, but this is too much to ignore.

    This article criticises Labour’s anti-gay gaffe – but their vote record is aeons ahead of the Tories. NOTHING Labour has done against us compares remotely to the Tories. NO Labour vote has been as overwhelmingly homophobic as the Tories.

    The Tories have done nothing. They are STILL supporting homophobia to this very year – pandering to religious groups, allying with homophobes in Europe, silent on Lithuania’s section 28 in the EU, working exemptions into the discrimination and hate crimes law – the Shadow Home Secretary has OPENLY espoused anti-gay discrimination and Pink News harps on about Labour who have avoided gay rights votes – what about the Tories who vote AGAINST them?

    Are you fo the gay community, Pink News, or are you for the Tories?

  21. Pink News has got to stop misrepresenting what Cameron has actually said. He has NOT said he’ll quash the convictions of gay men for consensual sex dating back to the last time his party was in office. He dodged (did not answer) the question of making pardons automatic.

    All he’s said is that where the offence would now be lawful, he’ll treat the conviction as ‘spent’ ie time-expired. That’s not a pardon, that’s not quashing the conviction, in fact I wonder if those old convictions would be time-expired anyway in many cases. In other words, he makes nothing sound like something – while giving nothing.

  22. Is it time to give David Cameron a second chance?


    And PinkNews – stop acting as the Tories mouthpiece. We’re no more taken in by your ‘ will not back any political party at the coming general election’ than we are by Dave’s office’s little piece.

  23. Cameron, I love faith schools, they are great though really really great and they should teach according to their faith’s beiefs too. So carry on with the faith based homophobia. Change? The Conservative? Don’t make me laugh! Homophobia runs like tapwater through the Conservative Party always has, always will. Cameron will promise anything, to anyone to get into Number 10 Downing Street. If he is elected he will forget us like a bad dream.

  24. short of sacking a most of his shadow cabinet, and sacking himself what can he do? nothing can erase this:

  25. Regardless of one’s political affiliations, its fairly clear where Pinknews wants us to vote…. they’re practically ramming Tory propaganda down our throat’s. Don’t you just love unbiased journalism?

  26. The Daily Mail is the usual conservative bastion. Here is what they were saying up until about 10 days ago about us. It makes Pink News look almost left wing:

  27. Second chance to Tories? No way. Labour came to power on a very very strong and promising gay rights platform. We voted for them, and they delivered accordingly, not because we believed them, but because we knew their core supporters were gay friendly. If Mr Chameleon wants to show evidence of his commitment, he needs to start now. Sack both Chris Grailing and the other one who clearly can’t think let alone act straight.

  28. Will: Up until recently, I would have said that Pink News was blatantly the other way, and very pro-Lab. Do you think maybe they have seen the writing on the wall and switched horses?

    I can’t say I see a major pro-con thing going on here, but the Tories definately seem to be getting all the publicity. I think it’s more a factor of them getting Dave to do a column for them, and a bit of chest-puffing than any political posturing.

    I suspect if they get Cash Gordon to do a piece they will do an immediate 180 to accommodate.

  29. Never Kissed a Tory 10 Apr 2010, 11:09pm

    Glad to see no-one here is folled by this nonsense. Everything about the Conservative Party is irreconcilable with gay rights and always will be. Cameron’s hoodie-hugging, husky-loving, gay-chasing is just election gimmicks to show they have changed. They haven’t.

  30. Where is Labour on the subject of gay marriage? This is what Jack Straw wrote only a couple of weeks ago:

    The Government have no plans to legislate for same-sex
    marriage. It is important to recognise that marriage has
    particular historical traditions attached to it. ….. We feel that civil partnership provides an appropriate,
    secular approach to giving recognition to same-sex couples.

  31. dave: Sounds like a typical Labour homophobic remark if you ask me. Call-me-Jack is not to be trusted.

  32. Martin Popplewell 11 Apr 2010, 12:03am

    Letter to Pinknews from Martin Popplewell who interviewed David Cameron for GT magazine.

    Hi Ben hope you are well. I’ve just been reading the comment piece on pinknews and was concerned about the reporting of the GT interview.

    We advised DC’s press team 10 days before the interview that we would like to film it. As soon as he sat down to do the interview the 3 cameras present would have made it clear that we were filming. Before we started there was no request to just do a press interview. It was only when he started floundering on a number of issues – not just the Lithuania vote – that he then tried to wriggle out of the situation with the “thoughtful print interview” line. This has been the line from Conservative HQ after the interview and has been appearing on a number of Conservative blogs but I think the reality is they’ve been trying to find a way to explain away an interview which went badly.

    On the Lithuanian vote. It’s wrong to focus on the fact that David Cameron didn’t know about the vote. The fact was that not one of his MEPs voted the right way to condemn a piece of legislation that Amnesty International had raised concerns about. MEPs from both the Labour and Liberal Democrats had voted against the legislation.

    After the interview we were told that Conservative MEPs wouldn’t vote on a nation state’s domestic issues – hence the Conservative decision to abstain. This is simply not true. A month after the Lithuanian vote the Conservative group themselves tabled a motion regarding Italy and press freedom. This was confirmed by Cathy Newman at Channel 4 News. So the Conservatives do vote on other nation state’s domestic issues but only when they choose to do so. On this occasion they choose not to despite the concerns of Amnesty International. This says something about the priority that the Conservatives put on gay issues when they think they’re not being watched. It’s something I’m sure your readers would care about.

    At the moment it appears that the interview we did – which raised legitimate questions about the Conservatives commitment to LGBT issues – is being dismissed with lines spun by the Conservative Press Office. I’m sure you wouldn’t want that to be the case.

    Is there any chance we could have the above comments reflected on your website. It would also be appreciated if your team could take on board the above when covering the GT interview in the future.

    Kind regards


  33. The Lib Dem position on gay marriage:

    The most effective way of dealing with what I recognise is a legitimate wish of people to have a religious aspect to their civil partnership would be to provide for same-sex marriage and amend the Marriage Acts. My party has been very clear: we think society has moved on sufficiently for the Government and the House to take a lead on that.

  34. dave wainwright 11 Apr 2010, 12:25am

    Dave Macaroon is ok , quite convincing , almost , but she’s no Rudolph Nureyev, won’t be voting for her love.

  35. Euan - London 11 Apr 2010, 12:34am

    I am delighted at this exchange today.

    Not only do we need to generate insight for the editorial team of Pink News, which btw discredits itself enormously by todays attempt to hide a back peddle, but looks like we also need to correct the infantile justifications of Tory LGBT black hole posturing manifest as reportage on this site.

    Pinknews states that it doesnt back any party. Well, listen here bitch, to anyone who has half decently come out of the closet, it’s obvious who Pinknews supports. And not only that is prepared to destroy itself in the process. After the election, let’s BOYCOTT pink news and it’s advertisers.

  36. Second chance? To do what?

  37. Little Buzz formerly Patrick 11 Apr 2010, 1:29am

    I find it very strange that most of those accusing Pink News of being Partial towards the tories are the same people advocating we vote for those same tories. i have read the articles and dont find them to be partial at all. Is the problem a reading one and are there are too many “big words” they simply dont understand what Pink news is saying.
    perhaps shorter articles or sound bites would suit with a few expletives thrown in for good measure. Twenty years ago we were decrying the dumbing down of education and i think we are now seeing the results. A lumpen society with a poor grasp of its own language. Im betting that the only reading most of them ever do is what they read on this site. The Sun has a lot to answer for………….. I repair computers and often have to point to words on the screen after some people spend several minutes looking for words like apply, file and edit. I dread to think what things will be like in a hundred years time.

  38. I wonder how many people posting on here are actually fully signed up Labour activists engaged in a organised smear campaign? The anti-Conservative criticism is relentless. Some of it seems rather hysterical and not genuine. As usual, a tiny vocal pink minority that doesn’t represent the wider LGBT population.

    Faced with losing LGBT voters after so many years (and possibly for good) they’re absolutely desperate and it shows.

  39. Eddy wrote: “Remember, people, we are approximately 10% of the population. That’s the only reason why someone in the Tory Party has taken the effort to write back to PinkNews.”

    Don’t kid yourself. The vast majority of that 10% (some figures put it at 6.5%) don’t live a LGBT lifestyle. Most LGBT adults are aged over 40. Even among the people who read this gay news site the top issue was the economy, not an LGBT issue.

    Cameron will lose votes by supporting LGBT issues. Maybe more than he gains. There are left-wing gays who will never vote Conservative and some who always have. The number who will actually vote on the basis of LGBT issues as a priority and who will swing one way or the other must be pretty small.

    Don’t make the mistake of imagining that every LGBT person is a 20 year-old, Pride and gay village going, pink pound spending, rainbow flag waver. These people are actually a small minority within the LGBT population, even though the media pretends otherwise.

  40. Little Buzz formerly Patrick 11 Apr 2010, 1:52am

    i would think that most of the anti tory posters have twigged that the homophobic tories havent changed one iota since mad maggies day. Probably some of them lived through the vile clause 28 days when we were reviled and cast as second class citizens, as we will be again if this Law and Justice homophobic mob make it to downing st. Three of them, not counting callmedaves debacle on the GT interview, have made it pretty clear where they stand as far as the queers go. How many of them are better at keeping stum about their homophobia until they get elected one wonders.
    If callmedave is really serious about protecting our rights, why hasn’t he sacked the vile and odious Grayling who would make a better barrow boy than Home Sec. He hasn’t even made a comment on the matter, hoping that we haven’t noticed.
    Well we have dave, and our voices of opposition will get evermore shrill as polling day approaches. Its in our best interest ,dont you know.

  41. Actually GS I’m a fully paid up Lib Dem, and not running a smear campaign. I just believe in true equality. Not the PC rubbish Labour peddle out, nor the Tory conservative “Don’t want to upset the woo-meisters” approach.

    I think it’s time we got to be, heaven forbid, equal citizens! I know, this may shock you. I don’t want a gay ghetto or extra rights. But I’d love to be able to look my family and friends in the eye and same “We’re equal”. The Tories will NEVER allow individual rights like that. And that’s why I’d never vote for them.

    The Tories are beholden to vested interests in both the wealthy and the religious. Break free or accept your second class, good for nothing status. Because that’s what we are right now… and it won’t change unless we all vote for it.

  42. I’m a LibDem too and I want equality. But more than anything I want Labour out of office as I don’t think the country can stand another five years of them and I’m worried about civil liberties for everyone in Britain as this has been one of the most disasterous repressive governments we’ve had in modern times.

  43. Re: comments 30 and 33 by dave on gay marriage… thanks for getting that info on the Labour and LibDem positions on same-sex marriage. I found a link for the official Labour position in response to a petition by residents of Bristol.

    It will be interesting to see all the party manifestos. Hopefully the LibDems will follow through on the statement given by Dr Evan Harris in the House of Commons on 6th April

  44. re comment 32 by Martin Popplewell …. thanks for taking the trouble to clarify exactly what happened at that very revealing interview.

    The story we are commenting on is said to be by a staff writer, and comment 12 refers to The mysterious “Staff Writer” at PinkNews. This is presumably because other ‘comment’ pieces – all of them that I’ve seen of benefit to the Conservatives – have also been written under the Staff Writer byline. Is this done to imply that they don’t represent the views of PinkNews but simply those of an individual employee of PinkNews?

    Are they perhaps the views of the proprietor?

    In either case it would aid transparency if the writer is named. Most modern newspapers and magazines attribute their articles to individual editors, or where appropriate to named wire services.

  45. There’s nothing ‘mysterious’ at all. Lots of publications have a staff writer. I used to be one on a national magazine. Sometimes I wrote around 30 pages each month. Some articles were credited under my name and some weren’t. Otherwise it would look as if one person had written a disproportionate amount. Which they had in fact because they were the staff writer!

    So what if Pink News has decided to support the Conservatives? Most newspapers lean one way of the other. Did you complain when The Times and The Sun supported Labour in the past? Or about all the gay publications that have been pro-Labour in the past? I’d guess not. Well times change.

  46. GS – re your response: do you therefore know the person or persons involved in PinkNews articles written under the ‘Staff Writer’ byline?

    The question at issue here is slightly different from a magazine, say, about photography. In the context of a general election campaign there is some pretense in this ‘Comment’ article of a neutral point of view…as an experienced writer you can examine the article yourself to see how it’s been crafted. And it may be easy for a person’s political bias to subtly influence how they write in such circumstances.

    That’s why it’s important in these particular circumstances, and with such a ‘comment’ article, for writers to identify themselves. It helps the reader identify underlying – maybe subconscious – bias.

    Do you see any problem with that?

  47. Paul murray 11 Apr 2010, 8:25am

    I found the comment piece to be very very pro tory. I think you are mislead if you think David cameron is doing anything other than trying to get your vote. The Tory party and the religious right will not allow him to give us better rights. He will not deliver on gay rights in fact I believe they wil be reversed.

    By the way is the comment the official view of pink news or just your “staff writer”

  48. “Is it time to give David Cameron a second chance?”


    It is time for the anything-but-Cameron coalition to get its arse in gear and look to tactical voting.

    As a Green voter, living in a Conservative / Lib Dem marginal, I will be voting Liberal Democrat, rather than voting with my heart and indirectly supporting a Conservative candidate under this country’s arcane electoral system.

  49. For the doubters, dazzled by Window-Dressing-Dave, just consider the fact that David Cameron was a director of corporate affairs at a massive media company for seven years, before resigning in February 2001 and announcing his intention to “find a seat” in parliament.

    Martin Popplewell thank you very much indeed for your contribution above! And a million thanks to you for that Gay Times video which revealed Cameron for who he really is with regard to LGBT issues. I believe your calm, relaxed, but assertive style, plus your gorgeous looks, all added to Cameron being thrown. When a straight man is asked questions eyeball-to-eyeball by a confident, rational, and good-looking gay man the truth always outs. He was having trouble dealing with MORE than just your questions, Martin.

    IF Cameron gets elected, we can be sure that the true values of the Tory party will come out from behind the curtains. Frontman-Dave will be told from then on what he is to do or he’ll be demoted. William Hague, Iain Duncan-Smith, Christopher Grayling, and the rest of the pro-establishment church-going blue-bloods will take control.

  50. GS: “Most LGBT adults are aged over 40”
    What utter bilge! Where do you get this crap from? You claim LGBT people make up 10% of the population, yet they are mostly over 40? What do they do, suddenly pop out of the ether from nowhere? I realise there are many LGBT people, (and children), that may not acknowledge their own sexuality, but they are still there.
    If you are going to spout statistics, be certain to get your facts right first.

  51. Too little, too late. Yes, I can see that the party is changing, but it still has a long way to go to even catch up with the other parties and it would need to overtake them in order to get my vote.

  52. Fascinating insight from Martin Popplewell

    PinkNews, don’t you think Martin’s comments deserve more coverage than to be buried in an old comments section? Don’t you think it’s worth a story in itself?

  53. Philip, I think it is possible that Martin Popplewell sent his letter to Benjamin Cohen (who owns PinkNews) but may have been disappointed that the letter was not published and thus Martin may have decided to post it himself in a Comments section. I may be wrong, but good for Martin for making sure we see it. I only hope it doesn’t suddenly get deleted!

  54. Rob-N how it is ‘bilge’ to say most LGBT adults are over 40? It’s blindingly obvious if you give the matter ten seconds thought.

    What would you say is the average life expectancy in the UK? Would you agree about 75 years?

    The period from age 18 to 40 is just 22 years. In comparison the period from 40 to 75 is 35 years! It is obvious that there are far more people in the 40-75 age range.

    But I’m not surprised that you just dismiss this without any thought at all. It’s like the young gay men who say things like ‘everyone goes to Pride’. They don’t. It’s this insidious 18-30 pink pound marketing that we are all subjected to.

    At the LGBT Labour discussion last summer, Sue Sanders of LGBT History Month commented on how older lesbians are ‘invisible’.

  55. @ Daniel – I don’t have any inside information about Pink News and the Staff Writer.

    I just wonder why, for decades, it has been accepted without question that the gay media was totally biased to the left and Labour. But now that some people perceive a possible bias to the Conservatives they are up in arms and suggest that publications should be politically neutral.

    The Pink Paper was never neutral. Most newspapers aren’t and it makes no difference who wrote the article. It almost sounds as if there is going to be some kind of witchhunt if a name is revealed.

    That would be very 1980’s. I’ve mentioned before what it was like back then for anyone who was LGBT but not a Labour supporter. They were intimidated into not showing support in public but that didn’t stop them voting how they wanted on polling day. Now we can see the same frenzy going on in the comments on this website.

    I’ve become very disenchanted with the left in the last few years. Many are intolerant and in their zeal for shutting down discussion and silencing people they are little better than fascists. One woman student who I saw on Facebook announced that people couldn’t be ‘allowed’ to vote BNP. Very scary… My great great great grandfather was a coal miner and Chartist who fought for the right to vote.

  56. always thought PinkNews was a LGBT site not part of the Tory party propaganda machine!

    But it seems I was very wrong :(

  57. GS: I really can’t grasp your logic. LGBT people are just like any other people. They are born, they live, they die. You don’t suddenly become gay at 18. It is a commonly mentioned fact that gay people are born gay, so your argument really doesn’t hold water.

  58. RobN I don’t know why you are bringing under 18s into this. I very clearly said that a majority of gay ADULTS are aged over 40. It’s obvious they are. You then said it was ‘bilge’ and you quoted what I had said about a majority of adults.

    Under 18s aren’t adults. They don’t vote. Whether people are born gay or not (and I agree they are) makes no difference to the fact that most gay adults are aged over 40.

    Quite apart from which, we have an ageing population. So even if you do include people from 0-18 then it’s likely that half or almost half of the entire UK LGBT population is aged over 40. Age 0-40 is a period of 40 years and 40-75 is a period of 35 years.

    Also I may have underestimated life expectancy. For men it is indeed 75 but for women it is now 80.

  59. re comment #55: thanks for the reply… your point about left/right I’m not sure about. But do you have a problem, where divisive and controversial issues are involved, with signed articles being the norm and to be expected? That was really my point, and the question I asked.

  60. Of the 15 stories appearing on the front page of Pink News, 12 are about the Tory Party.

    Yet Pink News claims not to be biased.

    How stupid do the editors and reporters regard us?

  61. On the subject of numbered comments where does the comment number appear? I can’t see any numbers alongside the comments. I’m using Opera browser.

  62. GS, the number of each comment appears in the middle of the line directly above the comment that has been written. (And due to poor design the signature of the writer appears after a gap of about three blank lines after the comment!)

  63. SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU PINK NEWS I too read the GT interviw what has Ca-MORON got to hide – what was the matter his make up not right !!! Get real the tories will never support LGBT rights – lets have a hung parliament or better still get Labour back in Civil Partnerships – age of consent would never have got thru with the tories – lets all live in the real world – the only difference between Maggie and Ca-Moron is the Handbag

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