Who are these people to say who God hates and who God loves? We are all Gods children and he loves us all.Jesus saved all of us and he can resave anyone. If you don’t like the fact that someone is a homosexual then pray for them, don’t lash out at them because that makes you no better (does God love you anymore if you’re a bully?).
What if someone who is a homosexual wants help? Are you going to turn them away? It’s preached that God is love, so where is the love that we are suppose to be showing? It’s not our place to judge and if you are worried about the gay community then pray for God to do what He knows is right and for Him to do what He knows is best. It’s Gods place to decide the fate of people. Imagine if the roles were reversed and put yourself in their shoes. Would you want to be treated this way? (I don’t think so, no one wants to be treated that way.)
THINK! And leave the rest to God.
God isn’t real, so it doesn’t matter. These people just need to stop using God as a means for attention.
Pesonally I don’t need god’s seal of approval, that of the KKK or that of the Westboro baptists.
It’s neither required or requested. I am gay, and the entire lot of them can either like it or lump it.
Admittedly there is a little gallows humour to be had when rabid bigots attempt to distance themselves from other rabid bigots: whod’ve thunk the KKK were that image concious?
I was even surprised to learn that before he was an ardent gay-basher, Fred Phelps used to be a black civil rights campaigner. But that doesn’t alter the fact he’s a foaming-at-the-mouth homophobe with a proud track record of ruining total stranger’s funerals for the tenuous reason that they’re not as overtly homophobic as he’d like them to be.
I don’t intend to join the KKK or Westboro Baptists ever, so as far as I’m concerned the whole lot of them can shove their image conciousness and risible attempts at distancing themselves from each other where the sun don’t shine.
god doesn’t exist shawna. its just a concept that humans have made up to control others by giving them a fairy story that makes them feel better when they are very depressed.
Believe it because it`s true: Rev Phelps used to be civil rights lawyer who actively fought for the equality of black people in civil(as opposed to religious) law. Now that may have something to do with the KKK`s attitude towards the WBC I guess for them it`s personal.
The KKK and “Westboro Baptist Church”: two hateful and terroristic groups. A shame for the humanity.
No offence, but the biggest threat to gay people are the mainstream understanding of the four Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Bahaism). Opinion polls clearly show that atheists, agnostics and secularists are significantly more likely to support LGBT civil rights. With few exceptions, gay and lesbian brothers and sisters suffer the most in religiously based countries (eg much of the ‘Muslim world’, Christian crackpot areas such as Uganda and etc).
Ps the Abrahamic religions, as they are interpreted by most of their adherents, are also a threat to free speech and womens right.
Actually Westboro BC is miles better than the KKK. They have not killed anyone, yet…
Which is the better of 2 evils?
We have had that staement on our web site sine May of 2007. We agree with Pastor Phelps in a number of areas on seberal issue but, we believe protesting the funeral of a U.S. soldier is over the top and unacceptable.
National Membership Dir.
The Ku Klux Klan, LLC.
Why, as part of the fight on terror, are these groups not hauled before the courts? They abuse freedom of speech and actively encourage acts of violence towards their own fellow Americans. As far as I can tell, they are as much “enemies of the state” as any foreign extremist groups.
The Westboro Baptist Church would be really funny if it was not so sad. If Jesus himself suddenly came back and started showing love and tolerance for the gays I don’t doubt the WBC would start hating him and making protests with signs written “God Hates Jesus”, just like The Grand Inquisitor from Fyodor Dostoevsky’s novel “The Brothers Karamazov” wanted to burn Jesus to death because the Church didn’t need him anymore. I think Fred Phelps is a mixture of Reverend Harry Powell from the novel and film “The Night of the Hunter” and Reverend William Stryker from the Marvel Comics, only much worse for the simple fact that he is real.
“We have had that staement on our web site sine May of 2007. We agree with Pastor Phelps in a number of areas on seberal issue but, we believe protesting the funeral of a U.S. soldier is over the top and unacceptable.”
Yeah, while the murder of black people, dressing up in pillow cases and burning crosses is TOTALLY acceptable, isn’t it?
The bigger the racist, the bigger the f*****g idiot we get.
probally because the kkk is full of scum like robn and squidgy. mysogonist masqurading as gay men.
I second that dean
The KKK and BNP give power and a platform for hate to anyone who’s white and asks
Allowing groups like this to exist in a Democracy only undermines the Democracy and shows that clearly someone in government wants to keep them
For example, in the case of the BNP, they don’t outlaw them because all the parties compare their party to the BNP to score more votes and look like a decent group
Well the KKK aren’t all bad. I mean, rope sales are up. ;)
Has it occurred to anyone that the article borders on the absurd?
It has the underpinnings of something from the Onion.
No one is actually taking either group seriously as both groups are completely irrelevant because of the comically extreme nature of their respective beliefs.
I mean…doesn’t anyone think this article is funny?
I had heard how bitter and hateful Gays were, I guess this proves it, their call for tolerance means tolerance for their position and no other… By the way IF we were attacking blacks all the time, it would be front page news in every newspaper, I suppose it’s above your notice we are an LLC, (Limitied Liability Corporation) recognized by both State and Federal governments, if we were involved in criminal enterprise they could close our office in minutes, they know our corporate bank accounts, and transactions, (we pay all taxes on profits). We have had a web presence since 2003 (we own the domain) and list a real business telephone number too. We do not mind being hated for our honest opinions but the propaganda is so thick it takes a college professor to believe it.
Let’s fight “Fire with Fire.” Let’s have our own banners saying: “GOD HATES HETEROSEXUALS” No time for any limp wrist behaviour when it comes to human garbage like this. Let them burn at their own stakes.
Travis – so let me get this straight… you’re saying that the KKK AREN’T racist? So why exactly do they still publish images of their ‘racist past’ on their own website as if they’re something to be proud of? Your link dude.
And why do their members feel compelled to support an organisation which if you removed the racist parts of the manifesto would simply look like the religious right wing of the Republican party?
Yes, gay people discriminate… mostly against other people who discriminate.
If anyone still doesn’t get why it’s so ironic for the KKK to assume the moral highground here, here’s a short film…
“By the way IF we were attacking blacks all the time, it would be front page news in every newspaper”
Travis, I love the way bigotry is usually as blind to reality as it is ignorant.
Why do all you bigots cry for tolerance for your intolerance. Ever heard of irony?
Lets have a look, shall we, at the “innocent” KKK?
- The 1951 Christmas Eve bombing of the home of NAACP activists Harry and Harriette Moore in Mims, Florida, resulting in their deaths.
- The 1957 murder of Willie Edwards, Jr. Klansmen forced Edwards to jump to his death from a bridge into the Alabama River.
- The 1963 assassination of NAACP organizer Medgar Evers in Mississippi. In 1994, former Ku Klux Klansman Byron De La Beckwith was convicted.
- The 1963 bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, which killed four African-American girls. The perpetrators were Klan members Robert Chambliss, convicted in 1977, Thomas Blanton and Bobby Frank Cherry, convicted in 2001 and 2002. The fourth suspect, Herman Cash, died before he was indicted.
- The 1964 murders of three civil rights workers Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner in Mississippi. In June 2005, Klan member Edgar Ray Killen was convicted of manslaughter.
- The 1964 murder of two black teenagers, Henry Hezekiah Dee and Charles Eddie Moore in Mississippi. In August 2007, based on the confession of Klansman Charles Marcus Edwards, James Ford Seale, a reputed Ku Klux Klansman, was convicted. Seale was sentenced to serve three life sentences. Seale was a former Mississippi policeman and sheriff’s deputy.
- The 1965 Alabama murder of Viola Liuzzo. She was a Southern-raised Detroit mother of five who was visiting the state in order to attend a civil rights march. At the time of her murder Liuzzo was transporting Civil Rights Marchers.
- The 1966 firebombing death of NAACP leader Vernon Dahmer Sr., 58, in Mississippi. In 1998 former Ku Klux Klan wizard Sam Bowers was convicted of his murder and sentenced to life. Two other Klan members were indicted with Bowers, but one died before trial, and the other’s indictment was dismissed.
- Once African Americans secured federal legislation to protect civil and voting rights, the Klan shifted its focus to opposing court-ordered busing to desegregate schools, affirmative action and more open immigration, as in 1971, Klansmen used bombs to destroy 10 school buses in Pontiac, Michigan.
- On November 3, 1979, the Greensboro massacre occurred in Greensboro, North Carolina, where five marchers were killed by members of the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party while staging a protest.
- On November 14, 2008, an all-white jury of seven men and seven women awarded $1.5 million in compensatory damages and $1 million in punitive damages to plaintiff Jordan Gruver, represented by the Southern Poverty Law Center against the Imperial Klans of America. The ruling found that five IKA members had savagely beaten Gruver, then 16 years old, at a Kentucky county fair in July 2006
The list is endless…..
Fairly “black and white” to me…. pardon the pun, Travis.
You’re “honest” opinion isn’t worth dog manure. The reality is your a bunch of in-bred racists who like to dress up in bed sheets.
You’re lies in here are offensive to civilised and intelligent people like me. Run along now, I’m sure you have a cross to burn….
“Why do all you bigots cry for tolerance for your intolerance.”
There’s plenty of gay people on here that same very sentence could easily be applied to!
My point is made, the good students of Alinsky have changed from the issue; to a personal attack, stereo types, and gross insults. Forgetting that in all the incidences mentioned by commentor 19 the F.B.I. supplied the inspiration, gasoline and dynamite, liqour and an informant to egg them on, how many F.B.I. are in your movement right now? How many agent provacaturs are among you, and when will they decide to make their careers on a sensational case they create. Not that you have any interest but should you bother to look on our site you might notice the cross we use is made of steel, we light the form of the cross we have no reason to burn it, of course it means nothing to those who are not Christians anyway so it is a phoney complaint in most cases. I can produce lists of black mass murders, I can produce the statistics that show more blacks kill blacks every year than the Tuskegee Institute estimates were killed by Klansmen in all years inclusive 1865- 1964. But that does nothing but prove that there is evidence on both sides while the issues go wanting. In conclusion: we work against the AGENDA of organizations such as the NEA, NAACP NAMBLA, La Rasa and others whose agenda we believe is anti-American, anti-Christian and anti-Capitolist regardless of the race, creed or color of it’s membership. Regardless of political affilliation or party.
“My point is made, the good students of Alinsky have changed from the issue; to a personal attack, stereo types, and gross insults”
Oh, really, is it? Lets see, I show YOU the historical context, proven facts, and what do you do in return? Call the KKK’s PROVEN TRACK RECORD of murder and racism a “personal attack”???
Are you saying these accounts are wrong?
I’m beginning to wonder how blind you really are, or how stupid you think the rest of us are.
Bigots and racists, don’t you just love how they can fool themselves?
“There’s plenty of gay people on here that same very sentence could easily be applied to!”
And perhaps you can expand on this statement, Stephanie…. I’m sure you don’t mean to support the KKK, and then have a bee in your bonnet about intolerance….
Travis:- the good students of Alinsky have changed from the issue; to a personal attack
“The good students of Alinsky”??????? So, because we KNOW the KKK to be of bunch of red neck religious racist and murdering bigots, we’re all “students” of Saul Alinsky, once called “one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left” for four decades of organizing the poor for radical social action, and focusing on improving the living conditions of poor communities across North America?
Is this supposed to be an insult??? Please. Do you even know where Europe is???
And are you denying the proven track record of the KKK with regards to murder, as kindly shown by Will, all proven accounts?????
And are you saying that because you “can produce the statistics that show more blacks kill blacks every year than the Tuskegee Institute estimates were killed by Klansmen” that makes the actions of murderers okay???? Are you for real???? You’re defending a bunch of racists murderers, who try to hide behind pillowcases and masks, and you think that’s okay????
Will’s right, you’re are blind or stupid…. or both.
True colours been seen here. You should be ashamed of yourself…. get out of here, you disgust me.
The Ku Klux Klan…on PinkNews
…now what have we here, a missionary, a commercial traveler or a Tory supporter?
The whole racist, homophobic, sexist and bigoted world has just gone completly mad and bonkers in 2010!!!!!
Travis @23 – regardless of what the FBI supplied or did not supply to the KKK, the evidence for who actually carried out all the lynchings is pretty incontravertable.
If I caught wind that a political group I was involved in had a track record of doing the half of that I would be handing in my resignation, not attempting to point the finger at the person who allegedly supplied the nooses and gasoline.
By that token, the petrol pump attendant and the guy who sold the booze are both guilty of lynching black people.
The KKK still had the freedom of choice not to use all that stuff, the Nuremberg defence won’t wash on this occasion.
The photographic evidence (see post 20) and the many court verdicts (post 21) are an inexhaustible supply of smoking guns all pointing to your organisation’s complicity in institutionalised lynching.
Proof if any were needed that denial isn’t simply a river that runs through Egypt.
The KKK support civil unions? You could say ‘so what?’ as their support is not really going to make a difference, but it does symbolise in a strange way what a vast amount of progress has been made in terms of acceptance for gay relationships. Bizarre…
G.A.P. Mitchell, your parents were taking a bit of a risk calling you Gay Activist Paul, weren’t they – I mean, what kind of a name is Paul?? And just think, if your granddaddy had been called Oliver you might have been G.O.P. Mitchell.
Hilarious. The best laugh I’ve had all week. A bit like Mussolini attacking Hitler’s racism (which he did, apparently).
I was recently privy to a protest by the WBC here in WV. They came to the capitol to protest the fact that we were having a holy week that recognized several different religions. It just so happened that they were in WV during the mining accident that claimed several lives. More than likely they will be back to protest more funerals. I’m all for freedom of speech, religion, and all the other rights and freedoms our constitution provides, however I feel that protesting a funeral just shows a lack of common decency. I also feel that sometimes the gay movement is hurting itself instead of helping the cause. I’m a gay man who has been out since I graduated high school. That being said, you will not find any gay bumper stickers, memberships to any gay organizations with exception to the HRC. Instead of calling for gay rights and freedoms, we need to be working together as ONE group for HUMAN RIGHTS for everyone. I have straight friends who ask me all the time why are there naked or half-dressed people in gay pride parades, I look at them and tell them I honestly do not know. Do you see parades of straight people with naked people? We have parades all the time in the small town where I grew up and never once have I seen a naked person riding a float or walking in the procession. Well I’ve rambled enough for one night. Think about these things and ask yourself if the single victory here and there is worth losing the war?
“Think about these things and ask yourself if the single victory here and there is worth losing the war?”
Marshall, have you thought why there needs to be a pride march in the first place? When you have that answer, you’ll see why people feel a need to express themselves in, well, odd ways as you put it. Repression brings out expression, after all. The point is, the fact there is a handful of esoteric half naked people in a pride march, does not detract from the need for the march itself, or the millions who are not naked, and are marching every year for their basic human rights. I believe you’re fixating on the minor details, not the whole here, and the reason there is not “straight pride”, is they never needed one. If your straight friends don’t understand, get them to try to pretend for one day to live in a world where religious organisations are preaching hate and destruction to the just becuase they live in love with their same sex partner, as is natural to them, or that their relationship will gain no or less recognition than the straight equivalent, or that there are people who will beat you to a bloody pulp just for being who and what you are….
And if after that, they still don’t understand, then you need to ask yourself why are they your friends….
Mercy me, Ms Scarlett; a KKK spokesperson done and got this website address!!!!!! HELP! (by the way do youthink the “Clan” monitors all our musings on this site? spooky!)
The KKK? Probably… like the way Skinner does.
They must have little to do with their time…. maybe they’ve finished the pillow cases for the cross burning season and have time on their hands?
Please don’t take this to mean that I am attacking you Will, but I find it a very frustrating situation all around.
I’m with Marshall on this one. We’re not fighting to have “pride” — either you have that or you don’t. (Incidentally, having pride does not require overexposing oneself, whether that is physically due to a lack of clothing, or socially, due to a lack of regard for anyone but oneself.)
Black people did not have pride marches, they had civil rights marches, and that is precisely what is needed.
Alas, there are extremists on both sides who would rather make a spectacle — the difference being that those opposed gain greater standing from the spectacle than those who are for equal rights. That “esoteric” handful does infinitely more damage to the cause than many of us are willing to admit, for fear of being perceived as *gasp* intolerant of one of our own. Parading one’s sexuality around in lieu of standing with dignity gives us all a bad name, and since we are the underdogs in this scenario, there isn’t room for this kind of distraction from the dialogue if we hope to ever accomplish the goal of equality. Understand that if this is a concern within the gay community (which it rightfully is), it is a much larger concern within society at large.
Further, if you think that we gays are the only ones oppressed by social conditions such as religion, you haven’t given this very much thought. Sure, go ahead, feel outraged. But it is what you do with that sentiment which really speaks to the depth of your character. If you use these feelings to rationalize behavior away as “self-expression”, you are fueling an argument which can never be won, for we will always be too busy getting in touch with our feelings to address the issue at hand: that our relationships deserve equal treatment under the law.
Legality first; society second. Once this becomes the true mantra of the gay community, and we stand together to demand respect, then we will have a real solid chance.
“My point is made, the good students of Alinsky have changed from the issue; to a personal attack, stereo types, and gross insults. Forgetting that in all the incidences mentioned by commentor 19 the F.B.I. supplied the inspiration, gasoline and dynamite, liqour and an informant to egg them on, how many F.B.I. are in your movement right now? How many agent provacaturs are among you, and when will they decide to make their careers on a sensational case they create. Not that you have any interest but should you bother to look on our site you might notice the cross we use is made of steel, we light the form of the cross we have no reason to burn it, of course it means nothing to those who are not Christians anyway so it is a phoney complaint in most cases. I can produce lists of black mass murders, I can produce the statistics that show more blacks kill blacks every year than the Tuskegee Institute estimates were killed by Klansmen in all years inclusive 1865- 1964. But that does nothing but prove that there is evidence on both sides while the issues go wanting. In conclusion: we work against the AGENDA of organizations such as the NEA, NAACP NAMBLA, La Rasa and others whose agenda we believe is anti-American, anti-Christian and anti-Capitolist regardless of the race, creed or color of it’s membership. Regardless of political affilliation or party.”
Oh WOW! It doesn’t get any more offensive than that folks! Travis, you’re making a damn fool of yourself honey. Get the hell out of here!
If he really believed all that crap, he’d tell his buddies to take off their hoods the next time they protest at the Capitol building here in Indianapolis.
Bunch of FREAKS!
“Black people did not have pride marches, they had civil rights marches, and that is precisely what is needed.”
Oh, I agree KC. But Pride DID come from a civil rights march… and in some places it still is. Just becuase a few people decide to remove part of their apparel, or don a risqué version of their working clothes during this march, that’s not the point. The majority don’t do this, and do see Pride a a time to stand up and be counted.
“Further, if you think that we gays are the only ones oppressed by social conditions such as religion, you haven’t given this very much thought”
Actually, I’ve given this a lot of though, and I’m afraid religion is the primary fuel to the fire that is homophobia…. its oppression of other parts of society is not up for debate here. You seem to make that a reason for something, but I’m not exactly sure what.
I don’t mean to sound offensive, but I think you are taking an approach that we shouldn’t “scandalise” being gay, in case we offend someone. Gay is many things to many people… some see it as a sexual thing, and while I don’t agree, this is a democracy, and they are entitled to that view. But its not the majority. This is why I believe it is society first, legality second – Politicians are slow to adopt to public support and opinion, and its the public support we need to get laws changed. No legal precedent is set in a country where the majority of a population is against us, in fact the opposite. And yes, maybe a few scantly clad people in Pride might fuel the fires of a few homophobes, but so what?
Yes, we’re not “fighting to have pride”, I agree with that, but Pride is but one part of the fight, especially in countries where its a protest foremost. It is the right to assembly without oppression. If you don’t agree, then that’s you prerogative, but don’t dismiss the millions that DO march for something more then the right to wear a g-string…. that fixations on this handful of people who see Pride as an excuse to wear a piece of leather, is probably something you need to work on. It;s much more then that. Its a time to show numbers and strength… and that gets results in any democracy.
David in Indy:
Now if we can lure the Phelps family onto this thread, we’d have a real treat to distract us from the election campaigns in the UK.
Green tea? White Lighting?
“During its heyday, in the mid-1920s, was the Ku Klux Klan more like a marketing firm than a terrorist organization?
A new paper co-authored by Steven Levitt, the University of Chicago economist who scrutinized the Klan in the best-selling ‘Freakonomics’, argues that the group was far more successful at raising money than at achieving its professed goals of passing racist legislation and intimidating black or foreign-born Americans.
The authors, who compiled data on more than 60,000 Klansmen from several States, found that even at the height of its power — in the mid-1920s, membership may have been as high as 4 million — the Klan was politically ineffective.
There’s ‘little evidence’ that its activity prompted African Americans to leave their communities, and though significant numbers of Klan-backed politicians were elected to local and national office, they don’t seem to have pushed through very much legislation.
But the Klan did have an ‘uncanny ability to raise revenue’.
New-member initiation cost $10 and annual dues $5, and members were required to buy an official Klan robe and encouraged to purchase other Klan paraphernalia, such as swords or helmets.
Klan members typically spent about $275 (in today’s dollars) in their first year and about $80 in subsequent years.
Recruiters received a 40 percent commission for bringing in new members.
Using similar incentives up the chain of command, the Klan operated on a ‘multi-level marketing principle, much like modern companies such as Amway and Avon’ do.
The higher-ups reaped huge profits: the authors calculate that D. C. Stephenson, the ‘grand dragon’ of Indiana, took in more than $2 million annually from state operations.”
—“Hatred and Profits: Getting Under the Hood of the Ku Klux Klan,” Roland G. Fryer Jr. and Steven D. Levitt, NBER
So…are the KKK ‘Freakonomics’ here to recruit Mr. Cohen?
“Governor Sarah Palin is reeling after nominating for attorney general a man who allegedly defended the right of men to rape their wives.
While priming her political machine for a likely 2012 presidential primary run, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has fomented a scandal that threatens to further erode her reputation in the Last Frontier.
In March, Palin nominated Wayne Anthony Ross for attorney general.
Ross, a colorful far-right lawyer and longtime Palin ally who sports his initials, W.A.R., on his Hummer’s vanity plates, was once considered a shoo-in for confirmation.
However, his nomination was thrown into grave peril when his opponents presented evidence that he called homosexuals “degenerates,” leveled invective against an African-American student offended by a statue of a Klansman, vowed to undermine the sovereignty of Native American tribes, and allegedly defended men who rape their wives.
According to two sources close to the confirmation hearings, Palin may ask Ross to withdraw before his appointment comes to a vote.”
@33 & 37:
Have you ever heard of an American group called GOProud?
Do you think gays should go back in the closet?
Do you condone gay reparative therapy?
Do you support Uganda’s bill to kill gays?
Now please don’t take this the wrong way.
oh…and where does a gay Republican go when he finds out that a Fundamentalist Party has replaced the Republican Party?
To the UK’s Tory Party???
Jamaica’s First Gay Pride:
If they are charging the intelligent agent who leaked info to wikileaks with possibly a death sentence, they should charge the WBC with treason.