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  1. John(Derbyshire) 8 Apr 2010, 11:56am

    This is someone who knows THE TRUTH about them. They just hate our guts- and when Chris Grayling is home secretary in just a few weeks time-he`ll certainly be looking at ways to disadvantage us. Homophobia is in their souls- even the tories who are gay themselves.They must be full of self-hate and revulsion. They haven`t removed Chris Grayling from his shadow role- because basically-they agree with him!

  2. This really ought to make all other gays and lesbians thinking of voting Tory STOP and THINK and have the GUTS to ditch LGBTory.

    She wouldn’t have made this decision lightly.

  3. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 11:57am

    I’m delighted that Anastasia is supporting Labour. They’re well suited. It’s certainly no loss to LGBTory or the Conservative Party. As your story rightly highlights, Ms Beaumont-Bott left under a rather a huge cloud. Revenge is a dish best served cold and hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Fair play to her for saving it until now but this loss is definitely a TORY GAIN.

  4. mmmm I smell an election… You can always tell when Labour are behind something.

  5. Spread the word about this everyone! The power of the internet is at our disposal. Lies and deceit can’t be hidden so easily anymore.

    The Tories have been pretending to be gay-friendly. They simply will not distance themselves from all those people they’re calling “the great ignored”, i.e. the Tory voters, the acceptable face of the people who basically hold much the same beliefs deep down as the BNP.

    What Tories REALLY believe is that Britain should be what it used to be, a land for white British people with gays out of sight.

  6. Funny that she left 2 years ago but suddenly decides to make her views known now!! Makes no sense to me unless its just bitter revenge. If it was that bad she would have come out with it 2 years ago.

  7. The fact that the founder and former leader of LGBTory will be voting Labour because of the bigotry of the Tory Party says it all.

    I’ve always known that the LGBTory Group were nothing but a meaningless PR stunt designed to fool masochistic LGBT people that the Tories no longer despised them.

    This woman proves it.

    LGBTory have not made a comment on the disgusting bigotry of Chris Grayling.

    Are LGBTory really that useless and ineffective that they could support homophobic discrimination.

    A vote for the Conservatives is a vote for homophobic bigotry.

    And this article about the founder and former leader of LGBTory proves it.

  8. “Funny that she left 2 years ago but suddenly decides to make her views known now!!”

    Almost as funny as David Cameron voting against pretty much every piece of gay-friendly legislation in the last 10 years, but suddenly deciding that he is not homophobic in the run up to the election. That screams opportunism to me.

    And considering that the homophobic bigot Chris Grayling is still the Shadow Home Secretary this is clear evidence that the Tories remain homophobic bigots.

    If Nick Griffin was to make a statement to a secret meeting that white British people should be allowed to deny a hotel room to a black couple he would be condemned as an evil fascist.

    Chris Grayling’s comments about B&B’s being allowed to discriminate against gay couples is just as disgusting and fascist.

    And the fact that Grayling keeps his job shows how little difference there is between the Tories and the BNP.

  9. You mean Dude Dave C has done EXACTLY the same as Gordy B with gay rights and not voted. Thats both of them. Oh thats right Gordy B always too busy!

  10. This story proves nothing except she wants he little bit of glory. If it was true why wait? Oh yeah Like is say theres and election coming. How jolly convienent!

  11. Anastasia Beaumont Bott (real name Stacey Bott) has resigned from many postions within the Conservative Party – citing various forms of bulying each time.

    Personally, i have never wittnessed, experienced of suspected an ounce of homophobia at any level within the Conservative Party in my five years’ involvement with it (I, incidentally, used to run the office of a Conservative politician)

    However, knowing Ms. Bott well, I can quite understand how her various characteristics might encourage other people to reveal an otherwise latent inclination towards bullying

  12. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 12:28pm

    If Anastasia is serious about her homphobic bullying, why doesn’t she report it as a hate crime? Why didn’t she report it at the time of the alleged incident(s)? This is nothing more than a political stunt and she’s chosen the right time to play her hand.

    I wonder if any of Ms Beaumont-Bott’s little skeletons will come out of the closet and even I know there’s quite a few!

  13. Pumpkin Pie 8 Apr 2010, 12:28pm

    If she feels she did the wrong thing before, staying quiet about it would only make matters worse. Stuff Labour. Telling people which party to vote for isn’t important – Beaumont-Bott learned that the hard way. So, instead of making another potential mistake by switching allegiance, she should start campaigning on exactly why it was she left an organisation she helped found. If there’s some dark truths to be uncovered about the Tories, she needs to get her ass in gear and start dishing the dirt. And I mean more than a couple of paragraphs. That’s a press release, not a campaign.

    Go, go, go!

  14. This is history repeating itself – back in 2001, the head of TorCHE (the precursor to LGBTory) defected to the Lib Dems over Tory homophobia and sexism. She’s now standing as a Lib Dem parliamentary candidate.

  15. I’m not much impressed that this news has appeared in 3rd position on the PinkNews front-page when any PinkNews story about Cameron goes in at No 1 and stays stuck there for quite some time despite the arrival of other stories.

    Looks to me like Tory-leaning PinkNews is trying to play this down but including it just so that they look impartial.

  16. vulpus_rex 8 Apr 2010, 12:43pm

    How amusing – petulant 20 year old student comes out for Labour and on the same day, the uber cool, mega star Michael Caine turns out for the Tories.

    Poor old Brown – crucified in the media for his ridiculous NI increases, he’s having a dreadful start to his campaign.

    Only 28 days of Liebour left!

  17. Mumbo Jumbo 8 Apr 2010, 12:46pm

    Comment #3 by Cllr Stephen Ellis

    “…hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.”

    I see the “changed” Conservative party has failed to rid itself of sexism as well.

  18. Michael Caine super cool? Please (is it his Lil-Kim bling glamour or the false teeth?). Anyhow, the main point here is that there are a number of public examples of LGBT Tory activists leaving the Conservative Party over homophobia. Of course the timing is political, it is an election campaign.

    The Tories are not our friends: snuggled up to quasi-fascists in Europe, happy to trash public services – which many LGBT people depend on – and smiling at us because they have finally realised that we are 10% of the electorate and increasing numbers of the general public are not homophobic.

  19. Call me Dave can say how sorry he was/is for section 28 and wheel out his lovely Lady to smile at us BUT I still don’t trust them on LGBT rights and the “mis speaks” of the last week go to support my fears!

  20. Why is it that homophobes and racists are always the first to deny its existence. Know thyself trolls

  21. Wow…I didn’t realise that the T in LGBT now stands for Tory:(

  22. Mumbo Jumbo 8 Apr 2010, 1:15pm

    I know Stonewall creates different reactions from people on here but everyone might some find value in the Election 2010 guide they have just produced and the facts/figures/voting records etc. within:

    http://www.stonewall.org.uk/what_we_do/parliamentary/general_election_2010/default.asp?dm_i=647716397

  23. vulpus_rex 8 Apr 2010, 1:17pm

    This is what a real lesbian Tory activist looks like:

    http://www.margotjames.com/about

    What I like about Margot is that when she stood in Holborn & St Pancras and then was selected in Stourbridge she didn’t have to be parchuted in on some ridiculous short list.

  24. GAY GIMPS VOTE TORY
    why would any gay man or woman defend the tory homophobic party? its embarassing. like when you see an asian voting for the BNP. it’s just weird. pathetic. brain hacked. masochistic. wanting to be loved by the people who hate you. if you are gay and vote tory you are suffering from stockholm syndrome.

  25. Cllr Stephen Ellis: As your story rightly highlights, Ms Beaumont-Bott left under a rather a huge cloud. Revenge is a dish best served cold and hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Fair play to her for saving it until now but this loss is definitely a TORY GAIN.

    The story doesn’t say Ms Beaumont-Bott “left under a rather a huge cloud.” It does say that “she left Conservative Future in 2008, citing ‘accusations, lies, and gossip’ being spread about her.”

    Your comment that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned is sexist, but that’s no surprise for a party whose MEPs recently voted against women’s equality, making Britain the only EU member state where more MEPs voted against equality than voted in favour.

  26. ” the head of TorCHE (the precursor to LGBTory) defected to the Lib Dems”

    @ Dave Page: Would it be in order to ask for a name?

    Would it be in order to ask

  27. Patrick James 8 Apr 2010, 1:32pm

    Vulpus Rex writes:

    How amusing – petulant 20 year old student comes out for Labour and on the same day, the uber cool, mega star Michael Caine turns out for the Tories.

    Michael Caine has been a Conservative party supporter for decades. He supports them at every election.

    Does Vulpus Rex really not know that?

    Vulpus Rex describes Anastasia Beaumont-Bott as “petulant”, does he know her?

  28. BrazilBoysBlog 8 Apr 2010, 1:37pm

    I do think this story is yet another example of (some) gay and lesbian Tories waking up and discovering that the grass roots tories are STILL a homophobic bunch. Whatever David Cameroon says during the election, I am sure the REST of the gay Tory apologists will discover the SAME from what the Tories do AFTER the election.

  29. Patrick James 8 Apr 2010, 1:37pm

    I congratulate Anastasia Beaumont-Bott.

    The LGBT Conservatives are being used by David Cameron to shield the party’s homophobic actions and to misrepresent the party as one that is LGBT-friendly when it is the reverse.

    LGBT Conservatives can retain their personal dignity and do some good for LGBT people by leaving the Conservative party and making their objection to the party public.

  30. Patrick James 8 Apr 2010, 1:43pm

    That Vulpus Rex has only found out that Michael Caine is a Conservative supporter today reinforces my belief that Vulpus Rex is actually very young.

    He can’t remember anything of the 2005 election, so he is very likely a teenager.

    I do feel this is good news because it does mean that as Vulpus Rex grows up a bit in the coming years then he will start to get a perspective on why he wishes to support homophobic causes, and perhaps break away from that and come to like people who like gays. Then come to like himself.

  31. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 1:53pm

    Comment 25 – I know what the story says but as someone speaking from within the Conservative Party who knows a lot of what went on, I’m probably more able to make such qualified remarks!

    I don’t think there will be any Tory tears shed following this change of allegiance …

  32. Patrick James 8 Apr 2010, 1:57pm

    BrazilBoysBlog writes:

    I do think this story is yet another example of (some) gay and lesbian Tories waking up and discovering that the grass roots tories are STILL a homophobic bunch. Whatever David Cameroon says during the election, I am sure the REST of the gay Tory apologists will discover the SAME from what the Tories do AFTER the election.

    Yes indeed, BrazilBoysBlog, I feel that many of the LGBT Conservatives must now realise that they have been taken for a ride by David Cameron.

    He has no doubt promised them all kinds of things but in fact what we see is that at every opportunity in Westminster the Conservatives block progress on LGBT issues and in the European Parliament they advocate gross homophobia and advance the cause of far right parties.

    David Cameron won’t even make any comment when his shadow home secretary supports discrimination against LGBT people.

    So, by now there really must be a lot of LGBT Conservatives who are very unhappy with their position as Conservatives.

    These people can retain their dignity and stop being used by Cameron by leaving the Conservative party and making their position known before the election.

    At present their sexuality is being used by Cameron as a shield to disguise his party’s very homophobic actions and policies.

  33. I smell a rat or in other words I smell a Mandleson. They’re one and the same.

  34. vulpus_rex 8 Apr 2010, 2:00pm

    From the BBC Website:

    “1333: “Sir Michael Caine has told me he is backing the Conservatives to win the next election,” reports the BBC’s Carole Walker. “He said it was ‘their turn’. He said he’d voted for Margaret Thatcher, then for Tony Blair and he said now he’s backing David Cameron to be prime minister.”

    Ignorant Liebour supporter @27:

    “Michael Caine has been a Conservative party supporter for decades. He supports them at every election.”

    Liebour and their shills just can’t get anything right can they?

  35. I really do resent being told who I am, what i believe in and what i stand for by someone who has never even met me.

    Does forming a negative opinion on a broad grouping or ‘type’ not fall under the general label or prejudice?

    If any of you should find yourselves in Edinburgh, i will gladly meet you for a coffee and a chat and *then* you may form your opinion about who I, as a gay Conservative, really am

  36. David Cameron “Coming Out” Street Party

    2pm, this Sunday, 11 April, outside Conservative election campaign HQ, 30 Millbank, SW1P 4DP

    You are invited to join this Sunday’s carnival-style “Big Gay Flashmob” street party.

  37. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 2:11pm

    Your may be interested in the attached story to find out what went on …

    http://www.torybear.com/2010/04/truth-about-stacy-bott.html

  38. Patrick James 8 Apr 2010, 2:12pm

    Cllr Stephen Ellis writes:

    I know what the story says but as someone speaking from within the Conservative Party who knows a lot of what went on, I’m probably more able to make such qualified remarks!

    I don’t think there will be any Tory tears shed following this change of allegiance …

    I assume Stephen Ellis is one of these LGBT Conservatives.

    Stephen Ellis responds to this event by “dumping” on Anastasia Beaumont-Bott. He does this in the comments of a blog.

    How astonishingly cheap. No wonder Anastasia left such a group.

    So, all Stephen Ellis can do in response is attempt to discredit Anastasia. He doesn’t even have the guts to do this in a more public medium, instead, apparently spreading rumours in blog comments.

    I think that LGBT Conservatives would do very well to leave the party and make their position public not only because of the homophobia of the party but also to show people like Stephen Ellis, who attempt to control by slander, that they will not be bullied in this way.

    Once again well done Anastasia for breaking free from this group!

  39. @ Cllr Stephen Ellis – how about a comment on why the Tory party is against women’s equality? Your reasons would be appreciated.

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    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?r03c6aad0&id=1037636673&refid=17#!/event.php?eid=110970195595502&ref=mf

  41. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 2:26pm

    Anastasia doesn’t need any help – least of all mine – when it comes to discrediting. I’m supplying the other side of the story so you get to see what is really going on. People can then make their own conclusions following a balanced debate.

    And this story wouldn’t be in the public domain if Anastasia hadn’t put it here! And you’re not telling me that she can be so naive as to think she wouldn’t get some form of criticism having put this in the public domain in a General Election campaign?

  42. The LGBTory group are being used by the Law and Justice Tory Party to disguise how revoltingly bigotted the Tories remain.

    I do hope that the ‘Gay Uncle Toms’ of LGBTory do not decide to attack their former leader and founder for quitting the group because of the Tory Party’s homophobic bigotry.

    It is scarcely imaginable that LGBTory could become even more pathetic and irrelevant than they already are.

    But if they were to attack this woman, while remaining silent on the fact that the Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling is a homophobic neo-fascist, it would make them even more of a pathetic, laughing stock than they already are.

    A vote for the Tories is the same as voting for the BNP. The BNP want to discriminate against people solely on the basis of their race. The Tories want to discriminate against people solely on the basis of their sexual orientation.

    Has Chris Grayling been sacked for his neo-fascist homophobia yet?

    I thought not.

  43. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 2:30pm

    @ Dave

    The Conservative Party is hardly against equality for women! We brought you the first and only female Prime Minister. We have the fabulous and successful Margot James who is a lesbian, a Party vice chair, and fighting a very winnable seat in Stourbridge. She’ll be an amazing MP …

  44. @ Cllr Stephen Ellis

    So why did Tory MEPs vote against women’s equality in February 2010?

  45. There’s some remarkable Nasty Party comments on display here from those Tory trolls who like to hang about this site. For example:

    “knowing Ms. Bott well, I can quite understand how her various characteristics might encourage other people to reveal an otherwise latent inclination towards bullying” says Tim Fell – ah yes, of course, she was asking for it. Wonder where I’ve heard a man say that about a woman before? Nice to see the victim of bullying being made out to be the one to blame. What filthy, low-down sh1t, Mr Fell, shame on you and shame on your Tory Boy mates like Cllr “oooh look, I’ve just resigned” Ellis – given that he’s apparently quit posts before now, you’d think he’d have more sympathy for Anastasia BB, being forced out. But oh no, what we get is the Tory snobbery of putting her down by calling her “Stacey Bott”. Probably an example of the sneers and bullying she’d previously put up with.

    Fact is, the Tory Party hasn’t changed from top to bottom just coz The Chinlesss One makes out he’s our friend: the bigots are still there, Hague and his after dinner sneering remarks, Grayling and his hidden agenda, and of course Squidgy coming on here and claiming not to be a supporter of any one party yet consistently pumping out the Tory line. What odds on the Tories getting more desperate as polling day approaches ?

  46. First of all Anastasia Beaumont Bott’s real name is Stacey Bott…I have seen her passport.

    Secondly, I have seen, and experienced, at first hand exactly the way she treats people and believe me it is not nice. I can therefore understand why many people reacted against her. The fact that she is a woman or supposedly a ‘victim’ does not come into the equation.

    I think it important to point out the character behind this woman to properly understand the full picture and context of these events

  47. “Anastasia Beaumont” Bott left under a cloud. She waited until there is an election to “tell her story”.

    The only real loser in all of this is her; her haste to switches allegiences at the first sign of trouble only demonstrates what a loose cannon she is.

    As to whether this will trigger a mass switching of votes, I suspect not. It is surely better to work from within to improve a party that is 90% OK, than to vote for a party that is 90% wrong.

  48. Tim Fell, you didn’t say there was no bullying, you said (I’ll repeat it again, as it seems to have slipped your mind) she “might encourage other people to reveal an otherwise latent inclination towards bullying”.

    Regardles sof anything else, it’s disgusting to excuse bullying of any sort by blaming the victim. As regards her name, her name is what she legally choses it to be, and I can’t help but note that she addressed this issue in 2008: http://theblueguerilla.blogspot.com/2008/08/stacey-who.html

    But the snobbery of you Tory Boys is so ingrained that you don’t apologise for it, you grind it in, you’re snobby about whether she’s called Stacey or Anastasia and you try to put her down to reinforce your own feeble snobbery. That’s vile.

    And if you think it’s opportunistic of her to raise these issues now, when there’s an election on, I can only note that you’ve also waited until now to publicly sneer at the woman and applaud those who buillied her. Odd you never seem to haev mentioned the shortcomings you now claim to have known about until now.

  49. Oh DavidW as via another post about “Government forced to drop compulsory sex ed…” i have left a thread saying not matter what I AM voting Tory. We need to rid of this nasty self-obsessed labour and their supporters whose only form of communication is to abuse and be offensive.

    I don’t believe for a second our rights will cease and maybe if the Tories put the fear in some of you, well maybe, just maybe that’d be a good thing. Maybe you’ll start to appreciate what we do have and learn from that and start to focus on making things better not just for you but for all future LGBT people.

    I am so sick of this nasty bunch of selfish me, me , me, it’s now or never people on here who feel everyone else with a difference of opinion is wrong and therefore should suffer your abuse. It’s what Labour stand for and why we need them out.

    Mandleson and Brown are nothing but lying spin freaks. They have made a mess for 13 years. Time to stand aside and let someone else have a chance and see if we can’t improve things in this country.

    Under Labour Britain has become spineless. Its time to see someone with some backbone in charge.

    You nasty ones have made that decision for me with regards of my vote. I really hope they get in. If you don’t like it tough, it’s my choice, my right. Sue me if you don’t like it! Oh sorry you can’t its a democracy!!

    Here’s to Dude cDave C and the Tories!! The day they get in will be a better day for us all!

  50. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 3:35pm

    If ever in doubt that you’re losing the argument, let’s play the class card and dig out the snob card!

    And let’s look at who’s bullying who here? Who put the story in the public domain? Who’s made a series of unfounded bulling claims? Who’s not named any of the alleged perpetrators? Who’s waited for 2 years to suddenly promote this story? Wake up and smell the coffee!!

    And, @DaveW, I’ve resigned from loads of things – you can’t physically be involved in everything and on everything forever! There is a time to move on. I’ve had disagreements with Party members over matters – only I’ve not slated them in the national press in the middle of a General Election campaign with a serious of unfounded and unnamed allegations. And that’s where the big difference is!

  51. so someone pops upt o use ad hominem attacks and a councillor smears her! do you both see how bad you look?
    Squidgy should read this as it answers why she kept quiet:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/im-voting-labour-founder-of-tory-gay-rights-group-says-1938700.html
    Good luck to her as she’s out of the tories!

  52. Cllr Stephen Ellis:-

    Blimey after reading that she sounds perfect for the Labour party. Just the right attitude and nastiness the party attracts. She’d fit in Very well.

    Sounds like I was right abour bitterness and revenge (another Labour trait). Just don’t understand why she would knowingly let down LGBT community by not revealing this when she left.

  53. I’m not quite sure how someone who has never met me can accuse me of being a snob. My grandmother was born in the work house, I went to a pretty rubbish comprehensive school, and I work in the public sector…hardly the preserves of a snob.

    Someone who takes the decision to change their name from Stacy Bott to Anastasia Beaumont Bott might be a much better example of snobbery.

    And returning to the bullying allegation – someone who stabs others in the back, talks down to everyone, presents herself with an air of inflated self-importance, spreads lies, acts with an arrogant pomposity, is obsessed with power control and ‘the important people’, whilst trying to gain the attention of everyone she meets, is most likely to acquire the irritation of a large number of people. At times those who encounter this are likely to react, possibly even form an intense disliking. My mistake perhaps was not to have included ” around the term bullying….If you think the above mentioned behaviour establishes a status of victiomhood on this woman’s shoulders, then I’m afraid you are not in possession of all the facts

  54. vulpus_rex 8 Apr 2010, 4:01pm

    “Someone who takes the decision to change their name from Stacy Bott to Anastasia Beaumont Bott might be a much better example of snobbery.”

    I don’t think it’s snobbery as such, more like desperate, aspirational wannabe-ism.

    I wonder then if Botty is aware that Anastasia is the greek word for resurrection?

    It is also amusing to note that she shares the name Bott with that spoilt little madam from the work of Richmal Compton, Violet Elizabeth Bott who started to scream every time she didn’t get her own way.

  55. Joe White 8 Apr 2010, 4:15pm

    Wow. I am appalled at the gay community. All sides of the political spectrum for such brutal attacking. I mean yeah nice that you are passionate but channel it into something positive. But in my humble opinion the fact she left two years ago and didn’t say anything at the time is suspect as is the “she was advised by Labour to contact the media”. Another attempt to smear the Tory campaign making this election even dirtier. But when you have people like Mandelson who have resigned before due to *mistakes* what do you expect? I have met alot of Conservatives, and Labour for that matter, and am treated no different by either. Shame that all of you people whom I can only assume are “mature” have to bitch and show me the bad side of the gay community. Thanks people, you’ve opened my eyes into what I was born into. Nearest Escape route please.

  56. Tim Fell: you say:

    “Secondly, I have seen, and experienced, at first hand exactly the way she treats people and believe me it is not nice. I can therefore understand why many people reacted against her.”

    Yes but surely she’s not as useless, irrelevant and utterly pathetic as the ‘Gay Uncle Toms’ of the LGBTory Group.

    Please point me to a link where the LGBTory Group condemn Chris Grayling’s neo-fascist support for illegal discrimination against gay people.

    The LGBTory Group are clearly a weird group of seriously damaged people.

    The servile, pathetic masochism of LGBTory is truly pitiable. They truly are the Uncle Tom figures of the gay world. They don’t care how badly their masters treat them so long as they are allowed to sit near their masters.

    They would be laughable if they were not so dangerous.

    Their sole function is to disguise the hatred and bigotry of the Tory Law and Justice Party.

  57. Tim Fell, once again I have to remind you, you didn’t deny bullying or put the word in quotes, you simply excused it and said ABB “provoked” it, you’ve been trying to backpedal fromt hat ever since but the fact is, you justified bullying, while is vile. And the class card – well, it was played by Tory Boys trying to belittle this woman by denying her name and calling her “Stacey Bott” in a pathetic attempt to put her down. You’re the class obsessed ones, I don;t care what she calls herself.

    And Squidgy, you;ve changed your tune, you’ve claimed enough times you had no party affiliation but the truth will out, you’re what you’ve always been, a Tory troll.

  58. Oh and Tim Fell – are you a member of LGBTory Group?

    Please give me 3 examples over the last year where LGBTory Group have disagreed with the official policy of the Tory Party.

    Show me a statement where LGBTory declared that they support marriage equality for same-sex couples?

    I only want 3 examples.

    Surely you can provide those.

    Unless of course the LGBTory Group has no policies relating to the LGBT population?

    It would appear that LGBTory Group are not allowed to have an opinion on ANYTHING unless it matches official Tory policy completely.

    Isn’t that shocking?

    Does LGBTory Group REALLY believe that commercial businesses should be allowed to discriminate in the provision of goods and services to gay people?

  59. I think many people are missing the point here. If she left for the reasons she gave then that should concern people, regardless of when she left, unless there is evidence that subsequent changes to the Tories have rendered her reasons for leaving inapplicable to now. If she still maintains the reasons she left are applicable now (these could be general reasons connected with homophobia), and it is this point if any which gives her criticism merit at this moment in time, then this is a serious matter, regardless of her character, or her motivations. It seems that these reasons (if they involve homophobia) still remain true, given the Grayling remarks are indicative of homophobia, and given that many Tories sympathise with Mr Grayling. So, it seems that she is right to make a comment.

  60. That she is blatantly supporting the Labour party by doing this is irrelevant to the substance of the criticism. And surely the substance of the criticsm should not be left sight of.

  61. As I said before, earlier on, if any of you find yourselves up in Edinburgh we can meet for a coffee and a chat, and *then* you may form an opinion about who i am and what i stand for.

    Indcidetally, whilst at university I served as Gay Rights’ Officer on my Students’ Union.

    Do Labour supporters agree with everythign their allies in Europe think…there are homophobes and plenty more crazies in that grouping I can tell you! ….

  62. The remarks about ABB carry more than a whiff of misogyny with them. I keep asking why the Conservative MEPs voted against women’s equality and no-one seems to want to answer my question. How about a reply from Cllr Stephen Ellis or from Tim Fell or any other Conservative supporter.

  63. DavidW:-

    Couldn’t give a hoot what you think. My mind was help purely on the merit of some of you nasty childish people on here. I just hope the Tories Do win and maybe we can get rid of some of this nasty bully-boy abuse you Labourites spew.

    Maybe a bit of time out to appreciate what we do have wouldn’t go a miss but apparently some of you can see the future through your no-doubt designer named crystal balls.

    I for one am willing to give the Tories a chance. Whoopie. Deal with it. It’s my choice, my decision.

    I’m completely happy and comfortable with voting Tory this time. If you don’t like it, well tough. Not my problem, thats yours!

  64. theotherone 8 Apr 2010, 5:25pm

    political stunt anyone?

    If she feels happy voting for a Party that has not only refused to implement European Directives regarding Queer Rights but has reversed positive decisions in the Upper House, bent to pressure from a Religious Group now embroiled in a scandal involving institutionalised Homophobia, introduced a law which makes Clause 28 look like child’s play and ran a Homophobic campaign against a Shadow Minister then by all rights let her.

    Personally I can’t bring myself to do so.

    Nor can I believe the Lib Dem propaganda when 1 in 5 of their MPs regularly vote AGAINST any Queer Rights.

    They’re all a bunch of vampires.

  65. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 5:27pm

    @ Dave

    I’m looking into why the MEP team didn’t support the vote you’ve highlighted. I’ll get back to you as soon with the details as to why!

  66. Michael Carré 8 Apr 2010, 6:02pm

    Perhaps this is rather naively bipartisan of me, but I think the work of LGBTory is to be commended. I’m a Labour supporter, but there’s no reason why a lesbian, gay, bisexual or trans person can’t support ‘small government’, ‘fiscal responsibility’ and ‘traditional values’. They’re working to provide a voice for themselves in the party that represents that.

    Do I think there is an undercurrent of homophobia within certain sections of the Conservative Party? Absolutely. I’m delighted that this has been highlighted – in many aspects the Tories haven’t changed one little bit and I think the Cameroon façade will soon vanish the minute they take power. But I don’t think contempt for the work of gay Conservatives is the right approach to this at all – they should be congratulated and encouraged.

  67. Sister Mary clarence 8 Apr 2010, 6:11pm

    Michael Carré – as a Conservative supporter I broadly agree with the comments you made (except one). I think with increasing numbers of gay people joining the Conservative Party and supporting them change will be organic. Over time those with outdated views will be marginalised. Hopefully many will reappraise their views where they are outdated or irrational, and if they don’t they will find that the party is no longer a comfortable home for them

  68. Mihangel apYrs 8 Apr 2010, 6:31pm

    “..maybe if the Tories put the fear in some of you, well maybe, just maybe that’d be a good thing. Maybe you’ll start to appreciate what we do have and learn from that and start to focus on making things better not just for you but for all future LGBT people…”

    I’m sorry, Squidgy I can’t let that pass. I don’t want to fear anymore. I know I’m older than you, and while typing I can still feel one of the scars in my mouth following one of my queer-bashings. I have fought for 35 years to be equal, and to be able to live as I like with a partner and friends. I don’t want to have to worry that the pendulum swings back to a less gentle world just as I look forward to retirement in a few years.

    You will vote as you wish, but please DON’T dismiss our fears as groundless, nor disparage us for having them. Individually, we have to weigh up the merits of the parties (and the likely winners), but choose on evidence not on a gut reaction

  69. To Cllr Stephen Ellis – Thanks

  70. theotherone 8 Apr 2010, 6:42pm

    mihangle: i am also scared of a Tory government but a Labour one terrifies me more.

  71. Pumpkin Pie 8 Apr 2010, 6:45pm

    I think many people are missing the point here. If she left for the reasons she gave then that should concern people, regardless of when she left, unless there is evidence that subsequent changes to the Tories have rendered her reasons for leaving inapplicable to now. If she still maintains the reasons she left are applicable now (these could be general reasons connected with homophobia), and it is this point if any which gives her criticism merit at this moment in time, then this is a serious matter, regardless of her character, or her motivations. It seems that these reasons (if they involve homophobia) still remain true, given the Grayling remarks are indicative of homophobia, and given that many Tories sympathise with Mr Grayling. So, it seems that she is right to make a comment.

    That she is blatantly supporting the Labour party by doing this is irrelevant to the substance of the criticism. And surely the substance of the criticsm should not be left sight of.

    Quoting this because it bears repetition. This is what we should be focussing on.

    In other news, this Margot James… Why is her sexuality not mentioned on her info page? Alright, it’s not like I want everyone to jump up and down saying “look at me, I’m queer”, but some mention would be nice. More than nice. It would be a positive action that sends out encouragement to other LGBT people. LGBT Tories seem oddly reticent to mention such things. Shame really. I suppose they don’t want to upset their core voters. Openly gay, but only if you ask.

    Oh, damn it. I quoted Luke to highlight the importance of his point and then derailed the discussion myself. Well, I agree with him entirely, so I guess it would have been a pretty short post otherwise. ¯\(º_o)/¯

  72. Sister Mary Clarence @67 writes “Over time those with outdated views will be marginalised.”

    Glad to see that Sister Mary Clarence has betrayed herself yet again.

    Note that she acknowledges that “those with outdated views” in the Tory Party have not yet been marginalised! In other words, Sister Mary Clarence, the turkey that can’t wait for Christmas, acknowledges that the Tory Party is still dominated by individuals with outdated views.

  73. ‘mihangle: i am also scared of a Tory government but a Labour one terrifies me more.’

    are you off your medication right now, theotherone?

    you have to be to say you’re ‘terrified’ of a Labour government when right this bloody minute and for the last 13 years you’ve been having the best time of your bloody life under a Labour government!

    go take your meds, sweetheart! you’re hallucinating! you know, the same old unwarranted fears and delusions you’ve been having for years? the paranoia. tough, I know.

  74. theotherone 8 Apr 2010, 8:50pm

    lets resort to good old fashioned mud slinging shall we?

    You what to know what I’m scared of? A government completely in league with Religious Extremists, A government who thinks that fueling the rise of the Far Right is a good thing, a government who refuse to give Local Authorities money to cope with the amount of Economic Migrants in their areas, a government who make decisions without consulting specialists, a Government who have sacked their Scientific Advisers and hired Religious Advisers instead. I’m terrified of a Government who believe in extra-judicial Punishment, a government who want to shut down a whole sector of the UK Economy. I’m scared of databases, unmanned drones being used in UK streets, ID Cards, economic mismanagement.

    Paranoia?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/7285850/Unmanned-drones-set-to-give-defence-a-lift.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/henryporter/2010/apr/01/trial-by-jury-heathrow-case

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8601499.stm

  75. But theotherone, if the torys and the support of their european friends that they are supporting get in, none of the above, as a gay man will matter to you , because being gay wont matter to them , or count. You will have no rights what so ever. They might just thank you for your vote as they slap that pink triangle on your back and shove you in the nearest prison, or worse.

  76. Mihangel apYrs 8 Apr 2010, 9:33pm

    dave
    hyperbole isn’t a good response: we know we’re not in danger of the camps not least because so amny of us are out even in nice tory families. What could happen is more insidious, a gradual replacement of our rights by being overridden by religious rights, and an informal lessening of protections – just to reduce bureaucracy and red tape, and a subtle homophobic chill that makes us less safe.

    All the evils that the labour govt brought in for “national security” the tories would have also done, they are in no less thrall to the US, the military, the security services. Any govt (hand in hand with petty jobswortha, and beancounters) would tend to legislate and regulate, including tories who would be acting on advice.

    Under labour we have had equality advances as well as sell outs. I think we may had had less from the tories.

    I don’t want to be pessimistic, but I see little between them in reality. I hope for a hung parliament (or a hanged one!)

  77. theotherone 8 Apr 2010, 9:35pm

    Firstly: I’m not going to vote for them, I’ll be wasting my ballot paper as I always have.

    Secondly: if Labour get into power we’ll all be monitored 24/7 wether through their hugely expensive data basses (in the middle of a fvck1ng depression!), the ID Cards, the gathering of information about our sexual habits, the drones in the skies…

    Labour has only given us what Europe has insisted they do, the Tories will do the same. We have lived under a benevolent Europe not a benevolent Labour.

  78. theotherone 8 Apr 2010, 9:38pm

    mihangel: a Troy/ Lib Dem pact would be the best thing but, frankly, I don’t see it.

    The Tories have a lead of around 10% nationally and around 5 – 7% in the Marginals. We’ll be seeing a Tory Majority.

  79. theotherone 8 Apr 2010, 9:43pm

    and Mihangle: If I can take gentle issue with something you have said…

    The ‘National Security’ and ‘Law And Order’ changes Labour have brought in have been against the advice of the Secret Services and the Police and as to the Military? Labour have starved them of resources while forcing them into increasingly dangerous fronts in wars entered into for political gain. Thatcher did this with The Falklands and Labour with Afghanistan and Iraq.

  80. Cllr Stephen Ellis thanks for the classic Tory party spin of the story and personality assassination of Ms Beaumont-Bott. It reminds me again of why your called the nasty party!

    If you had just said as a party that your sorry that has been her experience I would of thought better of you as a party. But to publicly try and assassinate in the media a 20 year old girl makes you look real bad.

    I’m sure someone will pass this onto your constituents so they know what a despicable person you are Cllr Stephen Ellis.

  81. my nice tory family threw me out for being gay

  82. theotherone 8 Apr 2010, 10:37pm

    my nice Labour family threatened to kill me for being a Trannie but not everyone’s perfect.

  83. The Other Campaign 8 Apr 2010, 10:55pm

    Chris Grayling can say/think what he likes, I couldn’t get care less.

    Don’t vote, organise!

  84. you didn’t read the link or you have your own agenda then Squidgy

  85. Want to see how each of the three major parties have shaped up on gay rights ? See:

    http://mygayvote.co.uk/

  86. I refuse to pander to paranoia and scaremongering. I don’t have a crystal ball like some of you clearly have but I am will to try Tory for a change. I don’t believe our rights will vanish, that just aint gonna happen. For a start Europe won’t have any of it, so I believe thats sorted and we need someone whose going to lead properly and sort out this economy.

    So yep I will be putting a cross next to the Tory box.

  87. Sort out the economy? You think Cameron will do that ? His policies simply favour the richest (like his family and his wife’s): £1.2bn inheritance tax cut to benefit the top 2%; end the 50p tax band, to benefit the top 1% by £2.4bn; cut tax on top peoples’ pensions by £3.2bn for that top 1%; and tax relief for married couples that again give more to the rich than to the most hard-up.

    It’s not just about gay rights, but Tpry priorities are about rewarding their backers, no more and no less than that.

  88. Putting up VAT will hit the poorest in our society the most. Who will help the poor pensioner on £100 a week pay the extra 2.5% on her weekly shop under the Tories? Its strange Dave’s party being Eurosceptic and all. Yet ‘Dave’ wants to bring the UK in line with the average European sales tax at 20%.

    If ‘Dave’ gets in Squidgy, be sure to buy an extra chicken with your shopping and give it to a pensioner. As they wont be able to buy one themselves due to Dave’s VAT rise!

  89. boris changed London buses so they don’t run to a timetable that ken set up now they run in 2&3’s and sometimes up to 30. mins between buses it’s like going back to the 80’s when buses were useless.    and boris was kind enough to make sure the operating companies don’t get fined.   good for business bad for customers.  that’s the Tory way.   he also got rid of the tram extension to crystal palace and  the cross river tram.   but didn’t tax gas guzzlers or extend the congestion zone instead he put of fares for the poorest Londoner  what a charmer.     so those who think the tories will not make big bad changes quickly are idiots.     

  90. Don’t forget DavidW the NI 1% rise will only effect all earnings over £20,000 and will only significantly effect your typical well to do Tory voter. Yet Dave’s 2.5% VAT rise will hit ALL your expenditure. That includes your petrol, clothes, food, electricals and other goods subject to VAT like your electric and gas. And lets not forget you will of still paid you current NI contribution and income tax from your salary also. Still the high earners will not pay the 4% NI increase so they will do well out of Dave’s VAT and not NI increase.

    With petrol, electric and gas prices going up almost weekly Dave will do very nicely out of that 2.5% VAT rise. Maybe he will be able to fund more tax cuts for his city banker family and friends!

  91. so those who think the tories will not make big bad changes quickly are idiots.     or Tories.

  92. ECONOMICS IS THE KEY ISSUE
    Yes, because economically the Tories would reward the richest people at the expense of everyone else whether that is slashing public services (and selling them off to their mates), inheritance tax cuts, ending the 50p top tax band or new ways the Tories find to make the very, very rich even richer at our expense. That is the economic disgrace of the Tory party before you start to consider LGBT rights from their European alliances with quasi-fascists, failure to support any equality measures or their most recent failure to sack a homophobic shadow minister.

    POLICIES NOT WORDS WILL CHANGE OUR LIVES FOR THE BETTER
    There are – and never have been – any progressive Conservative Party policies for LGBT people. Finally they have learnt to say the word ‘gay’ but that is nothing compared to the policies needed to tackle rampant homophobic bullying in schools, attacks on the street, discrimination in services etc. The Conservative Party has only ever given us Section 28, hatred and discrimination. Policies, and not words, will change our lives for the better and at least the Labour Party – supported by trade unions – understands and has done much great work for LGBT rights. Yes, there is more work to be done but so much has been achieved already: see http://www.lgbtlabour.org.uk/therecord

    DAVE’S MASK FALLS
    If you want to vote Tory (or if you want a laugh) check out Dave’s mask fall on gay rights in this interview with Gay Times: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBlDfp85gP8

    PROTEST AGAINST TORY HOMOPHOBIA:
    Come protest at this kiss-in this Sunday at Conservative HQ, 30 Millbank, London, SW1P 4DP (nearest tube, Westminster). Map here: http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=SW1+4DP&countryCode=GB#map=51.49282,-0.12583|16|4&bd=useful_information&loc=GB:51.49273:-0.12594:16|SW1P%204DP|SW1P%204DP and more details here: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=541412795#!/event.php?eid=110970195595502&ref=mf

  93. vulpus_rex 9 Apr 2010, 10:37am

    Abi – can you show us all clearly and unambiguously where David Cameron or any other Tory has said they are going to put VAT up to 20%?

    If you can’t then could you just stop telling big, massive porkies on the internet?

    (FYI – speculative scaremongering claims from the Brown/Clegg school of porkies don’t actually count as evidence in the real world)

    Separately – I found this amusing:

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/brown-deafened-by-sound-of-collapsing-argument-201004082624/

  94. Its the only way he can realisticly fund his election promises and reduce the deficit vulpus_rex.

    Dave and the party have been asked many times to rule out a VAT rise if they gain power. They have failed to make that assurance to the electorate.

    Their silence says many thing

  95. vulpus_rex 9 Apr 2010, 11:10am

    Abi – I didn’t ask for partisan tosh, I asked for a clear and unambiguous statement that this was the plan from any leading Tory.

    Now where is it – or stop your fibbing.

    If silence is your only specious evidence then Clegg and Brown are also in trouble as both have been asked and refused to rule it out.

  96. theotherone 9 Apr 2010, 11:18am

    now Abi, I respect you immensely but the VAT rise that you claim the Tories will instigate is a lie.

    The Tories have stated that a rise in Income Tax is the best (and fairest) way to raise revenue.

    In addition a tax which impacts people earning over £20,000 will not impact the ‘well off’ as £21,000 is the average wage in the country therefore it will impact on a huge number of people.

    Labour have lied time and time again about the impact of Taxation when it is they who, with a huge hike in the Basic Rate, who impacted most on the poorest. Look to Labour if you want to see how a decision on Taxation can effect the poorest, look to Labour to see how you set up a system that benefits the rich.

  97. theotherone 9 Apr 2010, 11:26am

    and one more thing Abi:

    a wholesale rise in Taxation is inevitable in one form or another after the Election due to Labour’s complete and utter mismanagement of the Economy. Even at the height of the Depression (no not a recession, a depression with 8 million Economically Inactive not at it’s height but when it was tailing off) they borrowed a fortune and spent it on a scheme that benefited their Banker friends and did nothing to help the Economy. Just like a personal debt this needs paid off or we loose our Credit Rating as a country.

  98. Actually non of the main parties have ruled out a VAT rise until yesterday when both the Lib Dems and the Tories said they wouldn’t put up VAT. Still not ruled out granted but please stop badgering one party when All have said the same.

    DavidW:-

    Yes I do think the Tories would do a better job of fixing the economy, lets face it they couldn’t do any worse. There is So much waste from Labour that I do believe George Osborne/Ken Clarke would do a much better job. Don’t get me wrong the best person I think would be Vince Cable which would be the ONLY good reason for a hung parliament, however thats unlikely he’ll get there so, I do plump for a Tory government to sort this disasterous mess out.

  99. theotherone 9 Apr 2010, 11:34am

    Squidgy: it would appear that the German Chancellor would agree with you on this one if we’re to believe todays papers.

  100. The CONservatives have past form on 2.5% VAT rises. Its their tax rise of choice. If they are not going to put it up then Dave should come out of his tax rise closest and say so. Efficiency saving wont fund his spending commitments and reduce the deficit thats no lie its a fact Dave and Osbourn must address.

    Osbourne has even been on TV saying our sales tax (VAT) is much lower than the European average. When he was pressed on if a CONservative government would bring in a VAT rise he did not refute that claim.

    I believe it was in a NewsNight interview with Paxman.

  101. Mihangel you say “we know we’re not in danger of the camps not least because so many of us are out even in nice tory families” but I don’t think you have any reason to dismiss Dave’s fear when it is warranted by the groundswell of homophobia which is to be seen this very moment on dozens of UK websites and which has been unearthed by various well-conducted polls, not least the Observer poll which found that 25% of the British population believe that homosexuality should be made a punishable offence! Just think about that finding a bit! 25% of the British population believe that homosexuality should be made a punishable offence . . . and the rest of the population, what do they think? They range from people like you and me who think we should be treated with total equality, dignity and respect, through to those who think we should be tolerated but as second-class citizens.

    I know it’s an awful reality to have to hold in front of one’s eyes but the fact is that despite all the efforts of this very fine Labour government to make homophobia illegal, the homophobia is still there, as large as life but hidden and the vast numbers of homophobes in this country are itching to have people like the Wilkinsons exonerated for refusing to serve gay people.

    If the Tories get in, then my partner and I are selling up and quitting the UK for New Zealand. Until the election however we are fighting with everything we have got. We only hope the rest of you are as well . . . and that means doing one hell of a lot more than just muttering amongst each other on PinkNews!

    Are you going to be down there on Sunday embarrassing Cameron, forcing him to choose between us and them or not?

  102. theotherone 9 Apr 2010, 11:48am

    jonty: under Labour we have had the worst Depression since the infamous Stock Market Crash of the 30s, we’ve had the rise of the Far Right thanks to Labour effectively deserting it’s core voters and using Immigration policy as a party political tool. We’ve also seen a rise in Homophobia. Do you think these may be linked? I sure as hell do.

    Abi: again I point out that Tax will defiantly have to go up under any Government thanks to the way Labour have hamstrung the Economy. If there’s a Tory Government and a rise in VAT (and you’ve still not proven that this IS policy as you stated earlier) then blame Labour for it.

  103. “Observer poll which found that 25% of the British population”

    Actually is that not 25% of the people the Observer asked? Not indeed the British population, coz I doubt many here were asked. In future instead of putting 25% of the British population said,Which is just plain incorrect, shouldn’t you not be putting 25% of X amount of people the Observer asked said…

    How many people were asked? 200? 2000? thats hardly 61 million is it?

    Let’s face it a paper will find the poll pecentages it wants. It doesn’t mean it actually speaks for the whole country.

  104. Whilst I back this demo on Sunday I do hope those who want to go Just to throw abuse and insults remember that we’re fighting for rights for all LGBT.

    Not to show how nasty we are with the result being ‘why bother’ from the Tories!

  105. Mihangel apYrs 9 Apr 2010, 1:18pm

    Jonty
    what I was saying is that there would not be a major rollback of laws, but that society could turn nastier, especially in some places. But it is true that the middle-classes, even the blue ones ARE more supportive of gay (etc) rights, and that more middle-class parents are supportive of their gay offspring.

    I just hope it will be enough to maintain standards of civility in the country

  106. Grsyling’s a cnut

  107. Polls conducted by the Observer paper are extremely well-conducted. I wouldn’t presume to demean their findings, no matter how unpalatable those findings were.

    The Observer sampled the UK population widely and found that 25% of those questioned, who were representative of the population in general, thought that homosexuality should be criminalised. It was a poll conducted anonymously so that those who gave their responses said what they really thought.

    There is every reason to believe that that figure has not diminished. Quite the opposite perhaps.

    Unpalatable facts are always truths.

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