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  1. Do you hear that? It’s the winds of change…. And not a moment too soon!

  2. Cameraon will give tax credits to gay couples, cameron has pushed for the u.s to stop the don’t ask don’t tell policy. Cameron is against any discrimination against gays. Cameron is a modern leader and these smears against him are lies. What gaffe by cameron he has no control over how european mep’s vote and yet people blame him for that. What has the great gordon brown done for gays. Gays have been brutalized in iraq after labour went to war there. What has labour done. I hate the cameron bashing with every fiber in my body because he is a modern leader who is good on green issues and this labour govt is spent and does nothing on civil rights. Enough already with the lies. This attempt to make david cameron some nasty figure is giving me a heart attack. Stop with the lies against cameron.

  3. Have you checked out the tory candidates they are modern and very pro gay rights across the board.

  4. If i wasn’t an Atheist i’d say “thank the lord” Finally the message is getting through. The Law and Justice racist homophobia Tory party is being seen for what it is and always has been.

  5. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 12:55am

    A vote for LibDems is a vote less for Tories.

    Then, we’d be looking at a minority Labour Government supported by LibDems.

    M-m…Canada should be so lucky.

  6. Niall - London 5 Apr 2010, 12:56am

    I am delighted at the poll result. I am concerned at some aspects of Pink News reportage. The following quote from your leader article states

    “A spokesperson for PinkNews.co.uk said: “while gay rights is not the most important issue when it comes to why LGBT voters support a particular political party, just one difficult interview has it appears seen a significant drop in the support that the Conservative party and Mr Cameron in particular has enjoyed within the gay community.”

    It cannot be said that just one interview alone can provoke such a change and singling this out is disingenuous. In parallel, there are other policies put forward by the Lib Dems for example to full marriage instead of ‘just’ civil partnerships. Additionally, the Tories assume we are just concerned with getting hitched and being prosperous, and ‘able’t to take a bit of sidelining.

  7. To portray David Cameron as some nasty figure is the biggest smear I have ever seen. He is very tolerant and huge believer in gay rights causes and will be introducing laws like tax credits to gay couples which labour is against. Cameron spoke up against the discrimination of gays in the military in the u.s Cameron is as good on gay issues as you can possibly be. Why are you smearing a good man. Stop the lies. Stop the lies against cameron. Fight the election fair and square.

  8. Take a lot at the hundreds of new tory candidates. They are diverse, socailly liberal. To portray the tories as some nasty party back in the 80′s is a lie. This election is one lie after another against the tories.

  9. jason, you’ve been going to too many tory conferences. and i think you might fancy cameron. the majority of tory party memebers hate gay people – do a poll at the next conference and then you’ll find the truth. get over it. wake up. and stop trying to make gay people who have been criminalised since the begining of politics by a group of bigoted conservatives think any different. the BNP has changed a lot in the last few years – it doesn’t mean i would vote for them.

  10. Jason pet…do try waking up before you say anything else as silly as your two posts on this thread. Have you been out of the country for the last few months perhaps. The homophobic Tories have really let themselves be seen for what they really stand for.
    People will laugh at you if you persist with this delusion you seem to have about the goodness of Callmedave the salesman. Really….im only thinking of your sanity pet…….

  11. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 1:07am

    “Many gay people fear that if the Conservatives win the general election they might amend equality legislation to allow some forms of homophobic discrimination and permit further opt-outs by religious organisations and individuals.”

    -Peter Tatchell

  12. I think anyone with half a brain will have realised by now that the tories are not our friends and never will be no matter what they say in public.
    I for one wont be taken in by half promises and false platitudes.

  13. @ Jason

    Cameron voted against gay adoption, didn’t bother to turn up for the first vote on the civil partnership bill, was absent again for the vote to repeal ‘section 28′, and voted against equality in IVF treatment. AND he’s affiliated his party with right-wing, homophoic groups in Europe.

    If this sounds like the type of person you want to lead the country, more fool you.

  14. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 1:23am

    Remember: David Cameron ‘On Camera’ and David Cameron ‘Off Camera’!

  15. If Cameron wins and gets to be PM there will be a lot of people eating crow when he turns out to be the most friendly gay PM ever.

  16. These same old tories remarks are out of date. You are talking about thatcher from the 80′s. Osborne is very socially liberal. Cameron demanded new candidate selection process that they be socially liberal and tolerant. The new candidates are very diverse and open minded. Wait till you see the tories after the election they are no more an old white man’s party. Number of females will have gone up 400 percent after this election and number of minorities up ten times. This is a lie the same old toreis. There is no better friend for gay rights than david cameron.

  17. Real world 5 Apr 2010, 1:51am

    How can it be the most popular gay website when it doesn’t even register on Google. Web bots monitor and register the amount of traffic that goes to websites and this doesn’t register. Check for yourselves. You have 10 people posting and some posting in more than one name.

    Gay people do not all live in the same Borough and therefore they do not vote as a single entity. The posting on here is just for fun it doesn’t mean anything in the real world.

  18. 20 tory gay mp’s for the next parliament more than any other party. Real nasty party. Tory Shadow justice secretary was asked about this case of refusing gay couples last week and he said we will not discriminate agaisnt gays. Independent reported he said this. Cameron veteod the selection of adrian watson a UUP candidate who made comments about not housing gay couples and Tory party said he was from another era.

  19. jason, give it up. We don’t need you spamming the board with Tory propaganda.

    The Tories are, always were and always will be, the nasty party. Cameron included.

    Let’s remember, Cameron voted to keep Section 28 and campaigned in 2001 to stop “Blair’s homosexual agenda” creeping into schools.

  20. Thank gods people are waking up to the bigotry of the Tory party! Don’t believe their lies when their record speaks for itself.

    The Tories are the party of homophobia. Nothing has changed

    for the blind Tory supporters – what about the record? Just check the voting record http://www.stonewall.org.uk/what_we_do/parliamentary/general_election_2010/default.asp

    No spin, no speeches. Just a simple check to see where they have cast their votes on GBLT issues

    This isn’t lies or propaganda, this is a simple display of the facts.

    Where are the 100% pro-gay voting Tories? Where are the 90%? 80%? How come the VAST majority of the party can’t climb about 36%? Why are there so many stuck under 10% – stuck at ZERO %?

    The record speaks for itself

  21. Euan - London 5 Apr 2010, 6:36am

    Jason, there are too many of us with insight enough to figure out what’s between the lines. If they are that ‘untogether’ on LGBT rights, by simple deduction they would be a disaster in power. I am sure Cameron is an affable, typical West Londoner but he is unable to think strategically. Why for example are his candidates in Brentford sending out pamphlets saying that they will reduce crime and intro stricter immigration control. The invisible links being drawn in this instance are typical of right wing tawdriness. We need new ideas and momentum, not old style brylcream.

  22. To David Cameron had to take the whip in 2001 and he said under his leadership that won’t happen. You are going back a decade when the tory leadership and candidates have completely changed. Praising Blair who is making money off kuwait oil interests in iraq. Blair is a real progressive just like his buddy mandelson and campbell.

  23. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 7:57am

    One or two of my fellow gays need to get real and lower their drug use. Cameron and the Conservatives are homophobes. They will wreck the economy, and wreck lives. They will introduce another Section 28, or similar. A vote for the Conservatives is a vote by a turkey for Christmas.

  24. Labour, repeat Labour have already brought in Amendment 70 which is worse than Section 28. Labour has a Equality minister who’s actually not so Equal. Crime and immigration Do need to be controlled more, even Black, Asians agree with that. I don’t support the Tories but I can’t stand the thought of Labour in for another 5 years selling us down the river and destroying this country. Our rights won’t disappear, they may not imcrease granted but there are more important things to worry about. The Tories Will get in probably on a low majority so it isn’t in there interests to create problems for minority groups. So for the 1st time Ever I will be voting Tory in this General Election.

    Not one of you has the right to take that away from me or anybody else.

    My Decision, My Choice and for me it’s the right one!!

  25. Heterosexual Tory/Conservative Moles come regularly to this website, passing for gay persons trying to influence the gay vote.

  26. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 8:26am

    A majority government??? I’ll believe it when I see it.

  27. Bobbet – LOL, again hilarious as ever.

  28. I think I could go back to happily voting Lib Dem because I think Labour will get booted But I just can’t stand by with the thought/chance Labour may succeed so I Have to vote Tory to do my bit to make sure they get kicked out.

  29. Be very careful ! Heterosexual Tory Spies come regularly to this website, trying to influence the gay vote. They pass for gay persons, trying to influence the gay vote.

  30. LOL, you should think of a career writing comedy. You do it so well.

  31. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 8:56am

    Is a large percentage of the population expected to vote this round?

  32. Looking at the opinion polls, it’s very likely there will be a hung Parliament after the next general election. And, while disparaging a group before the election may prove foolish, it is all too predictable. Perhaps if they had concentrated more on supporting the LGBT community in the past, the Tories would be able to rely more on their support in the future.

  33. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 9:10am

    A hung parliament. I believe you’re on to something.

  34. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 9:12am

    Nothing that these Tory moles can say will make any difference – the cat is out of the bag. We weren’t sure before that they had changed – Cameron voted against Gay rights in 2005 – now we know they’re the same old homophobes. The Tory voting record on Gay rights is atrocious (See Stonewall) – truly shocking if you take the time to look at it. Nobody is going to believe them now. The Labour party have saved this country, and probably the world economy. They don’t need to change like the Tories because they were always for equality and fairness. Cameleon Dave’s colours are no longer effective camouflage. Get back to Tory HQ and prepare for election defeat.

  35. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 9:12am

    Wasting your time Jason, too many people on here selfishly considering the only one aspect of politics they perceived that affect them and happy to gloss over all the others.

    Usually the same people that are too dense to realise that policy on equality issues comes from Europe not local National government.

    Latest polls show that Labour are 10 or 11 points ahead, so an increase. Emphasising how out of touch many are on here with the views of British society in general.

    Many here would have us living in some ghetto, wringing out hands telling each other how persecuted we are. Their us and them mentality only perpetuates inequality.

  36. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 9:20am

    Just be happy I’m not a twin.

  37. This morning’s cartoon in the Independent says it all about the Conservatives ….see link
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/

  38. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 9:46am

    Tory toff Cameron, son of a stockbroker, has less than 10 years experience as an MP – previously he worked in PR/Advertising. He has no ministerial experience. Osbourn has no experience of real economics. Brown is very experienced, as is Darling. The are Batman and Robin as opposed to The Joker and The Riddler. Osbourn’s economic numbers don’t even add up – both Labour and LibDems say so. Do you think Labour would really propose an increase in NI if it wasn’t necessary. Who is really telling the truth. Labour have made this country fair again – we have been feeling equal again – after the Tories made “greed is good” their mantra. The Loads’o’Money culture which pitted everyone against each other. The gap between rich and poor has been narrowed by Labour – under the Tories it will widen again. Vote LibDem if you don’t want to vote for Labour – they have great Gay equality policies. I vote according to my socialist principles – Labour or LibDem will do nicely – anyone but the Tories.

  39. For all the PR spin and efforts to say “we like you really”, the Tory voting record is there in black & white for all too see just how awful their anti-gay voting record is…not just 10 or 20 years ago, but 5, 4, 3 years ago and even right up to the almost present.

    People like Jason can come on here and say things like David Cameron is our best gay friend ever all he likes, but if that were the case then his voting record would reflect a bit of integrity on gay-rights…it doesn’t!

    If Mr Shadow Home Secretary truly wasn’t homophobic and truly stood by gay rights, as he doth protest, then he would not have been caught out saying what he did, because he would never has contemplated saying it in the first place. Only the hypocrites can be caught out in this way.

    I’m no fan of labour either, but I can’t consider voting Tory because, for all labour’s faults, the Tories would be even worse by pandering to the bigotry of so-called christians (who aren’t ‘true’ christians at all, but only the militant ones who shout the loudest). So I will be voting Lib.Dem instead. They’ve always been good about supporting the rights of everyone in this country, not just a sub-group of citizens, and a government needs to be there to support ALL the people, not just some of them, because that’s when society becomes polarised and divided.

  40. Excellent and totally your choice Jonathan. However there are two main errors in your piece. Labour have create more unfairness by greed and the gap between rich and poor is Much wider, also child poverty is at a level worse since WW2.

    Labour, traditionally a party for the workers, have done little for the poorest except make them poorer and the richest richer. The only reason they now decide to look like they are acting is because sudenly there a General Election looming.

    We need change and desperately so.

  41. Just spent a few minutes checking out the voting records of some conservative MPs. (theyworkforyou.com)
    It would appear: nothing has changed!
    Same Very Old Tories.

  42. Note that the loss in Tory confidence has led to an increase for the Lib Dems, not Labour. I don’t think this is just about the gay gaffes. I think Vince Cable’s excellent performance in the chancellor debates has shown people that George Osbourne can’t be trusted with the economy, and Vince can. The Lib Dems want to put £700 in the pocket of the average earner, by closing tax loopholes used by millionaires, and have a formula rather than political expediency to determine the best time to make cuts to reduce the deficit.

    As for Jason’s point – even if Cameron is as LGBT-friendly as he says he is (which I doubt) and even if the new crop of Tory MPs are too (which I also doubt), the Tories will not have a large majority after the next election, which means that Cameron will be held to ransom by the vast array of homophobic backbenchers in his party. That’s why he hasn’t been able to be forthright on equality in his interview with Gay Times, that’s why his party has had free votes and demonstrated a poor record.

  43. Totally agree with you with your Vince Cable comments Dave. He was the only one with a pair who spoke truth more than lies like the other two.

    Think most would want him to be Chancellor, I know I would.

  44. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 10:25am

    Sparky writes:

    for the blind Tory supporters – what about the record? Just check the voting record http://www.stonewall.org.uk/what_we_do/parliamentary/general_election_2010/default.asp

    Well done Sparky, I was just going to mention this one myself.

  45. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 10:25am

    Sister Mary clarence writes:

    Usually the same people that are too dense to realise that policy on equality issues comes from Europe not local National government.

    The ignorance of Sister Mary clarence never ceases to amaze me.

    Policy on equality issues does not “come from Europe”. If local national governments conflict with the European Court of Human Rights then that body intervenes.

    In the UK throughout the 80′s the only progress made with respect to LGBT issues was due to the interventions or threatened interventions of the European Court of Human Rights. But that is not how it is supposed to happen.

    The idea is that the ECHR is only called in if there is a problem. It is not supposed to be called in on every issue as it was in the 80s and up to 97.

  46. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 10:26am

    Squidgy writes:

    Labour, repeat Labour have already brought in Amendment 70 which is worse than Section 28.

    Squidgy, you have no knowledge whatsoever about Amendment 70 or Section 28. That is for sure.

    The only way you could have formed such a bizarre opinion is if you had read the equally ridiculous and ignorant nonsense written in other PinkNews comments by thotherone or a friend of his whose name I cannot remember.

    You need to get out a bit more Squidgy and find out about these things.

  47. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 10:26am

    Jason said “Cameraon will give tax credits to gay couples”. No he won’t. In fact now, it appears now that, having realised how much this will cost, he’s saying only to couples with kids under 3 years old.

    Jason said “no control over how european mep’s vote”. Rubbish. He took them away from the centre-right EPP to the extreme right Polish Law and Justice Party (look them up on wiki). He doens’t like Europe – but Ken Clarke does. We need Europe – we are an extended family.

    Jason said “What has the great gordon brown done for gays”. Repealed Section 28, Equality Bill, Civil Partnerships, reduction in age of consent in line with hetrosexuals, equality in fertility treatment for Lesbians, equality in adoption….

    Jason said “cameron has pushed for the u.s to stop the don’t ask don’t tell”. Rubbish. Obama is doing that – it was part of his election manifesto. Or are you saying that Dave helped him win the U.S. election ???

    Jason said “Gays have been brutalized in iraq after labour went to war there”. Gays are indeep being persecuted in Iraq, by religious militants. How do you work out that this is Gordan’s fault?

    Jason said “[Cameron] is a modern leader who is good on green issues”. Having a windmill on your house isn’t green. To generate serious electricity you need a turbine with a 3m span. The LibDems and Labour have far superiour green credentials and policies on green issues.

    Jason said “This attempt to make david cameron some nasty figure is giving me a heart attack”. Please see http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/ to diagnose your symptoms, or call them. In the case of chest pains don’t hesitate to call the excellent NHS that the Labour party has generously funded.

    Jason, the truth is sometimes unpleasant. These are not lies. Please. Please, prove me wrong.

    Note to Squidgy, “have done little for the poorest except make them poorer and the richest richer.”. Be careful note to quote figures out of context. There are many CEOs and bankers who are richer, and a small minority of people who are poorer, but the largest part in the middle are closer in wealth. Also, this Labour government brought in the minimum wage. The LibDems have a policy to life people out of povety – which I think would be great. We need everyone to be more equal and stop the never-ending persuit of wealth (it divides us) – see Will Hutton’s recent press piece.

  48. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 10:27am

    Like the other Conservative supporting posters jason is so far away from reality that it is actually rather difficult to address anything in his fantasy.

    So instead I will remind him that the Conservative party is going into this election with a deeply conservative social agenda.

    Here are a few examples:

    Using the tax system to reward people who fit into the Conservative morality as we see with their policy on tax breaks for married people. These tax breaks have nothing to do with economic status but rather simply that people are conforming to a Conservative morality.

    The biggest expansion of faith schools since the 19th century as reported in the Daily Mail as well as many other places. The vast majority of these schools will no doubt be Anglican or Catholic and will be teaching a morality on sexuality from those faiths.

    The advancement of far right groups in Europe. The far right within the Conservative party represented by powerful figures such as Daniel Hannan know that within the UK socially progressive movements prevent them from open advancement of far right politics, however they can advance far right parties in the European Union. Their first great success is the Polish Law and Justice party. The “deal” with the Law and Justice party is that the Polish party must airbrush itself sufficiently so that it can join the Conservative parties tiny European parliamentary group. This airbrushing need only be skin deep of course. We know that the Polish Law and Justice party is pursuing monstrous homophobia at present in Poland, but as long as they keep sufficiently quiet about it then the Conservatives will advance their cause in the European Union. It is worth reading this piece in Lib Dem Voice about activities in January of this year.

  49. No need for comedy writers on here while squidgy and jason are posting. We are all laughing guys but it is at your deluded silliness about Callmedaves goodness. did you not SEE the article on C4 news last week.
    Really Jason ….The most gay friendly pm ever….get a grip and as another poster said , reduce you med. intake, then go back and read your posts and have a good laugh. I recommend you dont read squidgys posts though as you will laugh so much you may do yourself an injury poor dear.

  50. LOL, maybe if you read threads to why I have stated I feel I have to vote Tory you’d actually make correct statements instead of doing what all Labour and Labourites do best – make it up as they go along.

  51. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 10:57am

    Squidgy, nobody can deny your right to vote the way you want. We are exchanging facts/myths/lies/half-truths as we see them. We all see something from our own unique point of view. I went on the original Gay rights marches because we were being oppressed by Thatcher and the right-wing Tories. People in power can get away with that, and if the Tories get in, I’m convinced this will lead to an erosion of the freedoms (to be treated as equal) that we have won under Labour. I can’t bear the thought of the Gay community having to go through all that again. It was horrible. Unless they have changed (evidence now shows they haven’t) we can’t risk them getting in to power. They need another 5 years in opposition to “get it”. A hung Labour/LibDem parliment will represent the wishes of the people more than ANY party, with around 60-70% of the UK vote.

  52. How is it that we have 5 ministers who are in the Lords, So unelected? Why do we have 5 peered ministers who are not able to be democratically questioned about their departments. In the past all peers becoming Cabinet ministers have to give up there peerage. Why are these so special? How is it that Lady Mandleson gets sacked not once but twice for being the vile corrupt man he is only to be rewarded for that behaviour with a peerage and now basically runs the country with his sidekick sideshow Gord?

    Labour have failed the British people. I have ALWAYS voted Lib Dem but for the first time I feel so strongly that this vile corrupt government has to go, I am force to vote Tory in the hope they will be booted out. I believe the majority will be low so they will have to fight to keep minorities in good stead.

  53. A hung parliament would be a disaster for the UK.

    This country needs proper leadership. Agreed the three main leaders don’t have ‘a pair’ to rub between then but I’m picking the best of a bad bunch. Slim pickings.

  54. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 11:07am

    I think it is good for people to have a look at this chart from My Gay Vote showing how each of the major parties voted on important LGBT issues.

    Averages:

    Labour 97%
    Lib Dems 96%
    Conservatives 27%

  55. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 11:12am

    Pop along to Lord Ashcroft, who doesn’t pay the proper tax and yet votes on legislation that affects us all. Talk about sleeze. Well, there was Jefery Archer (locked up in prison), there was Jonathan Aikin (locked up in prison), there was Neil Hamilton taking brown envelopes. Are you suggesting Lord Mandleson did something like this? He made an error in judgement. Me thinks you have also now made an error in judgement. David Mellor, John Major and Steven Norris having affairs, and too many others to name, going on to lecture others about morals. Please, shoot me!

  56. Labour always Very convienently forgets about 8 of its own Non-Doms including Lord Paul? Hypocrites much?

  57. “…Lord Mandleson did something like this? He made an error in judgement”

    Twice!!

  58. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 11:20am

    Squidgy, you said “A hung parliament would be a disaster for the UK. This country needs proper leadership.”

    If you look at LibDem and Labour policy they’re not that far apart – despite what ANYONE (especially them) tell you. The LibDems were formed by a group of individuals who used to be in the Labour party, and one or two LibDems have also re-joined the Labour party. Their policies on Gay rights are very similar, as are their economic and social policies.

    Please explain to me why they “cannot” work together? Why can’t people co-operate. Why is dominance and dictactorship the only way. Other countries manage ok with coalitions. You are repeating the lines you have read elsewhere but haven’t thought through. It seems more and more people want a hung parliment. I do.

  59. Please answer questions from my comment (51)

    This country needs leadership. A hung parliament would be unstable because we would have to have another general election very soon after. We need stability in this country to get the UK out of the mess Labour are leaving us in. Yes financially it’ll be tough but it’ll be much harder under anything Labour. They are destroying the UK. We need someone to lift us out.

  60. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 11:27am

    Squidgy, re: “Labour always Very convienently forgets about 8 of its own Non-Doms including Lord Paul? Hypocrites much? ”

    I didn’t do that. I’m talking about voting re Gay rights and other issues. Thank God I’m not in a position of authority or all non-doms in Parliment would be gone instantly, regardless. It’s a shocking state of affairs, but I didn’t approve them, and I don’t approve of them – any of them. Please don’t think that I will be voting Labour authomatically at the next election. I will be voting to keep the tories out – whether that be LibDems or Labour… or frankly, Moster-Raving-Loonies. I am a socialist and believe in fairness and equality for all – the Tories don’t – that is why I won’t be voting Tory. It seems that we two are not as far apart as you suggest. You will vote Tory only because you won’t vote Labour. Why not vote LibDem, or Green?

  61. I have Always voted Lib Dem but this time a vote for Lib Dem or Green would be a vote to keep Labour in. I cannot accept that so have to go with my gut instinct and do everything to help get Labour out.

  62. Jennifer Hynes 5 Apr 2010, 11:36am

    Anybody that thinks the Conservatives are queer friendly needs their heads testing. Just look at Cameron’s front bench teams’ record on queer rights; opposition, opposition, opposition.

    Cameron might not roll back hard won rights, but he won’t be in any rush to support what is on the books at the moment.

    Labour have done a great deal for equality, including for queer people, but it is their desire for control that has turned me off voting for them. That and their track record on animal rights, not to mention their broken promise not to impose student tuition fees and their warmongering.

    If you are concerned about human rights and equality, you will leave the Conservatives well alone, they only care about their own kind; middle and upper class WASPS.

  63. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 11:37am

    Ok, no problem. I tried ! Labour also have cute guys.
    See: http://www.houseoftwits.co.uk/labour.html (see 2nd video down on the right).

    Try finding a cute Tory :-)

  64. Not saying your a Labourite but this thread has played it’s part in my decision.

    It makes me laugh when people go on about Dude Dave C and the fact he doesn’t vote on gay rights. He is homophobic from a homophonic party, blah, blah, blah.

    When it is pointed out that Gordy B has also never voted on gay issues it’s ‘Oh but he’s too busy.”

    Both men have done the same but somehow excuses are made. Now either they are both homophobic or both are too busy.

    I find the more I read here the more Labour and supporters are increasingly Hypocritical. Another reason for my voting choice.

  65. now thats just sad. I ain’t voting for “cute guys”. I’m voting who the best of a bad bunch will run the country.

  66. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 11:40am

    Dave Page writes:

    As for Jason’s point – even if Cameron is as LGBT-friendly as he says he is (which I doubt) and even if the new crop of Tory MPs are too (which I also doubt), the Tories will not have a large majority after the next election, which means that Cameron will be held to ransom by the vast array of homophobic backbenchers in his party. That’s why he hasn’t been able to be forthright on equality in his interview with Gay Times, that’s why his party has had free votes and demonstrated a poor record.

    Yes, this is absolutely a central point. The Conservative party is dominated by the right. We can see this in their voting records.

    Regardless of the size of a Conservative majority the right of the party will dominate policy.

    Squidgy writes:

    I believe the majority will be low so they will have to fight to keep minorities in good stead.

    That is not the case when parties win with small majorities. The largest faction within the party dominates in those cases.

    On parliamentary votes the cabinet is beholden to the largest back-bench faction and the whips office bullies any possible dissenters with the threat that they will be blamed for bringing down the government.

  67. Cameron and Grayling are of one mind. The reason why Cameron has yet to discipline Grayling in public is that Cameron KNOWS that if he comes out in support of us disgusting vile and filthy queers he will lose the support of that huge part of the British electorate which, below the surface, is seething with hatred of us. Don’t believe it? Go read forums OTHER than Pink News. The bigotry and hostility being expressed out there in cyberspace by thousands of members of the British public is HORRIFYING.

    And yet there are gays and lesbians prepared to give their vote to these cunning Tory public-school boys.

    I’ve worked with Tory public-school boys. Their conviction that they are superior to us queers is deeply, DEEPLY, dyed into their very BONES! It is an utter conviction that no amount of “Oh, right, OK, so you’re gay then, Eddy! That’s fine, mate! That’s not a problem! Each to his own! We can’t all be straight” (snigger, snigger) can hide, mask, or eradicate.

    Readers may be interested to read Cameron’s ACTUAL and INDISPUTABLE track record.

    A timeline of David Cameron’s gay rights hokey-cokey

    1999 Shaun Woodward, a Conservative frontbencher, is sacked by William Hague for refusing to back the party’s stance that Section 28 should not be repealed. The controversial legislation banned local authorities from promoting homosexuality in schools. Mr Woodward quits the party, leaving the safe Tory seat of Witney available.

    2000 David Cameron is chosen as the Tory candidate for Witney and on the campaign trail he attacks both Mr Woodward, in a letter to The Telegraph, and Tony Blair for their pro-gay rights approaches.

    He told the local paper: “The Blair government continues to be obsessed with their fringe agenda, including deeply unpopular moves like repealing Section 28 and allowing the promotion of homosexuality in schools. . . Blair has moved heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in schools”.

    2003 Once he is elected MP, Mr Cameron votes against the Labour Government’s repeal of Section 28 in the House of Commons.

    2005 By the autumn of 2005, Mr Cameron is elected party leader and he tells the BBC that he is pleased that Section 28 has been abolished.

    “At the end of the day, one section of our community did feel discriminated against by Section 28, and so I’m glad on that basis that it’s gone,” he says.

    2008 He then puts his credentials as a modernising politician on hold by voting against a law making it easier for lesbian couples to receive IVF treatment. He sides with the right of his party saying that the issue goes to the heart of his message that Britain’s society is broken.

    2009 Mr Cameron appears at a gay pride event and apologises for the Tory record on Section 28. “Yes, we may have sometimes been slow and, yes, we may have made mistakes, including Section 28, but the change has happened,” he says.

    2009 Two months later, Tory MEPs refuse to back a cross-party European Parliament vote to condemn a homophobic law passed in Lithuania

    2010 In an interview with gay magazine Attitude, he criticises the Church of England over its attitudes to homosexuality, calling for it to accept equal rights for gays.

    From the Times.

    http://timesnews.typepad.com/news/2010/03/cameron-gay-interview.html

    Do NOT vote Tory.

    Do NOT let the pendulum swing backwards.

  68. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 11:44am

    Squidgy, you are wrong. See: http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpid=1997&dmp=826

    Commons 19 Mar 2007 Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations
    Commons 20 May 2008 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill

    It is disappointing, but he is the PM and that is an acceptable excuse to me. As regards voting – Tories record = sh*te.

    If the video doesn’t convince you to change your mind, check out:
    http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites/G/gayometer/gayometer.html
    to make sure you are actually Gay ! I’m a “happy and well-adjusted homo guy.”

  69. The more you tell Brits not to do something the more likely they will turn round stick a finger up and do it anyway!

  70. “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”, written by George Santayana in his Reason in Common Sense, The Life of Reason, Vol.1.

    This famous statement has produced many paraphrases and variants:…

    Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.

    Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.

    Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.

    USE YOUR VOTE WISELY….

  71. More people would have voted in this poll had we not been forced to given personal information.

  72. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 12:00pm

    ‘Policy on equality issues does not “come from Europe”. If local national governments conflict with the European Court of Human Rights then that body intervenes.’

    Er Patrick (James), where you you think the ECHR is mate, Isle of Wight? Cornwall?

    (In simple terms) Policy is centrally governed by Europe, if National governments do not enact those laws they face challenge and ultimately the European Court will rule against any government not complying.

    You may remember this was the case in relation to gays in the military (which I believe Chancellor Brown is now heralding as some benevolent change bought in by Labour), airbrushing over the fact that they fought against it when challenged in the European Court of Human Rights.

    Coming soon no doubt will be the governments reliance on the 1958 Migration Act to deport those feeling persecution in their own country for being gay, rather than the European Convention on Human Rights, which would afford them protection.

  73. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 12:02pm

    Squidgy, have fun with your finger. You are entitled to your opinion – we all are. If the Tory party do get in, and they start removing your rights and taking us back to the 1950s, and you start to feel frightened of being sacked at work for being gay, or discriminated against by B&Bs/shops, or being arrested for showing affection in public, and you are being told that you can’t marry, you can’t adopt, you can’t have insurance at the same rate as others, that your partner can’t inherit your stuff, that you will never be allowed to donate blood or your organs, that you are a 2nd-class citizen, please remember that you helped them do this to us all. I’d find it hard, myself, to be Christian and Gay – I’d find it impossible to be Gay and vote Tory. I’m a turkey – please don’t tell me to vote for Christmas.

    No pressure !

  74. At least in my threads I have only placed my own opinion. I have Never demanded people must or must not vote a certain way. The way we vote is our OWN personal choice. I do Not do with being told I must Not vote for someone. It goes against the grain of democracy.

  75. Yeah emotional blackmail’s never worked on me either, Jonathan!

  76. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 12:10pm

    Sister Mary clarence. Good people in the Gay community have fought hard (Stonewall, etc) for Gay rights. It wasn’t all, given up by Labour – it had to be won in battle. To their credit Labour have supported Gay rights. They might have been a bit slow at times, and needed a cattle prod occasionally, but compare this with the Tories. The Tories have no intention of granting any further rights, and will start to dismantle our hard-won rights if they get in. They are truly the ‘nasty’ party. A vain of pure evil runs through them. They are homophobes and I’d vote for nice people. The EU is there is harmonise policy across the EU on legal matters. Countries which are a little slow to implement, for whatever reason, are gently steered towards ‘proper’ policy. Thank God for the EU.

  77. #16 Real World…..dont know what you googled but it certainly wasn’t Pink News, because when i googled Pink News just now i got 64,800,000 results…………Hardly not registering….. was your intention to somehow make little of the polls… you just made yourself look silly and NOT of the real world. You too are backing a loser, the Homophobic tories.

  78. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 12:17pm

    Squidgy, I’m looking at your posts, the manner in which you write, the tone, the style, etc., and I’m getting the idea that you might be about 30 ish. If you were 30ish you wouldn’t know what it was like under the last Tory govenment.

    Imagine you were a vegetarian now. You could go in to the supermarket and pick up so many things things that were suitable to eat. But 20 years ago animal fats were used extensively – very few biscuits didn’t have animal fat – so being a vegetarian was really difficult. I wonder if you are 30ish and a vegetarian and don’t know how difficult it was to be Gay under a Tory government, or how difficult it was to try to become a vegatarian 20 years ago.

    Am I wrong?

  79. #73 “at least in my threads i have only placed my own opinion” Are you serious ,squidgy…your own opinion…i have seen nothing from you ‘cept abuse of posters you deem to be anti tory. Being anti Homophobic Tory is a noble calling if i know anything atall.

  80. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 12:24pm

    Jonathon, the Labour Party have done what they have had to do to win votes, and they have been very good at it under Tony Blair.

    Unless the Tories take us out of Europe there wouldn’t be much room for ‘dismantling’ our rights. Although saying that wherever there has been any wiggle room, Labour have done their best to erode human rights and civil liberties.

    Of course the opposition party has voted again government proposals (usually tabling their own alternatives). It they always voted with the government, they wouldn’t be the ‘opposition’ party. I am sure we will see Labour opposing all sorts of things when they lose the election.

    I clearly remember Labour telling us they would re-nationalise and that PFI was the worst thing in the world in opposition, but Jesus they certainly bought into both of them when elected.

    The Conservatives know where the votes are, and the British public has bought into an equal and fair society on the whole, and any party that goes against that now would be doomed.

  81. Yes you are. Make it 40ish.

  82. LOL more hilarious comedy from Patrick!

  83. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 12:31pm

    Sister Mary clarence, did IQs just drop suddenly.

    You said: “Labour have done their best to erode human rights and civil liberties.”

    #46:
    Jason said “What has the great gordon brown done for gays”. Repealed Section 28, Equality Bill, Civil Partnerships, reduction in age of consent in line with hetrosexuals, equality in fertility treatment for Lesbians, equality in adoption….

    I’m sorry, Labour did what ??? I see, so those bills were really …. what… taking away our rights?? Gosh I’m really confused now; I’d better go and watch a repeat of Rainbow.

    You may clarify if you would like. (Sorry to be a bitch)

  84. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 12:42pm

    To Squidgy and Sister Mary clarence. To get back to the point.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/04/grayling-cameron-gay-party

    Chris Graylings comments were deeply offensive. He should be removed from the front bench. This is the man who might be Home Secretary, in charge of enforcing/determining Equality. Cameron should back him or sack him now. Good job I’m not in a position of authority or he’d have been sacked about 3.5 seconds after he made the comments.

    Do you, Squidgy and Sister Mary clarence believe he was wrong. Do you believe he should be removed, or sacked. Simply yes or no.

  85. woohoo the truth will set you free the Tories are still nasty and cameron is spineless I think grayling is an ignorant pig but at least he’s true to his convictions. cameron just spews crap he dosent believe what kind a man does that?

  86. I seem to be repeating myself. If you had read threads properly Jonathan you wouldn’t need to ask. No what he said was wrong. However apparently what he said was After a speech he made, not during, and it was a private comment to someone that the Observer happened to pick up on on tape (it’s how the TV channels were reporting it Patrick, Sky, BBC Ch4 – The last 2 being government run). He also said he knew if wasn’t party policy but His own opinion.

    So with that in mind personally, yes he said the wrong thing, i don’t agree with it but it was a personal opinion and one in which we are All free to express. Will it be our personal thoughts in the firing line next?

  87. I have to say Jonathan/dean if you’d read the 2nd story “Top Tory backs right of….” you’d see that I have been completely honest from the start on comment (10). So you attempt at trying to show me up by getting me to tell the truth…. makes you look silly being that if you had read things you’d have seen that I have been honest from the start.

  88. I do also remember Sister Mary.. also saying his comments were wrong and he should be removed if I remember rightly (sorry if not). You really should read threads before you sound off.

    If you read threads instead of just seeing the words that stand out and putting them together maybe you’d look better.

  89. Simon Murphy 5 Apr 2010, 2:17pm

    1. The Tories are in an alliance in Europe with the far-right, homophobic Law and Justice Party.
    2. Under a Tory government the Home Secretary would support the right of commercial businesses to discriminate against gay people.
    3. Under a Tory government Iain Duncan Smith would be in charge of families. He wants to reduce the rights of non-biological gay parents.
    4. The Tories in Europe are vile homophobes. And David Cameron has admitted he does not control them.
    5. The Tories record on voting for gay issues is utterly abysmal.
    6. The Tories want to massively increase spending on ‘faith schools’.
    7. The Tories support the religious exemption from equality laws (have a look at number 6 again)
    8. The Tories are opposed to legal equality for gay relationships.

    The Tories are a homophobic party despite their spin pretending they are not the reactionary bigots they have always been.

  90. sqidgy said “However apparently what he said was After a speech he made, not during, and it was a private comment to someone that the Observer happened to pick up on on tape (it’s how the TV channels were reporting it Patrick, Sky, BBC Ch4 – The last 2 being government run). He also said he knew if wasn’t party policy but His own opinion”.

    look up integrity

  91. Look up Democracy.
    Look up Freedom Of Speech

  92. In the run up to the popularity contest that is a General Election, it would be foolish for a prospective government to alienate themselves from the “pink vote” (or any other minority vote). Right?

    Perhaps the Tories will actually fail to have anything in common with a Trojan Horse, other than the letter “T”?? If the Tories are elected, let’s hope that these “new Tory” policies on gay equality are not merely empty words in a bid to attract extra votes (?).

    Unfortunately, recent media reports show that the “old Tories” still lurk in the background. Therefore, clutching onto the “historical wrongs of the Tories” is not necessary: a leopard never changes their spots. … See more

    Actions speak louder than words: I urge you to reflect and reconsider your vote with the Trojan Party…

  93. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 2:30pm

    Jonathon, read my comments on the original story – I think what he said was absolutely wrong and he should resign.

    As to eroding rights, take a long hard look at the Prevention of Terrorism Act and the far reaching powers in provides.

    Damien Green was a good example of this, revealing the potential security implications of allowing illegal immigrants to work at the Home Office, only to be arrested under anti-terror legislation and then subjected to illegal searches, after the police misled officers of the House.

    Police stop and search under the anti-terror legislation, also now ruled illegal as it amounts to any and everybody being searched on no other grounds than they are out in a public place.

    Removal of the right to trial by jury, a cornerstone of the British justice system for many many centuries.

    Labour’s Enabling Act, the Regulatory Reform Act that allows ministers to invoke, amend or repeal ANY legislation without reference to parliament therefore circumventing our democratic political system (last used by Adolf Hilter in Nazi Germany to enable the rise of the Third Reich without interference from the German parliament)

    The Coroners and Justice Bill, preventing coroners speaking out against the government at inquests.

    Control orders, tagging, unending surveillance.

    Transfer of confidential personal data on UK citizens to US secret services (a government that has breached its obligations to the Geneva Convention to such an extend that it does not even pretend to comply anymore).

    The list really is endless.

    Look at the ethics of our foreign policy. Torture (washboarding and various other methods outlawed by civilised governments), extortionate rendition, when we are not happy to do the dirty work ourselves, we happily hand over to other governments who will, secret prison ships, extended detention of suspects that even the secret services considered to be excessive.

    I don’t know about Rainbow mate, its more like Hellraiser.

  94. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 2:32pm

    Squidgy, neither you, nor Sister Mary clarence appear to any made any such remarks about Chris Grayling (in this thread). Perhaps you are confused – meds sometimes make people feel a little groggy. Do you mean you’ve been posting all over the place and forgotton what you said and to whom, and probably why?

    I don’t mean to be rude, honestly, I was just doing my part to highlight some important facts. In particular, some ar**holes keep saying that Labour hasn’t done anything for Gay people. It’s such utter rubbish. You posts also lack clarity – they are vague and evasive (I like to be precise). You sould like Cameron is your man – he’s certainly vague and evasive.

    For example, you never did tell me WHY a hung parliment couldn’t work – you just keep saying it won’t and can’t explain why. If you think saying it over and over again will make it true – it won’t. Now, try to nice to me please. Jonathan. xx

  95. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 2:34pm

    No problem Squidgy, you quoted me correctly

  96. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 2:37pm

    Jonathon, I do not pepper spray the comments forums with exactly the same comment again and again. I expressed my view on whether the comments were wrong on the original story.

    For the purposed of those who have come late and are not getting uppety about it I will re-state.

    He shouldn’t have made the comments. He should resign. Someone should explain to him that a B&B us a business and therefore is subject to business laws.

  97. Actually both of us have told were we made the comments and yes I did respond to your question on my views of a hung parliament. You on the other hand did not answer my question on why there are unelected cabinet minister etc.

    Typical, you’ve just shown you are not worthy of debating with. You don’t read threads you make it up as you go along hoping to shown people up but show yourself up in the process.

  98. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 2:39pm

    oops .. should have read, “a B&B IS a business”

  99. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 2:40pm

    Oh Sister… please.

    “As to eroding rights, take a long hard look at the Prevention of Terrorism Act and the far reaching powers in provides. ”

    If that’s it.. please. The Tories were worse by miles. And as for using the Terrorism Act – I completely disagree with that, and so does most of society, and now… the Police have been told to stop doing that. The Police did it, ok. Give the Police a third of an inch and they’ll be miles away before you can stop them. Grayling is going to get VERY VERY tough on EVERYONE – read the press from last night/today. One mistake and they’ll be locking everyone up – ofcourse they will need more prisons. As for Cameron, if you’re on the dole and don’t take a job offered, your benefits will be reduced. So, not really ‘nasty’ party at all.

    Please stop spouting every policy you don’t like and making out like I support it – we agree on many things. Except I like being Gay, you seem to not be so comfortable with who you are.

  100. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 2:48pm

    Squidgy, “Actually both of us have told were we made the comments and yes I did respond to your question on my views of a hung parliament”
    Actually, you didn’t mate. All you said was you’d already said so, and when I looked through all the posts on this thread I couldn’t find it. You must have posted it elsewhere. I’m not posting on half a dozen different threads, I’ve just been posting on this one. I feel like I’m being mobbed by Squidgy and Mary !

    Let’s try to be civil – unless you are really Tories posting from Millbank. I do not agree with your arguments, and mine have fallen on deaf ears. Let’s call off the engagement for now :-)

  101. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 3:06pm

    Jonathon, apparently its not just me that doesn’t like them:

    The Government has used laws designed to clamp down on terrorism, crime and anti-social behaviour to bring about the “wholesale removal” of liberties, a report by the Convention on Modern Liberty.

    “We are now the most spied on country in the developed world”

    Nick Clegg

    “We have lived under one of the most authoritarian ages in living memory”

    Shami Chakrabarti (Liberty)

    Dame Stella Rimington, warned the Government was playing into the hands of extremists by eroding our civil liberties. Dame Stella said: ‘It would be better that the Government recognised that there are risks, rather than frightening people in order to be able to pass laws which restrict civil liberties – precisely one of the objects of terrorism: that we live in fear and under a police state.’

    Since 1997 Labour have created over 4300 offences, by contract the Conservatives created 494 in 8 years.

    And Jonathon, please please talk me through why we needed an Enabling Act, and maybe try to find even one article published anywhere that suggests its good, healthy, or SAFE to have one.

    Its all very well to say the Conservatives would have done the same, but much of were we are today is based on the contents of a fake dossier that advised that we go to war. Personally I believe that had we not gone to war based on a pack of lies, everyone in this country would be walking the streets safer and quite possibly we would not have needed anything like the amount of surveillance and anti-terror legislation we now have.

  102. Yes I have answered it.It’s you who failed to answer questions.

    Don’t bother any more jonathan. You like most Labourites want the questions answered then when they are you say there not. Then convienently ignore any questions put to you. Another example of the ignorant Labour party and why they need to be ousted. You say your not a supporter yet you spew remarkable just like them.

    You can’t debate with someone who isn’t interested in what other people say, it non-productive and quite frankly boring.

  103. Some added help advise for you too…

    Spec-Savers… Go to!!

  104. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 3:12pm

    “One or two of my fellow gays need to get real and lower their drug use”

    “Nothing that these Tory moles can say will make any difference”

    “I feel like I’m being mobbed by Squidgy and Mary”

    Well maybe stop insulting us then Jonathon!!

  105. Look up Democracy.
    Look up Freedom Of Speech
    Report this comment to us

    Comment by Squidgy — April 5, 2010 @ 14:27

    grayling can say what he likes on the record. he chooses not to as his boss would never win the election. so the tories put winning before beleifs. that indicates a lack of integrity.

  106. My answer is in these threads, if you can’t be bother to read in the vain attempt at belittling then you surely are the fool. Others will see even if you don’t. You probably didn’t see it because it started by asking you to answer my question which you failed to do. How convienent for you!

  107. Oh and don’t try the ‘Let’s be civil’ when it’s the last thing you do!

  108. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 3:18pm

    Sorry Jonathon missed this one:

    “As for Cameron, if you’re on the dole and don’t take a job offered, your benefits will be reduced.”

    Good!! The reason we have so many foreign workers coming over here is because there are so many jobs people here will not take because they are beneath them. Why should those of us who are working pay for those who are able to work but choose not to because the right job isn’t available.

    If you can’t work fair enough, but if you can, then you should. Its fairly simple and its how every other country I know works.

  109. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 3:19pm

    Sister Mary,
    Seriously, are you for real? You are awefully well-informed about such matters. I had half-expected to end up discussing fashion tips and the merits of online dating by now, but there are some real serious posters on here. Some, like you, seem to have a very deep understanding of ‘The Enabling Act’, et al., which makes me look entirely stupid and thick – it really goes way over my head. But I agree that, at this dangerous time in history, we have to sacrifice some of our usual take-for-granted liberties to counter terrorism. And, for your info, the war started way before Iraq (know your history).

    Again, you seem to imply that I took the country to war, or agreed with it. I don’t agree with wars – period. Whatever you think of me you’d have to put me in the “conscientious objector” camp. As for Trident, I am utterly opposed to renewal – where do you stand on this (not an accusation, just a question).

    I understand you appear to be angry with me, but I actually agree with you on many of the items, but, I do not trust the conservatives. They are the ‘nasty’ party and I don’t like it when people crave power so they can inflict harm on others. I believe they would inflict harm on the Gay community. let’s fact it – they have a track record in that area. Nobody is going to forget Section 28 – EVER.

  110. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 3:20pm

    Had to laugh at that one Dean:

    “so the tories put winning before beleifs. that indicates a lack of integrity.”

    I think you’ll find that exactly what they all do mate.

  111. dean:-

    sorry but what a stupid comment. Name me one party that doesn’t put ‘winning before beliefs’. They all do no matter how much window dressing you put on it. Get real.

  112. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 3:27pm

    Squidgy,
    “Some added help advise for you too…
    Spec-Savers… Go to!! ”

    You are so rude. It’s not my fault you post all over the place and then expect others to run around seeing what you’ve said.

    I’m sorry for not keeping up. I male ok. My computer multi-tasks – i DON’T. :-) friends ?

  113. David Cameron and his Tories represent bigotry and homophobia. The only way to sympathize with them would be if they got rid of all the homophobic elements in the party, but that’s an impossible thing to happen. Conservatism will never be reformed from within the party. Their basic ellectorate is essentialy homophobic, and they know they can’t allienate them. Any vote to the Tories, is a vote for Homophobia. It will empower the voices of bigotry.

  114. Jonathan mate – your now kinda boring me now!

    If you have problems reading then fine its nothing to be ashamed of but you really should get some help and stop taking it out on others.

  115. Bobbet – Never been one for emotion blackmail, paranoia nor hysteria.

    People have the right to put their point of view across like you and I but what people don’t have the right in is telling people they should Not vote for someone. It is an individuals personal choice.

  116. Both Chris Grailing and David Cameron know that this story, will only attract the homophobic elements in society to their party, and will galvanize their votes. They are trying to attract votes by making pivotal elements of their party regularly express mild forms of homophobic bigotry. Hitler used this same method with the Jews, in a larger scale.

  117. Had to laugh at that one Dean:
    “so the tories put winning before beleifs. that indicates a lack of integrity.”
    I think you’ll find that exactly what they all do mate.
    Report this comment to us

    Comment by Sister Mary clarence — April 5, 2010 @ 15:20

    dean:-
    sorry but what a stupid comment. Name me one party that doesn’t put ‘winning before beliefs’. They all do no matter how much window dressing you put on it. Get real.
    Report this comment to us

    Comment by Squidgy — April 5, 2010 @ 15:21

    so why defend tories?

  118. Eddy:
    Cameron and Grayling are of one mind. The reason why Cameron has yet to discipline Grayling in public is that Cameron KNOWS that if he comes out in support of us disgusting vile and filthy queers he will lose the support of that huge part of the British electorate which, below the surface, is seething with hatred of us. Don’t believe it? Go read forums OTHER than Pink News. The bigotry and hostility being expressed out there in cyberspace by thousands of members of the British public is HORRIFYING. [2]

  119. In this story I haven’t defended the Tories. I have defended Freedom Of Speech. Something that surely is important to all of us. If we stop one person saying his own personal belief do we then have to do it for ourselves.

    Indeed the question could be reversed, Why defend Labour. The thought of Labour in again for another five years doesn’t bare thinking about. I cannot support them. As I have said before I am voting for who I think will sort this countries mess out the best. The best of a bad, bad bunch.

  120. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 3:56pm

    Squidgy, isn’t it time for your afternoon nap? I tried to be nice, but the fact is that your posts berate others constantly. If I can have a discussion and win by pointing out facts that’s ok. With you it’s just yak yak … blah blah blah… I’m not listening. You failed to explain your points when asked. You still have not said WHY a hung parliment won’t work – you just keep saying you’ve already answered. But you haven’t explained at all. You are in love with posting a reply on every stupid point, rather than making a point. If you can’t handle the large issues that’ ok, we can talk about clubbing, boyfriends, or something else. Your arguments, and the authenticy of your reasons for posting here don’t really stack up. You sound like a troll. You are entitled to your opinion, but you look stupid berating everyone else just for the hell of it.

  121. sqigy whoopir.

    if there all the same as you say voting tory should be pointless no?

  122. Well, the answers in this thread for everyone else to see and the question I asked so if you choose to make yourself look stupid then that kinda your problem, not much I can do about it.

    Everyone who can read will see my answer on a Hung Parliament, end of. I really can’t be bothered to copy and paste like a few on here. If you can’t handle it Jonathan don’t start it. It takes adults to debate, maybe you need a more child friend area and leave us to carry on. Again you ain’t making me look silly your just doing it to yourself. I have already said I won’t debate with you because you don’t know how.

    You just have pity, nothing else. Leave the debating to the grown-ups and go play in your sandpit.

  123. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 4:09pm

    Squidgy, leave you to carry on with what? Berating people. You cheekly little g*t. I’m older than you are, so put a sock in it. Your cheek is outstanding. Now run off and play with your friend billy.

    You are a minority of a minority. But don’t worry, we’ll protect your rights. Just leave the voting to the rest of us – we’ve got it covered.

  124. Squidgy, you criticise Labour and blame them for not implementing stricter rules for the financial sector. But they tried. The Tories were exactly the party that put up most of the resistance to regulations. The Tories regularly voted to keep the financial sector free of any regulations or intervention. Simple really, their interest is to keep the big old Etonian schoolboys in power. That’s the way they make their millions.

  125. No dean it isn’t because I need to do my bit to get Labour out like many others.

    In 1997 most people vote Labour in Just purely on the basis of get rid of the Tories. Well now that happening again but in reverse. People are sick of Labour and what they stand for (when you can work it out). Personally I think the Tories will do a better job of stabilising the economy and I have to vote for that. There’ll be another election in 4-5 years time and I will most likely vote Lib Dem again like I have for the past 20 years. In the unlikely event Labour actually becomes electable again who knows I may even vote for them but this time round abso-friggin-lutely no way.

  126. oh and Jonathan your friends? comment – no offense but I kinda like my friends with a little intelligence.

  127. sqidgy this is my sandpit fcuk off you cnut

  128. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 4:22pm

    Squidgy, re: “Everyone who can read will see my answer on a Hung Parliament, end of.”

    As you can’t be bothered, I’ll do it for you:

    52. “A hung parliament would be a disaster for the UK.
    This country needs proper leadership.”

    58. “This country needs leadership. A hung parliament would be unstable because we would have to have another general election very soon after.”

    This is what you posted on this thread. No explination. You are a liar, or a fool. You have not given any reason why a hung parliment wouldn’t work (it works in Scotland, and in other countries), and then go on to state, without any analysis or reason, that we would have to have another election almost immediately after. What the hell for? What difference would another election shortly afterwards make?

    You are an idiot. We aren’t going to agree, so just carry on berating me. You seem to like that role. Perhaps that says more about your reasons for liking the Tories. Or perhaps you are a troll from the Tories, or part of a fundimentalist religious group. I’m finding it hard to take you seriously now – you’ve lost all credibility.

  129. Actually Bobbet it was after the Labour win that Tony ‘I’ll start any war’ Blair and Gordy B removed the legislation which stopped the Banks being greedy. It is their doing that the banking sector suffered near collapse and the millions of taxpayers money now propping them up. It was always in the past that Gold was stored up so that in a recession it could be sold as in recessions gold is usually at its highest price. Gordy B decided to sell our gold reserves leaving nothing to help in a financial crisis. So you see Labour are heavy responsible for the problems and the causes.

  130. LOL – well once you start using swear words thats not only a lack of imagination but clearly you have nothing more to add of any worth. Shame really.

    Just because I’m not coming round to your opinions in views doesn’t make me right or indeed you wrong. I just am strong enough to stand by My beliefs. Nobody I know would have me any other way and if someone says something I change my mind to then I will admit it but as yet no-one has so, there ya go.

  131. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 4:33pm

    Squidgy, re: “Everyone who can read will see my answer on a Hung Parliament, end of.”

    You can’t be bothered, but I can.

    52. “A hung parliament would be a disaster for the UK.
    This country needs proper leadership.”

    58. “This country needs leadership. A hung parliament would be unstable because we would have to have another general election very soon after. We need stability in this country”

    You didn’t answer the question. You didn’t do any analysis or say why it would be unstable, nor explain why we would need another election shortly afterwards. And what, exactly, point would there be to having another electrion almost immediately afterwards?

    Your arguments do lack some clarify and if you want to convert the rest of us to your way of thinking, you’re going to need to do a lot better than that. Our arguments have been a lot more convincing about the benefit to the Gay community of the last 13 years of the Labour government, and we have expressed, reasonably well, our fears about the Conservatives. I’m happy to say that I fear them. As I’ve said before, surely it’s better to have a hung parliment with Labour/LibDems – between them they represent 70+% of the electorate – surely that is more fair than conservatives on 35+%. Now, I’ll promise to respect your views if you respect mine. Deal ?

  132. sqigy wow you got me good if only I was as smart as you. damn

  133. Yes I did that was it, so you see your accusation was wrong. Hung parliaments in any country rarely last. In a recession this country needs stability. I did answer. Mores to the point you still failed to answer the question I put to you before that and asked you again to answer before I answered yours. Hypocrite much Jonathan!!

  134. I have no intentions of converting the rest of you to my way of thinking. You should be adult enough to make up your own minds. My opinion is just that, Mine.

  135. dean – now your just making yourself look stupid. No-one else is.

  136. It’s well documented, the Tories don’t like regulations that would cap the income of their supporters, and go happily along with the liberalisation of financial sectors, and also with the financing of the war.

  137. Maybe this is the problem with Labour being in Sooooo long, you get used to being told what to think, how to think instead of thinking for yourself and doing for yourself. I can never change that which yeah leave me open to abuse on here myself but I’d much rather have my own mind with my own opinions that someone else telling me what to think.

  138. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 4:49pm

    Squidgy, re: ” I did answer. Mores to the point you still failed to answer the question I put to you before that and asked you again to answer before I answered yours. Hypocrite much Jonathan!! ”

    Sorry, I didn’t realise I hadn’t answered your question. What was it? I’m usually good about that sort of thing, so sorry about that.

  139. No one is telling you what to think Squidgy. That’s impossible, and borderline paranoia. In a debate we always have different points of view, arguments and counterarguments.

  140. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 4:57pm

    Squidgy, re: ” I can never change that which yeah leave me open to abuse on here myself but I’d much rather have my own mind with my own opinions that someone else telling me what to think.”

    Hey, don’t sweat it. I am not a Labour, or LibDem supporter as such, I am a socialist. I believe in the socialist agenda (and the Gay agenda – Joking!). Labour and LibDems base their philosophy on socialist idiology, and thus, either (pretty much) is acceptable to me. EDL, BNP is completely out, Greens are … seriously there for Green issues in the main – they don’t really have any possibility of power, nor the policies to match. The Conservatives have an Tory/WIG idiology – free market (crap), etc., which I, and many others, do not agree with. I do not agree with replacing Tridend, I don’t agree with ID cards, I don’t agree with repressive laws (Electoral Reform Act – for Mary) etc., I don’t believe in the wars, I don’t actually believe in capitalism as it is today. I’m probably more Marxist. Anyway, I sense your frustration, so it’s ok to be different – we all know that.

  141. Actually ironically it’s Labour thats reponsible for my strength of mind from when my family used to work for the party in the 80′s.

    Bobbet – erm what? My point is that if people disagree with any Labour views they get hurled abuse. There’s no respect. So yes to damn right I fight back. People don’t seem to like strong minded people. Clearly some kind of threat if it goes against their views. They throw me Tory abuse eevn though Im usually Lib Dem.

    Yes a debate is all about respect, some one here know nothing about that. Being that I have suffered abuse just for a difference of opinion and being bullied I’m damn sure I’m not letting anyone do that again.

  142. squidgy – your mum

  143. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 5:03pm

    Just to be clear re: ” In a debate we always have different points of view, arguments and counterarguments. “.

    I do not post on blogs like this – I have not done so for a very long time, but I wanted to put my point of view (and engage the debate) and it’s been great, really great. Until people test your views and argue with you, and point out all sorts of new stuff to you, you tend to think you know your stuff. But I’ve learnt quite a bit here today so it’s been cool. Disagreeing isn’t wrong, it’s debate. And debate is healthy.

  144. Well my lovely hunk of a man’s home and wants his tea (grrr) so I gotta go keep him happy.

    Always a pleasure.
    X

  145. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 5:09pm

    Squidgy. Thanks for the debate. Love and Peace. Jonathan.

  146. Ok, but if one disagrees with Labour, the Tories, or any other party, somebody, not everybody, will disagree, and some may even throw abuse in good measure. That happens in all kinds of debate, not just political. One thing you all should not do is lose your feathers over this. Just try and keep it civil and cool.

  147. Squishy is really getting desperate now……and as for his posts …well i think its clear to anyone trying to read and decypher them that he spent most of his school days in the local slot machine parlour.
    I have yet, on any thread where i have been unlucky to come across either theotheron or squiffy heard anything intelligent from either of them. There were a couple more but they seem to have been decommissioned by tory central office as they really were the dregs. Mind you these two are getting fairly close to the bottom as we speak, and it may only be a few more hours…………..
    But not to say they are completely moronic….at least we are getting a laugh a minute from them.

  148. patrick. even squidddycom deserves equality one day he’ll know

  149. Man on Waterloo Bridge 5 Apr 2010, 7:00pm

    Cameron doesn’t deserve to be elected , but not because of Grayling.

    If the LGBT community changes it’s support for a political party based on the musings of one man (Grayling) , then clearly gays’ understanding of politics is as shallow as a puddle.

    The Daily Telegraph says that Grayling’s has caused LGBT people to change their minds about voting Tory …really ! What about the EU, immigration, the NHS , the unions, law and order , teen pregnancy and drug issues for starters ? No, the Gay Community would change its vote over a broken finger nail ! No wonder the straight world thinks you are just a bunch of selfish , narcissistic whingers .

  150. Phoenix0879 5 Apr 2010, 7:09pm

    Squigdy: Look up Democracy.
    Look up Freedom Of Speech

    Two things completely anathema to the Tories. Simply, neither Labour or the homophobic Tories are good. I’m voting Lib Dem – they have the only responsible economic policy and are theonly party to fullyback Equal Rights for all. Labour/Tories, there’s no difference. Both have proven they are completely and utterly incapable of running the country, time to give another party a chance.

  151. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 7:11pm

    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2010/04/tory-lead-down-to-4-in-icm-poll.html

    The Conservatives are at 37%, Labour at 33%, Liberals Democrats 21%

    Please note I don’t vote Tory, but keep up-to-date with what the enemy posts on their web site – it’s only fair since there are sometimes trolls here.

    YouGov at 10pm.

  152. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 7:17pm

    To Man on Waterloo Bridge re: “No wonder the straight world thinks you are just a bunch of selfish , narcissistic whingers .”

    If discrimination and persecution exists, like the Tories did before, for me, it won’t matter about immigration, the NHS, the economy, etc. I vote primarily on the party which will allow me to feel like a worthwhile person first, rather than one which criminalises me and treats me as 2nd class. All other priorities are secondary. If you don’t like my theory, tough.

  153. Jack Holroyde 5 Apr 2010, 7:36pm

    ‘Jason’ – what the man says and what the man DOES are two different things. He may pressure the US over DADT – BUT he voted:
    AGAINST gay adoption on 20/05/02 and then was absent for the main vote. Then, AGAINST the repeal of section 28 initially 10/03/2003, then was, again, absent for the main vote. He voted AGAINST IVF for LGBT people on 20/05/2008.
    He has refused to whip any of his MPs on ANY civil rights matters – calling for an open vote. That way, he’s not whipping AGAINST gay rights, but he gets the same result.
    His party voted massively against every piece of LGBT friendly legislation in the last 30 years. It continues to do so.
    Why on EARTH would you want to vote for the Tory party?

    I will accept bias in that I’m an active member of the LibDems, but the facts speak for themselves. Vote Tory=Vote Bigotry

  154. Man on Waterloo Bridge 5 Apr 2010, 8:28pm

    To Jonathan Swift

    People treated you badly , not political parties. I bet more Labour voters are homophobic at heart , despite the political parties attempts at ‘equality’

    I support equality for people and always practised it. But to vote on one narrow issue is selfish and will come back and bite you on the bum because when the Caliphate is installed thanks to all the parties being unable to control immigration , we will all be under the cosh and gays in particular , as you are no doubt are aware is happening in Holland , will be for it ..and I want to stop that. SO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE and don’t vote Labour or Tory. Cameron is not fit to be PM. I will vote UKIP or LibDem I haven’t decided yet

    Women threw themselves under horses to stop being ‘second-class citizens’ and now thanks to ‘feminism’ they are just tax slaves

    Be careful for what you wish for

    On a separate note : I am not gay but this is quite a good website with very interesting articles on it.

  155. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 8:32pm

    Interesting and informative thread.

    I wonder if we will ever see majority governments again.

    Stats are saying the UK will have a hung Parliament: Labour supported by Lib Dems.

    And that’s a good thing, you’ll see.

  156. 1. The Tories are in an alliance in Europe with the far-right, homophobic Law and Justice Party.

    2. Under a Tory government the Home Secretary would support the right of commercial businesses to discriminate against gay people.

    3. Under a Tory government Iain Duncan Smith would be in charge of families. He wants to reduce the rights of non-biological gay parents.

    4. The Tories in Europe are vile homophobes. And David Cameron has admitted he does not control them.

    5. The Tories record on voting for gay issues is utterly abysmal.

    6. The Tories want to massively increase spending on ‘faith schools’.

    7. The Tories support the religious exemption from equality laws (have a look at number 6 again)

    8. The Tories are opposed to legal equality for gay relationships.

    The Tories are a homophobic party despite their spin pretending they are not the reactionary bigots they have always been.

    (respects to original poster.)

  157. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 9:00pm

    To Man on Waterloo Bridge,
    ” I am not gay but… ”
    I know. That’s why you haven’t got a clue how we might feel about the prospect of a Tory government again.

    Your wrong. The Tory government, last time they were in power, did this. They did it to all Gay people. And we must never forget that, and it’s too early to forgive them for it. way too soon.

  158. Sister Mary clarence 5 Apr 2010, 9:35pm

    “You failed to explain your points when asked. You still have not said WHY a hung parliment won’t work – you just keep saying you’ve already answered. But you haven’t explained at all”

    Let me explain Jonathon… coalitions governments rarely survive in any event. However in our case there are very difficult times ahead. The country is plunged into huge debt. We do not have sufficient means to quickly repay that debt. Unemployment is extremely high. Inflation is going to be increasing steadily. Millions reaching retirement will see little or no value for their pension investments.

    There are a multitude of ways to address each of these issues individually, but probably far less to successfully address them as a collective. Difficult decisions will need to be made and hard choices will have to be stuck to. Indecision and changing direction will hamper a recovery. Whoever is elected will need to have the unwaivering support of the entire government. A hung parliament would be a disaster. It would be all too easy for one of the coalition partners to jump ship at a key moment, or to threaten to when they didn’t like one aspect of policy.

    It needs to be a clear result (and I’m sure it will be).

    Not sure where those poll results came from btw – not seen anything that close – the last two major polls show 10 and 11 point leads to the tories

  159. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 10:06pm

    Sister Mary, I agree with some of your analysis, but are you factoring in the parties themselves. I agree that a Tory/Lib coalition would be very difficult, but a Lab/Lib pack might work quite well. And, it would represent 60+% of the electorate. Isn’t that good? And coalitions do work elsewhere. And, although they all say they hate each other, when the actual results are in, those that need to will be nice (initially at least) to each other. Won’t they?

    ICM/Guardian poll, from april 3rd, gives only a 4% lead. YouGov gives 10% (just now).

  160. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 10:19pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_government

    :: Countries which often operate with coalition cabinets include: the Nordic countries, the Benelux countries, Austria, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Turkey, Israel, New Zealand, Kosovo, Pakistan, Kenya, and India. Switzerland has been ruled by a coalition of the four strongest parties in parliament from 1959 to 2008, called the “Magic Formula.”

    Isn’t Scotland a coalition parliment? And there is the Northern Ireland assembly. Also, we all work and have to get along with others. I’ve worked in a number of very large companies and had to work with people in other departments, with different priorities and desires, to achieve a common solution. I was able to manage to get results by working with others. This is like a coalition.

    Surely it can work – it’s just some people don’t like to try new things.

    If they can’t work together – ultimately you bang their heads together until they “get it”. You can do this in all sorts of ways – some, very radical. Ultimately, they work for us.

  161. Jonathan Swift 5 Apr 2010, 10:23pm

    http://www.ukpollingreport.co.uk/

    Useful polls site – worth adding to your bookmarks.

  162. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 10:28pm

    Canada has a coalition government

    …it is lasting forever

    …it is disastrous in many ways.

    It appears that few politicians want to lead because of the media’s facility to scrutinize every breath they take. Politicians have to be secretive at a time when we want transparency.

    Sign of the times.

    It gets worse…the Lib Dems in a coalition Labour government could even support a Tory Bill… oh my.

    So every seat in the House counts, and it takes some fancy maneuvering to avoid general elections every other months.

    Better that than Tory….anytime.

  163. Sister Mary clarence 6 Apr 2010, 1:18am

    Jonathon, the difficult decisions that have to be made would put such a strain on any coalition. I wouldn’t give it a year.

    Politics is a popularity contest and it would be all too easy for the the smaller party in the coalition to try to distance itself from the more stark realities of our situation.

  164. Jean-Paul Bentham 6 Apr 2010, 7:31am

    When you said that political elections are really about personalities, did you mean that the structure is already intact and that it doesn’t really matter who’s running the ship, e.g. no matter what detergent you’re using, they’re all owned by Proctor & Gamble??

  165. No suprises at all; just cos the Tories smile at Gay People does not mean they will be friendly!!!!

  166. People on here behave as if a coaltion government would be a disaster for Britain.

    I would say that the electoral system we have at present is a far greater disaster. The ‘First Past the Post’ system is about the most primitive, backward, unrepresentative system in the world.

    Take the Green Party for example. Over the past 20 years their support has been consistently growing. The consistently poll over 5-10% of the national vote. Which is on a par with their level of support in other European countries.

    Yet Britain is the ONLY country in Europe never to have had an elected Green MP.

    You may dislike the Greens but you cannot pretend that an electoral system which is designed to ensure that only Labour, Tories and LibDems can ever get elected is not a massively flawed system.

    And let’s not even mention those unelected fools in the House of Lords; or the geriatric who is the unelected head of state in Britain.

  167. I have to vote Tory, the labour party in Scotland are in bed with the vile Roman Catholic Church ( the worlds largest peadophile ring), and relay heavily on the RC flock vote to keep them in power in Lanarkshire (harldy democratic if your priest instructs on how to vote, alas freedom of thought is a long way off for these morons) I would cut my finger off before I would vote Labour, regardless of how anti-gay you think the Torys may be, its the only viable choice.

  168. Stuart Neyton 6 Apr 2010, 2:16pm

    “regardless of how anti-gay you think the Torys may be, its the only viable choice.”

    That’s a silly way of looking at politics. You don’t like one party so you’ll vote for one which isn’t quite as bad. The electoral system in this country is toxic. But there are other options. I live in Nottingham, a vote for anyone other than Labour here is wasted. So i’m voting Green to send a message that the status quo should not continue, and will hope for a hung parliament.

    I could list a million other reasons to not vote tory than simply gay rights, but they’re still the same party they ever were and any gay person who votes for them is simply ignoring history (coming from someone too young to remember the last tory government).

  169. Daniel Pitt 6 Apr 2010, 3:16pm

    Good – they have been exposed for the pig-ignorant, intolerant, old-fashioned parochial bigots they are. Good riddance to the bastards, including condescending slimeball Call Me Dave!

  170. Squiffy

    You’re a prolific (better look that word up, dear) poster, at all times of the day. Apart from making tea for your hubby, what do you do? Does work ever come into it?

    Just musing

  171. Ted he also seems to be an insomniac as he seems to post his abusive drivel 24/7/365

  172. Don’t really see where my person details is:-

    a) any relevance to this debate

    b) any of your business.

    Patrick – Hilarious as ever.

  173. Ah – I thought so. A complete waster! Get a job and stop filling these conversations with your drivel.
    Oh, and learn some English, please. For your own sake.

  174. Yet again a response that has no meaning. I’m a time waster am I so I assume that means im not entitled to my opinion. Sorry While I am alive I have that right and will use it the same way you do. Again my personal life has nothing to do with you Or the issues being discussed.

    Typical Labourite to ignore the issues and result to personal badgering. It’s the Very reason We need Labour out. You make your assumptions all you like. I am entitled to my opinion and am goin to express it.

  175. “I am entitled to my opinion and am goin to express it.”

    Of course you are, Squidgy. But you’re not entitled to be allowed to talk utter dribble and be told its great, now are you?

    Your line, “you like most Labourites want the questions answered then when they are you say there not” is a stupid generalisation. Just becuase someone thinks you’re talking horse-manure, that doesn’t make them a Labour Supporter by default. You cry a lot about bullying, but yet you seem to all to easily drop to that level of abuse towards others when it suits you, or when someone has a difference of opinion. People who vote Labour are entitled to do so without a whiny little muppet like you insinuating they are stupid.

    This makes you a hypocrite, and a fool.

    Its my right to say that, isn’t it?

    1. Grow up.
    2. Make a better effort to put some facts behind your statements.
    3. Stop being a histrionic cry baby when someone wants to vote Labour, or doesn’t want to vote Tory – is a democracy – deal with it.

    Is that enough free speech for you?

  176. Jay:-

    Not only hilarious but completely pathetic!

  177. Seriously, If thats the best you can do… LOL

  178. Do you have a learning difficulty, Squidgy? If not, please see point (1) again.

  179. Add (4) Try to at least be funny when being a bitch.

  180. Before you decide whether Labour or LibDems in your local constituency best represent pro-gay values, check how your vote can be most effective and consider voting tactically for those values. Look at the following website, which shows the relative power in your vote in comparison to the UK average. In Northamptonshire we have 3 Tory MPs (for Kettering, Wellingborough and Northampton South) with an appalling gay equality record who can only be beaten by their Labour opponents. None of these seats are safe and 2 are amongst the most marginal in the country. For broad liberal/social democratic and pro-gay values to win the day in Northamptonshire, LibDems need to vote Labour: http://www.voterpower.org.uk

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