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  1. Jean-Paul Bentham 4 Apr 2010, 11:11pm

    David Cameron???

    Is there a David Cameron in the room??

    Easter Egg for Mr. David Cameron!!!

  2. Simon Murphy 5 Apr 2010, 12:15am

    Has Grayling been expelled from the Tory Party yet?

    If not, then it means that the Tories support his bigotry.

    Are the Tories disgusting homophobic bigots?

    It would appear that the answer is a resounding YES!

    The Tories hate gay people.

  3. B&B owners and et cetera should have the right to turn away gay couples ONLY if they have the right to also turn away blacks, Jews, disabled people and et cetera.

    Why doesn’t Chris Grayling defend, for example, the right of racist B&B owners to turn away black people? Why the double standards?

    It’s infuriating!

  4. BrazilBoysBlog 5 Apr 2010, 2:28am

    Well said Peter. Nicely summed-up I thought.

    How can you possibly defend discrimination in any form?

    I have the right to refuse entry to ANYONE in my own home, but not if I am using my home to run a business, simple, end-of…

    It is just wrong… Imagine paying a deposit, traveling miles and miles, only to be refused the service you booked once you arrive, simply because the owner of the business thinks you are gay? Then you have to mess about trying to find alternative facilities when you thought you had ALREADY done so, and had made a contract for those services with the owner of the business. It is not right, it is just plainly wrong.

    Sorry, but no-one, in their right mind, in this day and age could possibly think it is okay to discriminate… (and more incredibly, ask us to elect them as the next Home Secretary of the UK!)

    Anyone else see something very wrong with that picture?

  5. Very true

    It’s bad enough that Grayling supports “straights only” businesses, effectively gutting the anti-discrimination law, but the echoing silence from the Tory party shows that they either agree with him or don’t care.

    Which shows how much faith we can have in them. The Tories – still the party of homophobia

  6. philip anderson 5 Apr 2010, 4:54am

    As a young gay man i think this is not about a B&B it is just most people hate gays. I was in a bar after work today with my partner and some people were talking about this story, most people were being homophobic. Next thing people were saying nasty things to me and my partner.Then the landlord asked us to leave as he did not like queers upseting his customers!! We did not do anythink wrong all we wanted was a drink after work!! I still feel so sad and upsett about this why do people have to hate so much???

  7. philip anderson 5 Apr 2010, 5:14am

    As a young gay man i think this is not about a B&B it is just most people still hate gays. I was in a bar after work to day with my partner and some people were talking about this story,most people were being homophobic. Next thing people were saying nasty things to me and my partner. Then the Landlord asked us to leave as he did not like queers upsetting his customers. We did not do anythink wrong. All we wanted was a drink after work! I am still so upsett about this why do people have to hate so much???

  8. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 9:08am

    A child is not born homophobic….

    you can take it from there.

  9. The Police asks people to continue reporting homophobic incidents to them. If you’re being the target of homophobic attacks, report them to the police, as soon as you can.

  10. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 10:38am

    To my knowledge no statement yet from David Cameron. It is 10:38 am.

  11. Cameron and Grayling are of one mind. The reason why Cameron has yet to discipline Grayling in public is that Cameron KNOWS that if he comes out in support of us disgusting vile and filthy queers he will lose the support of that huge part of the British electorate which, below the surface, is seething with hatred of us. Don’t believe it? Go read forums OTHER than Pink News. The bigotry and hostility being expressed out there in the cyberspace by thousands of members of the British public is HORRIFYING.

    And yet there are gays and lesbians prepared to give their vote to these cunning Tory public-school boys.

    I’ve worked with Tory public-school boys. Their conviction that they are superior to us queers is deeply, DEEPLY, dyed into their very BONES! It is an utter conviction that no amount of “Oh, right, OK, so you’re gay then, Eddy! That’s fine, mate! That’s not a problem! Each to his own! We can’t all be straight” can hide, mask, or eradicate.

    Readers may be interested to read Cameron’s ACTUAL track record.
    A timeline of David Cameron’s gay rights hokey-cokey

    1999 Shaun Woodward, a Conservative frontbencher, is sacked by William Hague for refusing to back the party’s stance that Section 28 should not be repealed. The controversial legislation banned local authorities from promoting homosexuality in schools. Mr Woodward quits the party, leaving the safe Tory seat of Witney available.

    2000 David Cameron is chosen as the Tory candidate for Witney and on the campaign trail he attacks both Mr Woodward, in a letter to The Telegraph, and Tony Blair for their pro-gay rights approaches.

    He told the local paper: “The Blair government continues to be obsessed with their fringe agenda, including deeply unpopular moves like repealing Section 28 and allowing the promotion of homosexuality in schools. . . Blair has moved heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in schools”.

    2003 Once he is elected MP, Mr Cameron votes against the Labour Government’s repeal of Section 28 in the House of Commons.

    2005 By the autumn of 2005, Mr Cameron is elected party leader and he tells the BBC that he is pleased that Section 28 has been abolished.

    “At the end of the day, one section of our community did feel discriminated against by Section 28, and so I’m glad on that basis that it’s gone,” he says.

    2008 He then puts his credentials as a modernising politician on hold by voting against a law making it easier for lesbian couples to receive IVF treatment. He sides with the right of his party saying that the issue goes to the heart of his message that Britain’s society is broken.

    2009 Mr Cameron appears at a gay pride event and apologises for the Tory record on Section 28. “Yes, we may have sometimes been slow and, yes, we may have made mistakes, including Section 28, but the change has happened,” he says.

    2009 Two months later, Tory MEPs refuse to back a cross-party European Parliament vote to condemn a homophobic law passed in Lithuania

    2010 In an interview with gay magazine Attitude, he criticises the Church of England over its attitudes to homosexuality, calling for it to accept equal rights for gays.

    From the Times.

    http://timesnews.typepad.com/news/2010/03/cameron-gay-interview.html

  12. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 12:24pm

    Chris Grayling seems to be remaining as the shadow home secretary despite the views he expressed that he felt B&B’s should be allowed to discriminate against LGBT people.

    As a gay man I find this to be reprehensible, but I am intrigued by Conservative blogger Iain Dale who is a gay man as well, I believe.

    The Guardian blog has reported Iain Dale has said in his blog: “Do I believe that his [Grayling] views, as expressed, will be damaging. Yes I do.”

    So this is the first time that I have seen a high profile LGBT Conservative “acting up” in this way.

    It has been horrendous to watch various LGBT Conservatives act as apologists for the Conservative party’s activities in the European parliament.

    Now one of them, Iain Dale, is wanting action against Grayling.

    I think Iain Dale might be disappointed.

    I have long believed that David Cameron has been conning those LGBT Conservatives. He tells them he is liberal and on their side, but he never seems to actual deliver.

    The right of the Conservative party is far more important to David Cameron than Iain Dale & Co. and the Conservative right will want to keep Grayling.

    The LGBT Conservatives have been utterly dutiful to Dave while his party sh*ts on the rights of LGBT people in Eastern Europe. Will Dave pay them back by ditching Grayling?

    Let’s see…

  13. Mumbo Jumbo 5 Apr 2010, 1:42pm

    Comment #6 by Philip Anderson

    You do not have to put up with this. From your account it is possible that several offences may have been committed.

    You should consider reporting the incident to the police and your local council (the department dealing with licencing).

  14. Would be interesting if a christian couple were turned away from a B&B late evening after making a confirmed booking, because the owners don’t like christians.

  15. Patrick James 5 Apr 2010, 4:36pm

    People here might be interested to know a petition has been set up to Tell David Cameron to Sack Chris Grayling.

  16. John(Derbyshire) 5 Apr 2010, 5:39pm

    This news story will again be discussed on news and current affairs programmes as though its a legitimate subject for discussion with the two sides presented and various politicians etc arguing for and against. BUT-like the “Do you agree with the death penalty for gays” BBC poll-its plainly NOT a legitimate topic to present reasoned arguments on either side. Yet again-it is a STICK they can all beat us with.

  17. Being gay can not be compared to being Black. Ones sexuality is private unless divulged but ones colour can not be kept private.
    Forget the comparisons, just don’t vote Tory if you feel they are homophobic or racist, I’m convinced that they are both; and I will NOT be voting Tory!

  18. John Derbyshire, you’re absolutely right there. It should not be debated. The Cookham Bigots broke the law and an MP is supporting their and others’ right to do so. Gays and lesbians are disgusting filth and people have the right to reject them. We must crawl on our bellies before every service-provider and be grateful to those who do not reject us or who simply tolerate us. No, no, no!

    This really is worth rioting over.

    And yet there are stupid gay Tories on these threads still openly saying they remain prepared to back the Tories. They are simply unbelievable. There are so many gay men and gay women who have an appalling lack of respect for themselves. They are perfectly happy to be treated like shi*te. They would go willingly to the slaughter singing “God Save the Queen”, “Land of Hope and Glory”, “Jerusalem”, and “Rule Britannia”.

    1. The Tories are in an alliance in Europe with the far-right, homophobic Law and Justice Party.

    2. Under a Tory government the Home Secretary would support the right of commercial businesses to discriminate against gay people.

    3. Under a Tory government Iain Duncan Smith would be in charge of families. He wants to reduce the rights of non-biological gay parents.

    4. The Tories in Europe are vile homophobes. And David Cameron has admitted he does not control them.

    5. The Tories record on voting for gay issues is utterly abysmal.

    6. The Tories want to massively increase spending on ‘faith schools’.

    7. The Tories support the religious exemption from equality laws (have a look at number 6 again)

    8. The Tories are opposed to legal equality for gay relationships.

    The Tories are a homophobic party despite their spin pretending they are not the reactionary bigots they have always been.

    (respects to original poster.)

    Readers may be interested to read Mr Cameron’s ACTUAL track record…

    A timeline of David Cameron’s gay rights hokey-cokey

    1999 Shaun Woodward, a Conservative frontbencher, is sacked by William Hague for refusing to back the party’s stance that Section 28 should not be repealed. The controversial legislation banned local authorities from promoting homosexuality in schools. Mr Woodward quits the party, leaving the safe Tory seat of Witney available.

    2000 David Cameron is chosen as the Tory candidate for Witney and on the campaign trail he attacks both Mr Woodward, in a letter to The Telegraph, and Tony Blair for their pro-gay rights approaches.

    He told the local paper: “The Blair government continues to be obsessed with their fringe agenda, including deeply unpopular moves like repealing Section 28 and allowing the promotion of homosexuality in schools. . . Blair has moved heaven and earth to allow the promotion of homosexuality in schools”.

    2003 Once he is elected MP, Mr Cameron votes against the Labour Government’s repeal of Section 28 in the House of Commons.

    2005 By the autumn of 2005, Mr Cameron is elected party leader and he tells the BBC that he is pleased that Section 28 has been abolished.

    “At the end of the day, one section of our community did feel discriminated against by Section 28, and so I’m glad on that basis that it’s gone,” he says.

    2008 He then puts his credentials as a modernising politician on hold by voting against a law making it easier for lesbian couples to receive IVF treatment. He sides with the right of his party saying that the issue goes to the heart of his message that Britain’s society is broken.

    2009 Mr Cameron appears at a gay pride event and apologises for the Tory record on Section 28. “Yes, we may have sometimes been slow and, yes, we may have made mistakes, including Section 28, but the change has happened,” he says.

    2009 Two months later, Tory MEPs refuse to back a cross-party European Parliament vote to condemn a homophobic law passed in Lithuania

    2010 In an interview with gay magazine Attitude, he criticises the Church of England over its attitudes to homosexuality, calling for it to accept equal rights for gays.

    From the Times.

    http://timesnews.typepad.com/news/2010/03/cameron-gay-interview.html

  19. I ask you this: be bigger than one man’s opinion. Know that this is the 21st century. My daughter and her friend’s have a ‘fantasy friend’, named Mark. He is gay. They are young, have no sexual experience, dream of nice men; well mannered, well dressed, nice to everyone. Cute, eh? They are young dreamers.

    My son is 23, a London ‘Camden caner’, working in the music business. He is heterosexual. Many of his dearest pals are gay. Neither he nor them think sex choices are important. They are 21st century realists. Friendship is all.

    For my children’s sake, think bigger than sexual politics. Think of you, and mine. We are more important than politics. Think economics. Think of the betrayal of our Armed Forces, deliberately under funded by Stalinist Brown. Think that Britain had the biggest government deficit before the recession began; has the Western world’s biggest numbers for under-age pregnancy, male suicide aged 18-34, youth drug addiction, alcoholism, homelessness, and clinical depression. All this under a so called Labour government. I care nothing for any political party. I care for we, the people. Now, our only chance is to get rid of Stalinist Brown, by any means possible, and put pressure on all mainstream parties to do our bidding. We are not slaves.

    Think. Children rely on adults to show the way to a better world, without sexual politics. ‘Mark’ would do that. Would you? Be idealistic, for children’s sake. They need you.

  20. Jean-Paul Bentham 6 Apr 2010, 12:19am

    Tory worm.

    Vote Lib Dem.

  21. Mike Rigby 6 Apr 2010, 2:35am

    I really wish people would stop using the word this word homophobic, it’s literal meaning is ‘fear of man,’ not fear or hatred of gay people.
    I believe we should all learn to live and let live, just lately it seems that any comments which can be remotely construed as anti gay are being pounced on with all the fervour of the fanatic.

  22. And the literal of idiot is a person so deficient in mind as to be permanently incapable of rational conduct or thought….But when i call you and idiot thats not necessarily what i mean, Mike Rigby

  23. Cllr Stephen Ellis 8 Apr 2010, 12:37pm

    Speaking as someone who knows Chris Grayling and has met him many times, he’s definitely not someone I’d class as ‘homophobic’ in the slightest. If you scrape the very suface of Labour and Lib Dems, you’ll find people quite happy to make comments as he did.

    I maintain my view that we should fight discrimination in whatever form or place we find it – and that includes ALL policial parties of ALL colours.

  24. At MK

    No, you di@khead. Being gay IS like being black, being ginger, left-handed, blue-eyed, etc. Whether it’s ‘visible’ or not is irrelevant. It’s who we are, how we were born.

    You may want to hide it, but the rest of us are not prepared to go back there.

    Having a faith is a real free choice, and provided one doesn’t harm anyone in the process, one should be allowed to practice in private. But never should faiths be allowed to discriminate against people on the grounds of how they were born.

  25. At the deliciously fragrant cyndi (the troll) – this is not for you, by the way, just for people who might be lured by your siren calls)

    It’s such a delight to see that young people can grow up in a world where gay people are excepted.

    I grew up in a different world, a Tory world, where discrimination and even criminalisation where government sanctioned.

    While I wouldn’t claim that the Government of the last 13 years has led the change, it has certainly done it’s part to support the change to the world your beautiful children are growing up in.

    So that’s great then. NO NO NO. The Tories over the last few days, not to mention the past years have made it very clear that while they will talk up a liberal stance, they will act to take us back to the bigoted, narrow ways we have fought to shed.

    You know this, and you’re a disingenuous snake for pretending otherwise.

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