Maybe it’s not been done before in an English-language soap, but check out the brilliantly written “Lenny and Carsten” plotline of the German soap GZSZ. You can find it with English subtitles on the internet.
Gay boy brought up to hate gays and acts out the hatred to keep in with some straight mates.
Sounds a pretty realistic story line to me.
This is nothing new in the real world BUT im pleased it is being shown and is played brilliantly by this young man Good on him I do hope he is recognised for his fantastic work ???
I grew up a long (very long) time ago. At that time, I honestly told myself that despite my deep feelings, it didn’t mean I was gay. In fact I COULDN”T possibly be gay, because they all carried handbags, wore dresses, walked funny, talked like Camp TV celebrities (Inman, Grayson), and so on. And of course back then, there was no internet, or help groups, and it was still ILLEGAL.
When you know nobody who is gay, and know nothing about it, it is really really confusing.
This storyline has been SOOOOOOO refreshing, and in many ways shows what coming to terms with being gay can be like, for some people.
I do hope some of the hateful, spiteful religious bigots see it, and maybe realise nobody CHOOSES to be gay.
Watched this tonight…
It should be shown in every church in the land.
m-m. Interesting. We don’t get Emmerdale here in Canada.
Gay actor have been rising to the challenge of portraying straight characters since the movie industry began; and in recent years straight actors (Heath Ledger) have portrayed gay characters quite successfully.
Talent is a wonderful thing and only the actor really knows how much tedious work is involved in his/her profession.
This is good news then because we all know that good drama can be cathartic, as J Matthews has pointed out, so as to heal our secret wounds.
Well it’s not that unique. Just off the top of my head Mr. Garrison in the first 2 seasons of South Park and Stewie in Family Guy would both conform to that idea of the homophobic/ self-loathing closet-case.
Perhaps it’s just soap operas that haven’t caught up until recently.
I still don’t see why one is considered homophobic just because one dislikes gays. I have no problem with the gay sex act, I have no problem with lesbians or transexuals, I have no problem with being gay myself.
I just think gay men are all a bunch of selfish, vain, egotistical wankers.
(Lights blue touch-paper and retires…)
“I just think gay men are all a bunch of selfish, vain, egotistical wankers.”
The self loathing homosexualin human form.
Give it a rest, with your bigot views.
RobN – All gay men? Perhaps in your experience, but it’s still a huge sweeping statement.
Sometimes reading your comments reminds me of when I used to watch Basil Brush on kid’s TV, and there was a running gag in the show in which whenever puppets were mentioned he’d spit on the ground and say “Phtt… I hate puppets”, ignoring the fact he was made out of fur fabric and tweed and had Matthew Corbett’s hand up his jacksie!
All I can suggest is you try not to pre-judge all the gay guys you come across… people are generally less obnoxious if you don’t come with your own misanthropic baggage.
“I just think gay men are all a bunch of selfish, vain, egotistical wankers.2
You’re gay ain’t you?
And you’re certainly egotistical – I mean the ONLY reason you have to post the comment above is to get attention.
I mean it’s not like you’ve made any reasonable, intelligent arguement.
You’ve made a stinking fart of a comment and want reaction for it.
welcome back Rob_N, we’ve missed you!
When you say you think “gay men are all a bunch of selfish, vain, egotistical wankers”, does that include your partner?
Don’t respond to this sort of provocation from RobN, it only encourages him.
Yea, well, I can remember seeing Dustin Hoffman playing a terribly alienated and lovable gay character named “Ratso” in a Hollywood production called “Midnight Cowboy”. At the time, I was living in one of Canada’s cosmopolitan cities, Montreal, and there was no shortage of vagrant, alienated men looking for hand-outs on downtown city streets.
Movies like this one, which is a ‘classic’ in my books, did help me to not only have a second look at these unfortunate street dwellers, but also to reflect on my own set of circumstances.
The fact that the movie has stuck to my mind speaks for itself, as I’m sure Emmerdale is forever etched in the minds of gay men, young and older, who were touched by this performance.
rob n , betty bitter
“I’m sure Emmerdale is forever etched in the minds of gay men, young and older, who were touched by this performance.”
Emmerdale is a trashy tea-time soap. It’s full of vile, common people like RobN, having affairs with each other and burning each others houses down, to take revenge for the baby-snatch drama, 2 weeks earlier.
I used to love it as a teenager.
But high-class drama, it certainly ain’t.
Flapjack: It just shows how much you know about Phtt… Puppets.
Matthew Corbett at no time had his hand up Basil Brush. He was associated with David Nixon and Derek Fowlds and a few others, but Matthew was, as far as I know, exclusively fisting Sooty.
Mihangel apYrs: “When you say you think “gay men are all a bunch of selfish, vain, egotistical wankers”, does that include your partner?”
Certainly does sweetie. I don’t make that statement lightly. I would love to find someone to prove me wrong, but after 30 years, I’m not gonna hold my breath.
And Dave: Stereotype maybe, but who said stereotypes are wrong? They are based on the average. You show me someone who goes against the stereotype, and I’ll show you 50 that do.
But you do accept that you are vile and common, don’t you, RobN?
RobN – I stand corrected… noticed my error after I posted but there’s no “Edit” facility on these boards ;)
Certainly was blue touch paper. RobN has made a statement which is a sweeping generalisation but I have some sympathy with his point of view. To some people gay culture does come across exactly as he described it, and if your someone who does not identify with that the the trauma of coming out to be met by this kind of environment can be even more alienating. OK his statement was a bit black and white and most responses have challenged that but there is more than one way to be a gay man – one size does not fit all.
Flapjack: “All I can suggest is you try not to pre-judge all the gay guys you come across… people are generally less obnoxious if you don’t come with your own misanthropic baggage.”
I never used to pre-judge anyone, in fact quite the opposite, I was decent, trusting and loyal. This resulted in me being exploited and generally right royally f_cked over in most cases, so I think I have good reason to be misanthropic.
This entire website is just a continual selfish moan about how badly LGBT people are treated, and everyone continually demanding more. If we were under a regime like Iraq, then we would have something to complain about, but it seems nobody ever comments on what they have, and how gay rights in UK have advanced in the last 30 years, rather than what they want.
I reiterate my statement: Gay men are all a bunch of selfish, vain, egotistical wankers.
RobN – I reiterate MY statement… if you come here with jade coloured specs and consider any equality debate as selfishness, you’ll find the evidence to support the position.
Sure most of the news that concerns us is about equality issues. In some cases you’re right, we do have some stuff to be thankful for, but as with ALL news items no-one focuses on happy stories as by definition they don’t make particularly compelling journalism.
This is true whether you’re gay or straight. War, famine, prejudice, disaster and hate are always going to be bigger headline grabbers than “gay people basically have it alright”.
As Robert Mckee says in his scriptwriting tome “Story”, if there’s no forces of antagonism, the story basically falls flat. That doesn’t mean that we can’t appreciate anything else, but news naturally favours the stuff that’s going wrong.
If we use Iran as our barometer by which we consider anything of less significance too trivial to be bothered with, then you can basically wipe out 99% of all news reported, whether gay or straight. Doesn’t mean that we’re morally obligated to sort out Iran before we complain about anything ever again.
Take your personal life, compared to the situation in Iran that’s pretty trivial, but you just alluded to it.
If you can think of some stuff of significance to the LGBT community we should comment on that’s positive, go ahead, but the stuff that’s working for us just won’t generate half the debate because by nature it simply doesn’t warrant further comment.
RobN – what you are describing is humanity in general, not just gay men. Humanity is also wonderful as well as horrid – again, just like gay men. Homo Saps is difficult and complicated. Big news.
None of which alters one whit the fact that some stigmatised minorities have made great progress in the last half century but also have great struggles still to win.
The existence of gay blogs is sufficient evidence that, despite tremendous progress in 30 years, much remains to be done in reaching the objective: LGBT community treated exactly the same as the so-called straight community. Even in a gay nirvana like Canada – with equal marriage, gays in military, housing and employment non-discrimination, hate crimes legislation, etc. – irrational U.S.-style blood transfusion rules prevent gay men from donating blood. I’ve been enjoying Emmerdale clips on the Internet tubes since the Aaron/Adam attempted kiss: don’t wait around for the episode where a self-identified gay teen struggles with his attraction for girls to the extent that he beats up those weird straight boys as a sign of his self-loathing closeted heterosexual nature…
In the meantime, if you don’t like what you read here, click CLOSE and move to Iran, the only nation where there are ZERO homosexuals, as President Ahma-Denial-Jab pointed out.
Hue-Man: “much remains to be done in reaching the objective: LGBT community treated exactly the same as the so-called straight community.”
I take it you haven’t brought Toto with you, because are living in cloud-cuckoo land if you seriously expect that to EVER happen.
Tolerance is one thing, acceptance is another. All minorities suffer to a certain degree, Blacks, Asians, Jews, Women, Old people, Young people, people with ginger hair.. It’s human nature to segregate and tribalise. You are never going to change that.
As for the blood ban, I fully support it so long as gay men remain a high risk category. It is common sense, not homophobia:
OOOOOOh i just found out i’m a bigot…. cause i absolotely retch at the idea of bedding a Ginga man…… it would be like fiddling with a kiddie ……….yuk yuk
c: absolutely oops