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  1. Like hell they’ve received support from gay people.

    It’s easy to make these claims but they are not necessarily true.

  2. Of course, I can see it now.

    The empathy these alleged gay people have because they just love to be persecuted and treated as second class citizens.

    I think not.

  3. Actually, the b&b owners DON’T have the right to discriminate about who they accept and who they don’t according to The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007. It may be their own private home, but they are using it as a business, offering a service, and gay people are as much entitled to use that service as anyone else. If they cannot accept gay guests they should stop trading.

  4. In all fairness, a lot of Christians don’t know when people are messing with them.

  5. Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they!!!!
    Let them produce the evidence for independent scrutiny!!!

  6. Ah, so that’s what one or two posters from here have been doing!

  7. I dunno how the couple are meant to be publicity-seeking
    Plus it could easily be lies as these Christians already cherry-pick from the bible and disobey their God

  8. All Christian homophobes have gay friends and supporters who agree with everything they say and do. Never heard of one who didn’t. I suppose such gay people must exist, but f***ed-up scarcely covers it.

  9. Jean-Paul Bentham 25 Mar 2010, 7:06pm

    Support from gay people…m-m. I doubt it, frankly.

  10. Colin is totally correct they are running a business and its against the law to refuse gay people a service which they offer to everyone one else.

    Can anyone tell me why Stonewall have not issue proceeding against this couple for breaking the law? Why was the drafted to make it civil rather than criminal? If you turn away someone for being black would it a civil matter or criminal matter?

  11. Deeside Will 25 Mar 2010, 7:29pm

    “All Christian homophobes have gay friends and supporters who agree with everything they say and do.”

    Yes, Riondo, you’re right. Like that Phelim McIntyre who runs an “ex-gay ministry” and says that he’s got many gay friends who have no problem with what he’s doing. If these people really exist, then I regard then with a mixture of pity and contempt. But there have always been people who collaborate with their oppressors. There were even Jews who supported the Nazis’ racial theories – at least initially.

  12. I suspect this is another example of the time honoured christian tradition of lying

  13. Why would anyone agree with someone who discriminates against them?

    Very odd.

  14. Yea..Right

  15. “that we have the right who comes in to our home”

    Of course you do, but you do NOT have the right to discriminate as a provider of a service to the public. If they want the right to stop people coming in to their home, close the business, and return the premises to a private dwelling. Quite simple really. And then everyone’s happy.

    I’m delighted that this couple are taking these law breaking bigoted twits to the courts.

  16. Its not the people who send emails they should worry about! Its the people who turn up at 2am and paint their whole house pink :p

  17. Is this not also a trading standards issue?

  18. @Jean-Paul and @SimonM I agree with both of you. I smell a rat here. (disinformation)

  19. Oy, Abby (16):

    > Its not the people who send emails they should worry about!
    > Its the people who turn up at 2am and paint their whole house
    > pink :p

    I hope you’re not inciting people to break the law!

    Meet you at 1.30am at the bottom of the drive. You bring the paint, I’ll bring the brushes.
    :p

  20. There ARE some very sad gay and lesbian people around, who believe in God and gods, and who will always swim against the tide, out of stubborness and disagreeableness, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some of them haven’t been sucking up to the two Bigots of Cookham in order to earn themselves some warped self-acceptance.

  21. Sad Sickening and somewhat Surreal.

    What a disturbed state of mind these B&B owners display.

    . . . the corollary being – would Jewish people really say the Narzis were right.

    Think Not

  22. While these two ignorant Christian B&B owners have clearly broken the law, there is a part of me which thinks that the law is wrong.

    If I don’t want to have a gay person in my shop or hotel, then I should have that right. Similarly, if someone else doesn’t want a black person in their shop or hotel, then they should have that right as well. In my opinion, PRIVATE businesses shoudn’t be forced to adhere to ‘equality legislation’.

    Furthermore, being a gay person, I personally wouldn’t want to spend my money in a hotel run by a homophobic individual(s) who is only allowing me to stay there because the law forces him/her. I would much rather spend my money (‘pink pound’ lol) for a business which is pro-gay.

    Lastly, the huge positive shift in attitudes towards gay people in this country over the past fifty years or so has been achieved, not through anti-discrimination laws, but through the decline of religion. That is the key!

    Sam

  23. Christine Rourke 25 Mar 2010, 9:35pm

    One needs to remember that this is now being handled by the “Christian” Institute, and they will try to take as much advantage out of it as possible, hence the propaganda and media spin.

    The CI are certainly bigoted and nasty people but they are NOT, sadly, stupid.

    chrissie
    xxxx

  24. Jean-Paul Bentham 25 Mar 2010, 9:37pm

    Thin ice. Hello Martin Luther King!

  25. Avo (20) why are gays and lesbians who believe in God(s) sad? Of course standing up for cultists who hate who you IS sad, but I suspect this new twist on the story is just a ‘I have black friends so I can’t be racist’ gag. if there really was gay support for these barmy people why didnt they speak for themselves?

  26. David Skinner 25 Mar 2010, 9:50pm

    I think we need to get a sense of proportion in this. There is absolutely no comparison between being black and having same sex urges. None at all.
    Why is it always assumed that for a young person to have only shown an attraction to the opposite sex and then to have changed in later life, to being attracted to the same sex, that that person was always a “””””homosexual””””” but didn’t know it, whereas someone who demonstrated same sex tendencies during adolescence but then grows out of them, to being attracted to the opposite sex, is being untrue to his supposedly homosexual nature? Why, once a gay, always a gay, whereas being straight is always regarded as a stage in the development towards being gay? Why, like the reticulated jaw of the python, is it only one way?
    We have been over this same old ground time and time again. No scientist anywhere, except maybe in Brighton, has found any material causality of same sex attraction. This is all gay propaganda which sadly many gays have themselves swallowed. They actually believe it, in the same way people believe in global warming; or that during the medieval period it was believed that the sun revolved around the earth, or that the Earth was flat.
    The causes of same sex attraction are the same as for any habit. Perhaps during a child’s very early years it was starved of the affirmation of its own sexuality, i.e., having a distant father. Perhaps between the ages of 5 and 10 it was seduced by someone older and it found the sexual encounter so pleasurable, that these outweighed any feelings of guilt. It is a well known fact that most children at this time go through a period of same sex attraction. Boys cannot bear to be seen with girls and vice versa. They actually form gangs made up of the same sex. It is only later on during the teen years that suddenly the gang breaks up, as one by one, the gang members do indeed find themselves attracted to Betty rather than George. Finally there is the wider societal pressure as demonstrated in cultures such as that of Greece. The sculptures, depicting the male nude, of the Late Greek, Hellenistic period, are clearly homosexual. No longer the masculine strength of Phidias, but now the sweet, effeminate and effete style of Praxiteles.
    Yes, I believe it even becoming cool to become gay in many of our liberal minded schools – no homophobia there.

    If do know that black people are deeply offended by being compared with being gay – that is unless they are card carrying members of the black LGBTs.
    Scientists have recently done a study on the brains of London taxi drivers and have discovered that that part of the brain that deals with mapping is – in them- enlarged. Like any other organ in the body, parts of the brain can be either be enlarged or atrophied through use or under use.
    I believe that in any addiction, whether it is smoking, alcohol, drugs, sex, the brain is effected so as to make the addiction almost impossible to break.
    Being black is not a behaviour, an addiction; it is not an urge, a drive or an appetite. It is an unalterable state.
    Some gays, I have heard, up to a third, have managed to break free from its slavery; a third would like to, but have failed; and yet another third have no desire to break free.
    If a thousand black women were inseminated with black sperm, no matter what future development their embryos, foetuses, babies and children took, they would always be 100% black.
    If a thousand lesbians were inseminated with homosexual sperm, no matter what future development their embryos, foetuses up until birth took, there would not be a thousand homosexual babies born. It is possible that there may not even be one.
    Even Peter Tatchell has said that homosexuality is not natural.

    Let us also remember that laws and legislation can change, can be repealed, depending on the mood of society. Hopefully when society wakes up to what has happened to them over the last 12 years of Labour government, they will push the pendulum back the other way- that is if we are not overtaken by Islam before hand. The Sexual Orientation regulations were overseen by the lesbian, anarchist, Anglela Mason, when she was working in the Women’s Equality Unit of the Department of Trade and Industry; this was done whilst Peter Mandelson was the EU chief commissioner for Trade and Industry. I believe Pink News boasted sometime back about the power and influence that the gay lobby had at the heart of government. Let us also remember that Government for some years now no longer reflects the will of the people but that of a privileged minority, mostly Marxists, like Stonewall, who have political power that MPs can only dream of. In what way can the Rev Chris Bryant in his underpants be said to represent the people of Rhondda?
    The Sexual Orientation Regulations are maybe law, but Hitler also promulgated laws. Mr and Mrs Wilkinson no doubt recognise an immutable, universal higher law that they have no choice but to follow .

    No doubt there were many Germans at the end of the war who said that they were merely obeying the law but that did not stop the then free world from hauling them before the Nuremberg court.

    One day I anticipate Ben Summerskill being hauled before a British Jury before he arrives at that final day of judgement, along with his crony Ian Mckellen and the rest of them.

  27. After reading some of these comments, it really becomes clear there are enemy within our own camp.

    David Skinner, you truly do not know what you are talking about, please shut-up until you do know and back it up with real evidence. Have you never heard of the work of Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey or The Kinsey Institute?

    Ps. Work on writing better, especially on the grammer if you are going to place an essay in public.

  28. Jean-Paul Bentham 25 Mar 2010, 10:21pm

    …and Hank is on the other thread, the one called:

    “Gay student kicked out by parents over prom date.”

    Here we have :

    “The causes of same sex attraction are the same as for any habit. Perhaps during a child’s very early years it was starved of the affirmation of its own sexuality, i.e., having a distant father.”

    Where have we heard that before??? Hum-m-m-Dr-u-u-m-m.

    Oh yea..Richard Cohen in Uganda. Hey, where’s the reverend martin ssempa, pee haich dee??

    Hello Wilkensens!!!!

  29. “Peter Tatchell has said that homosexuality is not natural”.

    Thats the most absurd nonsense I’ve ever read. Of course its natural or people wouldn’t be gay! You complete fool.

  30. Oh, for God’s sake, don’t give Susanne and Mike anymore coverage. They’ve already had their fifteen minutes of fame.

  31. david skinner 25 Mar 2010, 10:58pm

    I am so glad Kinsey was brought centre stage. Take a good look everyone

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/12/rewhitewashing_alfred_kinsey.html

    http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/chapter7.pdf

    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/alfred_kinsey.htm

    I am also glad that Tatchell’s article “ Homosexuality isn’t natural was also highlighted. Well done.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/5375/

  32. It’s called spin. If the christian institute are involved, then the truth will be well gone.

    As for halfwits like David Skinner, it is pointless arguing with people like that. They fervently believe in their bigotry and hatred. I read these forums frequently, and it is so obvious the people who come on here, masqeurading as being gay. Typically, their comments start like this;

    FAKE GAY POSTER : “You know, I’m gay, and feel very sad about all of this. The two men in question really should have made sure that the B&B was comfortable with them staying. It does strike me, that whilst I too am gay, that perhaps these two gentlemen do appear to be publicity seekers”…….. and so on.

    OR;

    FAKE GAY POSTER “As a gay man, I think that many of these people who say they are fighting for gay rights are actually causing the problem. Why can’t they just stop causing a fuss” …. etc… etc…

    The people on here who do these FAKE gay postings are just sad individuals, who considering they are on a GAY website, are probably just closet cases anyway. Don’t fall for it, and don’t for one minute believe the B&B owners are getting messages of support from gay people. The messages they are getting are from sad gits masquerading as gay people.

    I have seen too many so called ‘christian’ groups around the world use utterly misleading or manipulative information regarding gays, that it really shocks me. It strikes me that christians, especially from the USA, are the most dishonest people on this planet. They will lie, lie and lie, just to prove they are justified in their vile bigotted hateful behaviour.

    Anyway, I do hope the B&B owners know what they are in for by getting into bed (so to speak) with the nutters at the christian institute.

  33. Skinner put this in your bigoted pipe and smoke it!

    Homosexual behaviour due to genetics and environmental factors

    30 June 2008

    Homosexual behaviour is largely shaped by genetics and random environmental factors, according to findings from the world’s largest study of twins.

    Writing in the scientific journal Archives of Sexual Behavior, researchers from Queen Mary’s School of Biological and Chemical Sciences, and Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm report that genetics and environmental factors (which are specific to an individual, and may include biological processes such as different hormone exposure in the womb), are important determinants of homosexual behaviour.

    Dr Qazi Rahman, study co-author and a leading scientist on human sexual orientation, explains: “This study puts cold water on any concerns that we are looking for a single ‘gay gene’ or a single environmental variable which could be used to ‘select out’ homosexuality – the factors which influence sexual orientation are complex. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here – heterosexual behaviour is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors.

    The team led by Dr Niklas Långström at Karolinska Institutet conducted the first truly population-based survey of all adult (20-47 years old) twins in Sweden. Studies of identical twins and non-identical, or fraternal, twins are often used to untangle the genetic and environmental factors responsible for a trait. While identical twins share all of their genes and their entire environment, fraternal twins share only half of their genes and their entire environment. Therefore, greater similarity in a trait between identical twins compared to fraternal twins shows that genetic factors are partly responsible for the trait.

    This study looked at 3,826 same-gender twin pairs (7,652 individuals), who were asked about the total numbers of opposite sex and same sex partners they had ever had. The findings showed that 35 per cent of the differences between men in same-sex behaviour (that is, that some men have no same sex partners, and some have one or more) is accounted for by genetics. Rahman explains:

    “Overall, genetics accounted for around 35 per cent of the differences between men in homosexual behaviour and other individual-specific environmental factors (that is, not societal attitudes, family or parenting which are shared by twins) accounted for around 64 per cent. In other words, men become gay or straight because of different developmental pathways, not just one pathway.”

    For women, genetics explained roughly 18 per cent of the variation in same-sex behaviour, non-shared environment roughly 64 per cent and shared factors, or the family environment, explained 16 per cent.

    The study shows that genetic influences are important but modest, and that non-shared environmental factors, which may include factors operating during foetal development, dominate. Importantly, heredity had roughly the same influence as shared environmental factors in women, whereas the latter had no impact on sexual behaviour in men.

    Dr Rahman adds: “The study is not without its limitations – we used a behavioural measure of sexual orientation which might be ok to use for men (men’s psychological orientation, sexual behaviour, and sexual responses are highly related) but less so for women (who show a clearer separation between these elements of sexuality). Despite this, our study provides the most unbiased estimates presented so far of genetic and non-genetic contributions to sexual orientation.”

    Ends

    “Genetic and environmental effects on same-sex sexual behavior: A population study of twins in Sweden” is published in the online-first edition of Archives of Sexual Behavior:

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/2263646523551487/?p=5310511181974ce6b6abe4ac49752533&pi=4

  34. Yeah yeah yeah. And hitler got supportive messages from jews. And the klu klux klan got supportive messages from blacks. And Margaret Thatcher got supportive messages from the working class.

  35. Bishop Ioan 26 Mar 2010, 12:25am

    When I first read the headline, I thought, “What self-loathing closet case would actually support that homophobe at that B&B?” I know I certainly don’t. Then I remember the homophobic Christian penchant for lying–this is something along the lines of “I have gay friends, blah, blah, blah.” but do not name names. I smell a Christian rat here.

    @ David Skinner: Oh dear, David, I fear you are off your medication and mumbling absurdities again. I actually DO NOT CARE what has caused me to be a lesbian. I simply AM. Contrary to your homophobic drivel, I have known very clearly from an early age to whom I am attracted and that is women. I did not choose my orientation but I am not unhappy about it at all.

    As for your high estimates on gay people who want and do “change”, want to change, but cannot, and who are perfectly happy are way off. Where did you pull these figures from? Exodus?
    In my experience only the hopelessly self-loathing and GLBT youth who are forced by parents to try to “change” get involved in these programmes. I don’t know if this has happened on your side of the Pond or not, but in the US, there are a number of scandals involving “ex-gay” “ministries” and sexual abuse of clients. I put this on the same level as Rasputin telling women, “you must sin before you can repent” as a ploy to get them into bed.

    Gits like you would LOVE to see us all back in our closets, trembling and fearful. Well, ya know what, Davie? Not. Gonna. Happen. We have as much right to exist and to be happy as you do. Most of us find that happiness with the one we love, or friends, or family. You appear to find it in posting screeds like the longer of the two above and in spinning malicious fantasies of a return to the bad old days of, say, 40 or 50 years ago. That must be a cold, lonely existence. I, on the other hand, have a wonderful wife who, when she gets home, I will make supper and we will enjoy a lovely evening in each other’s company. I rather think I have the better existence by far.

    I am so tired of all the Christianist fanatics out there. They are not obsessed by love but by hatred. Hatred of all things GLBT. So much for “you will know they are Christian by their love”. You will know them as Christians by their hate is more like it.

  36. Jean-Paul Bentham 26 Mar 2010, 12:28am

    @ Abi1975:

    Do you mean this Doctor Qazi Rahman……..?!

    Name: Qazi Rahman, PhD

    Title: Lecturer in Psychobiology at the University of East London

    Position: Pro to the question:

    “Is sexual orientation determined at birth?”

    Reasoning:

    “Because we know that performance on these cognitive tests depends on the integrity of specific brain regions, the differences implicate robust differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men and women and suggest that hormonal factors early in development (probably during the 1st trimester of pregnancy) produce these differences.”
    Interview, Irish Examiner, Mar. 25, 2003

    Theoretical Expertise Ranking:

    Key Experts – MD’s and PhD’s in psychology, with significant post-doctorate involvement in human sexuality issues. [Note: Key Experts definition varies by sites that have this designation]

    # Involvement and Affiliations:

    Lecturer in Psychobiology, University of East London

    # Researcher in sexual behavior patterns, University of Staffordshire

    # Lecturer in Neuropsychology, King’s College, London

    # Visiting Research Fellow, Institute of Psychiatry, King’s College London

    # Full member of the International Academy of Sex Research (IASR) and British Association for the Advancement of Science (BAAS)

    # Editorial Board Member, Archives of Sexual Behavior

    # Post-doctoral research, Institute of Psychiatry at King’s College

    # Education: PhD, King’s College, University of London; Medical Research Council

    # BSc, University of Staffordshire; Psychology

    Contact Info: Phone: 44-20-8223-2769

    Fax: None found

    E-Mail: q.rahman@uel.ac.uk

    Website: University profile

    # Select Publications: Cowritten with G.D. Wilson, Born Gay: The Biology of Sex Orientation, 2005

    # “The Neurodevelopment of Human Sexual Orientation,” Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews, 2005

    # Cowritten with M. Scott-Hull, “An Empirical Test of the Kin Selection Hypothesis of Male Homosexuality,” Archives of Sexual Behavior, 2005

    # Cowritten with D. McFadden, J.C. Loehlin, S.M. Breedlove, R.A. Lippa, and J.T. Manning, “A Reanalysis of Five Studies on Sexual Orientation and the Relative Length of Index and Ring Fingers,” Archives of Sexual Behavior, 2005

    # “Fluctuating Asymmetry, 2nd to 4th Finger Length Ratios and Human Sexual Orientation,” Psychoneuroendocrinology, 2005

    Also Quoted in:
    * 1. Is sexual orientation determined at birth?
    * 2. Does conversion therapy help people change their sexual orientation?
    * 3. How can sexual orientation be categorized?
    * 4. Is there a connection between sexual orientation and the ratio between second and fourth finger length?
    * 5. Can hormones affect sexual orientation?

    8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8

    Skinner! We’ve been waiting for all this time. Where have you been? Now don’t leave. There’s more!

  37. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 12:33am

    SamB @22, I have taken the liberty of expanding and developing upon your theme of progress and success in Britain.

    Lastly, the shift in morality and attitudes towards gay people in this country over the past fifty years, coupled with a deepening moral crisis where the bonds of ethical responsibility that once held our society together appear to be dissolving; plus the endemic physical aggression and brutish eagerness for immediate sexual gratification or money; or the huge rise in divorce coupled with the 1.5 million children abused or neglected, children taken in care, children running away from home; not to mention the numbers of parents with serious addictions that range from taking drugs to the lottery, rise in homelessness, rising poverty, serious debt and of course the rising prison population; and finally, overarching all, UNICEF’s placing Britain bottom of a league table for child well -being across 21 industrialised countries……….all this has been achieved not through anti- discrimination laws, but through the decline in religion and return to barbarism. That is key.

    And Abi1975 first it must be pointed out that Dr Niklas Långström is a psychiatrist and as we know psychiatry is not an exact science with often the psychiatrists needing treatment themselves.

    If we are talking about identical twins why don’t we look at the MPs Angela and Maria Eagle. What happened there? The guy Bailey in America is ueer himself as are so many of these so called scientists trying to find a genetic or biological cause of homosexuality.

    http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:dPX8wEkxeVwJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation+Dr+Niklas+L%C3%A5ngstr%C3%B6m+wiki&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

    Finally if a biological cause, malfunction can be found either it can be fixed or some mothers could opt for an abortion, since apparently the rights of woman trump those of her unborn child. Don’t they?

  38. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 12:39am

    Yup, all psychos

  39. Skinner replys with Wiki material LOL

    Wiki is not a reliable source of information you fool!

    BTW David, how is Corfe Mullen, Wimborne!

  40. David Skinner is a well known troll.

    He is best ignored.

    Seriously. Do not respond to him.

    He is self-admitted, unmarried impotent christian, who seems to have issues with us gays.

  41. Aceonthedraw 26 Mar 2010, 1:23am

    Every so often, on the Fox news channel, a stereo typical black man is called out to give his opinion on Barack Obama and he almost always says he is a racist against white people. It is clear that this man doesn’t know any better, yet the producers of Fox news know that by having a black man say bad things about a black man, be it a race issue or not, affirms the thoughts of the average white viewer: Black guys are alright, but are totally inept when put in charge of a white mans world.
    The same goes for those gay people who wrote letters of support. They don’t know any better, but shove a few quotes from them in the daily mail and you’ll have people thinking it’s fair enough to discriminate against gays and lesbians.
    The point is, ignorance fuels ignorance, and in this case it’s being lit up by fools

  42. “The CI are certainly bigoted and nasty people but they are NOT, sadly, stupid.” (Chrissy)

    The woman who runs it, Andrea somebody, admitted on TV she believed the world (and presumably the universe) was something like 4-6 thousand years old. Ignorance is not stupidity, but perhaps wilful ignorance is.

    As for the B&B couple, I think if it’s true they received “threats” from our side of the debate, then that’s very wrong and apologies should be sent by anyone who sent them in a moment of anger. But I’m not convinced the worst ones (if indeed sent) were from our side given the known tactics of the “religious” right in America, that they are exporting over here along with the politics of hate, courtesy of the Daily Mail. But such apologising for inappropriate behaviour is very different from writing and pointing the finger at “those other, nasty gays” who expect to be treated equally and with respect, thus demonising others in order to make themselves more acceptable to bigots. That’s really offensive.

    If you want to see what the loony religious right is really capable of you just have to look at all the threats, violence and intimidation now being aimed at the Democrat representatives who just passed a Health Care bill in the US, including attempted murder so far.

  43. Jean-Paul Bentham 26 Mar 2010, 2:21am

    Yes, you’re right, of course, except that it comes as a surprise sometimes to see our gay brothers actually take sides against us. I thought we had moved beyond that since the Stonewall Riots, Harvey Milk and the Gay Liberation movement.

    On the other hand, we can hardly expect fully mature behavior from those of us who have yet to recover from wounds received growing up in a hostile environment.

    I’m reminded of the movie “Boys In The Band” where everybody comes together in a tearful group hug at the end after one of the guys says: “Why can’t we all just get along?”.

    I suppose the same thing happens among groups of straight guys and that it really is part of growing up where the UN Assembly would represent the ultimate humanitarian achievement because conflict can be harnessed to generate constructive thinking and positive action.

    Dale Carnegie once said that any fool can criticize, complain and condemn; and most fools do.

    That is not to say that I am free of all foolishness – yuk, yuk – but I do know it when I see it, don’t you.

  44. No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs … and Dorothy hasn’t got any prejudices … lol.

  45. Dave North 26 Mar 2010, 3:42am

    Perhaps we should keep an eye on the homophobic homosexual Emmerdale story line.

    It most likelt has many parallels with David Skinner.

  46. Bishop Ioan 26 Mar 2010, 3:44am

    The sad fact is that there will always be those self-loathing individuals who will side with the oppressors even when it is clearly not in their best interests.

  47. The Big Yin 26 Mar 2010, 4:38am

    I smell a rat.

    I’m black and i fully support anyone denying a person of color a service because they don’t like them. stick by what you believe in!

    *And in case any right wing religious wackos/daily mail readers are reading, YES! I’M USING SARCASM*

  48. “Skinner replies with Wiki material LOL”

    Yeah, Abi, this is his “great revelations”, LOL! He just goes around cut’n’pasting nonsense from lame websites, Wiki is about the best of them too. You should hear Skinner go on about the 6,000 year old earth “proof” and the reason why the global conspiracy that is the “new world order” to destroy christianity, which he fears greatly…. then you’ll see he hasn’t got the brains to do anythign BUT cut’n’paste….

    ….in fact the only thing he’s any way individual about is when he talks about sex, and that’s when you come to the disturbing realisation that Skinner is probably a child abuser. Really, really warped view of sex in the mind of that old codger.

    He’s just some old fool who spends his last few years between screaming on a gay site for attention, and screaming at cars at the intersection.

  49. Astroturfing.

  50. Yeah, poor Skinner is definitely pitiful. What is it about fundies that they seem to simply shut their brains down and start spouting the lamest nonsense. I know Xtians that have enough sense to accept the general natural history of the universe as it is told by science.

    And yes, I have noticed that he is a very warped person. I think he should worry more about his own soul and less about ours.

  51. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 8:25am

    Bishop Loan @ 35,

    You raise a very interesting point. The word love is a many splendid thing:-
    It can describe the incestuous love of a father for his daughter or a brother for a sister.
    It can describe the love of a woman for a dog or a man for a horse.
    It can describe the love of a pederast for a child, such as that between Hadrian and Antinous.
    It can describe the love between adulterers like Prince Charles and Camilla or Brittany Spears and her many lovers.
    It can describe the love of Janet Jenkins and her present lesbian partner for the eight year old daughter, Isabella Miller, the legitimate, biological and rightful daughter of Lisa Miller, whom Janet Jenkins is determined to wrench from her mother, no matter how this will impact on the child.
    It can even describe those who protect their loved ones from facing the law such as those Cardinals, and dare I say Popes, who protect and allow their homosexual pederast and paedophile priests to sexually abuse thousands of children.

    The love you talk about is a need love that is egotistical and narcissistic. Forget the sexual practices, either active or vicarious; it is the relationships that are wrong and which will always be wrong, no matter which planet you land on.

    Will @48 you display much of what is so awful about homosexuality. I mean the way distraction and distortion leads to deception, denial, defiance, delusion, despair and finally death. You need to chill.

    Finally I wonder if some gays by contributing to this site were to apologise on your behalf for the hatred and threats that I am presently receiving, whether they also would be identified as bogus – straights pretending to be gays ? Is it then not the case that only those who have demonstrated real hatred for Mike and Suzanne Wilkerson reveal the true face of homosexuality?

    As for hatred, God has given me a body and soul which is equipped to play, like the notes on a piano -or the keys on a flute – a whole range of emotions from hope to despair, from joy to mourning and from love to hatred. God tells me to love what is righteous, pure, just and true and to hate with all my mind, heart and soul all that is contrary to his word. Homosexuality is contrary to God’s word.

  52. Skinner @51 you display much of what is so awful about christianity. I mean the way distraction and distortion leads to deception, denial, defiance, delusion, despair and finally death. You need to get educated.

    Skinner, you’re a buffoon. A sex starved old fool with delusions of power…. and I assure you with some delight, you will be long in your lonely grave before I even need to draw on my pension.

  53. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 9:04am

    Very nicely put, Will, I could not have said it better. I love you too.

  54. Indeed, Skinner. I doubt you can love anything. You are that powerless angry old fool that no one likes, and in turn, you rage against the world you don’t understand and have no control over, that changing beyond your ability to comprehend. Its tuppence psychology, granted, but accurate none the less given your lame tirades in here. You may love me (you wish!), but I pity you. I honestly hope I never get like you when I’m old…. wisdom is such a fleeting thing Skinner, and you seem to be void of any of it despite your age.

    “God tells me to love what is righteous, pure, just and true and to hate with all my mind, heart and soul all that is contrary to his word. Homosexuality is contrary to God’s word.”

    No its not. Its contrary to your word. And I doubt god is as stupid as you have proven yourself to be. Besides, do you really spend your time going around telling people “god tells you what to do”? You really should see a doctor, you sound quite sick. Perhaps some Viagra will help your anger and delusions?

  55. Uh-oh, Skinner has turned up again. Any item with ‘Christian’ in the title on this site brings him to the threads like a magpie to a fat ball on a bird table.
    Ignore him. He likes to be attacked. Clinging to the Old Rugged Cross lets him hope he can exchange it one day for a Crown.

  56. Will and Bishop Loan are right, LBG are not like the lies David Skinner spews
    “homosexual” was coined in 1868 and added to the bible in the 1940’s
    the bible’s also been mistranslated, re-edited and misunderstood

  57. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 11:10am

    Riondo, I see you also have been attracted to the fat ball, Skinner, or should I liken you to a piranha being attracted to fresh meat? What this thread clearly demonstrates is that there is a consensus that believes that the gays who apologised to Mr and Mrs Wilkinson for the death threats they have recieved are not the authentic gay voice. Too right the authentic hate- filled voice is here on Pink News. Now may I suggest as I have a lot to do today that you cease to be distracted by this worm and return to your original quarry, Mike and Suzanne Wilkinson. I’ ll leave you to it.

    P.S Chester you are absolutely right the antithetical words homo and hetero were introduced by Kertbeny and Jager. The words homosexual were mistakenly or maybe even deliberately put into the Bible in place of sodomy and sodomites. There is no mention of homosexual in the King James version. The emphasis is on both the relationship and the act; but by extension it probably condemns as a perversion a man performing sodomy on a woman( even though the relationship is right), or a woman with a strap on penis performing this same sick act on a woman. Enough for now

  58. “Any item with ‘Christian’ in the title on this site brings him to the threads like a magpie to a fat ball on a bird table.”

    LOL! Or a a fly to sh!t… and lets face it, most of the contradictory rubbish christianity uses as “proof” against us, and anyone else they don’t like, is an utter pile of it.

  59. “or a woman with a strap on penis performing this same sick act on a woman”

    Aaaaand again, back on to sex. See? He just can’t stop himself. Its all he thinks about. What a dirty old pervert this Skinner is. Even the way he talks about it is just down right creepy.

    No doubt he washes himself profusely when he has to “perform dirty acts” with his poor unfortunate wife. The film “American Beauty” comes to mind….

  60. david skinner – people on here who disagree with you aren’t the haters, you and the couple are and you show that repeatedly, you both represent the evil face of Christianity! It’s terrible that so many are like you or worse! Sodom fell for pride and inhospitality – inhospitality like what the couple showed or pride like what you show so you three are the Sodomites! Same-sex relationships are also right plus WIll’s right that you are back to sex
    did you know about the sexual pleasure centres there? your god did that if you are a believer

  61. David Skinner is a self-admitted, unmarried, single, impotent christian, who has issues with gays.

    Ignore him,

  62. Chester, skinners god f****d him up the ass years ago, that why the snivelling troll spends so much of this time in here looking for our acceptance of his religious delusions. Will#54 also hit the nail on the head when he said hes living in a world he can’t understand and I think thats why he lashes out like a child. Can you only being to imagine what a heinous creature this man must be in the real world? Ugh! He’s a validation for abortion up to the 240th Trimester!

  63. Keith Bradley-Wilson 26 Mar 2010, 1:07pm

    Yeah! Right!

  64. When I encounter the hateful drivel spewed out by Skinner and his ilk, I take comfort from the fact that, God willing, I shall never encounter the man in real life, and, thank God, he is not a member of my family.

  65. Not David Skinner 26 Mar 2010, 2:09pm

    I believe the guy is a fake and a wind-up, not even a real xtian or homophobe. I haven’t read him for a long time, period. Can we get back to the thread?

  66. gays supporting b an b couple ?….Why not. some gays vote Tory!

  67. I bet “some of there best friends are gay”

  68. “American Thinker” ……….Plueeeze, the two words can hardly be said to go together these days and as for all the other Xian rubbish these links refer to … well it says just about all there is to say about this jerk Skinner.
    Listen folks …to debate with this fool is to give his argument some credence…… Just ignore him and see how long he lasts…….

  69. David Skinner: “We have been over this same old ground time and time again”

    Oh, so we have, David, and no matterw hat information you’re given, you refuse to take it in. You paste the same old bits over and over again. What IS your obsession with lesbian sex? I seem to remember you going on about insemination etc before. Wait – I think I know the answer. You’re obsessed by gay sex. Or maybe sex, in general. It’s creepy – very creepy. You make my skin crawl, DS.

    Ignore David Skinner. He purposely makes outrageous and offensive statements to see if anyone bites. Then he goads and goads until people get angry, and THEN he has the cheek to claim that gay people are aggressive/bad/evil/debauched – oh, insert pretty much any insulting adjective there.

    The reason he comes here and taunts is that a gay man annoyed him in the past and he’s harboured a huge grudge against gay people in general ever since. In my opinion, he’s obsessed with us and should seek counselling so he can move on from his hatred. It’s sad to waste your retirement putting so much energy into hating other human beings. Very sad.

    Don’t rise to the bait. We all know what he’s like, and the best thing to do is to completely ignore him. Remember Rahman?

  70. Oh, and David – stop fantasising about whatlesbians do in bed. You actually make me feel physically sick. You are one sick man.

  71. David Skinner (26):

    No sympathy from me, at the bite-back your post aroused. But there is one thing you raise that I think deserves to be answered plainly, because it’s a fair question that and the answer isn’t necessarily obvious.

    It’s far too much to paste, but you ask why guys who never expressed a same-sex attraction until later life have “always been homosexual without knowing”, whereas people who grow out of early homosexual feelings are “being untrue to their nature”.

    In fact, it’s complicated. Sexuality is polarised semantically into two or three boxes, which doesn’t reflect reality from the start. Following that, biology is not always the whole story for sexual attraction any more than it is for any other biological programming. (I visualise it as a magnet, immovably strong for some people, capable of being overridden for some people in some circumstances.) Then there are the pressures to conform, consequences (real and imagined) of non-conformity. And somewhere at the end of everything there’s sometimes a natural if misplaced “We was robbed” reaction from any group that feels like there’s been a defection from its ranks.

    None of this has anything to do with “addiction” and “breaking addiction” that you talk about. There is no “unalterable state”, whether it’s sexuality *or* skin colour. (Michael Jackson was one proof of that.) But the effects of trying to override biology… they could destroy lives, they could be fatal. And with no better reason than stinking, rotten prejudice.

    The lyrics in Chumbawamba’s song say “Homophobia, the worst disease: you can’t love who you want to love in times like these.” Put away the prejudice, the fanaticism, the religious bigotry: don’t try to invent some rationale whereby homosexuality will somehow disappear in a puff of religious fervour. Instead, rejoice that people are diverse in shapes, sizes, skills, interests, sexuality, skin colour, ambitions, gender… everything.

  72. David Skinner what a pr1ck.

    Being gay is FAR more natural than religion

  73. Is that old goat Skinner back again? Talk about obsessed!!!!!!!! And why is he always going on about putting a penis into things, he really needs to get a hobby that doesnt involve constantly going on about sticking his flaccid lad into this that and the other or strapping soem dildo on and ramming it into someones whatever. What a dirty little bugger he is! He must be knocking one off while he writes this trashy porn stuff, it just aint normal. He must be the local flasher.

    @Will#54 – Lets hope Will he doesnt get his dirty mitts on any viagra, or he’ll be humping the watermelons in Sainsburys!

  74. d skinner, it must hurt a hellova lot, that you cant express your monosylabic views in real world (dammn it ,all those anti homophobic laws) and what youre rally left with is just a posting tread on pink news, very sorry for ya, but hold on mate, one day, one day, naaa wishful thinking

  75. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 8:23pm

    Tsuchan@71
    Skin colour is an unalterable state, unless, like Michael Jackson, one develops a skin disease like vitiligo and lupus. A person’s height, size and form, is an unalterable state unless one develops muscular dystrophy, or one simply grows old. A person’s gender is an unalterable state, unless one undergoes hormone therapy and major surgery; but even this does not change the skeleton, merely the muscular tissue. Anyone digging up the bones of trans gendered woman would identify it as a man.

    However, sexual attraction, which is plastic and alterable, as with a taste for meat or vegetables, cannot therefore be compared with skin colour. The American Psychiatric Association has produced at least thirty sexual orientations which are independent of a persons gender and which I presume can combine to form further variations. Sexual drives, appetites or urges, develop in the same way as some develop an appetite for beer, liquorish allsorts, alcohol, narcotics and drugs. You would never know from looking at someone walking down the street that they were vampires.

    Therefore to change one’s sexual proclivity will not be fatal or override biology. No harm will come of it. One’s head, arms and legs won’t fall off. However, to alter a man’s natural desire towards his complementary half, a woman, the one for whom he was designed, though not causing any biological harm, will harm him mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially. Plus he is likely to have a shortened life and be open to more sexually transmitted diseases than straight men who are in faithful marriages. In a word it will destroy him.

    Yes, indeed there is much diversity in sexual appetite. Apart from those who have consensual relationships with pavements, bicycles, the Berlin Wall and the Eiffel Tower we also have this.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3286721.stm

    Christ did say that the road to hell was broad wide and diverse. Whereas the gate to Heaven was narrow and few enter it.

  76. OK SKINNER, IN CAPITAL LETTERS, SO MAYBE, JUST MAYBE U FINNALY GET IT, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR SAY ON HERE, SO HAVA BOTTLE OF CHURCH WINE OR WHATEVER AND GIVE US AND URSELF A BREAK, NOT THAT IM HOLDING MY FINGERS CROSSED

  77. darkmoonman 26 Mar 2010, 8:59pm

    This just demos how many homophobes we have *within* the gay community.

  78. carl rowlands 26 Mar 2010, 9:05pm

    If they only knew the anguish that gay people felt when forward booking a hotel room – Shame on them! Gay people are fickle, they are their own worst enemy at times! Get a GRIP and stand up for each other.

  79. Jean-Paul Bentham 26 Mar 2010, 9:20pm

    @Will 54:

    “…tuppence psychology” !!!

    You do have a way with words, Irish!!

    And also a tremendous power of scientific analysis. You are not being unkind; just calling it as it is.

    Mr. Skinner needs to understand that he is not well before he can make up his mind to help himself.

    Because he was an art teacher, it’s possible that the world of art would be his best bet, and I’m convinced there’s a way for him to get off his merry-go-round because going around in circles at his age is simply tragic and unnatural.

    The same applies to the Wilkensens. Their B&B could use a facelift…a gay landscaper who would be glad to accept their business. m-m.

  80. Jean-Paul Bentham 26 Mar 2010, 9:28pm

    @Iris 69:

    “Ignore David Skinner. He purposely makes outrageous and offensive statements to see if anyone bites. Then he goads and goads until people get angry, and THEN he has the cheek to claim that gay people are aggressive/bad/evil/debauched – oh, insert pretty much any insulting adjective there.”

    You got it, sweetheart, in an nutshell.

    Ditto.

  81. davis skinner – sexual orientation can’t be changed and you’ve been told this repeatedly! men who are into men are as natural as heteros FFS! your stupid examples are really stupid! tsuchan is right anyway

  82. “You would never know from looking at someone walking down the street that they were vampires”

    LOL! Another prize statement of intellect from Skinner…. on a 6,000 year old earth, where he hears god “talking to him”, where there are global conspiracies out to get him, and where schizophrenia is somehow “inspired”…. now there’s vampires walking don the street.

    So, how DO you tell a vampire from a religious buffoon, anyway?

    “Therefore to change one’s sexual proclivity will not be fatal or override biology.”

    There we go, another ex-gay yarn. Desperate to prove this stuff, he is. Desperate. Still, at least he’s not talking obsessively about penises and his latent desire to stick them into things like he normally does….

    ….Skinner is living proof of this research: Research by US psychologist Prof. Adams of the University of Georgia suggests that 80 percent of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings.

    An old fool, obsessed with sex, on a gay site…. and he says he’s “straight”. Yeah right! LOL!

  83. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 10:41pm

    God loved us so much he that was not prepared to leave us as we were : lost, condemned and without hope. He sent His only son, Jesus Christ to take the punishment that we deserve for disobeying God and going our own way.Jesus Christ died sacrificially for us but He also rose from the dead so that he conquered both the accuser, Satan; death, the due punishment that we all face; and the second death, an eternal hell to which all who reject Chris’s perfect sacrifice are destined to go. When we acknowledge are need for forgiveness and accept Christ’s free gift,the Holy Spirit indwells us and begins the job of changing us from the inside. A reconstruction begins. Things that bound us before no longer hold their grip. Our attitudes, values and goals change as we set our sites on Eternal life with God. Things that we found so appealing but which kill us no longer hold an attraction. In their place we have an appetite only for good things, things that will do us no harm, only good. Doubtless there are times when through lack of faith and plain stupidity we are tempted to revert back to the old self, but God has hand on our collars. We are lifted up, dusted down and set off on the road again. The word repent merely means to re think, to re orientate, to turn around and head off in the right direction. THis re orientation is not programmed or pre – determined. We have freedom of choice but we need help for we cannot do it in our own strenth. We have need of a greater power and this is the Holy Spirit that indwells every believer, so that they can break free from the bondage of their old nature, from the accusations of Satan and the lure of the world. Now there will be folks here who say what a load of rubbish and yet I have seen people whom I had written off as the very worst of sinners, suddenly come alive and become clothed in their right minds. Who am I to say who or who God will not touch? It says that he does not want any perish. Accept now before it is too late for you His offer of eternal life and allow him to change you into the image of his son. This might happen dramatically or slowly, but it will happen and believe me his patience is infinite, that is until we die and then the offer finishes.

    God Bless Will, Iris, Paul and each and every one

  84. Post 75

    David skinner wrote
    “However, sexual attraction, which is plastic and alterable, as with a taste for meat or vegetables, cannot therefore be compared with skin colour.”

    JohnK’s response
    “David if sexuality is plastic and alterable then sexuality is fluid, which also highlights the unstable nature of heterosexuality. “

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David skinner wrote
    The American Psychiatric Association has produced at least thirty sexual orientations which are independent of a persons gender and which I presume can combine to form further variations. Sexual drives, appetites or urges, develop in the same way as some develop an appetite for beer, liquorish allsorts, alcohol, narcotics and drugs. You would never know from looking at someone walking down the street that they were vampires.

    JohnK’s response
    David behold . . . Gods diverse creation called “Sexuality”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David skinner wrote
    “Therefore to change one’s sexual proclivity will not be fatal or override biology. No harm will come of it. One’s head, arms and legs won’t fall off.

    JohnK’s response
    “David the Royal College of Psychiatrists have pointed out that reparative therapies aimed at changing a person’s sexuality are likely to lead to anxiety, depression and also put some people at the risk of suicide. David, why do you want to inflict psychological harm or even death on a person.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “However, to alter a man’s natural desire towards his complementary half, a woman, the one for whom he was designed, though not causing any biological harm, will harm him mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially.

    JohnK’s reponse
    “David the Royal College of Psychiatrists have pointed out that reparative therapies aimed at changing a person’s sexuality are likely to lead to anxiety, depression and also put some people at the risk of suicide. David, why do you want to inflict psychological harm or even death on a person.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “Plus he is likely to have a shortened life and be open to more sexually transmitted diseases than straight men who are in faithful marriages. In a word it will destroy him.”

    JohnK’s response
    David what evidence do you have from peer viewed Journals to support you assertion that gay people have shorter lives compared with heterosexuals?

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “Yes, indeed there is much diversity in sexual appetite. Apart from those who have consensual relationships with pavements, bicycles, the Berlin Wall and the Eiffel Tower we also have this.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3286721.stm
    Christ did say that the road to hell was broad wide and diverse. Whereas the gate to Heaven was narrow and few enter it.”

    JohnK’s response
    David why do you want to deny, neglect or abuse god’s creation called sexuality. David since God created sexuality; therefore sexuality is a sacrament which should be respected. David why do you want to deny, neglect or abuse Gods sacraments.

  85. Oh, another cut’n’paste. Again.

    What. A. Surprise.

    Quite a substitute for independent thought, cut’n’pasting, isn’t it, Skinner?

    Here’s one for you Skinner:

    In 2008, intelligence researcher Helmuth Nyborg examined whether IQ relates to denomination and income, using representative data from the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which includes intelligence tests on a representative selection of American youth, where they have also replied to questions about religious belief. His results, published in the scientific journal Intelligence demonstrated that on average, Atheists scored 1.95 IQ points higher than Agnostics, 3.82 points higher than Liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions.

    Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all the higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which is “highly statistically significant.”

    Ergo, if the more religious you are, the bigger the idiot you are, then Skinner, you must have the IQ of a tomato.

    As we have seen that here, with your “intellectual” cut’n’pastes, I think we can establish the validity of this study with you as a case in point.

    And we’re back to the reason he can ONLY cut’n’paste. A computer can be programmed to do the same…. a very small computer.

  86. “Holy Spirit indwells us and begins the job of changing us from the inside”

    LOL! You mean the deity that thinks its a small white chicken, that goes around sh!tting fire on the heads of people? What a lame assed god that is. I mean seriously, talk about the short straw! The other two ate daddy-and-son combo, and they create this, smite that – a tad imbalanced, isn’t it? And all this Holy Spirit wants to do is “get inside” people and “dwell” in them. Doesn’t he have a home of his own, a pigeon coop in heaven, perhaps? When I want a flaming chicken in me, I’ll order a KFC, thanks.

    “We have freedom of choice but we need help for we cannot do it in our own strenth”

    Keep pushing that belief that you can change your homosexuality, Skinner…. Affirmation! Affirmation! Affirmation!

    “God Bless Will, Iris, Paul and each and every one”

    Oh, god has already blessed me, thanks. I’m the luckiest man alive. He told me he hates your kind, and loves those capable of true love, like me. He also told me you’re an idiot. Fancy that. Well, who am I to argue with god’s word.

  87. David Skinner wrote
    “God loved us so much he that was not prepared to leave us as we were : lost, condemned and without hope. He sent His only son, Jesus Christ to take the punishment that we deserve for disobeying God and going our own way.Jesus Christ died sacrificially for us but He also rose from the dead so that he conquered both the accuser, Satan; death, the due punishment that we all face; and the second death, an eternal hell to which all who reject Chris’s perfect sacrifice are destined to go. When we acknowledge are need for forgiveness and accept Christ’s free gift,the Holy Spirit indwells us and begins the job of changing us from the inside.”

    JohnK’s response
    David when are you going to repent of your homophobic hatred, expressed in your wish that gay people psychological injury; or even kill themselves through harmful therapies outlawed by the Royal College of Psychiatrists
    David when will you let God change your heart which is full of hate malice and murderous rage.

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “A reconstruction begins. Things that bound us before no longer hold their grip. Our attitudes, values and goals change as we set our sites on Eternal life with God. Things that we found so appealing but which kill us no longer hold an attraction. In their place we have an appetite only for good things, things that will do us no harm, only good. Doubtless there are times when through lack of faith and plain stupidity we are tempted to revert back to the old self, but God has hand on our collars. We are lifted up, dusted down and set off on the road again.”

    JohnK’s response
    David when will you let God reconstruct your heart of hate malice and murderous rage, into one of love peace and respect for Gods creation.

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “The word repent merely means to re think, to re orientate, to turn around and head off in the right direction. THis re orientation is not programmed or pre – determined. We have freedom of choice but we need help for we cannot do it in our own strenth. We have need of a greater power and this is the Holy Spirit that indwells every believer, so that they can break free from the bondage of their old nature, from the accusations of Satan and the lure of the world.”

    JohnK’s response
    David when will you repent of your homophobic hatred

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “Now there will be folks here who say what a load of rubbish and yet I have seen people whom I had written off as the very worst of sinners, suddenly come alive and become clothed in their right minds. Who am I to say who or who God will not touch? It says that he does not want any perish. Accept now before it is too late for you His offer of eternal life and allow him to change you into the image of his son. This might happen dramatically or slowly, but it will happen and believe me his patience is infinite, that is until we die and then the offer finishes. God Bless Will, Iris, Paul and each and every one.”

    JohnK’s Response.
    David when are you going to repent of your sin of homophobic hatred, and follow in the light of Christ who above all preached love, respect and tolerance of all God’s creation.

  88. “David why do you want to deny, neglect or abuse Gods sacraments.”

    John, its because the god of the old testament is right up Davis’s alley, he’s not interested in the true meaning of Christianity.

    Lets be honest, the old testament “god” is a spoilt petty brat. Moses bangs a stick twice, and he gets “smited”. God clearly gets his kicks out of asking old men to kill their son’s and then call it off at the last minute. Lots wife turns and has a gawk at the destruction of a city, a perfectly natural thing to do (who wouldn’t), and he’s turns her into a pile of condiment. The list is endless. “God” in this case is in dire need of a dose of Ritalin and some behavioural counselling.

    These are not the actions of a wise supreme being. Jesus, now he has a different message, and a good message, regardless of if you believe in his being a go or not.

    Skinner here, sees himself aligned with this wrathful petty puerile god, as he himself is like that in a world he is powerless to change.

    And his anger and vindictiveness rises all the more because he is powerless to stop equality for gay people. He needs a scapegoat for this own inadequacies, or even latent and despised “tenancies”. He’s unable to ascend beyond his emotional ranting, hence his lack of understanding of the true word of Jesus.

    In fact, its more likely Skinner is suffering form a mental condition, such as schizophrenia, where his irrational emotions and delusions can be rationalised internally with dogma. This was studied extensively by M. Ralph Kaufman (Religious Delusions in Schizophrenia). Its a proven, and well established link.

    Skinner is a prize example of this mentally disturbed behaviour.

  89. Well, just reading all of David Skinner’s posts and was just wondering when he ‘decided’ to be straight? How did he know which way to ‘choose’ if he didn’t try being gay . . . .

  90. david skinner 26 Mar 2010, 11:35pm

    Will you can do your utmost to show just how hateful, perverse, cruel and wicked you can be. You can nail Christ to the cross; you nail up all the rubbish that he is prepared to clean out of your life with him, but the truth is that the very worst you can do, the lowest depth you can plunge can never ever catch up or overtake his love for you. The deeper you plunge the further ahead he takes your sins into the abyss. There is absolutely nothing you can throw at him that will stop him from loving you. Try as you might your evil and hate can never overtake or come anywhere near surpassing His love for you . But you know what? You might have thought you had succeeded in killing him but you have not. For He has arisen from the dead and its OK.. You just need to turn around and look whose tapping you on the shoulder. It really is true. The only one keeping you from turning around is the Accuser, the Liar. But he is as sham a defeated enemy. I pray in the name of Christ that you will accept the hand he offers to new life, abundant life, a life without limits.

  91. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Mar 2010, 12:27am

    There’s a bed and breakfast for you at Wilkensen’s, Mr. Skinner.

    Perhaps a cup of green tea before calling it a day.

    See you tomorrow then.

    JohnK: Vr-o-o-o-o-M!!!

  92. Mr Skinner
    There come a time when you have done all you can a said all that needs be said now is the time to shake the dust from your feet.

    Remember Jesus said

    Cut’n’paste time

    Matt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
    KJV

    God also has an opinion on IQ
    Ps 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
    KJV

  93. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Mar 2010, 1:35am

    Tea?

  94. Mr Skinner

    When are you going to repent of your “Homophobic hatred”?

  95. David Skinner,
    I surmise, from correlating your underling attitude and your biased empirical evidence, you are a so called christian – small “c” given because you have not earned a capital “c;” either way you only earned a “c” and that is probably a pattern in your life. It must be so sad to live life in a lowercase- “c”- grade way, such as trolling a gay news site and acting like very sad creepy person.
    As for your christian beliefs, you could benefit from healthy and sane introspection and analysis there too. You should question any belief that a virgin has given birth to a child; millions of years of imperial evidence states otherwise. If you need more concrete evidence, ask your mother. Though be prepared for here to ask you why are you asking; again creepy at your age, and explaining your need to be on a gay news site would probably be devastating for her. The only truth if such a think could happen: it really seems unfair to participate in the pain of child birth without the usual pre-emptive pleasure.
    Now, do you really think some octogenarian climbed up a mountain, talked with a burning bush that gave him the laws people should live by; and then, that same octogenarian, who lived in a time when the Virgin Gym chain did not exist and hence was probably not fit enough lift his own ten year old grandchild, carried two stone tablets, which probably weighed much more than his own eighty year old body weight, down a mountain and still had enough energy to lift them above his head, in anger at the people believing the image of a cow could grant them bliss in heaven (see the insane but perfect parallelism here), and threw them to the ground with enough force to destroy them to the point where they could not be put back together but had to head back up the mountain to get to new replacement stone tablets. See how the old, inane story makes less sense when it is written this way. Are you feeling like a dope yet?
    I hope you will not need more examples of the insane christian beliefs and you will repent of your silly ideas. If you do, think ‘man walking on water” is unlikely, ‘feeding thousands of people with a few small loves of bread and a few fishes’ is probably unlikely,’ man controlling storms’ is probably unlikely, ‘sex with an angle carrying god’s seed’ is creepy, ‘ woman being created from the rib of a man’ is simply a priceless joke by the people of the past on idiot chisitians of the future, living our lives in the future by the rules of people less present than ourselves is simply stupid and backwards….
    Now go to a mirror and repeat over and over: “There is help. I can get help. Therapy is good.” Repeat this positive affirmation until is become cellular, preferably every morning and every time you think of trolling a gay website. Also, stay away from children until you are healed, because you seem to be susceptible to and act on unhealthy, neurotic compulsions; thus, we would not want you to develop any compulsion towards child molestation, which you would probably act on; in the same manner as you act on your compulsion to troll gay websites to gain power by harassing gay people, which is only because you cannot achieve any healthy sense of real power in your life. For the sake of the world and heaven, get help.

    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” – Gandhi

  96. My, my, my. Hit a nerve, have it? What was it, the schizophrenia diagnosis, or the reality that you’re a loser in this battle of good (us in the fight for dignity and equality) versus evil (your hate)?

    “Will you can do your utmost to show just how hateful, perverse, cruel and wicked you can be.”

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pot. Kettle. You, Skinner, are one of the most offensive, repugnant, distasteful and hateful people I have ever come across. So what?

    Hence an insult such as this, means entirely the opposite coming from you. I’ll take it as a complement of the highest regards that someone like me, is offensive to a bigoted worm like yourself.

    It also let me know I speak the truth when I describe you….. you know you have a mental condition. You just won’t admit it.

    As for me “killing Jesus”…. LOL! Get a life you old fool.

  97. Given the developements of the last couple of weeks re: the arch christians, the Roman Catholic Church, it may only be a matter of time till the world rises up en masse against the hatred embodied in all religion. I defy skinner or any xtian homophobe anywhere on this planet to tell me how any religion has in reality improved anyones life. They will all point out the obvious but the reality is, as we now know, much different. A bunch of kiddie fiddling sadistic misfits who want everyones life to be as miserable as their’s and will stop at nothing to achieve that.
    And all based on what…. a myth perpetrated on ignorant uneducated peoples world wide in the interest of power and wealth.
    The obscene wealth of the vatican and all the other organised “faiths” while their followers live in abject poverty is apalling. The collection plate is still handed around at services in the slums of Sao Paulo as much as it is in Mayfair or the upper East side in NYC.
    Anyone who took the time to read Joe Ratcatchers tirade at the Irish Faithful last week under the Guise OF A “Pastoral Letter” will have seen for themselves where this clowns head is really at…protect the church at all and any cost.
    He even had the temerity to contradict himself in several places. On the one hand saying how the Irish people had for centuries been so devout and then a few pages later as how, if we had been a bit more devout this would have never happened….. i kid you not.
    Blame anyone but the church. Well Joe, you old exnazi, paedophile protector… its so over….I wonder how it feels to know that you are presideing over the last days of your evil cult. As some of the more devout and deluded of your followers are now saying, Jesus is probably behind this destruction of your evil cult, much a he did when he was alive and cleared out the temple of the money lenders and power brokers..
    I as an Atheist of course, dont believe in divinity and think it is the inevitable. People are becoming better educated nowadays through the worldwide rollout of traditional education, but more so by the Interweb, and are beginning to see the truth in all its ugliness.
    The reasons behind the fight of the hierarchy in the beginning of the last millenium to keep the bible and other books out of the hands of the proletariot is now obvious. Keep them ignorant and you will retain power over them.
    Mind you that is still going on in some quarters, where a certain type of school concentrates on teaching its macho mythological drivel at the expense of standard education, producing another generation of ignorant misogynist fundies who want the rest of mankind to be as miserable and ignorant as they are.
    It is so over Skinner and not a minute too soon.

  98. david skinner 27 Mar 2010, 8:58am

    Roodolpt @ 92

    Great piece of cut’n’paste, but Christ came to us and did not keep us at arms length. He went to the lost, not the saved. Doubtless there will be some who trample the pearls underfoot, but what about those others who are maybe not joining in the mud slinging but listening. We must not tar them all with the same brush

    Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?”
    Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:29

    As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.
    While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and “sinners” came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?”
    On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice. ‘For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Matthew9:9

    Before I go however, it has been stated over and over again here how anyone who believes in Christ let alone a Creator God , as did Einstein, then they are somehow mentally retarded. I was led to the Lord by Australia’s most respected scientists, not one of your pseudo scientific neuro – psychologists, but one of the world’s leading nuclear physicists, Professor, Leslie Kemeny

    Maybe those who doubt that scientists can be deists, or even, suffer the thought, Christians, should check this little out :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

    However, Roodolpt, I think you may be right about shaking the dust off one’s feet – for now at least.

    ,

  99. “but what about those others who are maybe not joining in the mud slinging but listening. We must not tar them all with the same brush”

    Is that it? You hope to “convert” the silent here?

    LOL!

    Please, we’re giving them a show alight, and its not one that will have anyone rushing off to christianity any time soon, not your corrupt and evil brand of it, anyway.

    Tell me Skinner, does it upset you that you are living in a world where Christianity is fading into the background and to a “personal religion”, and democracy and equality is thriving?

    Let me give you some home truths here. Honest, home truths.

    I am senior manager at a large multi-national. Every day, I make sure that there is training and education to protect gay staff and educate others on gay rights and acceptance of, not just tolerance of, gay people in the workplace. Not just my staff, but ALL staff. That’s thousands, Skinner, all across Europe. Aad thats just me, one gay man. There are man more like me.

    I drive my company to ensure they upholds the law on equality, and are seen to be talking effective action to prevent any infractions. You wouldn’t last a day here, you’d be fired for breach of “Respect at the Workplace” policies, which I helped shape.

    Google, IBM, and Microsoft are all following suite. We’re educating the workforce, Skinner – ALL workforces…. exposing them to how diversity and tolerance is beneficial for the entire company, society and our customers.

    You, are an old fool banging out line after line of repetitive and poorly thought out cut’n’pastes on a few right wing nutter site and gay websites.

    Now ask yourself, who is making the biggest difference here?

    Me, in a company of thousands edcuating them in a huge scale? And making a big impact.

    Or you, and ageing old fool with a few extremist that the vast public at large denounce as archaic, hateful and bigoted?

    Basically, Skinner, I AM that gay manager that you had all those years ago that set you off like a little spoilt brat. The difference is, I would not tolerate your nonsense. And I can assure you, no one in my company uses vile offensive words like you do against gay people – not because they are not allowed, but because they don’t want to.

    Thats the beauty of education, Skinner. It has a vast capacity to win the hearts and minds of people. And its for a better society, one I hope where you kind of hate and anger and want to inflict suffering on others is never tolerated – because you do not represent religion, you represent oppression.

    The bottom line is, you Skinner and your kind are a dying minority. I do more to further acceptance and tolerance for ALL creeds and orientations on one week then you could ever hope to achieve in years of banging out tripe like that on gay websites.

    I hope that reality comforts you. I sure does me.

    Who out there on this thread thinks I’m right?

  100. psychology is real david skinner plus it’s proven. maybe you deny this as people are too near the reality of you for you to be happy?

  101. “psychology is real david skinner plus it’s proven”

    Chester, you’ll note that he refers to the American Association of Psychologists all the time when condemning gay people, but when physiology is directed at him, its a farce. With Skinner, anything is only valid when it’s in his favour. The sign of a complete idiot.

  102. Will I think youre spot on. I have a gay manager and its great how open she is and how that has such a positive effect on the others around her. David, why do you persevere here when its clear we know there’s something wrong with you?

  103. The very fact that this idiot keeps referring back to Wikipadia is enough to convince us all that that is exactly what he is…. an idiot …plain and simple and as i said before,debateing with him only goes to convince him that somehow his idiotic musings have credence.
    As we all know anyone with a keyboard can go to Wikipedia and insert the most idiotic and inane false information they could dream up and this moron would consider it a revelation of the first order.

  104. Hi All
    Who is this skinner guy anyway
    some kind of fundy preacher
    with a hatred of gay peeps

    Does he have his own indoctrinated congregation
    where he clones more like him
    H…

  105. Many Christians have traditionally been rather bad at spotting irony.

    “Oh you poor loves. Absolutely you should be able to discriminate against us. Why don’t I help you pin-up that ‘NO jews, blacks or gypsies’ sign”

    Mind you, I suspect the B&B is all knitted loo roll holders and porcelain figurines *shudder*

  106. Hi – H.Bakar

    David Skinner is a retired art teacher from dorset. . . he is an avid petition instigator, and an avid activist against gay equality, liberty and freedom.

    http://www.christianstogether.net/Articles/178276/Christians_Together_in/Christian_Life/Christians_and_Politics/Art_Teacher_writes.aspx

  107. JohnK: Maybe we should all start bombing his website with comments and see how he responds.

  108. david skinner 27 Mar 2010, 12:26pm

    Will, I must be living in the homosphere where deception and delusion reign. You claim that I was an employee in your business outfit, of which you are the managing director. If this is the case can you give us all a more detailed personal profile of myself? When exactly did I work for you and for how long?

    I must say you have revealed a great deal of invaluable intelligence about the profile of homosexual mind and megalomania (I believe Ernst Roehm is a gay icon).

    On the question of sodhimmitude – the equivalent of Islamic dhimmitude- and world domination by gays, you might not have noticed how a formerly atheist and Marxist country like Russia is now ruled by a Christian president, Putin. You might also be unaware of the fact that it was Christians who brought down other communist states like Romania and East Germany.

    Many of us however do believe that history is working towards some kind of climatic apocalypse that looks uncannily like that described by Christ and John’s book of Revelation.

    The gays without a doubt have the wind in their sails but sailing to where? I would say it was civil war. Let us see where we are in a few years time.

    Incidently what has happened in the Catholic Church merely highlights the fact that reformation for them is five centuries late

  109. Hi Rob_N . . . sounds like a good idea. Lets overload his website with the drivel he overlads and hijacks our site with.

    . . . and I think it would be Biblically so to speak

    “An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth”

    I think the MagnifiCat may well be calling us to enact “Tallion Law!

    lol

  110. David skinner wrote
    “On the question of sodhimmitude – the equivalent of Islamic dhimmitude- and world domination by gays.

    . . . . . . . . .

    David . . . and if “Gays” take over the world?
    David . . . what will you do?
    David . . . enlighten us on your strategy?

  111. He has a website????? the url anyone???? do tell………….

  112. david skinner 27 Mar 2010, 1:15pm

    John 18 :36Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
    Jesus is here indicating that no earthly ruler or military commander can bring about God’s Kingdom. Only Christ can do that when he comes at the Second Coming.

    A Cromwell, Lincoln, Churchill might be able for a time stem mankind’s orientation towards wickedness , but the world will inevitably become more lawless.

    In Matthew 24 :6- 14 he said:

    “You will hear of wars and rumours of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

    But then at the climax of history in Revelation 21: 7 the Holy Spirit reveals to John:

    “He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    Christ never said that becoming a Christian would be a bed of roses. He said pick up your cross and follow me, for the simple reason that all the time we live on this earth we live are living in a state of war. A war that is waged both spiritually and corporeally. A Christian is commanded to do both for he or she sees no distinction. There is no dualism here.

  113. Deeside Will 27 Mar 2010, 1:36pm

    The dark night of homophobia, in which David Skinner and his ilk have taken such perverse delight, has long been slowly but inexorably waning, and the rosy and hopeful dawn which is already glimmering brightly through the mists of the twilight is as wormwood and gall to them, for it means that the powers of evil have been vanquished.

    Mr Skinner’s hatred of us, no matter how thickly varnished with religious and “moral” sentiments, is still hatred, and unless he abandons it, it will make him ill. Indeed, it may well be already doing so.

  114. David Skinner in a nutshell

    David so what you are saying is that Christians will be justified in murdering gay people because it is Gods will.

    David . . . why are you not taking up this strategy now?

  115. I think they might need to amend their website.

    Here – http://www.swissbedandbreakfast.co.uk/prices.htm it says “No Pets”, but I can’t see “No Homosexuals”.

  116. david skinner 27 Mar 2010, 2:28pm

    JohnK who mentioned murdering homosexuals? Only you. The Bible says it is for Him to seek vengeance on the ungodly. In 1 Corinthians 6: 9,10 it says, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Those parts of the 2006 Sexual Orientation Regulations (if not all of them) which are forcing Mike and Suzanne Wilkinson to run their private, family guest house, in such a way that it violates their moral conscience and undermines the distinct Christian ethos of their business, need to be removed.

    Though in no way wishing to take away the liberty of homosexuals to access homosexual friendly guest houses, of which there are many, we believe that to force Mr and Mrs Wilkinson to conform to the tastes and lifestyle of homosexuals is discriminatory and is a blatant contradiction of the Equality Bill.

    Our British inheritance to be able to live and speak, according to our conscience, privately and in the public sphere, without harassment or the fear of civil or criminal penalty, is a freedom that once distinguished us from all other nations. This liberty did not come cheaply but cost the lives of our forebears and ancestors. Sadly today it is treated with such contempt by a government that continues to bind us in an ever growing, cancerous growth of pink legislation.

    As people from all walks of life, political parties, religious faiths and none , but still broadly speaking, citizens of a Christian country, I trust that there are many, still remaining who will stand foursquare with Mr and Mrs Wilkinson in defence of their beliefs and civil liberties.

     

  117. JohnK… can you post the url… website address to this creeps website.please..thanks

  118. David Skinner wrote

    “In Matthew 24 :6- 14 he said:

    “You will hear of wars and rumours of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David . . . you are using this passage to justify hatred and murder, becasue hatred and murder is all that apears to be in your heart.

  119. David Skinner . . . does your church in “Dorset” know of your personal crusade on pinknews ?

  120. Hi Patrick . . . unfortunately David Skinner does not appear to have a fixed home in cyberspace i.e personal website.

    However, terresterially he is based in the “Blandford Forum” area of Dorset.

  121. david skinner 27 Mar 2010, 3:30pm

    JohnK the Bible is the most published book in the world. I wonder why?
    Maybe because it articulates like no other book, the true state of affair – warts and all.

    Take, for example Psalm 73, where the writer is clearly vexed until, that is, he until he entered the Temple and read the Law.

    Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.
    But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.
    For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
    For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.
    They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.
    Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
    Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
    They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.
    They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.
    Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
    And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?
    Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.
    Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency.
    For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.
    If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.
    When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;
    Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
    Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.
    How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.
    As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.
    Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.
    So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.
    Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.
    Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
    Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
    My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.
    For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.
    But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

  122. David Skinner

    Your interest in the Bible is evident.

    Your dislike of “Civil Soceity” is more than evident in your hatred of equality, freedom and justice for LGBT people.

  123. david skinner 27 Mar 2010, 3:58pm

    David Skinner lives in Dorset

    This is what he looks like. (If he removes the picture now that we are on to him, I have a copy I can send you, or join “My pink news to get a copy)
    http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/localiser/MyProfile.asp?sp=&v=1&memno=105633

    Lets protest out side his church and the school where he teaches.

    Posted by JohnK on another thread.
    Sound to me JohnK that I have become a sort of obsession to you.Are you some kind of stalker? Maybe, like the Wilkinsons I should inform the police.

  124. Christina Engela 27 Mar 2010, 4:22pm

    “Several are from gay people saying they apologise for the publicity-seeking gentlemen and don’t agree with that point of view and that we have the right who comes in to our home.”

    In the first place, a B&B is a business – not their home. They just happen to live at work.

    And yeah, I can see loads of gay people calling them to pat them on the back, just like I can see loads of Jewish and Gypsy folks calling the local neo-Nazi group to agree with them too.

  125. david skinner 27 Mar 2010, 6:54pm

    Christina even if we leave aside the invasive nature of this abomination into their own home, there are plenty of organisations whose ethos and philosophy would be seriously compromised were they to entertain someone or group of people into their midst. The labour party would not allow a conservative into their ranks. A Vegetarian organisation would not allow a meat eater onto their board. Muslims would not allow Christians to lead a mosque. A pink hotel in Britain would not allow Christians to hold a conference on marriage in their conference lounge. Why is that bloggers on this site become abusive, insulting,lack hospitality and tolerance when I put across a Christian view. Indeed am told to keep my personal opinions to myself. .But since you mention Nazis you may wish to peruse this: http://www.johannhari.com/2004/06/24/the-strange-unexplored-overlap-between-homosexuality-and-fascism

    http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html

    http://www.christian.org.uk/news/20090420/public-fund-gay-events-while-d-day-is-ignored/

    http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

  126. David Skinner – your bible’s mistranslated etc, yet you have repeatedly ignored this to be prideful and haughty!the bible is mistranslated and misunderstood as I’ve shown repeatedly ( http://www.jlarue.com/wtbs.html#genesis http://www.truthsetsfree.net/study.html), “homosexual” was a term coined in 1868 and added in 1946 (http://www.sisterfriends-together.org/words-matter-1-corinthians-1-timothy/)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality
    the only abomination is the homophobia that you are spewing

    Will – I’ve noticed how many like david skinner are self-contradicting hypocritical buffoons

  127. “Sound to me JohnK that I have become a sort of obsession to you”

    Funny you say that as you’d previously denied that was you. I would look back at the appropriate thread, but I’ve just eaten and I can’t stomach wading through your bizarre list of sexual practices which must interest you a hell of a lot. I’d find your lesbian obsessive stuff there too. Wouldn’t you be better off on a porn site?

    DS:”Will….You claim that I was an employee in your business outfit, of which you are the managing director. If this is the case can you give us all a more detailed personal profile of myself? When exactly did I work for you and for how long?”

    That made me spit my coffee out! Honestly, man, can’t you read? Will did NOT say he’d been your boss. HE’S not the gay boss you hated – bit of a peacock, was he? How your grudge has smouldered inside you. Can you not see how it’s eating you away? What nerve did this man touch to set you off on such a hate-filled path?

  128. Skinner, if you could read, I never said you worked for me. You utter moron. Try again, read this time. Makes me wonder how you got your teaching qualifications, a dumpster, perhaps?

    And your continued cut’n’pasters only demonstrate your lame argument in a losing battle. You’re a triumph of futility and stupidity. Well done.

  129. David Skinner Post 123

    What a tantrum . . . rather like a school child than ex-school teacher.

    David the reason you had to retire early as an art teacher ? . . . young boys was it.

    David did one of your life drawing classes get a little bit close to . . . shall we say . . . real life.

  130. Is David Skinner a Crackpot ? . . . Discuss

    The following extract is from the Anglicam Mainstream news site
    http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/2010/01/15/equality-bill-will-be-amended/

    David skinner wrote the following:

    “There is no such thing as homophobia, because there are no such things as homosexuals. Homosexuals are the invention of a German in the 19th century who was a pederast.”

  131. david skinner 28 Mar 2010, 12:47am

    Christ never said anything about homosexuality because in his day, speaking to that Jewish culture, that had its back against the wall and that was determined to separate itself as far from the surrounding pagan culture as possible, homosexuality must have been a rarity, something that only the Greek and Romans did. However he spoke twice as much about sexual immorality as he did about speaking about the poor. He spoke about adulterous relationships and he also spoke about sexual behaviour, fornication. To the Jewish people the word fornication encompassed a range of practices that included homosexual acts. Not for nothing in Leviticus is the sin of homosexuality sandwiched between child sacrifice ( abortion) and bestiality or zoophilia.
    Christ never spoke about, smoking, drug taking, the use of fire arms or speeding either.

    Jude 4- 10

    For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
    I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
    And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
    Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
    Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
    Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
    But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

    Ezekiel 16: 44- 52

    ” ‘Everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: “Like mother, like daughter.” You are a true daughter of your mother, who despised her husband and her children; and you are a true sister of your sisters, who despised their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. Your older sister was Samaria, who lived to the north of you with her daughters; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you with her daughters, was Sodom. You not only walked in their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they. As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.
    ” ‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. Samaria did not commit half the sins you did. You have done more detestable things than they, and have made your sisters seem righteous by all these things you have done. Bear your disgrace, for you have furnished some justification for your sisters. Because your sins were more vile than theirs, they appear more righteous than you. So then, be ashamed and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

    Judges 19:22- 28 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”
    The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this disgraceful thing. Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don’t do such a disgraceful thing.”
    But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.
    When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, “Get up; let’s go.” But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.

    ST Anthanasius, 350 AD had this to say about the Hadrian and Antinous whose busts were shown to school children on Thursday 19th in the British Museum, during the pre- launch to the 2010 LGBT History Month, in order to show them that homosexual pederast behaviour was natural and normal

    “And such a one is the new God Antinous, that was the Emperor Hadrian’s minion and the slave of his unlawful pleasure; a wretch, whom that that worshipped in obedience to the Emperor’s command, and for fear of his vengeance, knew and confessed to be a man, and not a good or deserving man neither, but a sordid and loathsome instrument of his master’s lust. This shameless and scandalous boy died in Egypt when the court was there; and forthwith his Imperial Majesty issued out an order or edict strictly requiring and commanding his loving subjects to acknowledge his departed page a deity and to pay him his quota of divine reverences and honours as such: a resolution and act which did more effectually publish and testify to the world how entirely the Emperor’s unnatural passion survived the foul object of it; and how much his master was devoted to memory, than it recorded his own crime and condemnation, immortalized his infamy and shame, and bequeathed to mankind a lasting and notorious specimen of the true origin and extraction of all idolatry”

    Thank you Chester for your cut and paste links . I shall find them quite a window into the mind of the revisionist.

  132. Post 108 – David skinner wrote

    “On the question of sodhimmitude – the equivalent of Islamic dhimmitude- and world domination by gays.

    . . . . . . . . .

    David since “Gays” take over the world? . . . what are you planning to do about it?

  133. Hey David Skinner, my wife and I have just bought some excellent new toys…. pray for us…. ;0

  134. david skinner 28 Mar 2010, 8:58am

    If we can digress from the Wilkensons for a moment , I would like us to take a quick glance at the methodology of debating employed by gays – particularly that of Will (Will Self, Self Will or Will Fool ?). And it is not reason. Not having any of their own, except of a corrupted kind, Gays, like him/her/it can only resort to infantile name calling and defamation. No doubt I shall be accused of cut’n’pastin again, but here is a sample his debating skill: –

    “….Yeah, Abi, this is his “great revelations”, LOL! He just goes around cut’n’pasting nonsense from lame websites, Wiki is about the best of them too. You should hear Skinner go on about the 6,000 year old earth “proof” and the reason why the global conspiracy that is the “new world order” to destroy christianity, which he fears greatly…. then you’ll see he hasn’t got the brains to do anythign BUT cut’n’paste….”

    “….in fact the only thing he’s any way individual about is when he talks about sex, and that’s when you come to the disturbing realisation that Skinner is probably a child abuser. Really, really warped view of sex in the mind of that old codger.
    He’s just some old fool who spends his last few years between screaming on a gay site for attention, and screaming at cars at the intersection……”

    “…Skinner, you’re a buffoon. A sex starved old fool with delusions of power…”

    “…. and I assure you with some delight, you will be long in your lonely grave before I even need to draw on my pension…..”

    “.…You are that powerless angry old fool that no one likes,…”

    “…..I doubt god is as stupid as you have proven yourself to be…”

    “….Perhaps some Viagra will help your anger and delusions? ……”

    “…..”Any item with ‘Christian’ in the title on this site brings him to the threads like a magpie to a fat ball on a bird table.”
    LOL! Or a a fly to sh!t……and lets face it, most of the contradictory rubbish christianity uses as “proof” against us, and anyone else they don’t like, is an utter pile of it.……What a dirty old pervert this Skinner is. Even the way he talks about it is just down right creepy.
    No doubt he washes himself profusely when he has to “perform dirty acts” with his poor unfortunate wife……”

    “…..Ergo, if the more religious you are, the bigger the idiot you are, then Skinner, you must have the IQ of a tomato…”

    “…..LOL! You mean the deity that thinks its a small white chicken, that goes around sh!tting fire on the heads of people? What a lame assed god that is. I mean seriously, talk about the short straw! The other two ate daddy-and-son combo, and they create this, smite that – a tad imbalanced, isn’t it? And all this Holy Spirit wants to do is “get inside” people and “dwell” in them. Doesn’t he have a home of his own, a pigeon coop in heaven, perhaps? When I want a flaming chicken in me, I’ll order a KFC, thanks……”

    “…..He also told me you’re an idiot. Fancy that. …”

    “……He’s unable to ascend beyond his emotional ranting, hence his lack of understanding of the true word of Jesus……”

    “…….In fact, its more likely Skinner is suffering form a mental condition, such as schizophrenia, where his irrational emotions and delusions can be rationalised internally with dogma. This was studied extensively by M. Ralph Kaufman (Religious Delusions in Schizophrenia). Its a proven, and well established link.
    Skinner is a prize example of this mentally disturbed behaviour……”

    “……My, my, my. Hit a nerve, have it? What was it, the schizophrenia diagnosis, or the reality that you’re a loser in this battle of good (us in the fight for dignity and equality) versus evil (your hate)? ……”

    “………Skinner,(you) are one of the most offensive, repugnant, distasteful and hateful people I have ever come across. So what?……”

    “…..you know you have a mental condition. You just won’t admit it…”

    Secondly
    Will also claims to champion tolerance, inclusion, equality, non discrimination and no doubt, like Ben Summerskill and Ian Mckellen, kindness and temperance. Will says:-
    “……..us in the fight for dignity and equality,” ….”I do more to further acceptance and tolerance for ALL creeds and orientations on one week then you could ever hope to achieve in years”……

    …..“Thats the beauty of education, Skinner. It has a vast capacity to win the hearts and minds of people. And its for a better society, one I hope where you(r) kind of hate and anger and want to inflict suffering on others is never tolerated – because you do not represent religion, you represent oppression.”

    Really Will, “to win the hearts and minds?” Homophobia is defined simply by refusing to hold the hand of a homosexual or not to affirm everything they do or say. This punishable by seven years in prison, fines, loss of job and no doubt having one’s children taken into the care of gays.

    Finally.
    These last bits of cut’n’paste from Will can only speak for themselves.

    “……..Basically, Skinner, I AM that gay manager that you had all those years ago that set you off like a little spoilt brat. The difference is, I would not tolerate your nonsense. And I can assure you, no one in my company uses vile offensive words like you do ………“
    “……..Skinner, if you could read, I never said you worked for me. You utter moron. Try again, read this time. Makes me wonder how you got your teaching qualifications, a dumpster, perhaps?
    And your continued cut’n’pasters only demonstrate your lame argument in a losing battle. You’re a triumph of futility and stupidity. Well done.
    .The bottom line is, you Skinner and your kind are a dying minority…………With Skinner, anything is only valid when it’s in his favour. The sign of a complete idiot………..”

    Will, I would sum up your debating skill as defamation, distraction, deception, defiance, delusion, dementia, despair, dread and death; it is all there.

    As for Johnk, his speciality is prowling, stalking and low level intimidation.

    Any way keep the comments coming, including Iris, for they supply not only me but all who might be reading this blogg a rich insight into the gay mind.

    .

  135. Oh Skinner, you’re hilarious!

  136. David skinner – the links aren’t revisionist but factual unlike the revisionist BS you have been spewing! plus your “ad hominem ” attacks on Will are pathetic and one of the first tactics of the bigot and the stupid

  137. David skinner – Post 108

    “On the question of sodhimmitude – the equivalent of Islamic dhimmitude- and world domination by gays.

    . . . . . . . . .

    David you argue that “Gays” are taking over the world? . . .

    1. What are going to do about this
    2. Do you have a strategy to stop them ?

  138. david skinner 28 Mar 2010, 10:23am

    Chester, Chester, Cheseter, I have merely quoted what Will said. He said those things; I didn’t. But there again you demonstrate another aspect of just how diverse rainbow perversity can get; which is that we are not even allowed to point out glaring truths about GayTranselvania, without being accused of being offensive, hateful and unkind. I am not attacking Chester merely pointing something out. Or is this just too much for you. You know what they say if it gets too hot in the kitchen. Get out.

  139. David Skinner – Post 134
    “As for Johnk, his speciality is prowling, stalking and low level intimidation.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    In what way is highighting your murderous hatred towards gays
    prowling, stalking or intimidating you?

    In what way is highighting your campaigns to limit the equality, freeedom and dignity of gays prowling, stalking or intimidating you?

    In what way is making you accountable for your incitement to hate and murder of gays prowling, stalking or intimidating you?

  140. David Skinner . . . it is 10.30am Sunday morning, and you are posting on this site. If you were a “Christian” as you cliam to be, you would be at Church; but instead you are frequenting “Gay” news sites . . . what does this really say about you?

  141. Well said, JohnK.

    DS: “Not for nothing in Leviticus is the sin of homosexuality sandwiched between child sacrifice ( abortion) and bestiality or zoophilia.”

    Uh huh. So you’re a Jew then? No, you’re not, because you sneered at someone who suggested that you shouldn’t eat shellfish/wear mixed fibres, things that are also in Leviticus. Presumably no-one at your church wears glasses or has some other ‘defect’? As the Bible says, their presence in a place of worship pollutes it. I presume you stand outside your church turning these people away then?

    I actually think you’ve got a genuine medical or psychological problem (I put ‘medical’ there because vascular dementia can cause disordered thinking and can appear gradually). You need help.

    But – because I have the patience of a proverbial saint – NOWHERE in the Bible are loving, consensual same sex relationships between two adults condemned.

  142. “Really Will, “to win the hearts and minds?” Homophobia is defined simply by refusing to hold the hand of a homosexual or not to affirm everything they do or say”

    And ignorance is defined as a lack of willingness to listen or learn. Bigotry is defined as prejudice to others. You demonstrate both in abundance.

    And yes, we are winning the battle (and the war) against you and your bigoted, ignorant, archaic bunch of lunatics. One point in case, did you get anywhere with that petition? No? Oh, how disappointing for you.

    Glad you took the time to re-read all my comments about you, I am delighted you are finding some wisdom in them. Perhaps now, you’ll see how pathetic a retired fool, suffering from obvious schizophrenia, banging this kind of trite on a gay site is, and maybe do something useful with the last few years of your miserable life.

    as for “Will, I would sum up your debating skill as defamation, distraction, deception, defiance, delusion, dementia, despair, dread and death; it is all there”

    Ha Ha! Whoooooo! Oh, no! Not the death! What an old buffoon you are. I assure you, my debating skills are far superior to someone who’s pinnacle of debate is to post a few bible quotes on a gay site! LOL! Please!

  143. Skinner … how do you deal with the 6 thousand years old your evil book says the earth is ..and then what of the dinosaurs….. that i want to hear….

  144. Ah the bible…. that great scholarly work of humanity and understanding. I found it to be a collection of stories passed down orally from a fearful and uneducated band of desert tribes. I found it to be a work of the utmost evil , with its mysogeny, homophobia. pederasty, paedophilia, cruelty and idolatory and pathological need to control.

    Think about this.. Moses, an entirely mythical figure supposedly received the Ten Commandments from “God”. On returning to his tribe he found them worshipping a golden calf, so he threw down the tablets of stone and smashed them. He then went back to “God” and got another set. Where are they? One would think that something so important, would be one of mankinds greatest treasures, but no, we mislaid them somewhere, possibly in the Red sea when “god” parted the waters or possibly mislaid them when the Jews were wandering about in the desert for forty years… living on what one wonders.
    Then there was the assertion that “God” was into Infantcide by demanding that Moses kill his only son.
    Then there was Noah who saved the entire flora and fauna of the planet earth on a 40 foot wooden boat When your god threw a strop and decided to kill off everything on the planet because some humans didnt behave properly.
    Then there was the dude in Sodom who would rather give his infant daughter to the mob so as “you may know her at your will” rather than have them Defile visitors to his house……I wont go on but methinks your grasp of the reality of the bible is strangly selective. Do you for instance believe that slavery is right .The “holy” bible does. do you for instance believe that all governments sre constituted by god.
    Really…. Ivan the terrible, Gengis Khan,Pol Pot, Stalin , Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Mao Tse Tong, and on and on.
    Again you are wrong when you say i have a hatred for religeon. No i hate what it does to people like you, who are clearly deluded.
    How can i have an open mind about the bible yet ignore all the other religeons that ever cast their spell on mankind. What makes your “god” more valid for instance than any of the Egyptian “gods” Hindu Gods or the myriad others that came before yours and after yours.
    Are you, as a “masters” student in applied anything saying that the earth is about six thousand years old. The book you venerate so, says so.
    To call me ignorant baecause i dont share your beliefs,says a lot more about your closemindneedness than mine. I dont have any beliefe. I accept categorically the proof of science and research of Darwin, Newton, Einstein,Galileo and the thousands of other great minds produced by mankind. I cannot and can never put faith in mythology.
    You, on the other hand accept the paranoid beliefs and unfounded stories of ancient uneducated tribes of desert peoples, and i would fight to the death for your right to have that belief,so long as you dont try to make me believe it.
    Xian is, rather than an attempt to offend,altho im at a loss to know how that offends, merely shorthand for Christian, similar to the term xmas.Do you get up on your high horse about Xmas on Christmas cards.
    I have NEVER been called offensive names because of my Homosexuality, even tho i am an out and proud man in a deeply Christian country, Ireland.
    As for whether all catholics or christians are paedophiles or not , of that no one can be sure , but certainly the clerics from the xnazi paedophile protecting despot in Rome down to the lowliest deacon seem to be implicated in some very evil goings on over the last century.
    On St Patricks day in the Cathedral in armagh the paedophile apologist Sean Brady got a standing ovation from his congregation of committed catholics. No sympathy for the two children he forced thirty years ago to sign a confidentiality clause to protct the evil paedo cleric Brendan Smyth, who then went on to rape and defile dozens of children , boys and girls for twenty more years.Brady wasnt through yet tho, as he took part in another paedo protaction clause in 2000.
    As for Constantine and his promotion of Christanity, In 312 CE he commanded his troops to adorn their sheilds with christian symbols after a hallucination he experienced the night before, after eating mouldy bread. He had been exposed to or indoctrinated about the small christian sect by his mother Helen who was a follower.
    As for whether a historian could know details of a secretive cult such as that in Rome is open to some question , given the revelations of the last few years, or were they complicit in the coverup too. I think not.
    You think stories of making the blind see and the dead come back to life and walking on water arent made up…. well you rationalise that gibberish if you want.
    You think i hate JP Rawinligs because she wrote Harry Potter and all his spells etc…..i dont think so.
    I have no feelings of hate against any form of mythology whatever and have enjoyed greatly Greek and Irish mythology as a student.
    To call the History of religeon factual history, is deluded in the extreme.
    To say that the anihillation of entire peoples was misguided is a little naieve in the extreme….they knew exactly what they were doing. They done it for God and country oh and the “De oro”. Gold to me and you.

    Finally ….. its your perception that the posts on this site are hate filled, because they dont share your beliefs, delusional,or not. The posts on this site are rational views on the posts you made , nothing more or less. Hatred never entered into the discourse except in Your mind Which seems to be a wholly Christian trait when everyone doesnt agree with their twisted myths.

  145. David skinner – you are a homophobe on a LBG news site, I’m gay so why should I be the one to go?

  146. David, Skinner, you have spent LITERALLY days and days cutting and pasting on this forum, which is for Gay news stories. If you hate gay people, why do you spend your entire life on a GAY news website – or are you a bit twisted???

    So, considering your effort, how about you come out of the posting closet, and tell us who you are??

    Or are all christians deceptive manipulative pathological liars who clutch to extremely unscientific splurge to justify their bigotry and hatred of mankind.

    Each and every one of your postings, have included phraseology which is designed to mislead or mis-appropriate or mis-direct.

    Is that really being honest david?? I mean is it??

    Is not one of the many commandments in the bible – “you shall not bear false witness against your neighbour” i.e Don’t LIE?

    Or is it ok to use manipulative phraseology, which will mislead, but could be argued as being innocuous?? Is that really being honest??

    Or, even is it really being honest, when you selectively exclude any data which does not fit your bigotted narrative. Is that being honest??? Is that telling the truth??? Is it??

    Where do the LIES end and the truth begin David? Or have you forgotten what honesty is???

    My guess is you have no mates. Are you Davey Skinner ‘no mates’.

    If your behaviour on this website, is typical of what christians do, then the romans had the right idea.

    Methinks, Mr.Skinner, you give caring compassionate people a bad name

    As the slogan says “so many christians, so few lions”.

    Sad, so very sad.

  147. Oh, and David Skinner, one other thing; Here’s a wee reminder;

    From GOD himself (apparently!): Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy.

    Or are you just like many christians who pick and choose the commandments you follow, depending upon your own personal bigotry??

  148. “If you hate gay people, why do you spend your entire life on a GAY news website – or are you a bit twisted???”

    J Mathews, I tend to Occams Razor:- I suspect he has some “unresolved issues” here that he cannot address, hence this desperate insistence that he is here “save us” on a gay site. Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobic fear is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory – men who were found to be homophobic (as measured by the Index of Homophobia) were considerably more likely to experience more erectile responses when exposed to homoerotic images than non-homophobic men.

    No smoke without fire.

    Now watch and see the barrage of abuse that invariably comes forth from out little Schizo-Skinner as he does everything</b possible to dissuade that theory.

    Desperately, some would day.

  149. david skinner 28 Mar 2010, 6:58pm

    Mr J. Matthews: evidence Mr Matthews, evidence. Where is it; not in generalities, but particulars. ? As for Sunday, Jesus spoke about releasing donkeys that had become trapped in ditches, on the Sabbath. Looks like a lot of donkeys who are trapped on this site. Will for example is stuck on his occams razor.

    Patrick and Will, pardon me for cut,n’pastin two quotes from Einstein.

    “In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”

    “I’m not an atheist and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.”

    When Dawkins says that he could make a reasonable case for a deist God but not one in which he personally would believe, he is making himself the standard by which reason is to be measured. In other words he pre -empts this avenue of discussion by saying, don’t bother, trust me, anything that I don’t understand is not worth knowing. What arrogance!!! I suppose Richard Dawkins was there at the beginning of time and saw all this happening. But wait a moment, according to Dawkins there was no beginning, or one that we would understand as beginning. There is not the faintest possibility in his mind that there are things that he will never understand..
    He then talks about the complexity of creation, saying this was beyond a creator God : How could Jesus turn water into win ? But what does he offer in its place? Nothing. Nothing turns nothing into something; and out of that something comes, by chance, all the complexity of creation? Where is his scientific proof, or is this a step of blind faith? Turning water into wine is child’s play compared with what Dawkins proposes.

    In the world of the evolutionist there is no personality, no intelligence, no morality, no sin and significantly no will, no intent, no purpose – only matter. And yet irrationally he acknowledges sin and like David Attenborough he rails against a God that can cause suffering and death. But from where does he, or Attenborough, get this moral indignation, if all there is is a closed deterministic box of dancing atoms?

    Dawkins then deliberately misrepresents the Bible when he says that God came to pay for his own sins . Nowhere does it say that had to forgive himself . It was our rebellion against a Holy God that required payment. God required a perfect sacrifice and the only one who could offer that was someone who was himself without sin. As C.S. Lewis states in Mere Christian , “Only a bad person needs to repent: only a good person can repent perfectly. The worse you are the more you need it and the less you can do it. The only person who could do it perfectly would be a perfect person–and he would not need it.”

    http://www.philosophyforlife.com/mc09.htm

    Dawkins cannot live consistently with his philosophy. If he were really no more than some kind of advanced ape, why is he not simply content to be?
    Unable to see himself as a zero he elevates himself to an idealised level and Nature, (with a capital N) , the great mysterious and irrational Force, rolling on through the millennia, carries him on the crest of its wave. In almost mystical terms he will talk about the evolutionary complexity and majesty of the universe and of human progress- to that of becoming a god. Man becomes that than which no greater can be thought. Man is good. His human rights are absolute. His kingdom will come and his will…. will be done – even though there is no such thing a will. He will achieve absolute freedom.
    The advantage of such a belief is that it gives him all the thrills and comfort of a religion and a feel good factor about human nature; and yet if, in reality, he is a mere nothing- of no significance- then any shabby behaviour of his becomes inconsequential, simply because atoms cannot be held accountable; if he has no real free will and is determined and programmed by his genes, he cannot ultimately be held responsible for his actions. He elevates or minimise himself according to how it suits him. 21st century man, because of his technological wizardry, man conceives of himself as God, but his character is immature. He is a child in possessions of weapons of mass destruction.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERyh9YYEis

    Finally Patrick all that you put up is absolutely true about the history of the Church The fact that the Bible tells it as it is, ought to tell you that it is trying to tell you something. It does not attempt hide the human frailty of its heroes, like Moses, Samson -even Mary, the mother of Christ. And as for David – an adulterer and murderer, what are we to say? The underlying message of the Bible is that human nature left to itself is on self- destruct and needs a higher power to save itself; but before that can happen certain matters have to be cleared up and put straight. Repentance and forgiveness have to come before any regeneration can take place.

    Your problem and that of Will is that it is not understanding that is the problem, it is simply the will. No matter if everything there was to know about life were explained, it is still likely you would reject it. Do you think Satan understand less than you? Satan understands all that can be understood and yet he chooses to reject God.

    What’s the latest on the Wilkerson front?

  150. David Skinner . . . it is Sunday evening, and you posted once again on this site at 6.58 pm. If you were a “Christian” as you claim to be, you would be at Church; but instead you are frequenting “Gay” news sites again again and again. . . what does this really say about you?

  151. Come on, David. Get it off your chest. Tell us exactly why your gay boss annoyed you. Tell us why you really hate gay people.

  152. “The fact that the Bible tells it as it is, ought to tell you that it is trying to tell you something.”

    Oh, yes. A 6,000 year old earth, where black people were the mark “of the devil”, where slavery is moral acceptable, and so is the killing of people who eat shellfish, work on Sunday, and cursed his parents?

    Indeed.

    Ignoring the fact science has irrefutable proof against the 6,000 years old earth, and common sense (in those who have it) tells you the same, the rest of it is nonsensical rubbish.

    And only a mentally deranged moron like yourself cannot see this. You and a VERY small minority of silly, silly, people.

    “Your problem and that of Will is that it is not understanding that is the problem, it is simply the will. No matter if everything there was to know about life were explained, it is still likely you would reject it. Do you think Satan understand less than you? Satan understands all that can be understood and yet he chooses to reject God”

    Utter rubbish. I understand perfectly what the problem is here: You are a spiteful little creature, with no real education, understanding or intellect, and a belief that your latent “cured” homosexuality and illogical dogma will convince us all your right wing nazi idiologies.

    Ergo:- The problem here is you.

    Tell me Skinner, how DO you watch BBC programs about evolution and science, and the real creation of the earth? Do you think the entire world and their understanding of what is empirical and proven to be is out to lie to you, that people spend million perpetuating a ‘lie’, when all the time the bible has the “proof”?

    Go on, do explain this, I’m truly fascinated how you manage to live your wretched life with such enormous blinkers on.

  153. To repeat what Iris mentioned

    “Come on, David. Get it off your chest. Tell us exactly why your gay boss annoyed you. Tell us why you really hate gay people.”

    David tell us what happened between you and your gay boss to ignite such anti-gay vernom in you.

  154. Skinner..I notice that you studiously ignored my point about the age of the earth and the dinosaurs… How about it … lets have your “wisdom” on these points…………..

  155. Jean-Paul Bentham 28 Mar 2010, 11:26pm

    Even Hank makes more sense than you, David.

    As an art teacher, do you have a favorite color? A favorite painter?
    I’m curious, that’s all.

    Green tea? You can’t say we aren’t hospitable at PinkNews, eh.
    Unlike the Wlkensons B&B, our front gate really is open. Won’t you stay the night??

  156. Jean-Paul Bentham 29 Mar 2010, 1:32am

    Something quite similar to this Wilkenson “case” is happening in Canada:

    http://www.xtra.ca/public/Vancouver/Case_pits_gay_rights_vs_religious_freedom-8386.aspx

  157. David Skinner (75):
    “Skin colour is an unalterable state, unless…”
    “A person’s height, size and form, is an unalterable state unless…”
    “A person’s gender is an unalterable state, unless…”

    Good, good, David. You’re starting to think. “Unless” means you accept it is an alterable state.

    But you missed my point that it doesn’t matter whether you accept the biology of sexuality or not. These guest-house owners discriminated against a couple whose

    There’s no point in justifying discrimination by misquoting a book about a misguided religion of a non-existent god. It’s nothing to do with it.

    The law for some reason protects your right to hold bizarre and twisted beliefs, to the unreasonable extent that the rest of us have to make allowances for it. We have to do your share of “Sabbath” working if you don’t want to, subsidise your religious requirements in the work place if you demand it, let you wear funny clothes while we have to wear uniforms, and all sorts of other things.

    And the law requires you religious fanatics, like it or not, to desist from discrimination against gay people.

    Quid pro quo, isn’t it. (^_^)

  158. * r/whose/booking they had accepted.

  159. @Jean-Paul Bentham
    Interesting about the Vancouver case – seems very similar. Hope you’re able to keep us updated on the outcome.

  160. david skinner 29 Mar 2010, 8:52am

    tsuchan, “alterable” as in being deformed, perverted and diverted (as in diversion and diversity). Mr Mrs Wilkinson, I believe offered them single beds as did Tom Forest back in 2004. He too had to have police protection from rabid, slavering gays. What Suzanne would not have was sexual behaviour being carried on under her roof that undermined the very Christian foundations of her business. I trust that she also turns away unwedded couples, polygamists and other fornicators.

    Suzanne would also have the right to turn away Muslims who wanted to claim her B&B for Islam, an idolatrous religion. Why should she not also turn away immigrants from Gaytransvania who wish to impose sodhimmitude on this country?

  161. Well, Iris, John, JP:- Skinner seems to have taken a nice cup of Ovaltine, and disappeared.

    Perhaps he’s off researching new websites to cut’n’paste from? Ones that tell us that the dinosaurs were in the garden of eden and were all really, really bad (they are god’s favourite donkey), so god killed them all and made them extinct, ohhhh, about 5,000 years ago lets say. The fossils are just Jesus being funny.

    Or a site that tells us David Attenbrough and every other scientist, in association with every 6 year old primary school science student, is actually in a massive global conspiracy, which is in league with the ‘Homosexuals’, the EU, and the people who make HP Brown Sauce (the devils sauce – its in the bible – look it up), to over throw god and make the evil machiavellian Richard Branson the new master of humanity?

    Of course, if its on a website, it MUST be true….

    …and Skinner is so clever and smarts and stuff.

  162. No, spoke too soon.

    Feck it, forgot the Muslims… how could I have left THEM evil bastards out of the global conspiracy. Its SO obvious to anyone sane.

  163. “Suzanne would also have the right to turn away Muslims who wanted to claim her B&B for Islam, an idolatrous religion.”

    And no, she has no right to do so. Thats breaking the law. She has every right to be “offended” if that is what she wants, but if she wants to run a business, then she must follow the law in conducting that business. If not, then she can close, if thats what her conscience dictates. Simple solution.

    No surprise you’d be an advocate of breaking the law, Skinner.

  164. Good morning, David – although you’ve obviously got out of the wrong side of bed with that nasty little post at 160. I see your ‘I love you all’ veneer has fallen off quite quickly.

    But – do now enlighten us as JohnK and I have requested: tell us about your gay boss and why he enraged you so.

  165. Yes, I would like join Iris and John in asking too…. what happened David? Pray tell.

  166. Skinner, they were a legally civilly-partnered couple, so why should they have to accept single beds because of the Wilkinson’s outdated prejudices? YOU may not like the fact that under the law, they are in an arrangement legally equivalent to marriage but they are. If the Wilkinson and the other dweeb who pulled this “single beds” crap on them don’t like it, then they can close up. Under the law, they are not fornicators, you fundie jackass!

    As for Muslims, they also have the right to stay at any accomodation at which they have a booking. I don’t care for their religion but they DO have rights. You act as if the ONLY people who have rights are the Christians–and every time someone asserts their rights, you scream “persecution”! You are NOT being persecuted. You are being called on your insistence that the entire society should operate under YOUR backwards, prejudiced veiw of what and what should not be allowed. Sodhimmitude indeed! Get real, Skinner!

  167. david skinner 29 Mar 2010, 10:06am

    Let’s take it slowly :” who wanted to claim her B&B for Islam.” Nothing here about Suzanne not welcoming all into her B&B, Muslims and homosexuals included. She welcomes them as human beings, as long as they leave their ideologies in the car and do not try to impose them on her domain. In other words, like true guests they respect their hoste. Just as immigrants, coming to Britain from Islamic countries and Gaytransvania should respect the Christian host country of Great Britain.

  168. Get over it, Skinner! Neither gays nor Muslims, nor any other group have to bow and scrape to Christians. They are paying for a room in a B&B. Why do you Christians expect respect you will not give to others (“sodhimmitude”, “idolatrous religion”, “Gaytransylvania”)? The problem is that you want Britain as it was 50 or 60 years ago. Britain is not the country it was in 1950 and it is not ever going to be that way. I have an idea, go to church, say your bloody prayers, and worry about working out “your own salvation in fear and trembling”. The biggest problem with the Xtians is that they think that they own this country and if they do not, they should.

    You are a sad man, spending all your time either here or on fundie boards. You haven’t got yet that you will convert no one on here…but you will certainly give us all endless amusement.

  169. “She welcomes them as human beings, as long as they leave their ideologies in the car and do not try to impose them on her domain.”

    And lets take this slowly, law doesn’t seem to be your strong point:- all are welcomed as long as SHE leave her ideologies in the church and do not try to impose them on her PAYING business customers (not guests).

    If she cannot, then she can close.

    Its really that simple.

    Interesting you’re able or willing to answer our questions, David.

  170. Skinner advocates breaking the law and oppressing the human rights of the individual.

    And he thinks we’ll listen to his unique brand of religious “salvation”? Why on earth would we accept salvation “advice” from a proven liar and one who advocated criminality?

  171. I think that what I find most interesting is that for a religion which is supposed to be so big on humility, Christians tend to be some of the most arrogant people I’ve ever met. Notice that everyone is to give way to them. They do not have to compromise so much as an inch. That is arrogance, especially when people like the Wilkinsons are breaking the law. If you take issue with them and use what they consider an uncivil tone (which means if you aren’t acting all humble and admitting they are right and you wrong), you are being arrogant.

    I am done with even a pretense of kowtowing to the Xtians. My faith is the equal of theirs–at least the God and Goddess love all and accept all–as they are. So do I. Since the Lord and Lady do so, I can do no less. It was the faith of Britain before the Xtians came in and forced everyone to convert under pain of death. I consider my gayness as a gift from them and my spouse–well, had I not met and married her, my life would have been much the poorer for it. I stand before my God and God a free person, and not a trembling slave.

    I spent many years in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches and I have seen the homophobia and sexism that drive them both. 30 years of Christianity and I left, knowing there was something better. There is. I am proudly and happily pagan.

    You are absolutely disgusting, David Skinner. There is no warmth or kindness or love in you for others. All you have are bitter sermons you attempt to preach to those who don’t care. I am here with my love, happily enjoying life and thanking God/dess that I am no longer in the morass you call Christianity.

  172. Well said, Merlyn – particularly the first paragraph, which is spot on.

    DS – one’s sexuality isn’t an ideology (although I know you’d love it to be). That would fit with your Great Gay Conspiracy Theory, which you’ve previously compared to the Nazis and the Third Reich.

    But please – we’re all ears. Tell us all the details about your gay boss and exactly why he aannoyed you so much. While you’re at it, could you also confirm that you believe the world to be 6,000 years old.

  173. “Nobody, and no business, is above the law.” unless you are a church!

  174. DS – “no true scotsman” fallacy is an epic fail plus you are twisting to suit your evil agenda! sexuality is not an ideology! you show your stupidity more and more every time you rant

  175. also David – your bible says to obey the law and yet many cherry-pickers ignore that in favour of their own evil agenda

  176. Oh,Chester, that’s only laws they agree with are ones that reinforce their hatred and prejudice. If not, they think they can break them with impunity since they are man’s laws and not god’s. “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’a’ means thatever THRY construe to belong to Caesar.

  177. Sorry, meant “the only laws they agree with”…

  178. david skinner 29 Mar 2010, 2:12pm

    Iris, you have been patient. Concerning the age of the Earth: when the genealogy of Christ is described stretching back to Adam, there is the possibility that gaps might occur. Christ is repeatedly describe in the Gospels as the Son of David and yet quite obviously 1000 years separate the two of them. The seven days of creation might not be days as we measure them. In 2Peter 3:7-9 it says:

    “By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
    But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”

    But leaving that aside, this constant questioning about the age of the Earth, let alone the Cosmos, is a smoke screen. Even if Evolutionist like Dawkins were to discover that their measurements brought the age of the Earth down to considerably less than a billion years – even to a million, 40,000 or even 10,000 years, he and they would still deny that what brought it all into being was something outside of time and material constraints. There is no room in his laboratory for a lover, who has personality, will, and purpose to be measured. Is it really conceivable that such an almighty creator would contract himself to a span and allow himself to be weighed and measured? In one sense no, but in another yes, for that is exactly what happened when he allowed himself to be stretched out and measured on the cross.

    C S.Lewis, in Mere Christianity, chapter 4 says:

    “Ever since men were able to think, they have been wondering what this universe really is and how it came to be there. And, very roughly, two views have been held. First, there is what is called the materialist view. People who take that view think that matter and space just happen to exist, and always have existed, nobody knows why; and that the matter, behaving in certain fixed ways, has just happened, by a sort of fluke, to produce creatures like ourselves who are able to think. By one chance in a thousand something hit our sun and made it produce the planets; and by another thousandth chance the chemicals necessary for life, and the right temperature, occurred on one of these planets, and so some of the matter on this earth came alive; and then, by a very long series of chances, the living creatures developed into things like us. The other view is the religious view.* According to it, what is behind the universe is more like a mind than it is like anything else we know. That is to say, it is conscious, and has purposes, and prefers one thing to another. And on this view it made the universe, partly for purposes we do not know, but partly, at any rate, in order to produce creatures like itself–I mean, like itself to the extent of having minds. Please do not think that one of these views was held a long time ago and that the other has gradually taken its place. Wherever there have been thinking men both views turn up. And note this too. You cannot find out which view is the right one by science in the ordinary sense. Science works by experiments. It watches how things behave. Every scientific statement in the long run, however complicated it looks, really means something like, ‘I pointed the telescope to such and such a part of the sky at 2:20 a.m. on January 15th and saw so and-so,’ or, ‘I put some of this stuff in a pot and heated it to such -and such a temperature and it did so-and-so.’ Do not think I am saying anything against science: I am only saying what its job is. And the more scientific a man is, the more (I believe) he would agree with me that this is the job of science–and a very useful and necessary job it is too. But why anything comes to be there at all, and whether there is anything behind the things science observes–something of a different kind-this is not a scientific question. If there is ‘Something Behind,’ then either it will have to remain altogether unknown to men or else make itself known in some different way. The statement that there is any such thing, and the statement that there is no such thing, are neither of them statements that science can make. And real scientists do not usually make them. It is usually the journalists and popular novelists who have picked up a few odds and ends of half-baked science from textbooks who go in for them. After all, it is really a matter of common sense. Supposing science ever became complete so that it knew every single thing in the whole universe. Is it not plain that the questions, ‘Why is there a universe?’ ‘Why does it go on as it does?’ ‘Has it any meaning?’ would remain just as they were?”

    http://www.philosophyforlife.com/mctoc.htm

    As for my hatred of the world, the flesh and the devil, a surgeon loves the patient but hates the cancer – even within himself. Homosexuality, adultery, incest, fornication, bestiality and necrophilia are all cancers . In Matthew 5: 27 Christ, speaking to the crowd said,

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.” Nice one Jesus.

    As for my keeping the law, it is quite clear that Christianity and cultural Marxism, of which homosexuality is a material incarnation are mutually incompatible. Our Marxist government raised its standard twelve years ago, and the Church has not yet fully awoken to this fact. Unless it does awaken it will be driven underground, just as they are in their millions in oppressed regimes like those of China, North Korea and countless Islamic countries.

    I think we have finished this thread, but by all means you carry on.

  179. DS: “As for my hatred of the world, the flesh and the devil, a surgeon loves the patient but hates the cancer – even within himself. Homosexuality, adultery, incest, fornication, bestiality and necrophilia are all cancers . In Matthew 5: 27 Christ, speaking to the crowd said….”

    You hate THE WORLD? That is one serious hatred. I might use the word ‘hate’ casually in conversation sometimes (eg ‘I hate Marmite’) but I’d be hard-pressed to think of a SINGLE person or thing I hated – yet you hate the whole world? I’d respectfully suggest that it’s you who have the problem then…

    Although you go on to quote the Bible, the first bit of your sentence isn’t actually in the Bible, is it? YOU take homosexuality to be immoral and a cancer. Don’t dress your personal prejudices up in religion – that’s dishonest.

    And you still haven’t explained about your gay boss. I’m genuinely interested in what this guy did that enraged you so much.

    Thank you for answering the question about the age of the world. I find some relief in the fact that you’re willing, at least, to agree that the Earth is not 6000 years old.

  180. C.S. Lewis as a proof of the problems of science????? A fantasy author???????

    LOL. You idiot.

    “But leaving that aside, this constant questioning about the age of the Earth, let alone the Cosmos, is a smoke screen.”

    Ha! Classic. In other words, I don’t have a clue how old the earth is, and I’m making this nonsense up as I go along, not to mention afraid to say anything that can easily be proven wrong by science.

    “it does awaken it will be driven underground”

    Ohhh, this sounds interesting, when will this happen? Soon, I hope.

    And still he didn’t answer your questions Iris! What a surprise. And now he’s doe his flippant “I’m off” thing he always does when faced with something he’s unable to answer, or when cornered! I love it. Schizo-Skinner and his wandering mind, eh?

    LOL! Skinner, you’re priceless…. a complete and utter fool. In absolutely every sense of the word.

  181. CS LEWIS…….FFS… SOMETHING HIT THE SUN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!……………..You are a moron of unmeasureable proportions Skinner…..

  182. Oh, David, David, David. You seriously need help. I thought Veronica Leuken and the Bayside folks were nuts (there’s an evening of weirdness beyond one’s wildest imaginings awaits for anyone who wants to google Veronica Leuken and the Bayside visions), but you are another level of insane altogether, David.

    Hmmm, telling, though, that comment about the surgeon hating the cancer…even within himself. No wonder, then, that you hate and fight us so vehemently, then. Sometime what one hates in another is in him as well.

    As for the persecution nonsense, come off it, David. No one is persecuting Christians. Project much, do you? Last I checked that is considered paranoia. People are calling the Christians on their crap and the Christians don’t like it. I read the twaddle of you and your ilk on “Culture Watch” and all I can say is that if Bedlam were still open, you and all of them should be locked up there. You people are fixated on homosexuals and lesbians, especially the sex part. I spend no time wondering about straight sex. Why? Because I am not straight. I must say your fixation on gay sex would be quite interesting to a psychiatrist or psychologist. Get help, Davy because you are definitely headed off the deep end.

  183. CS Lewis was a xtian apologist from the back streets of Belfast,of the type you lay so much store in and he was almost as big an idiot than you are. I say almost because humanity has yet to produce a moron any bigger than you skinner.

  184. Jean-Paul Bentham 29 Mar 2010, 3:38pm

    JohnK, Iris, Will and I, as well as the others here, are waiting for your answer, David.

    What exactly happened between you and your employer to turn you against the legitimate claim that we nurture to gay rights as human rights?

    BTW, have you heard that Uganda’s Martin Ssempa has been discredited by the American religious institution that granted him an honorary doctorate degree?? No more “Doctor” Ssempa!!!

    Ssempa is now out on the proverbial limb, alone.

    I,m not gloating; just trying to show you where you will end up when we stop paying attention to you. We know why you come here regularly, and it’s got nothing to do with a divine mission.

    Only you has the answer to the question that is tormenting you, and we believe the run-in with your boss has left you in a state of post-traumatic stress.

    Talking about it will help. You’ll see.

  185. david skinner – it’s not finished as long as homophobes are about plus you are trying and failing to save face! homosexuality has been about for as long as there’s been people so quit lying and the propaganda! homosexuality isn’t a cancer unlike homophobia
    you fail to say why you think you can ignore your holy book when it’s convenient to you!! your bible says you must obey the law! if your church falls and vanishes then it’s thanks to your churches actions and teachings

  186. So what if you’re gay? Is it the end of the world? I doubt it. Where I’m at, the sun is shining, the birds are singing…the universe will not go into major implosion, nor will some big lightening bolt hit you if you admit it.

    Anyone who posts here with the frequency and vehemence with which you post is more than likely a repressed homosexual. I suspect everyone here understands what it is like to have to take that first step. You need to get over this hate and resentment and anger. What good does it do you or anyone else?

    Yes, I, too, would love to know what has left you with this deep hatred and anger towards GLBT people. Like Jean-Paul says, talking about it will help.

    You don’t even have to leave Christianity. God loves you as you are, despite all the weirdness you have been taught to believe. He doesn’t give a damn if you are gay, straight, bisexual, whatever. Honest, he doesn’t.

    I certainly won’t think less of you for being honest and coming out…being honest to yourself, to God and everyone else. I doubt anyone else will, either.

    Let’s opt for some truth here instead of nonsense, which if you don’t adress it, will not get better…you are headed for some deep trouble here, mate.

  187. David Skinner 29 Mar 2010, 6:18pm

    Iris, you are absolutely right; the first bit of my sentence, ”Christ, speaking to the crowd said,……” are indeed my words. I say this merely to set the scene which was the Sermon on the Mount. I then go on to quote Matthew 5.. You will notice I put quotation marks around the verses.

    I am not dressing up my rational reasons for hating all aspects of fornication and adultery in religion. But surely you must be aware of those, like Bishop Gene Robinson and rev Sharron Ferguson, who use the Bible to justify their homosexual practices. Why is it alright for them but not for me? When they misquote, distort and mistranslate passages in the Bible to defend their immorality its just fine, but when I quote Jesus Christ, I am accused of hiding behind the Bible. One rule for gays and another for Christians?

    The truth is that even non-Christians hold my views. We can argue against homosexuality simply on grounds of health and safety for the damage that it does in this life, let alone thinking of the eternal consequences. We only have to look at the words and lifestyle of gay icons, such as Ian Mckellen, Ben Summerskill, Peter Tatchell, Sue Sanders, Chris Bryant, Boy George, Elton John, Ben Bradshaw, David Mixner, Garry Frisch, Kevin Greening and Liam Nolland and so and so on to see the disfigured face of humanity. Ecce homo

    I don’t have to dress up my hatred for the way these individuals are perverting and corrupting our nation’s children, by hiding behind the Bible. What they do and say speaks for itself.

    As for personal prejudices, on what are your views based, apart from bigotry and going with crowd – with the zeitgest? Give me your universal, absolute and objective reasons for celebrating homosexuality. Please, I have spent quite a bit of time explaining my faith, world view, philosophy, upon which I base my values and morality, it is now your turn to tell me yours. Why are my views personal eccentricities, whilst your views are deemed to be self evident, objective and rational. There is nothing rational about the way gays punch way above their weight with regard to contracting sexually transmitted diseases or being promiscuous.

    As for hating the world, the Bible does indeed inform me as the nature of this world and its destiny.

    John 12: 25”The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.”

    John 12: 47,48 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.”

    John 15: 18 -20 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.”

    I shall leave you to search “ world” on this site.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-International-Version-NIV-Bible/

    As for the church disappearing, that does not look likely. It grows strongest where persecution is most severe. Just look at the unpromising start of the Early Christian Church. I prefer to take my chances on a frail raft that has survived and continues to grow in the rest of world rather than stay on the “unsinkable” Titanic.

    I think I must leave now for I may be hardening your heart rather than softening it. Perhaps I am doing more harm than good.

    living doggie

  188. Jaysus, he just keeps going on, and on, and on. Never answering a questions, just more awful cut’n’pastes.

    When you said you were leaving Skinner, its usually polite to do so.

    If you decide to come back, at least make a half-arsed effort to answer the questions put to you.

    “I think I must leave now for I may be hardening your heart rather than softening it. Perhaps I am doing more harm than good.”

    You flatter yourself. You will find no converts here. We were always resolved against your kind. And the more you preach your hate, the more we, and the public in general will oppose you. Its you who are doing us the favour by spouting this nonsense…. it alienates honest, good people. The more you talk, the more we win.

    Why do you think we are winning so many rights and equalities?

    I myself am looking forward immensely to the Civil Partnership law in Ireland with great relish.

  189. “When they misquote, distort and mistranslate passages in the Bible to defend their immorality its just fine, but when I quote Jesus Christ, I am accused of hiding behind the Bible. One rule for gays and another for Christians?”

    But they don’t distort, do they? They just give a different interpretation of the Bible than you do. You must be assuming you’re right… Well, if you take ‘sexual immorality’ to include homosexuality, then that makes it so much easier for you to ‘prove’, doesn’t it?

    “I prefer to take my chances on a frail raft that has survived and continues to grow in the rest of world rather than stay on the “unsinkable” Titanic.”

    That’s your choice, David, and I have no problem with you choosing that. But – again – you’re proving your own theory by assuming not being Christian is the equivalent of the Titanic. Yes, the Titanic sunk ergo non-Christians will. See, I consider it ot be the other way around…

    I’ll happily tell you about my views on LGBT people when you explain exactly why you hate gay people and what your gay boss did to provoke you so. Only fair, I think.

  190. Thank you for bringing that up, Iris. Yes, David, how about you tell us WHY and what caused you to hate GLBT people as you so obviously do. Oh and what on earth did your gay boss do to make you go on the way you do?

    And yes, David, there are other ways of looking at the Bible. You choose to look through a lense of hate and fear. Deep down, you may fear God, but you do not love him. You may THINK that you do, but no one who loves God would hate his fellow-beings as you do. And you DO hate them. Anger and hatred come through in every one of your screeds. So what happened to you to make you are as you aree?

  191. David Skinner says”When they misquote, distort and mistranslate passages in the Bible to defend their immorality its just fine, but when I quote Jesus Christ, I am accused of hiding behind the Bible. One rule for gays and another for Christians?” and yet it’s the homophobes who rely on misquotes, misinformation, distortions and mistranslations – I showed you a link earlier and you spouted a load of nonsense about why it was wrong which showed you have no facts or rational ideas. you show you are one of the types who think that bigotry etc is good and being told ‘no’ is persecution

  192. Ignore David Skinner, everyone, for God’s (!) sake. He is a paranoid megalomaniac who is feeding on your attention. Let the sad fool wander off to bother someone else.

  193. David Skinner 29 Mar 2010, 8:07pm

    Final go. Iris and Will
    I have no hate for people – only for the way they behave and the things they say – in fact for things that I sometimes say and do. I cannot believe that apart from me you do not have friends, family, colleagues who offend and hurt you. Do you never find yourself bemoaning the fact that the good you would do , you don’t do; whereas the bad that you would not do , you still do it. Believe it or not I have a friend who is afflicted with this homosexuality , but I do not encourage him in his ways.

    I shall now answer your question. It was whilst responding, in 2006, to the public consultation, put out by the Women’s’ Equality Unit of the Department of Trade and Industry, on the Proposals to Outlaw Sexual Orientation Discrimination in the Provision of Goods and Services, that I understood where this would lead our country.

    The pre- amble to this consultation was signed by Megg Munn and Alan Johnson, but the paper itself was directed by the anarchist lesbian Angela Mason .

    Preamble to Proposals to Outlaw Sexual Orientation Discrimination in the Provision of Goods and Services

    “The Government’s vision is for a fair society founded on equal opportunities for all, respect for the dignity and worth of each person and mutual respect between communities. Significant progress has been made over the past forty years – since the first anti-discrimination legislation was introduced – towards achieving such a society in which everybody can achieve their full potential, unfettered by prejudice or discrimination Anti-discrimination legislation has played a crucial role in driving this progress and setting the benchmark for acceptable behaviour in many areas of our everyday lives. We have just celebrated the thirtieth anniversary of the Sex Discrimination Act and will celebrate the fortieth anniversary of the first Race Relations legislation later this year. It is unlikely that British society would be as diverse and successful as it is today without these landmark pieces of legislation. More recently, we have made significant strides towards achieving equality for lesbian, gay and bisexual people. Since 1997, we have equalised the age of consent, repealed section 28 and outlawed discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation in the workplace. And just three months ago, we witnessed the first civil partnerships taking place across the United Kingdom. These changes represent a significant step towards making Britain a much fairer and more equitable place for lesbians, gay men and bisexual people to live. However, lesbian, gay and bisexual people can, and do, still face unacceptable prejudice in their everyday lives. Same-sex couples can find themselves turned away from hotels, or getting a raw deal from some other service providers, simply because of their sexual orientation .
    This situation is unfair and outdated. Gay men, lesbians and bisexual people should have the same basic rights and freedoms as heterosexual people. For this reason we intend to introduce regulations in October this year that outlaw sexual orientation discrimination by goods and services providers in both the public and the private sectors.”

    Signed : Meg Munn MP Rt Hon Alan Johnson MP

    But after twelve years in power the ultimate and lasting legacy of this government will be to have passed a law making it a criminal offence to practise the Christian faith, to harass, offend or incite hatred towards sodomy, to give free rein to the sexual appetites of any slobbering debauchee or sexual predator and finally to have given our children a reputation for achieving the highest record of unwanted pregnancies, abortions and sexually transmitted diseases in Europe. To continue along this path of releasing the reigns on constraint and self -control will result in an inevitable collapse of society.
    Assuming that I am hankering for a past, golden age that never was, some would accuse me of wanting to turn the clock back to the 1950s or even the 1890s. But I believe that we need to be more radical than that; we need to go back 2000 years to the words of Jesus Christ who was the rock on which our nation was founded . Tragically, that same rock will be the rock against which we will founder.

    Doubtless there are many who would say that nothing changes; that the symptoms of dysfunction listed above have always been with us. To me this seems a deliberate denial of the fact that life for children over the last forty and fifty years has decidedly become worse, irrespective of advances made in technology and so – called rises in the standard of living. . My own childhood and that of my peers was infinitely freer, less stressful or dangerous than it is today. Parents were free to let their children roam woodlands, streams and be out of their sight without fear of them being molested or violently attacked. A clerk to a juvenile court told me that he was witnessing crimes committed by children that were once rare in adult courts.

    It is our children who stand in the greatest peril from Ben Summerskill, Ian McKellen, Stonewall and outfits like the Terence Higgins Trust.
    It is our children who are at most risk because they are least able to defend themselves either from physical assault, peer pressure, crafty argument or the ability to discern real dangers. It is our children, who whilst their perceptions of the world and themselves are still forming, are the most easily corrupted and led astray. In order to effect this more easily, the government under the influence of individuals like McKellen, known to children as Gandalf, will take over the protection of children, historically the preserve of parents. Parents will have no say in what kind of sex education their children are given. Parents will be rendered helpless to save their children from the predatory homosexual brigade. Inevitably children will be removed by the state from those parents who will not sign up to the equality and diversity legislation in place. Our children will become mere goods and services offered to gays..

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09112411.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5469179/Catholic-mother-launches-legal-battle-after-son-placed-with-gay-foster-parents.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/4365171/Social-services-remove-young-children-from-grandparents-and-arrange-adoption-by-gay-couple.html

    You ask what motivates me? I would have thought that would be self evident without invoking some pseudo psycho- analytical theory. But maybe it is you who in childhood were hurt by someone – maybe someone close. There is indeed healing from that, from the one who heals, namely Jesus Christ. You only have to cry out to Him and He answers.

  194. David you have not ansewered our question !!!

    What went so drastically wrong with your gay boss, that it turned you into a fantatical homophobe ?

    Answers in less than two paragraphs. Please!!!

  195. David, GLBT kids do best if they are left alone and not bothered by God-botherers such as yourself. But then, you might not have people to actually fall for your ex-gay idiocy. Growing up, my biggest problems came from those who felt I should change. Well, here I am, 57 years old, a happily married lesbian. If people had left me alone to work through things, I still would have turned out lesbian. I just wouldn’t have all the other crap I am dealing with even all these years later. The biggest danger to kids are those like you, who want them to turn out the way YOU think is right rather than let them be free to be who they are.

  196. “Parents were free to let their children roam woodlands, streams and be out of their sight without fear of them being molested or violently attacked..” etc

    Maybe – I don’t know. But that’s utterly irrelevant to LGBT people, so why mention it? If we go back 2000 years, we’ll have slavery, a high infant mortality, people dying from minor illnesses, etc. I presume then, you’re simply referring to the MORALITY of 2000 years ago? But you’re not, you see. You’re simply referring to some Elysian ideal which never existed. It was only in mediaeval times that people started fussing about sex and sexuality, and getting their knickers in a twist about homosexuality (amongst other things: – sex could only be missionary, David. It’s ‘fornication’ otherwise…).

    “Parents will be rendered helpless to save their children from the predatory homosexual brigade. Inevitably children will be removed by the state from those parents who will not sign up to the equality and diversity legislation in place.”

    What? Like Ian Huntley? *rolls eyes* A paedophile can be straight or gay – most of them are straight…

    No parent will have their child removed unless they’re abusing them or the child’s in danger – that’s utter rubbish. Did the Race Act result in the removal of large numbers of children??

    If that’s what motivates you, then you need to take a step back. LGBT people are nurses, teachers, cleaners, lawyers – just normal people leading normal, uneventful lives. The only agenda I see at play is the fundie ‘christian’ one which is one of hate, intolerance and lies.

    But – you’ve still not explained about your gay boss and what he did to annoy you. Please do, David.

  197. Jean-Paul Bentham 29 Mar 2010, 10:29pm

    I really think you want to tell us, David…

    C’mon then…you need to talk, you know you do, and this is the perfect place and time..

    It’ll be OK, you’ll see.

  198. David Skinner – homosexuality isn’t an affliction, Gays aren’t predators either and kids don’t have anything to fear from gays but they should fear loonies like you

  199. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Mar 2010, 2:54am

    Indeed, I have hundreds of photos of me and my nieces and nephews playing on our living room floor and in the garden. They have never been afraid of me or my partner.

    Children are not born homophobic; they are taught to hate and fear by others around them.

  200. Excellent points, Jean-Paul. Children do have to be taught to hate. Why do you want children to learn to hate and fear, especially of those who do not have designs on them?

    Why do you assume that every gay or lesbian is out to harm children? Did your mother terrify you with stories of the boogeyman? You remind me of the Steven King story “The Langoliers”. Only the gay and lesbian “langoliers” are all in your mind, David.

  201. “You ask what motivates me? I would have thought that would be self evident without invoking some pseudo psycho- analytical theory. But maybe it is you who in childhood were hurt by someone – maybe someone close. There is indeed healing from that”

    So, every gay man has been abused? Schizophrenia, that’s blatantly obvious. But do you have a mental impairment in addition to this? Surely you see how ridiculous your statement are? If you don’t, please go get help… and not that “ex-gay” conversion help either, didn’t do you much good the first time.

    Why are we even answering to this lying fool? Its bad enough he’s a heinous human, but he lies like a 5 year old child, and his intellect is clearly beyond any capacity to learn, progress or adapt. The man is a basket case.

    Suffice that we are above him, and that if there is a hell, he will be spending a lot of time in it. Besides, I’d say Skinner is already in his own hell, one of his own making it seems, it must be truly awful to have to live in his skin.

    That gay boss of his must have really given him a good kick up the arrière…..

    ….Or spurned Skinners advances.

  202. David Skinner 30 Mar 2010, 7:33am

    Speaking of the powerful influence of the philosophy of Hegel in our society, Francis Schaeffer said in 1968,
    “Some forms of homosexuality today are…… a philosophic expression. One must have understanding for the real homophile’s problem. But much modern homosexuality is an expression of the current denial of antithesis. It has led in this case to obliteration of the distinction between man and woman. So the male and the female as complementary partners are finished. ……….. all antithesis and all the order of God’s creation is to be fought against- including the male – female distinctions…………… But this is not an isolated problem; it is a part of the world- spirit of the generation which surrounds us. It is imperative that Christians realize the conclusions which are being drawn as a result of the death of absolutes.”

    This has resulted in a destruction of categories, boundaries and morality. Everything is the same. Hence there is no room for discrimination, no difference: no good or bad, true or false, male or female, mother or child, parent or child, – no homo or even hetero. Neither is there any room for discretion or judgement of any kind. Far from families coming in all shapes and sizes, they will be scrapped altogether. Ben Summerskill is recorded as saying recently that marriage is “just an intellectual and academic name. “ How soon before the family also becomes just a name? Indeed in the world of politics we practically a have a one party state where all three, major parties converge onto the same ground.

    Hegel has been translated into political action both by Hitler and Marx. They are two sides of the same coin. In an article, entitled, Next Conservatism: What Is Cultural Marxism? William S. Lind, said,

    “Cultural Marxism began not in the 1960s but in 1919, immediately after World War I. Marxist theory had predicted that in the event of a big European war, the working class all over Europe would rise up to overthrow capitalism and create communism. But when war came in 1914 that did not happen. When it finally did happen in Russia in 1917, workers in other European countries did not support it. What had gone wrong?

    Independently, two Marxist theorists, Antonio Gramsci in Italy and George Lukacs in Hungary, came to the same answer: Western culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true, Marxist class interest that Communism was impossible in the West until both could be destroyed. In 1919, Lukacs asked, “Who will save us from Western civilization?” That same year, when he became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun government in Hungary, one of Lukacs’s first acts was to introduce sex education into Hungary’s public schools. He knew that if he could destroy the West’s traditional sexual morals, he would have taken a giant step toward destroying Western culture itself.

    “In 1923, inspired in part by Lukacs, a group of German Marxists established a think tank at Frankfurt University in Germany called the Institute for Social Research. This institute, soon known simply as the Frankfurt School, would become the creator of cultural Marxism.
    To translate Marxism from economic into cultural terms, the members of the Frankfurt School – – Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Wilhelm Reich, Eric Fromm and Herbert Marcuse, to name the most important …….argued that the working class would not lead a Marxist revolution, because it was becoming part of the middle class, the hated bourgeoisie. Who would? In the 1950s, Marcuse answered the question: a coalition of ( militant) blacks, students, feminist women and homosexuals.”

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6417.html

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11490.html

    No doubt the majority of gays, like yourself just wish to be left alone to live your lives quietly. This has been tolerated and permitted since the Wofenden report .
    But as Lord Monson said, during a debate, on the 3rd March, 2008 in the House of Lords, recounting a previous debate, fifty years ago, when the Wolfenden Report resulted in a relaxation of the homosexual laws:

    “Yes, the Wolfenden proposals are all very well, but they are the thin end of the wedge. The pendulum is bound to swing too far in the other direction. Mark my words, before many years are out, they”—the more militant homosexuals and not, of course, the ordinary discreet sort—“will demand not merely toleration for their sexual activities—no problem about that—but positive respect, even admiration, for them”. ‘To which I ( Lord Monson) replied, “Oh, come on. Nonsense. You’re being alarmist”. ‘With hindsight, I have to say that I was wrong and they were right.’”

    Jean Paul, Bentham, live your life in peace and quiet but when you say that you possess hundreds of photos of yourself and your nieces and nephews playing on your living room floor and in the garden, this is hardly an achievement. You do no better than Hitler, Stalin or Harold Shipman who also possessed hundreds of photographs of themselves in the bosom of the family.

    As “G.K. Chesterton once noted, “The secularists have not wrecked divine things; but the secularists have wrecked secular things, if that is any comfort to them. The Titans did not scale heaven; but they laid waste the world.”

    Pink legislation is laying waste to marriage, the family and our children. Just look at the state of Britain today.

    Jean Paul, live your life quietly. Be content; but don’t try to impose your life style on our children and grandchildren.

    On the question of my personal history, I understand that contributors here have quite a reputation for obsessively trying to find the personal details of those who oppose them. Indeed JohnK, Iris and Will are keen enthusiast in this area. Well I would not want to spoil the fun by giving away secrets. Keeping searching.

  203. “You do no better than Hitler, Stalin or Harold Shipman who also possessed hundreds of photographs of themselves in the bosom of the family”

    Interesting choices, Skinner. Hitler and Shipman were christian. Stalin was an oppressive murdering bigot, who wanted to consolidate power by using ideology. Just like religious extremists like you, Skinner.

    So, basically Hitler, Shipman and Stalin have more in common with the likes of you, then us.

    Skinner, live your life quietly. Be content; but don’t try to impose your life style on everyone’s children and grandchildren.

    “Well I would not want to spoil the fun by giving away secrets. Keeping searching.”

    Yep, afraid of the truth. How bizarre. That gay boss must have made a laughing stock of Skinner.

    I didn’t bother reading the rest, its just another silly cut’n’paste. Yawn. There is an old adage in computing: garbage in, garbage out – practically a definition of Skinners “efforts” here.

    Poor Skinner, he makes the baby jesus cry.

  204. “This has resulted in a destruction of categories, boundaries and morality. Everything is the same. Hence there is no room for discrimination, no difference: no good or bad, true or false…”

    That’s completely untrue. Some ‘boundaries’ needed removing – for example, the division between black and white people, and the division between men and women in the sense of WORTH – financial and otherwise. Removing these boundaries did NOT lead to any problems you might see around you.

    Francis Schaeffer was an American evangelist so hardly a neutral commentator. LGBT people have nothing to do with Marxism – I can’t believe I’m even having to tell you that. What kind of logic is that? I’m not a Marxist and the only Marxist I’ve ever met was white, straight and male. However, as much as I disagreed with his ideas, I did NOT have the ignorance to attribute them to his sexuality, gender or skin colour.

    How dare you mention JP Bentham in the same sentence as Hitler – that would be Hitler who referred to the Jews as ‘christ-killers… You are only demonstrating your hatred and illogicality. I expect you have a collection of family photos – are you no better than Hitler too?

    “Pink legislation is laying waste to marriage, the family and our children. Just look at the state of Britain today.”

    Crap. The rate of divorce is at its lowest for 29 years – so CPs have hardly wrecked marriage, have they? As CPS are relatively recent, all those children of single parents are the children of STRAIGHT marriages.

    “..but don’t try to impose your life style on our children and grandchildren.”

    You can’t impose a sexuality. My lifestyle is pretty much the same as yours was when you were working, I’d guess – without the hate, of course. I don’t go round informing people of my sexuality when I’m working or socially, unless the need arises. This is because most people don’t give a damn. They don’t judge people by their sexuality. I can only presume that your fear of visible gayness is to do with feelings inside yourself which you’re scared of.

    And, David, if you WON’T tell us what your gay boss did to annoy you, then could you tell us why? If he provoked strong feelings in you or did something that annoyed you, it’d be OK for you to get it off your chest. he must have made you very angry, and we’re struggling to understand why.

  205. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law is a link to what Godwins law is as david skinner repeatedly uses it, Jean Paul bentham isn’t evil unlike the people you mentioned – the mixing of evil and noin-evil is only ever done to demonise people like Jean-Paul! Hetero destroy their own family, legislation to be fair to LBG doesn’t affect that generally – other then when heteros acknowledge that LBg are not quite equal and protest
    but david needs to see conspiracies against him and his church for his world-view to stay and to work

  206. “I understand that contributors here have quite a reputation for obsessively trying to find the personal details of those who oppose them. Indeed JohnK, Iris and Will are keen enthusiast in this area”

    No, David. It’s just that I don’t like liars and hypocrites. If you appear on here trumpeting ‘the truth’ then at least have the guts to own up to your own PERSONAL prejudices.

  207. David,I don’t care if you live in Dorset or on the far side of the Moon – I’m not interested in persecuting you. I don’t stand outseide your church shouting at you; I don’t go on to Christian forums and post offensive untruths about Christians – because I’ve got my own life and I don’t hate anyone.

    I don’t need to search, thanks, I was only asking WHY you took against this man so much:

    David Skinner: “You are absolutely right about something happening in my life that gives me the energy to pursue this. I had a homosexual boss who for six years attempted to silence my views. I experienced at first hand his narcissistic, arrogant and vengeful character. The man, though highly talented ( as with many homosexuals) was a peacock. Secondly I had to distribute secular and humanist sex education to children in schools and I have seen the damage it has done in society, especially with regard to the destruction of the family.”

    http://www.nolanchart.com/article3864.html

    So you didn’t like this man because he followed the rules – or because he was gay…..?

  208. David Skinner 30 Mar 2010, 9:46am

    No Iris, I challenge you to find anywhere I say I hate gays. This is distortion which is another “d” I shall add to my list. I hate only the mental, emotional, social and spiritual disorder that the disability brings about and the way this is being used as a trojan horse for undermining our society. I really, really, absolutely must leave now. Keep reading my stuff and putting it up. I too have gathered plenty of information, which I could not have gleaned anywhere else – thankyou very much.

  209. Incidentally, Iris, this is Skinner’s Facebook page:

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=100026527879&topic=8880#!/profile.php?v=wall&id=1238555709

    As you can see, he’s a fond believer of what’s christian is always right – even when that ‘christian’ is an attempter murderer case – See:- Facebook Support Peter Harvey (All Saints’ R.C. School, Mansfield); Call for Reform – “that this one man is being vilified as the standalone scapegoat for the disciplinary shortcomings of the modern”

    Indeed. A scapegoat. Notice when its one of their own, then he HAS to be innocent, its a conspiracy seeking scapegoats. Also fascinating the way Skinner uses this forum to bluster his nonsense against innocent gay people, as if they’re related somehow to the case of this deranged man going to kill one of his pupils. A disturbing obsessive personality there, indicative of some seep seated physiological issues, when homosexuality is all Skinner can think about.

    How fascinating.

  210. David skinner wrote
    “I understand that contributors here have quite a reputation for obsessively trying to find the personal details of those who oppose them. Indeed JohnK, Iris and Will are keen enthusiast in this area”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David we have noticed that you have an obsessive reputation for self disclosure on the internet.

    If you really do not want the world to know about your sordid personal life, why do you broadcast it so prodigiously over the web?

  211. David you have not ansewered our question . . . once again!!!

    What went so drastically wrong with your gay boss, that it turned you into a fantatical obessessive homophobe ?

    Answers in less than two paragraphs.!!!

  212. John, I think the passage that Iris found, by Skinner himself, speaks volumes:

    “You are absolutely right about something happening in my life that gives me the energy to pursue this. I had a homosexual boss who for six years attempted to silence my views. I experienced at first hand his narcissistic, arrogant and vengeful character. The man, though highly talented ( as with many homosexuals) was a peacock. Secondly I had to distribute secular and humanist sex education to children in schools and I have seen the damage it has done in society, especially with regard to the destruction of the family.”

    Sounds like the man didn’t tolerate Skinner nonsense in the workplace, and quite rightly so, its a place of work, not a church, and employment regulations need to be upheld. And Skinner didn’t like to do what the law, and employer, required him to do, as we can see above, breaking the law is okay if it is your “conscience” is telling you to do so. And Skinner had an issue being told what to do by a gay man…. after all Skinner has a direct line to god, so who should tell him what to do?

    Skinner probably made a pass at him too.

    I’d say the man thought we we do:- Skinner is a utter freak, and needed to be put under psychiatric evaluation with an intensive course of atypical anti-psychotic drugs.

    Notice when we bring up things like this, he runs. Every time. Its like the way if an small child turns away and doesn’t look at you, then as far as they’re concerned you’re not there any more.

  213. david skinner claims “I hate only the mental, emotional, social and spiritual disorder that the disability brings about and the way this is being used as a trojan horse for undermining our society.” but gays aren’t disordered etc or undermining society as gays are a part of society, bigots like david do more to undermine society and destroy families
    secular and humansits do good for families unlike bigots and loonies who only see their own views as right plus who hurt and get others hurt or hurt others themselves

  214. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Mar 2010, 1:09pm

    Mr. Skinner:

    I don’t mind telling you that I was stopped once in my life for speeding uphill by the city police. I received a warning.

    I do not have a criminal record of any kind, and I can prove it.

    To my knowledge all my nieces and nephews, and one grand-niece, are straight, and they sure do appear to love their uncle JP, as I do them.

    And you sir, are a blockhead from whom any child should run.

  215. David Skinner wrote on a blog

    “You are absolutely right about something happening in my life that gives me the energy to pursue this. I had a homosexual boss who for six years attempted to silence my views. I experienced at first hand his narcissistic, arrogant and vengeful character. The man, though highly talented ( as with many homosexuals) was a peacock. Secondly I had to distribute secular and humanist sex education to children in schools and I have seen the damage it has done in society, especially with regard to the destruction of the family.”

    David when you say you had a “Gay Boss” who silenced your views, what do you mena by this?

  216. *** David Skinner wrote on a blog

    “You are absolutely right about something happening in my life that gives me the energy to pursue this. I had a homosexual boss who for six years attempted to silence my views. I experienced at first hand his narcissistic, arrogant and vengeful character. The man, though highly talented ( as with many homosexuals) was a peacock. Secondly I had to distribute secular and humanist sex education to children in schools and I have seen the damage it has done in society, especially with regard to the destruction of the family.”

    David when you say you had a “Gay Boss” who silenced your views, what do you mean by this?

  217. Just had a look at this lump heads photo on Facebook and i think i know why he is so bitter and twisted. With a face like that im not in the slightest bit surprised that he has no friends.
    That face demonstrates NO personality and a very cold heart. It is a face of sheer disappointment and deep hatred and demonstrates a life of unfulfilled dreams and ambition.
    A childhood spent in abject terror of someone possibly father, mother or both. It may be that as a child this man had no relationship with his parents, siblings or peers and immersed himself in the evil mythology of religion.
    i would be very surprised to learn that he has a broad educational background, as there is also a distinct impression of inferiority.
    Finally this persons face demonstrates a hidden conflict, which most likely is homosexuality which didnt surface until after his indoctrination by the mythology of Faith , hence the obvious and constant conflict.
    If this person has anyone who cares for him, which i seriously doubt, i would advise constant supervision because this person will, i am convinced, cause serious harm to himself or others in the near future. A period of incaceration in a secure institution is strongly advised, or at very least isolation from children or vulnerable adults.

  218. David Skinner 30 Mar 2010, 2:41pm

    Dear Jean- Paul Bentham, I do apologise for causing you offence and I am certain that your nieces and nephews love their uncle. But their love for you pales into insignificance compared to the love that God has for you; which was why He sent His son to die in your place; so that you might have unbroken fellowship with the Father.
    Jesus said, ” Come to me, all who labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 12: 28. By that he means not just laying down the burden of all our junk from the past but also our respectability and reputations. The whole lot has to go. In return Christ gives you His own clean clothes, his righteousness; but they have to be His and not your own.

    David Mixner, the most powerful gay man in America, apparently, was once asked if he thought whether gay sexuality was all about sexual passion or whether there was room for lasting relationships. Mixner answered , “ Well first of all I don’t see anything wrong with passionate relationships , or short term relationships if it is enriching ,and nourishing and exciting for the individuals involved, and healthy for both parties. I try not to put parameters around anyone else’s relationship if they are happy. But I think one the things that we have explored and maybe one the gifts we bring society is that because we have not allowed to be officially sanctioned our relationships – in a number of ways – then we have had to explore alternatives. And I think that in many ways that we are seeing that many in the heterosexual community are copying some of those alternative ways that people can be together, love each other in a healthy wonderful positive sense and the same time meet the needs of a very complex society in which we live in.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C_rS0OOGlk

    What does he mean by “alternative ways that people can be together” ? Is he talking about sexual relationships, such as with whom one has sex? Is he talking about sexual behaviour, such as what one does with one’s sexual members? Or both? If this is an invitation for straights to explore same sex, bisexuality, trans sexuality, polysexuality, would you object to this on the same grounds that Bishop Gene Robinson does ; that it is unnatural for straights to cross over? But if the straights say, I don’t feel comfortable with being straight any more, would you on the grounds of human rights, the freedom to choose, allow them try those “alternative ways.”

    If this is the case would you object to a “ homosexual” who was tired of his sexual relationships and behaviour, to choose to change to being straight.? Or is being straight an alternative that the gays will not allow – in same way that Muslims don’t mind converts to Islam but will not allow people to escape from it?

  219. “And you sir, are a blockhead from whom any child should run.”

    You said it JP…. especially when its not normal to be SO fixated on graphically disturbing images, as our dear old resident sicko Skinner is. Given his constant references to genitalia and the like, that says to me that Skinner is probably a substantial risk to children himself…. and yet he was let near children as a so called teacher. Something went wrong there.

    Ignore such debase comments from Skinner, I’m sure you nieces and nephews are delighted to have such a learned and loving uncle… rather then a sex obsessed extremist lunatic like him, one with delusions of the divine to boot. If I were a parent, I wouldn’t let Skinner within an inch of children. Thankfully ‘teachers’ like him are more monitored in schools now….

  220. “If this is the case would you object to a “ homosexual” who was tired of his sexual relationships and behaviour, to choose to change to being straight?”

    I can chose to be a pumpkin, but that won’t make me one.

    Sexuality is not a choice, despite what you CHOOSE to believe. To think one can change ones sexuality is simply an exercise in self delusion. Alls scientific evidence points to that, not to mention the entire gay population of the world, regardless of your silly cut’n’pastes.

    And to prove a point, in 1979, two of Exodus International’s co-founders, Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper, quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together. On June 27, 2007 Bussee, along with fellow former Exodus leaders Jeremy Marks and Darlene Bogle, each came out as gay or lesbian and issued a public apology for their roles in Exodus.

    Or Anthony Venn-Brown, who is a former Australian evangelist in the Assemblies of God and in Australia’s first ex-gay program. In 2007 he co-ordinated the release of a statement from five Australian ex-gay leaders who publicly apologized for their past actions.

    And Peterson Toscano, an actor who was involved in the ex-gay movement for 17 years, now with Christine Bakke co-runs Beyond Ex-Gay, a support website for people coming out of ex-gay experiences.

    Hmmm… doesn’t seem even the “ex-gays” believe this “conversion” nonsense.

    What about Dr Aubrey Levin, who worked as chief psychiatrist in the country’s military in the 1970s and 1980s. Most of his reported subjects were young white men, some of whom claimed they had been subjected to electric shocks and hormone treatment to ‘cure’ them of homosexuality…. and now Levin has been suspended from practising and faces charges of repeatedly indecently assaulting a 36-year-old man.

    Curious. Even the “ex gay counsellors” are repressed homosexual. I would think this makes us better, more stable, people then you or Mr. Levin.

    And then there’s you Skinner… someone with an obsessive fixation on homosexuality (to put it mildly), who spends so much time on a gay site, and advocating the “pleasures” of “conversion”…. and you have no issues? No? Hmmmm?

    The lunatic protests too much, me thinks….

  221. david – alternates to marriage like co-habitating etc, you claim to teach yet you can’t even comprehend basics like reading
    not everything in life for others is about sex yet again you fixate on sex

  222. DS: “I too have gathered plenty of information, which I could not have gleaned anywhere else – thankyou very much. ”

    Just a pity that you’re unable to comprehend it then, David…

    People have patiently replied to you, sometimes correcting information you’ve posted, sometimes showing that that information is open to interpretation, telling you bits about themselves to show that they’re just normal people – yet you wilfully (or ignorantly) ignore every word that doesn’t coincide with your world view.

    Your gay boss is obviously a sore point with you. Being generous, I can understand that you may have had disagreements in the delivery of school policies, but I can NOt – however hard I try – understand why this is in any way related to this man’s sexuality. All I can think is that you as, I presume, a straight man, considered yourself more of a man than him because he was gay, and so your pride was dented when he seemed to triumph over you.

    FYI – there’s no reason why sex education should be ‘Christian’ any more than Maths. Sex education is part of health education and is not supposed to be religious any more than algebra.

    Your vendetta (and I know that’s a strong word, but I feel it’s justified) against gay people is clearly motivated by your PERSONAL hatred. I don’t think you realise how bizarrely you come across to any casual readers of this site. Take a step back and think about it – for your own sake.

  223. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Mar 2010, 5:17pm

    If there is a God, and if God is a He, and god is love, I can’t of any better way to experience love than through the people who surround me…nieces, nephews, friends, neighbors, pets, etc. Otherwise, love is just a concept, innit.

  224. David Skinner 30 Mar 2010, 6:32pm

    Will,

    The examples you gave ignore the many that have made the transmission. Some make the transmission successfully, some struggle and go back a few paces but then make progress. Some fail; and some have no desire to change.

    You don’t mention or acknowledge those who have made the transmission. It’s not that you cannot believe it; you don’t want to believe or worse still not allow anyone else to believe it, presumably because this will be letting the side down.

    http://www.narth.com/menus/search.html?cx=007457206426124633447%3Adybvfspccfw&cof=FORID%3A11&q=Michael+Bussee+&sa=go#426

    http://www.gaytostraight.org/Home.asp

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article6990013.ece

  225. David Skinner 30 Mar 2010, 6:33pm

    One of the objections to healing is that the only reason that a person feels uncomfortable with the gay lifestyle is because of societal pressure and that, if society were to be a little more accepting, gays would no longer experience bi – polar depression, suicidal and all the rest of it. But as we have seen recently with Garry Frisch, Kevin Greening, pop stars and their partners – those who have it all – they still commit suicide. It is never allowed that someone might choose to alter their orientation simply because they wish to. Consequently we have the situation where societal pressure from gay psychiatrists like Michael King and the Media is forbidding those wishing to escape, to do so.

    http://www.ccfon.org/mediacentre.php?avid=197&avap=1

    Sharron Ferguson certainly seems to have issues that need sorting out; one of which is being able to sort out her left hand from her right, apples from oranges and black people from gays. Is she so lacking in confidence that she keeps having to identify with coloured people, the left handed, sheep, penguins and Jews in the holocaust. Can’t she stand on her own feet and maybe whilst she is about it control her tongue.?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1nD6N6DY3Q

    Any decent rugby players learns to kick with both his right and his left foot. I read of a boxer who was trained very young to punch orthodox but then discovered he felt more comfortable punching southpaw and so now he can switch to either.

    I believe that in the trade they call this practice , practice and practice.

  226. David Skinner 30 Mar 2010, 7:00pm

    No Jean Paul, the love you experience, not just from people, but also in the daily blessings you recieve from the natural environment, are all an expression of God’s love. His rain and sunshine fall on the just and the unrighteous. He loves everyone equally.
    King David, 3000 years ago, even though he blew it big time, on more than one occasion was able to pen Psalm 139
    O LORD, you have searched me
    and you know me.
    You know when I sit and when I rise;
    you perceive my thoughts from afar.
    You discern my going out and my lying down;
    you are familiar with all my ways.
    Before a word is on my tongue
    you know it completely, O LORD.
    You hem me in—behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.
    Where can I go from your Spirit?
    Where can I flee from your presence?
    If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
    if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
    If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
    if I settle on the far side of the sea,
    even there your hand will guide me,
    your right hand will hold me fast.
    If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me
    and the light become night around me,”
    even the darkness will not be dark to you;
    the night will shine like the day,
    for darkness is as light to you.
    For you created my inmost being;
    you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
    I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
    your works are wonderful,
    I know that full well.
    My frame was not hidden from you
    when I was made in the secret place.
    When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
    your eyes saw my unformed body.
    All the days ordained for me
    were written in your book
    before one of them came to be.
    How precious to me are your thoughts, O God!
    How vast is the sum of them!
    Were I to count them,
    they would outnumber the grains of sand.
    When I awake,
    I am still with you.

  227. Jean-Paul Bentham 30 Mar 2010, 8:15pm

    I can’t think of any better way to experience love than through the people who surround me… my patner of 20 years, nieces, nephews, friends, neighbors, pets, etc. Otherwise, love is just a concept, a concept invented by humans.

  228. David it is interesting that you quote Psalm 139, and curious. Any one so dedicated to the bible and Christianity, one might assume would be an avid and commited church goer. David this Sunday what did we find? . . . we found you posting homophobic comments on pinknews in the morning and the evening, at times when any committed Christain would be at church worshiping God.

    David you are clearly not a Christian
    David you are clearly not a man of God
    David you are clearly not a man of holiness

    David your actions on this site Sunday morning and evening, highlights that the only spirtual concern in your heart are your litanies of homophobia.

  229. David Skinner wrote
    “One of the objections to healing is that the only reason that a person feels uncomfortable with the gay lifestyle is because of societal pressure and that, if society were to be a little more accepting, gays would no longer experience bi – polar depression, suicidal and all the rest of it. But as we have seen recently with Garry Frisch, Kevin Greening, pop stars and their partners – those who have it all – they still commit suicide.”

    David do heterosexual not suffer from mental illnesses?
    David do heterosexuals not commit sucide?
    David do heterosexuals not experience societal restrictions?

  230. David Skinner wrote on a cyberblog

    “You are absolutely right about something happening in my life that gives me the energy to pursue this. I had a homosexual boss who for six years attempted to silence my views. I experienced at first hand his narcissistic, arrogant and vengeful character. The man, though highly talented ( as with many homosexuals) was a peacock. Secondly I had to distribute secular and humanist sex education to children in schools and I have seen the damage it has done in society, especially with regard to the destruction of the family.”

    David when you say you had a “Gay Boss” who silenced your views, what do you mean by this?

  231. “Any decent rugby players learns to kick with both his right and his left foot. I read of a boxer who was trained very young to punch orthodox but then discovered he felt more comfortable punching southpaw and so now he can switch to either.”

    So YOU can easily become gay?? The example you gave is an example of skill – anyone can learn a skill. Sexuality – as you’ve been told time and time again is innate. People are born with their sexuality and can hide it, deny it, choose to remain celibate – but CAN’T change.

    You go on and on about ‘ex-gays’ but I bet you every one of those ‘ex’ gays STILL has an attraction to the same sex. Hiding something isn’t changing. I can hide my green eyes with brown contact lenses, but that doesn’t make me a brown-eyed person – just a green-eyed person in disguise.

    That’s an absolute anathema to you, isn’t it? The idea that people are born gay. It HAS to be a ‘lifestyle’ or a ‘choice’ else your criticism is shown up for what it is – petty, nasty and hateful. Funny, isn’t it, how so many species on Earth are ‘choosing the gay lifestyle’. Fuuny isn’t it how I can try and try to conceal my gayness from a researcher, but they can still see it in my involuntary physical responses?

    You haven’t responded to my point about Marxism – that it’s in no way related to being gay. Does that mean that you’ve revised your opinion?

    And – I know you think we’re having a go, but we’re not – we really ARE genuinely interested in why your gay boss made you so annoyed. I’ve disagreed with my boss (staright male) before, but I wouldn’t have dreamt of blaming this on his heterosexuality, any more than I’d have blamed it on his height.

    What did this man do that made you so set against gayness?

  232. plus people commit suicide thanks to homophobes like david skinner

  233. David Skinner 30 Mar 2010, 11:36pm

    Iris, I was not born a heterosexual. There is no such creature. It is a mythical Darwinian invention. I was born male. There are only two forms to all animal related life : male and female. And tell me, why is it always acceptable to believe that change only goes in one direction : from being heterosexual to becoming gay; but never from being gay to becoming straight?

    You question my use of football players and boxers who can use both left and right hand extremities with which to act, and yet you would probably go along with Sharon Ferguson who frequently identifies being gay with being left handed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1nD6N6DY3Q

    Is being left or right handed; left or right footed, innate or a skill?

    One writer has said, “Dr. Neil Whitehead is a reputable American research scientist who has authored over 120 published scientific papers. His book “My Genes Made me do it” (1999) is based on a comprehensive 13-year review of over 10,000 scientific papers and publications on homosexuality. He writes, “Geneticists, anthropologists, developmental psychologists, sociologists, endocrinologists, neuroanatomists, medical researchers into gender, and twin study researchers are in broad agreement about the role of genetics in homosexuality. Genes don’t make you do it. There is no genetic determinism, and genetic influence at most is minor.” Genes determine the body’s structure and function and not behaviour or attitude. This book is freely available online just click here.” http://www.mygenes.co.nz/.

    For some being gay is not a choice; for others it is. A baby born to a drug addict can itself be born with a dependency. It can hardly be said to have chosen to be an addict; whereas, adults can choose. I am convinced that the paths to homosexuality are as long as a piece of string, just as they are to so – called heterosexuality. The emotional hunger, in a young boy for male affirmation, when puberty kicks in, fixes the orientation. It is also well known that the brain changes according to the way we behave. Tax drivers are known to have that part of the brain that deals with mapping, enlarged. So we could say that it works the other way; that our behaviour changes our biological structure!!

    As for gay bosses. Sexuality or machismo has nothing to do with it. I have found that many homosexuals are atheists and naturally their view of truth, morals and existence is at odds with my basic presuppositions. Some LBGTs claim to be Christians. They, like Sharon Ferguson or Bishop Gene Robinson, dress up in funny clothes and spout religious words but they are pagans and pantheists dressed up as Christians. Wolves in Sheep’s clothing.

    You have never told me what philosophical spectacles you put on when you view the world. Do you view truth, morals and existence, using the presuppositions of Voltaire. Hume, Nietzsche, Rousseau or Bertrand Russell? If you cannot tell me, it is more than likely that you just go with the flow – a flow by and large informed by Hegel. I know what informs my view of the world and am able to articulate it. When life becomes turbulent, I can enter the captains cabin, as it were, look at the instruments and charts and know pretty well where I have come from, where I am and where I am headed.

    One thing, and one thing only, in favour of Peter Tatchell, is that he defends freedom of speech. He respects someone holding a personal opinion that has the possibility of being just as objectively true as his own position. When I am told to keep my personal opinions to myself, in public meetings, as though these are eccentricities, I regard this as overweening arrogance and ignorance of worst kind.

  234. David Skinner wrote
    “As for gay bosses. Sexuality or machismo has nothing to do with it.”

    JohnK’s response
    David you make your self look like a liar in face of the evidence.

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “I have found that many homosexuals are atheists and naturally their view of truth, morals and existence is at odds with my basic presuppositions.”

    JohnK’s repsonse
    So you boss was at odds with your views . . . so what

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David skinner wrote
    Some LBGTs claim to be Christians. They, like Sharon Ferguson or Bishop Gene Robinson, dress up in funny clothes and spout religious words but they are pagans and pantheists dressed up as Christians. Wolves in Sheep’s clothing.

    JohnK’s Response
    David what makes you think you can call your self a christian, when you obviously do not attend chruch on sundays; because you are too busy posting hatred on pinknews.

    Secondly your heart is so full of homophobic hatred, that you make of mockery of the Christain message of love, tolerence and compassion.

    Thirdly, we have revealed not only what a bare faced liar you are, but also what a spineless individual your really are.

  235. David . . . since you appear to have no shame. You reveal what a morally and spirtually bankrupt person you are.

    David homophobia has so eaten away at your heart, that you have to lie, and think we will not notice.

    David you have the audacity to come onto pinknews and warn us that we might lose our soul. David your lies and hatred point to the state of your soul.

  236. David . . . when are you going to repent of your homophobia?

  237. Just a though on all this god malarki

    God made man in the image of himself correct?

    man corrupted their minds when adam and eve ate the apple from the tree of temptation correct?

    God is the creater of all things both material and imaterial including the fallen angel who took shape as the serpent to tempt adam and eve to eat the fruit of the tree correct?

    Therefor if God created satan with the knowledge of being gay or being evil god himself must of had this knowledge, therefor had made impure thoughts to have gained said knowledge, so in conclusion this whole god theory has too many holes in it to stack up. and regards the b&b owners they should be closed down, i own a business and I am not allowed to refuse work,goods or services based on a personal opinion of somebody. To run a business you have to conform to the laws and rules that are put in place by the government that this country freely elected. if you dont like it then move to another country…..like iraq or afghanistan, see how the christians like to be discriminated against.

  238. I have been happily married to a wonderful woman for nearly three years now and the love I have for her grows every day. Not only love but respect. David, not everything is sexual. Relationships often have a sexual component. If the relationships are consensual then it is between the couple what sex there is–if any,what kind of sex, and how frequent, etc. I have noticed that successful couples are not only lovers but best friends. In my case, friendship came before falling in love but the friendship endures.

    It is not GLBT people but the homohaters who reduce everything to sex. To me that is far more obscene than anything a loving couple might do in their bedroom. I have yet to meet a GLBT person who thought that straight sex is perverted or dirty. No, they don’t go that way personally, but they can see that some people do and that is OK. But people of your outlook, David, focus on the sex alone. I have read many comments by homophobes and what they cannot get past is the sex. I guarantee that when I am with straight friends what they may do in bed with their SO or spouse is the LAST thing on my mind. In short, I don’t care. Neither should you.

    Jean-Paul, it’s great that you have a wonderful relationship with nephews and nieces. Enjoy! No matter where love comes from, it is wonderful and to be enjoyed as part of our all-too-brief time here. I know if I had children, I would feel them far safer with you than Mr Skinner. Sorry, but your obsession with sexuality worries me, mate, especially where children are involved.

  239. Jean-Paul Bentham 31 Mar 2010, 4:02am

    Merlyn:

    What a nice thing to say…about your partner, relationships and finally, ‘moi’. Blushing.

  240. Jean-Paul Bentham 31 Mar 2010, 8:22am

    @Nathan 237:

    M-m, a real corker, that one.

    It’s the man-made-deity-requires-human-sacrifice thing that stumps me though.

  241. David Skinner ignores hermaphradites for example plus people can be born gay and other sexualities! sexuality isn’t like dependancy etc, lesbians, gays and bisexuals who are atheists are more truthful and moral then you TBH! If someone says they are a Christian then they are and you attack others for arrogance yet you arrogantly decide who’s Christian

  242. David Skinner 31 Mar 2010, 8:42am

    JohnK, being a Christian does not mean following a set of rituals or wearing certain clothes or saying certain words. Being a Christian is a circumcision of the heart; it is essentially a relationship with God.

    For you to claim to know what I do or don’t do on a Sunday, from where you are, is presumption of a most extraordinary kind. Are you both omniscient and omnipresent? Who are you in your lowly state to tell me what services to attend and what time I should attend them? How do you know whether I attended or how I attended church on Sunday? You presume too much.

    Luke 14:1 -6 One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. There in front of him was a man suffering from dropsy. Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the law, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?” But they remained silent. So taking hold of the man, he healed him and sent him away.
    Then he asked them, “If one of you has a son or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull him out?” And they had nothing to say.

    JohnK , you also say,
    “you make your self look like a liar”
    “what a bare faced liar you are, but also what a spineless individual your really are.”
    “You reveal what a morally and spiritually bankrupt person you are.”
    Sounds like a lot of hatred here. Is the law on incitement to hatred written so that only gays and Muslims can say what they like?

    Nathan, no one offering goods and services is duty bound to offer them indiscriminately to all and sundry. Would you, knowing that a man was an Islamic terrorist, allow him into a hotel or onto a plane? Likewise homosexuals and their friends in the government are terrorists whose aim is to deconstruct marriage, the family and in the process to destroy our children. I am not talking about your quiet queer couple who just want to be left alone to get on with life as best they can. I am talking about the goose – stepping mob at London Pride and all the other attendees of Pink , Nuremberg – style rallies ; those who wish to invade our schools and living rooms.

    Civil disobedience was practised by Ghandi. Do you criticise him? Our democracy and freedom of conscience was won in Britain by people like Latimer, Ridley and Cranmer being prepared to be burnt to death. Christ was crucified because he broke the law big time.

    There is a civil war on, I have simply chosen which side I am on. I would have thought that this was obvious. I am merely claiming the human right to choose which side I am on and am prepared to take the consequences. I hope you are, for consequences there will be.

    Jean Paul, if love is merely a man made concept, then so is evolution.

    Merlyn, two elderly sisters living together are denied inheritance rights extended to a trans gender and his former wife – even though they now no longer have sexual relations.

    http://www.christian.org.uk/issues/2008/family/sisters_29apr08.htm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-563303/Transsexual-husband-annuls-marriage-enters-civil-partnership-wife-pension-benefits.html

    There must be a lot of people living under the same roof who can claim that they live in close harmony and companionship without having sexual relationship. Can they claim the legal benefits of being married or being in a civil partnership? Perhaps these sisters should have claimed that they were in a lesbian relationship. After all , incest is now as acceptable as homosexuality and it won’t be long before it too becomes a human right and is decriminalised.

    What makes me smile is the way gays cannot stand talking about sex. (“No Sex we’re British”), when the word sex is clearly part of the word homosexual.
    That old fox, Ian Mckellen, though pedalling kindness in our schools, reads out in public, the poem, by James Kirkup, the “Love that Dares to Speak its Name, by way of celebrating the repeal of the blasphemy laws. This poem is, by any standards, pornographic and obscene. He then supports a headmaster, Liam Nolan, in Perry Beeches School, Birmingham, whose past – time is dogging in beauty spots.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfsBEMFgqGs

    This behaviour in turn is championed by Sue Sanders of Schools Out. Sex education in schools has been reduced to a manual on how to do it without contracting STIs or becoming pregnant.

    Homosexuals do indeed separate sex from personal relationships. This is called dualism. Sex becomes a mere mechanistic activity.

    Christ spoke twice as much about sex as he did about the poor, simply because the sexual act lies at the heart of any marriage between a man and woman.

    Genesis 2: 21-25 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman, ‘ for she was taken out of man.” For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.”

    Ephesian 5 :25- 31 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”

    Paul in his letter to the Corinthians (6:14-20), talking to Christians who were not Jew s but had come out of paganism, where homosexuality and fornication were rife, said,

    “The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
    Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body.”

    Just in he same way that the sex act could not be separated from the entire joining of a man and woman in holy matrimony, so neither could Christ’s words be separated from who he was .
    John 1:1- 4 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it…………14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

    Homosexuality denies the fundamental complementary, bi- nominal, unity that exists between the body, mind and spirit that can only be expressed between a man and woman.

  243. David Skinner (160):
    “tsuchan, ‘alterable’ as in being deformed, perverted and diverted (as in diversion and diversity)”

    David, do you own a dictionary, in fact? [Commercial link]

    David Skinner (160):
    “Mr Mrs Wilkinson, I believe offered them single beds as did Tom Forest back in 2004″

    All this endless clap-trap, David. And it turns out you haven’t even read the news story properly:

    Pink News (and BBC) reported:
    “Ms Wilkinson told the BBC: ‘They gave me no prior warning and I couldn’t offer them another room as I was fully booked.'”

    David Skinner (160):
    “He too had to have police protection from rabid, slavering gays.”

    Oh, diddums, now you’re getting upset, aren’t you. Your arguments are turning into common abuse. Are we getting to you, David? Are you going to cry?

  244. Jean-Paul Bentham 31 Mar 2010, 9:01am

    Does Lord Shiva agree with that? or not.

    oh…good morning to you too.

  245. DS: “The emotional hunger, in a young boy for male affirmation, when puberty kicks in, fixes the orientation.”

    That’s simply rubbish. Apart from the fact it ignores girls (as usual), many, many boys grow up in single parent homes with the majority of these boys living with their mother. Therefore – according to your idea – these boys, devoid of a male figure, become gay. Except they don’t… The percentage of gay people hasn’t changed even though society has – ie an increase in single parent families. How children are raised has no effect on their sexuality.

    “When life becomes turbulent, I can enter the captains cabin, as it were, look at the instruments and charts and know pretty well where I have come from, where I am and where I am headed.”

    Wrong. You can consult the charts which you believe to be correct – but you have no idea whether they are. You might have faith and trust that they are, but you cannot know for sure. You also cannot know whether the captain’s cabin you’re in is the correct one. Those of other religions would enter a different cabin and consult different charts.

    I like your analogy there because life is a voyage for all of us. But it’s up to each of us to navigate it according to our own beliefs (while respecting other people’s). But some things aren’t a matter of faith or belief – they’re facts. So to question a fact isn’t expressing a belief, it’s simply mistaken. See how the Church absolutely INSISTED that science was wrong and that the Earth was the centre of the universe. It killed people for saying otherwise. Even when the evidence weighed against it, it still persisted in its belief. That’s pride.

    Thank you for explaining that a major reason you disliked your gay boss was that he was an atheist. Did you know that for a fact? Also, he was behoven to deliver school policies as the law or guidance required. Therefore, why did you see his delivery of sex education policy as a deliberate ‘anti-Christian’ thing?

    Finally, you ask about my philosophy. It seems as though you’re asking me to list an author or text. Well, I admire and agree with various authors on a variety of subjects, but my own basic philosophy by which I lead my life contains two major points (in no particular order):

    1) Be tolerant of others that are simply different from you and realise that you can’t tell whether someone’s good or bad by their gender/age/race/sexuality/ability, etc.
    2) Treat others as you would want them to treat you.
    3) Educate yourself and have a curious mind.
    4) Make the most of each day.

    Those are broad statements and obviously I could expand on the detail, but that should suffice for now.

  246. *Yes, obviously I meant FOUR points there! Time for another coffee!

  247. David Skinner 31 Mar 2010, 9:46am

    Iris, Seems we are now talking. Or is this like when the Germans and British had a game of football during the first world war, at Christmans time and them started shooting at one another the next day.

    I must leave off now as family commitments are demanding my undivided attention . A blessed Easter you and all
    d

  248. again you drip with arrogance and “ad hominem” attacks like claiming people are lowly,
    you say :Nathan, no one offering goods and services is duty bound to offer them indiscriminately to all and sundry. Would you, knowing that a man was an Islamic terrorist, allow him into a hotel or onto a plane? Likewise homosexuals and their friends in the government are terrorists whose aim is to deconstruct marriage, the family and in the process to destroy our children. I am not talking about your quiet queer couple who just want to be left alone to get on with life as best they can. I am talking about the goose – stepping mob at London Pride and all the other attendees of Pink , Nuremberg – style rallies ; those who wish to invade our schools and living rooms.”

    but LBG people aren’t terrorists and anyone can’t say you aren’t allowed at a B& B due to being LBG! marriage, families and kids are not being deconstructed or any of the other lies you claim, people only want to be open and honest and yet bigots like you wouldn’t accept or even allow that, I’ve already shown you Godwins law!

    people don’t always want or have to talk about sex yet again you fixate on sex as what matters!
    spirits are bodiless and same-sex relationships are as good as hetero,

  249. David Skinner wrote
    “JohnK, being a Christian does not mean following a set of rituals or wearing certain clothes or saying certain words. Being a Christian is a circumcision of the heart; it is essentially a relationship with God.”

    JohnK’s response
    David a circumcision of the heart is mutilation of the heart. David mutilation leads to a grotesque and hideous deformity . . . David this is your world view. David this is why you are in pain. David, it is a hell of you own making.

  250. David Skinner wrote
    “JohnK you also say,
    “you make your self look like a liar”
    “what a bare faced liar you are, but also what a spineless individual your really are.”
    “You reveal what a morally and spiritually bankrupt person you are.”
    Sounds like a lot of hatred here. Is the law on incitement to hatred written so that only gays and Muslims can say what they like?”

    JohnK’s response
    David you have chosen “Fundamentalist Christianity so that you can legitimize carrying on your vendetta of hatred towards your boss.

    Instead of getting over that episode with him, you have transferred these feelings to every gay on the planet. Instead of a mature response which would be to get over it, instead you have decided to carry on this vendetta towards your boss through you obsession with pinknews.

    This is not Christian; Christianity is about forgiveness and the process of forgiveness. Not only are you not prepared to forgive your boss, you are not even prepared to enter into the process of forgiveness. David this is not Christian, David you are not a Christian as you claim to be.

  251. David Skinner wrote
    “Homosexuality denies the fundamental complementary, bi- nominal, unity that exists between the body, mind and spirit that can only be expressed between a man and woman.”

    JohnK’s response
    David “Bi-nominal Unity” is a euphemism for “Co-dependence”.

    David there is nothing healthy about gender stereotypes.
    David in the 21st century men and women are liberated to express both their feminine and masculine sides with less fear of ridicule or harassment, or requiring another person of the opposite gender to express these traits for them.

    David gender does not necessarily correlate with masculine or feminine traits. David we can observe a continuum of masculinity and femininity; there are some very feminine men and some very masculine men; equally there are some very masculine women and some very feminine women. Moreover, neither does this necessarily correlate with ones sexual orientation either.

    David your “Bi-nominal Unity is a another world for “Gender Restriction”, “Gender fascism” or simply “A Gender straight Jacket”

    David your fundamentalism appears less about Christian precepts, and more about heterosexual orthodoxy; albeit a rather 1950s model of men and women

  252. “It’s not that you cannot believe it; you don’t want to believe or worse still not allow anyone else to believe it, presumably because this will be letting the side down.”

    No, its nothing to believe in. I am gay. I know I was born gay. So does every other gay person, its not a belief its a fact. A reality. And a proven entity.

    As you claim ‘not’ to be gay (sure you’re not), how do you know I wasn’t born gay. Unless you ARE gay, and you CHOOSE to BELIEVE you weren’t born gay, and you think by trying to convince us, you are convincing yourself. This si the most likely option – Occam’s razor. Although, you’ve been proven to utilise lies and false claims to prove your point. You clearly are suffering from a mental condition, that much is obvious. So anything you say is usually a lie, or a deranged belief system. The truth is, no-one really believes or listen to you or your kind any more. Its really, really irrelevant what you think. If you’re gay, and in here spouting this nonsense, it truly is a pathetic thing to see especially given your age. Truly pathetic. The so called “ex-hay” moment is collapsing, and your mind with it.

    And why can you not answer questions? Afraid? Afraid of what we’ll think or say? Why can’t you state how old the earth is, unless you really don’t believe that you think you believe….

    Even your god believes you’re irrelevant, as as far as I’m aware, someone with your vengeful hate, will never reach the gates of heaven, no matter what you protest here.

    Either way, you’re irrelevant. Howe does that feel, Skinner, to be irrelevant?

  253. “Jean Paul, if love is merely a man made concept, then so is evolution.”

    Show me your proof evolution is a “concept” that, by your implication, is not real. I want to see the science, not stupid quotes dreamed by in a book by a power hungry Roman Emperor.

    Go, on, the proof.

    If you can’t, its just another of your delusional lies, isn’t it?

  254. “Iris, Seems we are now talking”

    David, I’m happy to talk to you. I don’t see you as the enemy – just misguided and afraid of gay people when you don’t need to be.

    I meant to ask about the gay friend you mentioned somewhere above. You didn’t say whether he was also a Christian or whether you accepted him for what he was (is he leading a happy life as a gay man?) or tried to persuade him that he could change his sexuality. More details (general, of course) would be interesting.

  255. Andrew Q #72 “being gay is FAR more natural than religion” That should read “Being gay is natural, religion is not”.PERIOD.

  256. This thread should be re-named.

    THE SKINNER MONOLOGUES.
    or
    FARMING TODAY; SKINNER’S ACRES…AND ACRES AND ACRES of print.

    Sweet J.C..!
    Keith

  257. Keith – thanks for helping out with your fantastic and witty nomenclature. . . what star!

  258. Keith – thanks for helping out with your fantastic and witty nomenclature. . . what a star!

  259. JohnK..

    Ha.

    No witittittiyness intended.

    Just bored with his posts…as in bored to ckuff..!

    No wonder shares in Horlicks have gone down; I have stoppped buying it; I just log on, find Skinner’s bilge and ZZZZ I am in the Land of Nod in a jiffy.

    SELL YOUR HORLICKS SHARES…SELL!!! SELL!!!! SELL!!!!!! SELL!!!!!!

  260. Jean-Paul Bentham 31 Mar 2010, 9:38pm

    @ D. Skinner, 226:

    You say:

    “No Jean Paul, the love you experience, not just from people, but also in the daily blessings you recieve from the natural environment, are all an expression of God’s love. His rain and sunshine fall on the just and the unrighteous. He loves everyone equally.”

    M-m-m. Rain and sunshine… floods and forest fires…hello divine blessings!

    Gnats and mosquitoes…hello divine blessings.

    Viruses and allergies….hello divine blessings.

    Hey, mudslides, earthquakes, volcanoes…hello divine blessings.

    Hello, poisonous spiders and snakes….blessings all.

    Man-eating sharks, oh it’s raining dinosaurs…hello divinity.

    Ingrown toenails, dry skin, cancer….divine all, free for all.

    Book of wisdom, Upanishads…m-m-m…meaning of life…mental masturbation…feels so g-o-o-o-o-d. again, please.

    Kill the infidels…divine mercy.

    Burn the flesh; save the sole…er, soul….be blessed, my child; I’m doin’ ya a favor by killin’ ya. That’ll be $10,000 puh-lease.

    Alley-lou-yaw, Alley-you-yaw…come sing praise…alley-alley, alley-oop.

    Come along Wilkenson’s…ain’t life grande. Blessed illusions and all, then it’s back to business as usual. You and you, but not you. Yawn.

    Oh it’s wholly weak time. Sprinkle, sprinkle…here eat this and have a drink….hic. No it don’t come in roast-chicken flavor…just vinegar. Take it or leave it,,,but if you go…don’t look back to Sodom.

  261. Jean-Paul Bentham 31 Mar 2010, 11:19pm

    D. Skinner:

    If you mean what you say about not hating gays, plese sign this petition and introduce it to members of your christian community. The USA are presently circulating a similar petition.

    Ali Hili must travel:

    http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.com/2010/03/changeorg-launch-petition-for-iraqi.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IraqiLgbt+%28IRAQI+LGBT%29

  262. David Skinner 1 Apr 2010, 3:29pm

    Yes Paul , we take notice of death when it is dramatic and sudden as that associated with the Titanic, The twin Towers, Tsunami or the recent disaster in Haiti , all of which suddenly carried away hundreds of thousand lives and yet the death toll from driving, smoking, HIV, abortion and starvation in poverty-stricken countries, far exceeds that number- by millions each and every year- yet passes with hardly a moment‘s notice These deaths, especially abortion are not an act of God but the act of man. But then people say, if God is God why doesn’t he intervene and stop us from our self – destructive ways? Or why doesn’t he the reverse the consequences of our actions. But if God were to do this we would be nothing more than robots, without the freedom and dignity to make decisions of our own. The so called-human right to be autonomous and choose would become meaningless and you no doubt would be the first to complain.

    But surely the biggest outrage is death itself that occurs daily. In the last week, I have attended three funerals These deaths are barely acknowledged. It is almost as though we ask people to slip out the back and to close the door quietly without disturbing us. Their passing is signified- if at all- is by only a few words in the obituary columns.
    Mark Twain said; “Men are born, they labour and sweat and struggle; they squabble and scold and fight; those they love are taken from them, and the joy of life is turned to aching grief. The release comes at last and they vanish from a world where they were of no consequence …. A world which will lament them a day and forget them forever.”
    But even if the deceased are mourned, death is made to lose its sting by words of comfort that are pronounced at funerals, such as the familiar words of Henry Scott Holland, Canon of St Paul’s Cathedral 1847-1918, in the poem, “All Is Well“, that starts with the words,

    “Death is nothing at all; I have only slipped into the next room. I am I and you are you. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still”,

    or those of the anonymous writer, who wrote,

    “Do not stand at my grave and weep I am not there, I do not sleep I am a 1,000 winds that blow I am the diamond glints on snow I am the sun on ripened grain I am the gentle autumn rain When you awaken in the morning’s hush I am the swift uplifting rush Of quiet birds in circled light I am the soft star that shines at night Do not stand at my grave and cry I am not there; I did not die.”

    No doubt quite a few evolutionists would sign up to this pie in the sky, but there is not a shred of scientific proof that this this true. But neither is there a shred of scientific proof in my belief that death is unnatural – that death is the consequence of rejecting our creator. I cannot prove this scientifically; I have to take it on faith – not blind faith but faith based on the evidence. Just as evolutionists’ beliefs in evolution, are based only on the evidence. In choosing to reject God and go it alone, we have to pay the consequences. But suppose this was not the entire story. Suppose that earthly death is only a down payment, an instalment for a second death, a place without God, without love, with light, a place of utter dread, isolation and constant terror for ever. 2 Peter 3:3 -10 says,

    “First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
    But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.”

    This presupposes that the whole human race is condemned to perish – eternally. But the Bible also says,
    (“not wanting anyone to perish,“) …… “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” John 3 16- 18.

    C.S. Lewis says in Mere Christianity chapter 10 says:
    “Why is He not landing in force, invading it? Is it that He is not strong enough? Well, Christians think He is going to land in force; we do not know when. But we can guess why He is delaying. He wants to give us the chance of joining His side freely. I do not suppose you and I would have thought much of a Frenchman who waited till the Allies were marching into Germany and then announced he was on our side. God will invade. But I wonder whether people who ask God to interfere openly and directly in our world quite realise what it will be like when He does. When that happens, it is the end of the world. When the author walks on to the stage the play is over. God is going to invade, all right: but what is the good of saying you are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else–something it never entered your head to conceive — comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left? For this time it will be God without disguise; something so overwhelming that it will strike either irresistible love or irresistible horror into every creature. It will be too late then to choose your side. There is no use saying you choose to lie down when it has become impossible to stand up. That will not be the time for choosing: it will be the time when we discover which side we really have chosen, whether we realised it before or not. Now, today, this moment, is our chance to choose the right side. God is holding back to give us that chance. It will not last for ever. We must take it or leave it.”

    It is all very well for David Attenborough to make films of extreme cruelty and savagery in the natural world and then to question the existence of God. He seems to dwell on this aspect more and more. But I haven’t noticed him rolling his sleeves up in order help with the disadvantaged. Christians are accused of being weak and needing a crutch but who is it working amongst the poor in the difficult places of the world? It certainly isn’t Attenborough. Do we take it that Wilberforce, Shaftsbury, Booth, Eric Liddell, Jim Elliot, Corie Ten Boon, and countless other Christians were weak and feeble- minded?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Liddell

    Finally Jean Paul, I have invariably found that it those speaking from the comfort of their armchairs, who question God’s existence; whereas those in the thick of disaster are the very ones who declare God’s greatness. Or would you call these people also weak – minded?

    http://www.christianstogether.net/Articles/190483/Christians_Together_in/Christian_Life/Current_News/Haiti_three_days.aspx

  263. CS Lewis A horrendous Northern Irish bigot and xtian apologist…………….You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now Skinner.!!!!!!!!!

  264. Jean-Paul Bentham 1 Apr 2010, 5:53pm

    @262:

    Ali Hili has and can continue to save lives in Iraq..

    Being thwarted by the Wilkensons is one thing; what is happening in Iraq is the same thing on a larger scale.

    Please sign the petition and pass it on.

  265. Jean-Paul Bentham 1 Apr 2010, 6:31pm

    Unless you’re in favor of the death penalty; in that case, forget it.

    hxxp://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/death-penalty-report-china-must-end-secrecy-surrounding-sentences-and-execut

    Are you in favor of the death penalty, Mr. Skinner?

  266. David Skinner 1 Apr 2010, 6:36pm

    Patrick, it seems to me that I am expected to give a reasoned defence for my view, but that contributors, like yourself,think that merely making a statement is sufficient to make a case. Could you expand,please?

  267. Jean-Paul Bentham 1 Apr 2010, 6:56pm

    Then you are in favor of the death penalty.

    And perhaps your comments would be more intelligible if you were to follow Patrick’s example above and keep it short. But then, cutting & pasting can become compulsive, eh.

    Green tea?

  268. I have no intention of debating with a sick and deluded person like you Skinner, because to debate with you would only give you the impression that your arguments have credibility, which they clearly don’t. Do not address me again Skinner.

  269. Jean-Paul Bentham 1 Apr 2010, 7:07pm

    Come down from your ivory tower, sir:

    hxxp://www.amnesty.org/en/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity

  270. David Skinner 1 Apr 2010, 7:36pm

    Sorry Jean Paul, but I am unable to sign this petition, for all manner of reasons.
    I did some time in a prison – as a teacher, I might add- and every Monday afternoon I would teach in the Vulnerable Prisoners section. Invariably these were paedophiles who had to be protected from the others. I believe that part of the hatred directed at these pathetic individuals was that they acted as a lightening rod, for transferring the guilt of the other prisoners away from themselves and onto them. They can point to someone whom they think is morally worse than themselves . In the same way, I believe that the woman caught in adultery and dragged before Jesus, acted as channel to redirect the guilty consciences of her accuser, the Pharisees, onto her.

    I believe that the same happens in Muslim countries. The religious leaders lead hypocritical lives and, when they are probably guilty of the same behaviour,
    what better scapegoat to find than homosexuals? I believe homosexuality is common in Islamic countries, probably because all the women get cornered by the rich men, leaving a lot of poor men, to cope as best they can.

    You might find this interesting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTwR5LCem3M

    But were Britain or any other country to recognise homosexuality as a legitimate reason for seeking asylum, then anyone could gain entry into Britain simply by waving the homosexual card. They would have to prove that their homosexuality was either a legitimate expression of an ideology, such as Hegelianism; in which case they would try to claim asylum on the grounds that they were persecuted for their ideological beliefs; or they would have to prove that their homosexuality was akin to being racially persecuted. But there is no tribe or race of homosexuals; neither has any ever existed.

    But why would I support the homosexual agenda when in fact it is the homosexual lobby under Ben Summerskill, Stonewall, Angela Eagle and Chris Bryant et al who are already using public money, humiliation, heavy fines, police intimidation, and the threat of prison to persecute anyone who opposes their pink fascist/ Marxist idealogy ? It is more than likely that Christians will be seeking asylum, god knows where, from Britain very shortly.
    Who is going to replace all the charities, including adoption agencies, that Stonewall is getting shut down because these charities and other Christian agencies won’t sign up to the Equality and Deviancy legislation. What charities do the gay lobby support apart from their own, like the Terrance Higgins Trust and those connected with trying to combat AIDs and HIV?

    This family has just found asylum in America, after being persecuted in Germany for refusing to allow their children to be forced in the state schools to view objectionable material that includes explicit lessons on sex, the promotion of the occult and witchcraft and an effort to teach children to disrespect authority figures.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=122464

    There are literally hundreds of thousands of Christians, even as I type, who going through the most dreadful persecution in Muslim and communist countries, and yet I never hear of Peter Tatchell speaking up on their behalf.

    I certainly don’t go along with hanging homosexuals, or stoning them for that matter, but where does that happen in Britain?

  271. Jean-Paul Bentham 1 Apr 2010, 7:37pm

    Here is something the easter bunny left for you, Mr. Skinner:

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/03/23/ottawa-coulter-speech.html

    Patrick is absolutely right to turn his back on you.

    You are not only boring, you are harassing us and disrupting our debates by provoking us and inciting hatred against us.

    Shouldn’t you be gay-zing at the new moon or something? Thrashing yourself into a bloody stupor like a fervent Xian?? Some bedazzled believers are actually crucified this time of year.

    I know, I know…. in the grand scheme of things, what is a human life??

    Speaking of which, we all know that you are not fighting for your life here, David, you are fighting for your so-called art.

    Now please don’t take that the wrong way.

  272. #270.

    What, Mr. Skinner, is a “lightening rod..”…?
    And you a teacher..!

    And while I am at it, there is no need to go to any Islamic country to see hypocrisy at work.
    Canal St, here in Manchester is alive with young, muslim men in the clubs, half of them stoned out of their craniums.

    And don’t they just love the karaoke, partic. on a Monday night.

    Another case of “do as I say and not as I do…!”

    Keith.
    SALFORD

  273. Jean-Paul Bentham 1 Apr 2010, 8:28pm

    @270:

    “But were Britain or any other country to recognise homosexuality as a legitimate reason for seeking asylum, then anyone could gain entry into Britain simply by waving the homosexual card.”

    Please get real, sir:

    hxxp://www.amnesty.org/en/refugees-and-migrants

    This isn’t the first time I see a man with bright prospects go to religious fundamentalism and end up a complete wreck.

    Again, don’t take that the wrong way, Mr. Skinner.

  274. David skinner wrote
    “But were Britain or any other country to recognise homosexuality as a legitimate reason for seeking asylum, then anyone could gain entry into Britain simply by waving the homosexual card.”

    JohnK’s response
    David do people never not enter the country waving the “Heterosexual Card”?

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David skinner wrote
    “They would have to prove that their homosexuality was either a legitimate expression of an ideology, such as Hegelianism; in which case they would try to claim asylum on the grounds that they were persecuted for their ideological beliefs; or they would have to prove that their homosexuality was akin to being racially persecuted. But there is no tribe or race of homosexuals; neither has any ever existed.”

    JohnK’s response
    David you are now rambling incoherent as you fire you thoughts off in all directions; higlighting that you are not educated in the art of reason and debate; but also lack an ability in argument and analysis beyond “O” level.

    David when you say you were an art teacher . . . presumably you mean teaching assistant.

  275. U finished..?

    Please don’t stop now Dave…

    Just a few more posts for me, please, to download and print off.

    I am re-papering my piss-nook and am just a yard or two light to finish the job.

    K

  276. Skinner, you are simply and purely a disgusting human being. People are being murdered in this world for the simple fact that they are GLBT. Yet you start whining again about the “persecution” of Christians. In case your less-than-formidable “intellect” hasn’t yet got the point, these individuals are often facing death for the fact that they exist. You have the nerve to compare Christianists being called on their hate, bigotry, and the belief that their bible gives them the right to discriminate against people of whom they do not approve (not even approaching the threat of prison or death, which is when I would defend them, though I do not approve of THEM) with GLBT people who may face death for who they are and who they love. Being a member of a given member of a religion is a CHOICE, one’s sexual orientation is not.

    I guess “Thou shalt not kill” is one of those conditional commandments, eh? If the person meets your criteria, it is OK to try to obtain asylum and it would, obviously not be OK to kill him, or to approve of his murder. However, since these individuals are GLBT, it’s fine for them to be persecuted and murdered. How happy I am that my Lord and Lady are not like your God.

    When I saw the requests for you to sign the petition, I thought, “Not Skinner. He wouldn’t want to look as if he approves of us in any way, even to the point of urging shelter for GLBT people in danger of death.” Thanks for not letting me down. I thought you are a jerk and a moron–good to know my radar is working.

  277. Sorry, I meant “and if he does not, it’s OK to approve of his murder and even murder him.”

  278. Jaysus, Skinner still here???? O-B-S-E-S-S-E-D!

    I have to say, is it just me, or are his posts are now becoming even more like gibberish? He seems to have a greater difficulty explaining all the reason he hates things. From racism to homophobia. He’s also ignoring nay questions that might challenge his rather fragile world view.

    No doubt the condition he has, perhaps schizophrenia given he matches all the symptoms, prevents anything entering the mind that might shatter the constructs he has mentally put in pace to protect his fragile mind.

    We really need to stop engaging his as someone who is worth debate, or capable of intellectual reasoning.

    The man is beyond salvation, and he is beneath us.

    We need to cut him loose.

  279. Jean-Paul Bentham 2 Apr 2010, 6:34pm

    The man is in a prison of his own making.

    He longs for the grace of sweet companionship, the charm of pleasant conversation, and all those gentle humanities that make life lovely.

    I could be wrong, but it seems to me that his marriage has failed him there, and I’m not sure the wife is to blame. It happens.

    Had he signed the petition, things would have turned out differently for him. His choice.

    Goodbye, David Skinner.

  280. Best thing is to close the thread..period. I don’t think he (skinner) has the intellectual capacity to follow to other threads where his bile would be irrelevant.

  281. This could have all been avoided if they simply informed all guests they are not allowed to use the rear entrance.
    I make this clear in my B&B and never get any gay couple looking for a room.
    Is just makes things easier for everyone.

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