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  1. Gay rights are human rights
    Its just a shame that Iraq doesnt believe in human rights

  2. BrazilBoysBlog 24 Mar 2010, 10:31pm

    …Yes.. and an even bigger shame that the UK adopts clearly double standards on this issue. It is nothing short of criminal that they could even think about sending someone back to a near-certain death. This is a clear breach of our international obligations.

  3. Let us not forget the reason behind this tragic story: TONY BLAIR’S LIES SUPPORTED BY GORDON BROWN. Send this vile mobos psychopaths packing at the next election.

  4. Jean-Paul Bentham 25 Mar 2010, 12:50am

    Why oh why is it so difficult to think of ourselves as part of the global gay community and to act accordingly??

    A word or two to MP’s. Is that really asking too much??

    Thank you Paul Canning.

  5. I feel very bad for gay people living over in Iraq, I had only assumed that in such a place homosexuality would have equaled prison/death sentence, but I never knew it was that bad..

    I tell you.. its terribly scary and depressing that no one are people over there hunting gays like they were witches or something, but the fact that you know over here some fat stuffy politician/ religious leader is gonna be patting them on the back for it..

  6. paul canning 25 Mar 2010, 2:55am

    Don’t just comment – act. We can beat them and help Iraqi gays get the word out, get support and through that save some lives.

  7. I still believe Tony Blair and George W. Bush should be arrested and put on trial in The Haque for war crimes. No matter how we look at it the Iraq war was illegal. All this Chilcott inquiry will do is probably say “Mistakes were made but No one person was to blame”

  8. Mihangel apYrs 25 Mar 2010, 12:52pm

    So why aren’t Bradshaw, Bryant, and boy Milliband screaming their tits off about this: we actually have some leverage here, especially, surely, through our best friend the USA?

  9. Pumpkin Pie 25 Mar 2010, 12:58pm

    It’s so very evil that the government refuses to help these people, despite having directly caused their suffering. Britain now owes an astronomical debt to all the people who have suffered and died as a result of their criminal invasion of Iraq (and America’s debt is even bigger).

    I’ll take part in the petitioning, too.

  10. Jean-Paul Bentham 25 Mar 2010, 1:07pm

    Mihangel’s right; we do have some leverage here. It just takes a minute to back gayasylum, sign a petition and get Ali Hili into Europe where he can do a tremendous amount of good for our gay brothers in Iraq.

    You can call them war crimes or crimes against humanity. Fact is, Gay Rights are Human Rights. ‘Nough said, you know the rest.

    Also, Paul Canning is no slouch.

  11. Hmmmm, now lets see what the ever so pro-gay David Cameron and his allegedly evolved party are going to do about it after he’s elected with the approval and abetting by his gay apologists and xenophobes. NOTHING! No better than Brown either on this issue alone, let alone equality!

  12. Well, lets put the matter to the test, shall we? I have contacted my MP (Ben Bradshaw) and we will see what his response is, and what YOUR MP’s response is!

  13. this has sadly been knowledge for a while – a few years I think! nothing’s done as fighting homophobia is not important for labour or the tories plus they also do their best to hinder anybody who dares to try to flee the country and then tell them to fake being hetero

    it’s evil

  14. paul canning 25 Mar 2010, 7:05pm

    Matt B – *please let us know of Bradshaw’s response – email gayasylumuk AT gmail.com

    I wouldn’t expect much. To the best of my knowledge no gay or lesbian Labour MP has ever stood up for gay asylum seekers.

  15. vulpus_rex 25 Mar 2010, 7:30pm

    If you’re thinking of voting Labour next May then try to imagine what it would be like to have your backside glued shut and be stuffed so full of laxatives that your rectum and intestines rupture and you bleed to death from internal injuries.

    That’s the gift the war criminals Bliar and Brown have given to gay men in Iraq, don’t thank them for it with your vote.

  16. Jean-Paul Bentham 25 Mar 2010, 9:47pm

    You’ve only got one oar in the water.

    Sign the petition.

  17. spacebutler 26 Mar 2010, 2:37am

    @vulpus_rex – and the Tories are no better. They supported the war too, and you can bet your arse they won’t offer any help to gay Iraqis either. Neither party deserves a single gay vote. Or a single decent human being’s vote, for that matter.

  18. American and UK death squads, in which cretinous lgbt people serve, are making the world worse not better – well that’s not exactly news.

  19. Jean-Paul Bentham 27 Mar 2010, 12:53am

    As I see it, the idea is to get Ali Hili into Europe, a.s.a.p.

  20. chris kelleher 2 Apr 2010, 2:48am

    Sadam has been out for years and still gays are not safe in IRAQ. What’s not working?

  21. British always has been a race of hypocrites. Why someone is surprised? British gays are selfish and inhuman. They never cared for suffering people in Asia or Africa. That’s the fact.

    Even recently British government voted in Council of Europe for Resolution on measures to combat discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation or gender identity, Britain remained the country which stands against for what it voted on 31 March 2010 at the 1081st meeting of the Ministers to member states.

    Britain is not alone: all 47 member-states are the same sort of hypocrites.

  22. I’m against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But let’s get this straight. It’s not UK and US military personnel going round and systematically executing gay men in Iraq. It’s muslims. Not 1 muslim in 1000 in the UK is tolerant of homosexuals (Gallup survey last year). Saudi money is flooding into this country to build mega-mosques, often against the wishes of the people were these mosques are being built (like in Dudley).

    EDL gay division is planning a vigil and day of action for the gay men in Iraq. We have to collect as much money as possible to get them out of there. We plan to flood the west end with collection buckets. It’s no use just writing to your MP. What’s going on in Iraq is not something that is sanctioned by the Iraqi government. It’s part of the jihad against homos that is going on in Iran and Turkey as well.

    EDL LGBT group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=352745454775

    Don’t believe what you hear about EDL in the media. It is misrepresentation. I’ve been to the last 3 demos and never felt threatened for 1 second on any demo. EDL has no political alliance to any party. Within 1 month of being created the gay division had 115 members. We need to swell this part of the organization to get the UK government to take the threat of islam seriously. EDL even has ex-muslim members. But this counter-jihad movement is easily marginalized by the press and politicians because it is mostly made up of working-class men and women.

    Here’s the true face of EDL: http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/04/04/photographs-from-the-english-defence-league-demonstration-in-dudley-on-3-april-2010/

    Come and join us and let’s get this issue of the Iraqi homos on to the agenda. We can help them, and embarrass the government over this issue. It makes me so mad to hear politicians (even people like Michael Gove) say how great life now is for the people of Iraq.

    Please do not stand by whilst this continues.

  23. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 9:10pm

    Here in Canada a Bill has been passed recently to refuse governmental and educational services to women whose faces are hidden.

    Yes, it is time the UK draws a line in the sand. The Commonwealth values must prevail; it’s as simple as that.

    Thank for the EDL link, Joe.

    In northern India at the moment, a secular judge has actually sentenced 5 members of a local village council to the death sentence for an honour killing of a young married couple.

    Constitutional Law outweighs primitive and barbaric customs and patriarchal strategies.

    Similarly, secular courts in Iraq and Iran must be set up so that moderates can get a handle on extremists.

  24. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Apr 2010, 9:13pm

    That does not mean I’m in favor of the death sentence; I agree with Amnesty on principle, as we all do, I’m sure.

  25. Bill Perdue 6 Apr 2010, 12:30am

    The extreme dangers facing LGBT folks in Iraq have only one origin. That is the US/English invasions and occupations of Iraq.

    In their greed for control and ownership of Iraq’s petroleum assets American leaders have committed genocide and shattered Iraqi society. First Bush1 fought a murderous war to prevent the Iraqis from controlling Kuwait, a region historically part of Iraq and separated by English colonialists to make it easier for them to steal oil.

    Then Clinton organized an embargo of food, medicines and even sanitary supplies that the UN and world aid groups say killed – murdered, actually – roughly 500,000 Iraqis, mostly children and infants.

    Then Bush 2, using a campaign of lies that would have mad Goebbels envious, launched an invasion and occupation that killed an additional half a million or more. Some were mnurdered by direct US and English military action and even more died as a result of a deliberate policy of divide and rule. Rival islamist cults were armed and trained to attack one another’s civilians in a bloodbath of US sponsored communal violence.

    That has no spread to violence against our LGBT brothers and sisters. Under Hussein Iraq was highly educated, prosperous and largely secular. Jihadists were under tight control by the authoritarian government in Baghdad and life for GLGT folks was no worse than in Mississippi or Texas.

    Our first order of business is to demand an open-ended asylum policy by the nations perpetrating this violence for everyone in our communities who feels threatened.

    Secondly we have to organize massive LGBT participation the antiwar movements in the US and the EU and join with others in demanding the total, immediate and permanent withdrawal of foreign troops from the region.

  26. Huge majority of western homosexuals do not cares about fate of Iraq’s homosexuals. Many homos in Iraq will die and die unnaturally. So be it.

    I see very little interest from U.K. gay about deadly fate of Iraq’s gays. In the way, it is good fact. Western land shall be free from Arabian pollutions.

  27. I am disgusted that our govt has no pity or mercy on gay people who are trying to flee to safety here. We have taken in the scum of the earth from various nations who are undermining our laws and traditions, our freedoms and even our democracy and yet we won’t allow those under death threats to stay here? I know of a situation where a british born gay man and his partner have been hounded with death threats by Somalians in one of our major cities! We need a Joanna Lumley to take this on or an honest(?)politician to be brave enough to say it out loud and mean it when they say it!

  28. Luce E. Phur 6 Apr 2010, 11:37pm

    it’s difficult for me to admit that the UK can be so inhospitable when it comes to accepting refugees who are threatened by persecution and execution at home. These people flee their our country and in the majority of cases they have no idea where they will end up. It’s not as if they planned to go to the UK as a country of choice. It simply does not happen that way.

    http://madikazemi.blogspot.com/2010/04/talking-about-asylum-as-election-looms.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SaveMehdiKazemi+%28LGBT+asylum+news%29

    Immigration needs to be one of the hot issues during the campaigns.

  29. Jean-Paul Bentham 6 Apr 2010, 11:42pm

    …er, that should have been signed by me…don’t ask! Long story.

  30. It’s unfortunate, but the plight of gay people in Iraq is largely the product of the British and American invasion of 2003. Under Saddam there were no laws against homosexuality until 2002, and even these were not stringently enforced. There were discreet gay communities in Baghdad and Basra and other major cities. Women, too, generally had more opportunities and less oppression under Saddam. Of course, I’m not romanticising his rule, which was oppressive and intermittently violent, especially against Kurds and Shi’a Muslims. But the particular crisis of lawlessness in Iraq today is largely a Western creation. This makes it all the more disgraceful that Britain is not willing to accept refugees fleeing the mess we have created.

  31. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Apr 2010, 4:08am

    If gay asylum seekers had any choice in the matter, they may want to go elsewhere than the UK:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/14/chance-choice-britain-refugees-council-report

  32. I spoke to Ali Hili today and told him that there were many people in the UK who are worried about the rise of radical islam here. You can imagine my shock when he told me that islam is a beautiful religion and is not responsible for any of the world’s problems! When I then asked him why he was seeking asylum in the UK rather than in an islamic country, he had no answer.

    The article to which this comment of mine is a response says Ali Hili “has paid the price in death threats and a fatwa against him.” Yet he says that islam is not the problem! What other religion goes round issuing fatwas that are then carried out by nutters? It seems amazing that even gay muslims who claim to have had their lives threatened in both Iraq and London by muslims, should turn around and say islam is not a problem. In a survey last year of UK muslims, not 1 muslim in 1000 was tolerant of homosexuality (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality). I’ll let that sink in: they could not find one muslim who was not hostile to homosexuality. Not one.

    It shows how incredibly brainwashed gay muslims are when they see nothing wrong with the spread of militant islam in the UK. Even a death fatwa is not enough for them to stand alongside gay people opposed to islam.

    It seems to me that gay muslims are part of the problem. They see themselves as muslims first and gay second. It’s why I stopped having relationships with muslim men. Their self-hatred is toxic and they are not our allies.

    Ali Hili should go and ask for asylum in one of those other great islamic countries, like Turkey, or Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Libya, or Algeria. We have enough homo-hating muslims here. I don’t want another muslim in this country, gay or straight.

  33. paul canning 13 Apr 2010, 10:05am

    I am disgusted with your comments Joe. Would you say the same to a Ugandan fleeing rape by mobs and police torture in their country who refused to condemn Christianity? That’s an exact parallel. Many many Muslims have supported Iraqi LGBT in ways you know nothing about. You are just another person trying to use the plight of Iraqi gays for your own agenda and not for their benefit.

  34. Jean-Paul Bentham 14 Apr 2010, 5:48pm

    I’ve recently seen Parvez Sharma’s Award-winning (Toronto, Berlin, India, Brasil, Montreal) documentary film, “A Jihad for Love”.

    This is the world’s first feature documentary to explore the complex global intersections between Islam and homosexuality.

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