TEC has now openly, blatently, and deliberately gone against the express wishes of the Worldwide Anglican Communion (WAC). TEC should no longer be a member of the WAC. In fact, TEC should no longer be considered a “Church” for it has also openly, blatently, and deliberately gone against the Word of God.
AMP, not that long ago you would have been complaining about a woman being ordained, saying that it went against the world of god, whosoever or whatsoever he, she or it may be. Before that you would, undoubtedly, complained about the abolition of slavery.
I sincerely hope that you don’t wear cloth made of more than one fibre, eat shellfish or go against so many of ‘god’s rules that most, conveniently, forget.
Perhaps it is you that should leave the WAC. Go spread your message of intolerance elsewhere, nobody will take it any more seriously.
These words in the Washington Post seem to of been written to scold you AMP for your ignorance.
By Desmond Tutu
Friday, March 12, 2010
Hate has no place in the house of God. No one should be excluded from our love, our compassion or our concern because of race or gender, faith or ethnicity — or because of their sexual orientation. Nor should anyone be excluded from health care on any of these grounds. In my country of South Africa, we struggled for years against the evil system of apartheid that divided human beings, children of the same God, by racial classification and then denied many of them fundamental human rights. We knew this was wrong. Thankfully, the world supported us in our struggle for freedom and dignity.
It is time to stand up against another wrong.
Gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people are part of so many families. They are part of the human family. They are part of God’s family. And of course they are part of the African family. But a wave of hate is spreading across my beloved continent. People are again being denied their fundamental rights and freedoms. Men have been falsely charged and imprisoned in Senegal, and health services for these men and their community have suffered. In Malawi, men have been jailed and humiliated for expressing their partnerships with other men. Just this month, mobs in Mtwapa Township, Kenya, attacked men they suspected of being gay. Kenyan religious leaders, I am ashamed to say, threatened an HIV clinic there for providing counseling services to all members of that community, because the clerics wanted gay men excluded.
Uganda’s parliament is debating legislation that would make homosexuality punishable by life imprisonment, and more discriminatory legislation has been debated in Rwanda and Burundi.
These are terrible backward steps for human rights in Africa.
Our lesbian and gay brothers and sisters across Africa are living in fear.
And they are living in hiding — away from care, away from the protection the state should offer to every citizen and away from health care in the AIDS era, when all of us, especially Africans, need access to essential HIV services. That this pandering to intolerance is being done by politicians looking for scapegoats for their failures is not surprising. But it is a great wrong. An even larger offense is that it is being done in the name of God. Show me where Christ said “Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones.” Gay people, too, are made in my God’s image. I would never worship a homophobic God.
“But they are sinners,” I can hear the preachers and politicians say. “They are choosing a life of sin for which they must be punished.” My scientist and medical friends have shared with me a reality that so many gay people have confirmed, I now know it in my heart to be true. No one chooses to be gay. Sexual orientation, like skin color, is another feature of our diversity as a human family. Isn’t it amazing that we are all made in God’s image, and yet there is so much diversity among his people? Does God love his dark- or his light-skinned children less? The brave more than the timid? And does any of us know the mind of God so well that we can decide for him who is included, and who is excluded, from the circle of his love?
The wave of hate must stop. Politicians who profit from exploiting this hate, from fanning it, must not be tempted by this easy way to profit from fear and misunderstanding. And my fellow clerics, of all faiths, must stand up for the principles of universal dignity and fellowship. Exclusion is never the way forward on our shared paths to freedom and justice.
The writer is archbishop emeritus of Cape Town, South Africa. He won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984.
Well done, Episcopalians. Expect NOTHING from the backward thinking C of E cult and the bigots who control it. I hope the Episcopalians break away from Canterbury and go their own way siphoning off the bulk of the financial aid they pour into missionary work on behalf of the Anglican cult. Let the bastards in the C of E, including Akinola fend for themselves and hopefully sink into oblivion where they belong.
The comment from AMPisAnglican is so typical of all those people who want to keep Episcopalianism in the Dark Ages. No women, no GLBT people–of course, only men can reflect Christ and all the rest of the medieval twaddle these people parrot.
Abi, the quote from Bishop Desmond Tutu is beautiful–I couldn’t have said it better. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears when it comes to the homophobes.
Good for you, the soon to be ‘Bishop Glasspool’!!!!!
Thank God for the Episcopal Church. It’s courage, Christian love and inclusiveness puts Canterbury to shame. It seems to have recognised something Williams is still struggling with (if he is struggling with it), namely that people matter more than institutions. God made men and women, straight and gay; Henry 8th, a king seeking divorce, invented the anglican church. With ECUSA, I care passionately about the former, not a lot about the latter.
I am sorry that I am not Episcopalian. I admire any church denomination that loves and accepts ALL of God’s children, en toto. We have way too much hate in this world. It must gall the Church of England to no end that the Episcopalian Church could make it quite successfully on its own, and end the bigotry of the CoE.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain
Good for her.
Although I will never understand why she even wants to be part of that cult.
As a str8 married man in the USA, nominally Jewish, I am thrilled at the Episcopal church. Its second gay Bishop! And a woman to boot.
I talked the other day with the asst to the head of the Episcopal Dioceses of Washington DC. He said that only about 5% of the churches have left the US Episcopal church. Which was what an episcopal priest told me he expected about 3 yrs ago.
The Episcopal church now stands at the forfront of decency and Jesus 2nd commandment – “to love thy neighbor as thyself” Bravo.
And despite all the noise I read about in England, I noted that the Church of England has just the other day approved pension sharing for gay priests in civil unions. Granted they aren’t bishops, but it looks like in a few years, the Church of England will also become part of the movement honoring more properly Jesus second commandment.
On a somewhat separate note, I see Pope RATZI is cuming to England this year. I hope all the decent people, Catholic and non Catholic will greet him with signs telling the truth about the CAtholic church – the endless, all over the world abuse of children by sex starved priests who couldn’t take celibacy any more. And the rot reaches all the way to the top, in how, no matter what their excuses, the hierarchy hid these crimes for decades. I hope you will make Ratzi’s visit hell on earth, giving him a fortaste of what God has most likely in store for this monster when his time for judgment comes due.
Awesome. Although I have denounced Christianity, I still admire the Anglican Church but most especially the Episcopal for their bravity in facing the real truth and being just.
@Alan, thanks for your befitting answer to Amp-whatsoever its called. If at all, he/she reads the bible he pretend to know, he/she would have seen that down the same chapter in Leviticus, that same (bloody, discriminatory) God said that people with impairments – hunchback, defects in the eye (today we all wear glasses), crippled, etc – must not come near the altar. Based on that, even the Archbishop of Canterbury is not acceptable to that God because he wears glasses. The pope is bent towards hunchback, and their underwears – if at all these perv wear any – is made of different materials from their other clothings at any given time… Talk of obeying and keeping God’s foolish commandments.
Congrats to Ms. Glasspool
Seems that a lot of you feel that TEC is doind a great thing. Why than are so few of you attending its Worship services? The undeniable facts are simply this. For the past 40 years, since TEC began its “revisionism”, TEC has been in a steady decline, averaging -2% per year. Today, it is less than half the size it used to be just 40 years ago. In another 40 years it will cease to exist. Why? God tells us. “A tree is known by the fruit that it bears, for only good fruit shall come from a good tree, and only bad fruit shall come from a bad tree. The bad tree shall be cut down and cast into the fire”. Pretty obvious which kind of tree TEC is. That Glasspoos was even considered for the Priesthood (never mind being elected bishopress) makes it even more obvious.
Go ahead a laud your praise on this flase church. You will have nothing left to laud within a generation.
I’m thrilled at the news of bishop Mary Glasspool too ! And Tutu rocks !!
Is it really a ‘flase church’ ? May be it is ! Why not ! Flase a word to go with joy yum and feck !!