Comments on: Bishops say clergy will be sued for refusing civil partnerships

By: Ranter

Ranter — Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:24:55 +0000

If a church minister wants to carry out civil partnerships, let them. Just don’t expect “marriage” by Moslem clerics, Hasidic Rabiis, Catholic Priests or others who believe it goes against their heart held belief or moral judgement to do so. No one has any right to impose their sense of morality on others, no matter how you interpret the law. Tolerance, by necessity, is a two way street.

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:21:54 +0000

Thanks, but my idea of a good night out is staying as far away from bitchy little queens, dirty old men and gays in general.

Then why did you marry one?

By: Winston

Winston — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:32:29 +0000

not that your bitter or nuffin….. much!

By: RobN

RobN — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:24:33 +0000

StevieT: “You need a ‘good’ night out ”

Thanks, but my idea of a good night out is staying as far away from bitchy little queens, dirty old men and gays in general.
I certainly don’t need a shag to cheer me up.

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:35:51 +0000

Thanks, Stevie T! That’s a good work ethic. And I think you’d probably find most of us are more positive people away from this site, anyway. This is where we come to bitch about politics.

By: Stevie T

Stevie T — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:49:38 +0000

hey pumpkin pie cheers for your reply fella. understand your point. robn you sound angry, think you need a ‘good’ night out my point is if i really want something and its out of my reach, i’ll do everything to do it. i’d also make sure that what i do have is kept to its best so i dont have to lose it. that way i really appreciate what i have already but work harder to get the better one. you get enough people together you can achieve anything. you can count me in to. good luck guys.

By: RobN

RobN — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:20:39 +0000

Who is closeted? I’m certainly not. And the only “community” I ever see is when you get a bunch of grubby men all hanging around a bush on Hampstead Heath.

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:18:15 +0000

you should have all equal rights but you dont do yourself any favours by looking as if you constantly moan about what you do have.

The only reason we don’t have full equality is because the government has decided that it doesn’t want us to have that. We’re talking about hand-outs from oppressors here. If someone nicked your car and then returned it with the stereo missing would you be thanking them? Sure, you’d be happy you got your car – that’s the main thing – but those bastards took your stereo! Nobody forced them to, but they did it anyway. Why? Because they don’t think you deserve one. Maybe they think you’ve got crap taste in music or something.

How about if you paid to get your car serviced to pass your MOT test and the garage gives it back to you half-done and won’t give you a refund? Yeah, everyone loves analogies.

We do like a good old rage, but only at targets who deserve it. Your support is certainly welcome.

this bunch of miserable, selfish sods only want *everything*

We want full equality, that is all. Try and prove me wrong, I dare you.

equally unwilling to get off their leftie, fat arses to do anything about it.

The irony of a closeted, self-serving coward saying this to a group of people who, as a whole, are active in the LGBT community, take part in demonstrations and campaigns, and actually face the challenges that life throws at us. It is ironic.

By: RobN

RobN — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:38:40 +0000

Hmm. Seems you must be either homophobic, or gay with “internalised homophobia” because I say the same things on here all the time but this bunch of miserable, selfish sods only want *everything*, but are against accept any compromise, but are equally unwilling to get off their leftie, fat arses to do anything about it.

By: Stevie T

Stevie T — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:33:47 +0000

hey pumpkin pie mate i have every respect for you. im only on here coz my best mates gay. you have me and girlfriends full support. have to say though i only ask coz a lot of my mates. I get support from my other mates but it can be a job when they see these pages. like i said you should have all equal rights but you dont do yourself any favours by looking as if you constantly moan about what you do have.

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:52:37 +0000

Stevie T, you so crazy! I really don’t like this “be thankful for what you get” tone. I’m sorry if us gays seem a tad “uppity” to you, but the whole point of that is to let the politicians know that we won’t be fobbed off with half-hearted, PR-based compromises. CPs certainly made me happy. Full legal rights was pretty much the single most important thing we were fighting for with marriage. But it’s not full equality yet. There isn’t some cosmic force stopping politicians from granting us full equality. They are actively choosing to keep us unequal, and that is not a very nice thing to do. Why, it’s rather insulting.

Say, and why was I being so surly towards somebody who supports us, anyway? Because transsexual rights and women’s rights are two other movements I wholeheartedly support, despite being a non-transsexual male. And I would never tell either group to be happy with what they’ve got when they’re given less than what they deserve. From one person who supports people he’s not to another: that’s not cool, man. Not cool.

By: Stevie T

Stevie T — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:10:28 +0000

chester I appreciate what your saying but you didnt answer my question.. ‘so would you rather civil partnerships were cancelled until you get full marriage then?’

By: Chester

Chester — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:48:02 +0000

Stevie T – cause?? throwing breadcrumbs isn’t for the best why appreciate when people aren’t equal?

By: Mihangel apYrs

Mihangel apYrs — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:08:23 +0000

two idle questions, since we’re on a somewhat philosophical spree at the moment:
if a man is in a CP and then transitions, will he have to dissolve the CP and then marry?

Will the CoE marry her?

By: Squidgy

Squidgy — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:11:57 +0000

There are a lot of us that do appreciate what we have got Stevie T but we do have a way to go. There are, sadly, some that’ll never be happy ( I think they’re just happy being miserable) but I know we’re better off than we were 20, 30, 50… years ago.

It seems other countries are beating us on the marriage thing and thats what our politicans should be ashamed of, not standing up to the bullyboy churches.

All support for our rights are always appreciated.

By: Stevie T

Stevie T — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:48:26 +0000

so would you rather civil partnerships were cancelled until you get full marriage then? i just see that theres no appreciation of anything you do have. reading these thread, i support full equality for you but you seem to complain about what you do have. i know little steps aren’t ideal but maybe if you were seen to happier with what you do have maybe more people would back your cause.

By: Chester

Chester — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:32:55 +0000

I agree with Dan @ 0.28
Stevie T – you make it sound like it’s ok to make people unequal and then expect them to be happy with breadcrumbs instead of full and legal equality, that’s why people are unhappy – because people aren’t equal

By: Stevie T

Stevie T — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:16:10 +0000

you lot seem to whinge at everything you got. You get rights but then are obviously ungrateful for them. Why get more when your clearly unhappy with what you do have?

By: Tony D

Tony D — Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:23:09 +0000

I am disappointed that the Bishop of Winchester has taken this new ‘law’ out of context, by mis-representing it to his vast, trusting, numerous, widespread congregation. The Lords did NOT say that churches HAD BY LAW to conduct a civil partnership in a religious premises, So I’m disgusted that he’s trying to coax and manipulate people into thinking this law is bad for society. That no Religion will be under legal obligation to fulfil a LGBT couple who want a religious ceremony clearly shows that this Bishop is not able to recognise his own hypocrisy nor that a gay couple can be in a loving, monogamous, committed relationship. I’m a gay Catholic, 31 years old & have been with my partner for nearly a year. I welcome the possibility of us being able to have a civil partnership at a venue with spiritual significance, as I feel it would make the occasion even more special & fulfilling. The Christian churches ALL need to remember that they are there to encourage love & compassion, not fear, distrust or hate!!

By: Pumpkin Pie

Pumpkin Pie — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:40:47 +0000

I’m afraid it is you that have moved the goalposts by changing gender

Don’t be silly. Nobody asks to be born transsexual, so it can’t be her fault. And there wouldn’t need to be any “goalposts” moved if the government would just stop pussy-footing around and legalise same-sex marriage instead of coming up with this plethora of red tape.