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10-year-old on hate register for calling a fellow pupil ‘gay boy’

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  1. A Daily Mail story, eh?
    So what exactly happened, I wonder?

  2. The Daily Heil is the source of this ‘story’?

  3. Oh and the Daily Mail don’t have an axe to grind do they.

    They’re the only one’s reporting this apart from Pink News.

    All stories like this one do is breed resentment towards the very things that the government have done to protect us from discrimination. So thanks Daily Mail for undermining a good thing.

  4. The Daily Mail would probably prefer the boy to be given a good thrashing with a James Dobson book, by someone from the “Christian” “Institute”.

    But seriously, putting a ten year old on such a register, if true and we have all the relevant facts, seems plain daft.

  5. Did Pink News really have to name the boy involved?

  6. Well if it’s true, and that is ALL there is to it, the media is quite right to highlight this stupidity.

    It is not the stories that breed resentment, it is the actions that cause the story in the first place. Unless the child was a particularly nasty bully I see no reason for this.

  7. ” Michele Elliott of Kidscape told the Daily Express:” Children are being criminalised and singled out from a very early age when they don’t know what they’re doing.” ”

    Perhaps Kidscape should be more pro-active in tackling the problem of homophobic bullying. The organisation seems to have no problem with tackling racism and racist bullying.

  8. This is not going to be used against him. It’s just recorded – so patterns can be seen both from the student and the school. This register is needed because so many schools utterly ignore homophobic abuse

  9. Such a country yer asked for, and such a country yer got.

  10. No mention of any sympathy towards the victim from the mother I see. Its just little Peter wont get into university now! Well I’m glad as no doubt the teaching of such language came from within the home environment so the family will see consequences of their own homophobia on little Peters life.

    The fact they went to the Daily Mail with this story says a hell of a lot about what sort values this family hold.

  11. Adrian, I think you’ll find that if a 10 year old were to call another boy a nigger I it would have to be recorded in the same way – has been the case for years. The only difference is that there would be no story.

  12. The boy’s mother: ’He doesn’t even understand about the birds and the bees, so how can he be homophobic?’

    What a stupid and ignorant remark.

  13. theotherone 4 Mar 2010, 5:43pm

    abi: are you sure it was the Home where the boy picked up this language? Socialisation occurs in environments other than the home.

    A silly law and a pointless one.

  14. vulpus_rex 4 Mar 2010, 5:48pm

    Hate registers? More like sinister threatening charge sheets to be used as weapons in the all pervading campaign to bore us into complete surrendour to Liebour dogma.

    Now this mother has shown the school management up as petty minded stalinist beaurocrats she should organise a counter-campaign based on every child in the school shouting the word gayboy over and over again at each other, every day until their ridiculous register collapses under the weight of its own stupidity.

    What kind of morons do they put in charge of schools nowadays?

  15. Sadly there are registers now for almost every “behaviour” incident in schools. I work in Early yrs education and agree that it appears to be madness, it also talkes a huge amount of time, form filling!!
    However, it all comes back to educating children from primary age to repect eachother. Bullying is not acceptable and inappropriate name calling must be dealt with. lets hope that as well as putting the child on the register (!) the school have spent time explaining to the children that they must not use words and phrases that they don’t nderstand, and explain why its hurtful.
    i very much doubt it’ll affect the child’s chances of getting into university, how ridiculous!! More ridiculous that its reported in a national newspaper.

  16. Silent_bob 4 Mar 2010, 6:27pm

    I think its great… maybe people will start taking homophobia seriously now and explain to their kids that homophobia has consequences

  17. A 10 year old calling another “gay” is not bullying – a term which is thoroughly overused. Have we really gotten to this point when we look to manage children’s relationships for them with this kind of reporting and over zealous crap? How are kids going to grow up and deal with the worst of what life throws at them when we are instituting an environment where every slight is met with helicopter politics and parenting? Sure being called gay as some sort of insult is reprehensible, but “four eyes”, “fatty” and a whole host of other words are just part of growing up in a play ground. Kids say dumb things that’s what kids do, but we should be giving them lessons on how to respond to stupidity and ignorance, not running to some central (costly) database to flag them for the rest of their lives. We are encouraging a culture where no body looks to deal with issues themselves because rest assured the big ass State will step in with some punitive register to save the day rather then all of us having a direct and challenging conversation about our differences…what a crock!

  18. Not sure what the fuss is about. It sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

    The mother said it: “he is very upset because he is now in trouble”. Probably this kind of upset will be a useful life lesson that insults are not ok.

    I think it would be ridiculous for him to not be admitted at university for calling someone a gay boy when he was 10, but if the record showed a persistence in bullying and abusive behaviour, I think it would be reasonable to expect that there would be consequences down the line.

    I think that instead of complaining to the school about it, the parents in question should simply have a good conversation with their son and explain that there are consequences for his behaviour and he needs to watch what he says…

    I think that this kind of incident might actually turn the child into a very respectful and considerate person later in life, who thinks before he speaks.

  19. By the way – I do think that “hate register” sounds a bit silly. Maybe antisocial behaviour register, or something like that would be better.

  20. Pumpkin Pie 4 Mar 2010, 7:27pm

    Sparky (8) and Dave (11)

    These are exactly the sorts of things I wanted to bring up. First of all, keeping track of recurrent behaviour is something that is sorely lacking with disciplinary procedures. I mean, how many times have we heard stories of criminals hauled in for serious crimes because the police failed to notice the pattern emerging from their many petty crimes? Same principle here. The very idea that somebody won’t get into a university for using a bigoted slur when they were 10 is preposterous. Of course, if it becomes a frequent thing, then they would deserve it.

    Secondly, it’s about time homophobic and transphobic slurs started getting treated with the same weight as racist and sexist slurs.

    Now this mother has shown the school management up as petty minded stalinist beaurocrats she should organise a counter-campaign based on every child in the school shouting the word gayboy over and over again at each other, every day until their ridiculous register collapses under the weight of its own stupidity.

    When exactly did you lose your marbles? Anybody who uses their children to shout homophobic slurs in protest against something that wasn’t even our fault should have their children taken away from them. Ever seen those twisted little kiddies that tag along on Westboro Baptist picketings? That’s exactly the image you just gave me. What an utterly creepy idea.

  21. “He must have picked it up somewhere”? Yeah. Probably at home, bitch!

  22. Dave, There is a significant difference between the “n” word and calling someone gay. The closest thing would be the word “fag”. There is a history for the “n” word and it has always had a negative connotation. Either way, when a ten year old child uses a bad word, you do not need to put them on a register. You should use it as an opportunity to inform. It is when the same “mistake” is made that action should be taken.

  23. The idea that this will prevent the child getting into university is patently nonsense.

    When I was 10 I was caught by a store detective for stealing a keyring from a shop. That’s an actual crime.

    It didn’t stop my university career. But it did ensure that I never nicked anything from a shop again in my life.

  24. As many other people here have pointed out, this story is being spun in a Daily Wail way. The boy hasn’t been put on a register (with all the implication that he’s on some crime list), the INCIDENT has. This way schools have some idea of how many such incidents occur (this can’t deny there’s a problem or pretend they didn’t notice) and can think about how best to deal with such incidents.

  25. Sorry – *they can’t deny

  26. BrazilBoysBlog 4 Mar 2010, 9:14pm

    @14 “Now this mother has shown the school management up as petty minded stalinist beaurocrats she should organise a counter-campaign based on every child in the school shouting the word gayboy over and over again at each other, every day until their ridiculous register collapses under the weight of its own stupidity.”

    The only stupidity is this very comment! I agree that the ´consequences´ for this boy have been well overplayed by the press. This incident has been recorded… GOOD.

    So, the little dear might not get into University? What utter rubbish. He might think more than twice in future about using such an insult. An insult that another parent (who heard him use it) thought was bad enough to report him in the first place!

    This has been written up by the Daily Mail to look bad… but I am totally in favour of these regulations. As someone else said, what of the victim of this abuse? Has anyone heard of young teenagers committing acts of self-harm and even suicide because of school yard homophobic abuse? I have.

    It is not on.

    The Mail is trying to make it sound like a sex offenders register for little kids… it is nothing of the sort. The government has said that it wants all cases of homophobic abuse recording. About bloody time. This way, we can monitor it and also see (if) and what the schools are doing about it.

  27. Mumbo Jumbo 4 Mar 2010, 9:19pm

    vulpus_rex (comment #14) said:

    “What kind of morons do they put in charge of schools nowadays?”

    I had no idea you were a headteacher.

  28. “The boy’s mother: ’He doesn’t even understand about the birds and the bees, so how can he be homophobic?’

    What a stupid and ignorant remark. ”
    Thats exactly what i thought when i first read this
    Would be very different if the boy used the N word though

  29. Jean-Paul Bentham 4 Mar 2010, 10:45pm

    There are a whole set of circumstances that we don’t know, but I am inclined to agree with the mother who overheard this boy and reported him. This mother would also have heard the “tone of voice” used by the boy, and as much as 90% of communication takes place through the tone of the voice. The remark must have been said in a most contemptuous way for the boy to be reported. Also, was the comment made in front of other boys? There was a victim here.

    Speaking from a similar and recent experience in our own home during a Christmas gathering, where my partner and I were publicly denigrated by a grand-nephew using the word “faggot” as he threw a cushion into our decorated tree, I would be interested to know what the boy’s “father” has to say about this incident. Our grand-nephew’s father left our place in such a hurry that he forgot his hat and gloves, and the mother tried to get around it by saying she hadn’t heard it, and then she said the boy had meant to say “got-fag” and not “faggot”. Give me a break.

    There are parents who don’t know how to raise a child, so that teachers do well to note these things.

    Egale Canada (www.egale.ca) is presently implementing an educational program called “Safe Schools Campaign” to counter homophobia in Canadian schools. It aims to help our youth get past the pitfalls of overhearing homophobic remarks at home or elsewhere, not to punish them.

    The tone of the voice, especially when one has been drinking…and the boy hears this…common scenario, and my speculation is as good as anybody else’s.

  30. Welcome to police state Britain. Be afraid. Be very afraid…

  31. Children have got to learn and it’s got to be “tough love”. For too long a few teachers have been telling students it’s not nice to be awful to gays, and that has not made much difference, of course.

    So this article shows that the legislation is bringing about the hurt, shame, and embarrassment that inappropriate behaviour should earn.

    I am not totally sure about the term “The Hate Register” though. I don’t know how the system operates by I would hope that a child’s name doesn’t get entered into “The Hate Register” unless they have, for example, offended in the same way on three occasions, following two previous serious warnings.

    A child must not be branded. A child must be given every opportunity of improving his or her behaviour. Only when a child resists continually should they really be hit with social ostracism.

    Readers may be interested to know that I did sessions with classroomfuls of seven year olds in inner-city schools many years ago and I was absolutely gobsmacked to witness the most virulent homophobia pouring out of some of their mouths. It all depended which families they came from. As Jean-Paul points out above, it is not the words but the context, the emotion and the feeling that comes behind the pejorative word. You can call someone a teapot in a manner that indicates you think they ought to be locked away for the rest of their lives.

    I can distinctly remember one little girl, only seven, saying something like, “Yes, I know queers. We’ve got them in our building. They’re awful and they do awful things with each other!” The look on her face as she said it revealed a deeply-set hatred.

    She had no idea that I was gay. She assumed I was “a good person”, like the teachers in the school. But I tell you the hatred dripped off the end of her tongue. It wasn’t her hatred of course, but it was IN her, and it was put there after years of conditioning by her parents. There was little I could do in one morning to rid the children of such long-established beliefs.

    Babies start learning from the moment they open their eyes. By the time children are seven, or thereabouts, many attitudes have been set for life.

    They’ve got to be dealt with and hard. The homophobic parents at home will kick much harder than the kids will, but that’s tough. Half of them should not be permitted to reproduce without first having satisfied certain criteria.

  32. This sounds like good news to me. Hate registers are a good thing. There is a HUGE problem with homophobic abuse in schools and self-harm and suicide in LGBT adolescents is hugely inflated as a result. If it saves one life it is well worth it.

    As for a ten-year-old being ignorant of racially or homophobically abusive terms- well if that is true then that is surely the result of bad parenting. But I don’t believe it for a second!

    The Kidscape woman sounds utterly ridiculous! Does she really think the hate register is a CRIMINAL RECORD? What a goon…

    Hate registers are one step in the right direction, but there is so much more that needs do be done to tackle ingrained homophobia in educational establishments. Hopefully this is just the beginning.

  33. I’ve gotta say, if this is as it says, I think it’s daft. There must be a better way of discouraging homophobia in schools. And we also have to admit that on some level people do nowadays use ‘gay’ to mean ‘bad’ without homophobic intent. It is the nature of language to change in this way. I agree we should discourage it but this certainly seems somewhat extreme.

  34. BrazilBoysBlog 5 Mar 2010, 5:23am

    @33 “And we also have to admit that on some level people do nowadays use ‘gay’ to mean ‘bad’ without homophobic intent. It is the nature of language to change in this way.”

    ´fraid not… gay is still widely taken to mean homosexual. What they mean is ´Homosexual = Bad´. This has to be countered and challenged at every instance. This poor little boy does not even know the birds and bees yet? Well, maybe not, but he sure as hell means ´gay boy´ as an insult.. (and the parent who heard this obviously agreed.)

    He has to learn (and quickly) that we are not to be used as an insult, and if there are any lesbian and gay students around him, (quite likely there will be in time), they need to feel valued members of society. Not the subject of ridicule by brainless morons.

  35. I think a register sounds a bit draconian, but that depends if we’re talking something like a sex offender’s register or just an internal school register to log kid’s misdemeanours in general.
    For my money it’s right the kid should be sanctioned but for a first offence it should be nothing more than a verbal warning or school detention depending on severity. I think moving it up a notch should only be considered as a last resort if his behaviour deteriorates.
    Actually Jean paul Bentham is right, kids are conditioned to parrot this kind of crap from an early age (whether by parents or in the playground) long before they are given a reason to hate.
    I’m deeply ashamed to admit that if memory serves when I was his age I would have used gay as an insult. I came from a parochial town where during the 80’s it was almost a given to taunt and exclude the gay kid. Gayness was actively discouraged and coming out would have turned any kid into a pariah.
    We had an early developer in our class who showed all the signs of being gay age 12 and when I think of the way he was treated now it makes me shudder. It was only in secondary school that all that negative conditioning was challenged and I slowly began to accept gay people and to a lesser extent myself. The internalised homophobia left a deep emotional scar on me so I dread to think how it affected my classmate.
    I’d like to think times have changed but within the last decade we’re back to using “gay” as a pejorative (South park was the first time I noticed this trend).
    However it’s done, using gay as a pejorative should be treated the same as using “Black” as a pejorative. You don’t need to use the term “Faggot” or “Nigger” for the homophobia or racism to become self evident, or for either to cause deep seated self-esteem issues in later life.

  36. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 9:18am

    Four legs are good and two legs are bad

  37. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 9:49am

    Yes, Eddy (@31), to me your statement sounds like a case of cognitive dissonance, or should I say hypocrisy? One minute you try to paint yourself as a caring and kind person with the child’s best interest, at heart, with statements like “a child must not be branded. A child must be given every opportunity of improving his or her behaviour.” But then you express a merciless inverted Old Testament judgement. You would sterilise the parents or no doubt remove their children and place them either in orphanages or directly into the hands of gays – all of which is already happening, with case of Lisa and her daughter Isabella Miller in the States. Oh, sorry, I forgot , I am not supposed to use word “gay.”

    The real consequence of those, like head teachers, implementing the unnatural and corrupt Equality Bill is not going to be winning the hearts and minds of children toward gays ( whoops, sorry, used it again), but a smouldering resentment, which sooner or later will backfire, especially from those elements of society that are short on human love. We reap what we sow and it aint love of homosexuality. An by the way, homosexuality is not a state of being, such as being black, left handed or Russian; it is describes a behaviour, which as you know and we all know results in physical, emotional, mental, social and spiritual death.

  38. musclelad23 5 Mar 2010, 10:24am

    Oh not again, it’s Bible boy. Your hate isn’t welcome here, go away David Skinner.

    I think you must have suffered a mental death when your mother dropped you on your head.

  39. BrazilBoysBlog 5 Mar 2010, 10:56am

    @37 Thank you SO much! :-)

    Just when people on here were perhaps beginning to think this might be a bit heavy-handed, just when we thought it might be safe to come out and play….. YOU come along and remind us that the BEST cure for hateful bigots is not to put them on any kind of ´register´….

    JUST PUT THEM OUT OF THEIR MISERY INSTEAD!

    PERMANENTLY!

  40. As usual, massive PC over-reaction. Kids like to repeat things they hear. It could be from the playground, TV or the Internet.
    “Hate Register” is an AWFUL concept. I have never truly hated anyone in my entire life, although there were many I strongly disliked. As I mentioned to someone the other day, words only have power when people react to them, so if they are shrugged off, then they are harmless. Why is calling you a faggot any worse than calling you a nincompoop? It’s only the connotations you build into that vocabulary that make people react, so lose them and it becomes just another word.

  41. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 11:06am

    That’s better, much better. Keep it coming boys and girls,( whoops, sorry I am not allowed to use those sterotypes either). I love it when the mask of homosexual humanity is cast aside and the real face of christianophobic hatred is revealed in all its nakedness. Where is the rest of the crew? I can hear them, now, pounding down the corridor to exercise their freedom of hatred speech.

  42. musclelad23 5 Mar 2010, 11:11am

    Is christianophobic even a word?

  43. Gay activist Paul Mitchell 5 Mar 2010, 11:27am

    I love the idea of a “hate register” –

    Put these anti-gay bigoted nuts on that list:

    John Howard, George Bush, the pope, Fred Nile, miss universe (California), anyone else??????

    BRING IT ON HOMOPHOBIES!!!!!!

  44. Political Correctness will be Great Britain’s downfall.

  45. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 11:33am

    Paul, that is feable. You can do better than that.

  46. David Skinner –
    ‘freedom of hatred speech’.
    You are pretty impressive at exercising this yourself, especially in the form of repeating poisonous myths about gay and lesbian people on the basis of your mad supernatural beliefs.

  47. Anyone who doubts the power of pejorative words is not paying much attention when they read these comments. No one has any problem using the work “faggot”, but most people use the euphemism “n-word” when they mean “nigger”. They have been taught that you can’t even use that word when quoting someone else. Now that is power. And you know what, anti-gay pejoratives are the most common used in schools, media, entertainment, precisely because no one (other than those who have felt the force of the fist behind it) feels that there are any consequences to using these hateful terms. It’s about time that Britain raised a generation who knows that it is not acceptable to use derogatory words against gay people. If the consequence of saving the life of one gay teenager is that this little brat doesn’t get into Uni, so be it.

  48. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 12:31pm

    No Riondo, according the 1984 Ministry of Truth, aka, Stonewall, homosexuality does not lead to a disproportionate number of cases of physical, emotional, mental and societal morbidities. According them, the fact that homosexuals die before their sell by date has nothing to do with their sexual behaviour. Or if it has, hey,ho, this is perfectly natural and normal. Indeed what greater thrill can there be than to receive or give the “gift.” After all who wants to live forever? According to the Ministry of Truth, being gay( Sorry I must use that word – has anyone thought of an alternative?) is as immutable as being born a fish( sorry I forgot, we have evolved from fish) According to the statistics, graphs and pie-charts, produced by the MT, homosexuals are being murdered, beaten, oppressed on a level with the six million Jews exterminated by Hitler, or the millions of Africans driven into slavery.
    Whether the truth might appear to some to be poisonous, hateful, medieval, backward or unkind is beside the point. If something is true, there is nothing anyone can do about it. As I have said before, God is always forgiving, people are sometimes forgiving, but nature never forgives. Now where are the rest of crew? They are late.

  49. David Skinner absolutely everything that squelches out of the ars&-hole that you wear on the front of your head is predicated upon the existence of a great big clever ghost whom you call “God”.

    Please provide one smidgeon of evidence that your pixie-in-the-sky exists!

  50. What the hell is ‘Dave Skinner’ doing even reading this site?? Bizarre.

  51. I entirely agree with Silent_bob

  52. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 12:58pm

    That’s more like it Eddy. Well done. The mask of being civilised has come off. See; it wasn’t that difficult after all. Just be true to your nature I say. But I say it again, “I love it when the mask of homosexual humanity is cast aside and the real face of christianophobic hatred is revealed in all its nakedness.” As for evidence for the existence of the pixie – the- sky, you are living proof of the existence of something altogether different.

  53. David Skinner – Funny how you keep using Orwell. It’s like a variant on Godwins law that all internet debates decend into each side labelling the other as Hitler/Nazis. In your case you think we’re engaging in thought control and doublespeak, but from our perspective that’s what Christian fundamentalists have been doing for 2000 years. It’s a bit of a no-win argument.
    Maybe we’d be a bit more accepting towards Christian fundamentalists in general if they didn’t spend so much time coming on these threads and condemning us as hellbound abominations who don’t deserve basic civil rights.

  54. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 1:08pm

    No flapjack. You mean absolute, fundamental rights that overrule those of all others. How does it go now? “What do we want? What we want, when we want.” As for invading your domain, I would do that if the gay lobby stopped invading our schools, our living rooms,our bedrooms- the private domain of our children. The government has promised to revolutionise the most intimate parts of family life. That sounds like invasion of privacy alright.
    Now let’s have more christianophobic hate speech, please.

  55. “I love it when the mask of homosexual humanity is cast aside…”

    And this coming from the man who has an obsession with listing a huge number of sexual practices of which he seems to show an impressive knowledge! We all know what motivates you, David – hate, pure and simple. Some gay person pissed you off and did better than you, making you feel bad, and you nursed that grievance and let it swell like a cancour inside you.

    You’re not a Christian. You alighted on Christianity because you believe that it justifies your hate – but it doesn’t. And not just any Christianity – the born again fundie type, complete with all its fake evidence and misquoted studies.

    I feel sorry for you. You must be burning with hatred and resentment every minute of the day. If you dealt with the problems inside yourself you’d feel a lot happier. You should also realise that you’re making a bit of a fool of yourself here. Normal adults don’t care what other adults do in bed…

    Sort your OWN problems out and feel better about yourself. And if you want that in biblical form:

    “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”

  56. “As for invading your domain, I would do that if the gay lobby stopped invading our schools, our living rooms,our bedrooms- the private domain of our children.”
    Erm, the gay lobby invaded your bedroom? When did that happen? I didn’t get that memo. As for the rest, I wake up to “Thought for the Day” every morning as it’s thrust into the middle of whatever Radio news station I happen to set the alarm for, so don’t give me the “Gay lobby has hijacked the airwaves” argument. That one is yet another stalemate. If you mind it that much, do what I do and reach for the offswitch.

  57. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 2:11pm

    Iris, no more obsessed than Churchill was with Hitler.
    Now careful, Iris before you claim knowledge for which you can present no credible evidence, ie, names, places, times, what took place and who said to what. You also claim with gay boldness, let alone pride, that you know who and who is not a Christian. Pray, give me your definition of one.

    Whilst you are thinking about that my I offer you just a few quotes from Jesus Christ no less? This is just a sample from Matthew:-

    4:17: Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    5: 13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

    5:19a: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

    5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    5: 27-30 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery :But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

    7: 13,14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    7: 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    8:11,12 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    9: 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    10 : 14,15 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

    10: 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    10: 33- 38 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
    He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

    11.23,24 And thou, Capernaum , which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

    13: 49,50 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Not even Peter was spared:
    16: 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get the behind me, Satan: thou art an offenceunto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

    Iris, the Bible commands us to hate what evil and to love what is good. If that is what you call being a fundie, I can also accuse you of being a fundamental, bigottted, narrow – minded, for clearly you hate what is good and love that which is evil .

    Please, Iris, don’t quote the Bible to me, unless you are prepared to seriously discuss it.

  58. David Skinner – black is like gay, lesbian and bi as it is in-born
    people like you are why Christianity looks evil and hateful, you don’t see your own sin yet react with pride and haughtiness to non-sinners
    you are also a joke on here
    words like the abuse does hurt kids and it’s a lie to pretend otherwise, I think this register is a good idea

  59. David Skinner –

    If the Bible commands us to hate evil, you must really hate yourself right now!

    Religion is responsible for wars, famines, greed, poverty, sexual abuse, murder etc The list goes on.

    Your hate comes from that. It comes from people who would be horrified if others thought about what they did in bed. They call gay people perverts. Yet it’s religious people who are the ones who judge others by what they do in bed when it’s none of their business. Open your eyes, turn away from being blinded by your bigotry and see that maybe the human race would benefit from encouraging love weither it be hetrosexual or homosexual.

    You David Skinner, are the only person holding yourself back with your hateful messages and bigotted ways. You and every person like you is responsible for the human race note progressing.

    Peace.

  60. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 3:04pm

    Chester I don’t think the Black community will thank you for their being identified with sodomy. I dare you to step into any black church in the East End of London, or anywhere, and say that.

    Just tell me the name of the scientist who has discovered the gay gene. And please don’t tell me “Well they haven’t found it yet but they jolly well will in a few years time.”

    If, Chester a thousand black women were fertilised by black semen and the resulting embryos were implanted into a thousand white, surrogate wombs and the resulting babies were adopted by white parents, how many of these babies would be white? A thousand or not even one?

    However, if a thousand lesbians were fertilised by homosexual semen and the resulting embryos were implanted into so -called heterosexual, surrogate wombs and the resulting babies were adopted by so – called heterosexual parents, how many of those babies would be gay? A thousand or maybe not even one?

    Even Peter Tatchell has written, that homosexuality is not natural. They do say that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.

  61. OH NO, David Skinner makes a re-appearance after a considerable absence. What an utter waste of time his long posts are.

  62. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 3:11pm

    Squidgy, you are so right; I do hate the evil that I see within myself. Paul talks about this in Romans chapter 7 and so does David in Psalm 51. I am indeed in no position to judge. I am merely saying what the Bible says. I didn’t write it. ‘onest governer; it was ‘im who calls ‘imself God and writes to us in a big book called the Bible’

  63. The length of David Skinner’s posts is impressive. It is quite difficult to type with one hand.

  64. If a thousand HI-IQ women were inseminated with David Skinner’s sperm and the embryos were carried by a thousand Nobel-prize winning women and the resulting babies were all raised by geniuses, how many of these babies would be able to tell their biological father was a blithering idiot? All one thousand!

  65. Gene Touchet 5 Mar 2010, 3:39pm

    Zero tolerance policies perhaps should be re-thought.

  66. “Iris, the Bible commands us to hate what evil and to love what is good. If that is what you call being a fundie, I can also accuse you of being a fundamental, bigottted, narrow – minded, for clearly you hate what is good and love that which is evil .

    Please, Iris, don’t quote the Bible to me, unless you are prepared to seriously discuss it. ”

    Oh, I DO discuss the bible, David, but with a Christian visitor here who is much more worthy of my time than you. Your quotes prove absolutely nothing. And as for me saying who is a Christian – I don’t see why that’s any more bold than you claiming to speak for God. The Bible isn’t there to provide you with ‘proof’ to justify your own hate. If there is a heaven, I sincerely doubt YOU’LL be going there. You’re a hate-filled bitter person who tried to turn a blind eye to his own faults by having a go at others. You genuinely exude absolute HATE. If you think that’s what God wants or is planning to reward then you’re sadly mistaken.

    Oh, and I had to laugh when you said that I hate what is good. What’s that then? You?? No, I don’t hate you, I pity you. And I don’t love evil things. But, of course, if you consider evil things to be Anything That David Doesn’t Like, then I suppose you’re right, eh?

    You are exceptionally sad coming onto a gay site when you profess to hate us. You just can’t keep away, can you? Picking at that old wound from the oh-so-annoyingly-clever gay boss? Move on and live your life without such hate and you’ll feel a lot better, I promise you.

  67. David Skinner 5 Mar 2010, 4:04pm

    comment 1of18000@64 You’re a cheeky blighter, but I thank you all the same sir, for the unmerited and undeserved praise that heap on me. I am quite overwhelmed.

  68. ………………..

    “A ten-year-old boy has been placed on a hate register for calling a fellow pupil a ‘gay boy.’

    It is one of the first publicised examples of how the government’s required hate registers are being used in schools. From this September, children as young as five risk being placed on a hate register if they make homophobic playground taunts”.

    The Bolshevik’s in Russia and the Nazi’s in Germany were the first to introduce politics into the classroom as a precursor of a totalitarian state.

    How long is it before kids will be required to report any ‘homophobic’ remarks of their parents?

    Welcome to a British version of a new political inquisition.

    …………….

  69. david skinner 5 Mar 2010, 4:25pm

    Muddy, yours is the first voice of sanity on this thread. I had almost given up hope.

  70. Pumpkin Pie 5 Mar 2010, 4:39pm

    Welcome to a British version of a new political inquisition.

    This has all already happened for racism and the world didn’t end. And it won’t end when this is extended to homophobia, either. Drama queen.

  71. Will I knew I was born gay but them I discover Lifestyle Choice. I gave me a get one, get one free deal on being gay for a year for £24.99.

    Bigots were at the bottom of the page, cheap (what would you expect?) as it was free subscription for life.

    Get over yourselves.

  72. david skinner 5 Mar 2010, 5:14pm

    Stonewall have attempted to equate a ban on homosexual marriage with a ban on interracial marriage. But the reason we do not do a witch hunt on interracial marriage is simply because we realise that people of other races, beneath the skin are, essentially the same as us. Yes, races have superficially different characteristics. Black people, for example are able to withstand heat better than the whites and the whites are better equipped biologically to endure the artic; but these are innocuous traits over which they have no control and are genetic. They do not threaten the unity, stability and cohesion of a society. On the contrary: an inclusion in the gene pool of different races only invigorates it. The reason that we no longer need the law – and maybe never needed it in the first place – is because coloured people do not try to force them selves on us a different species, or “strange flesh“ as it says in Jude 7 – apart from militant blacks.

    They do not try to radically alter the nature of marriage or sexual behaviour

    Homosexuals take pains to tell us that when they attack us, give death threats, disrupt our church services., break up university forums, threaten us with public humiliation, fines, loss of jobs, and soon the threat of prison, this is not because they demand the civil right to be treated as equally human, to be integrated into society, to be able to sit at the front of the bus , to be able to eat in the same restaurants. What they demand is the right and freedom to deconstruct sex, marriage, family, society, creational ordinance and truth to suit their own ends.
    And to get what they want when they want it.

    “Some of us are Gay . Get over it“.

    But get over what? Gays are defined by nothing more than their sexual behaviour. When politicians talk of the contribution made by the gay community( whatever that may mean) what are we talking about. At least with coloured people we can point to their physical and athletic abilities and the way they dominate many sports, but what precisely marks off and distinguishes gay rugby, choirs, athletics, knitting, shopping, police force from the rest of us ? Nothing. Out of 12000 athletes who took part in the Bejiing Olympic games, two homosexuals and eight lesbians had to identify themselves not by different athletic behaviour but by telling us – by outting themselves. The one and only thing that marks them off is their sexual behaviour, which demands to know no limits or restraint.

  73. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 5:23pm

    A sailor and a fundie were playing golf.

    The sailor took his first shot missed and said:

    “Fvck, I missed.”

    Surprised, the christian fundie replied:

    “Don’t use that kind of language or god will punish you.”

    The sailor took aim and hit his second shot. Again he missed and under his breath the said:

    “I fvckin’ missed again.”

    The Talibangical overheard and replied:

    “My son, please don’t use that language or god will punish you.”

    The sailor took his third shot and once again he couldn’t help mutter:

    “Oh fvck.”

    The religious bigot said:

    “That’s it, god will certainly punish you.”

    Suddenly a bolt of lightning came down and killed the religious nutter.

    In the distance a deep voice said:

    “FVCK, I Missed”.

  74. Oh dear. Poor David – taken in by the lies of the fundies (presumably because they’re ones he agrees with). Your hate is clouding your judgement, David. Why not get it off your chest and tell us all about the nasty gay man who upset you?

  75. .

    Pumpkin Pie:

    You dissemble and obfuscate.

    A characteristic common to most postings here.

    Gay political demands trump black ones by a considerable margin and as they advance we see the rapid erosion of freedom of thought, expression and interest.

    Under the banner of a rabid victimological pretence gay demands usurp moderate, conventional and traditional values. Gay ambitions are therefore totalitarian in scope and destructive in execution.

    That’s why homosexual influences have been avidly shunned, with rare episodic exceptions, in the history of mankind.

    Come to think of it – how dare you equate the innate characteristics of race with those who indulge in acquired variable risky sexual urges?

    Children need protection from, not exposure to, the damaging nature of homosexuality itself, which results in an inappropriate number complaining of mental depression and sense of ennui.

    .

  76. Eve Sedgewick’s epistemoloy of the closet shows the double-bind of the homophobe. In the homophobic discourse as outlined by the more odious posters above, the homosexual is an impossibility, for the “homosexual” is simultaneously 1) a social misfit, 2) an unnatural monster or freak, 3) a moral failure and 4)a sexual pervert. As Halperin pointed out, it is impossible to BOTH be sick and blameworthy in respect to the same defect, but this is only incompatible in logic terms. In political terms, in the epistemology of the homophobe, such contradictions reinforce one another systematically to denirate the homosexual.

    Conversley, the same homophobes construction of heterosexuality does not sustain scrutiny: It is claimed simultaneously as 1) a social norm 2) a perfectly natural condition into which everyone is born and into which everyone rows up 3) a highly laudable accomplishment that one is entitled to take pride in and for which deserves no small amount of personal and social credit, and 4) a frighteningly unstable and precarious state that can easily be overthrown (Halperin 1995, 46).

    All these contradictions are seen in the homophobic posts above. Now, all Daily Wail readers please get someone to read you a dictionary (its like the bible, only true) to teach you the long words. Start with “a” the indefinate article. Thats you.

  77. .

    Matt B

    Yes, another good example of obfuscation and dissembling!

    Show at least a small modicum of reason, rather than bulls..t

    .

  78. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 6:45pm

    “Egale’s vision is to help make schools across Canada a safe and inclusive place for lesbian, gay, bi, trans and questioning youth, for children of LGBT people, and for LGBT teachers and school staff.

    To do so, schools must not only have proactive and comprehensive discrimination and harassment policies, they must also ensure the presence of an inclusive curriculum and positive role models.”

    muddy: blow it out your ear, dearie, and take your thesaurus with you.

    Now please don’t take that the wrong way. That would be deviate behavior, what.

  79. .

    Bentham

    Please, please, not more aimless drivel!

    .

  80. David Skinner – Tatchell wants people to be equal and your rant about women is irrelevant, many people see the parallels between racism and homophobia but (predictable) the bigots lie there is none
    there are also proven parallels between the marriage claims

  81. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 7:05pm

    muddy, dahlink!

    so, not all the monkeys are in the zoo, eh.

    how nice to have you back. any news from uganda?

    now please don’t take that the wrong way.

  82. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 7:07pm

    “Egale’s vision is to help make schools across Canada a safe and inclusive place for lesbian, gay, bi, trans and questioning youth, for children of LGBT people, and for LGBT teachers and school staff.

    To do so, schools must not only have proactive and comprehensive discrimination and harassment policies, they must also ensure the presence of an inclusive curriculum and positive role models.”

  83. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 7:18pm

    @75:

    “Children need protection from, not exposure to, the damaging nature of homosexuality itself.”

    Yea right, tell that to Uganda’s reverend Ssempa who’s been showing XXX gay porn to children IN CHURCH!!!

    Now if that ain’t ‘obfuscation and dissembling”, I don’t know what is, especially since it is illegal to possess homosexual pornography in Uganda.

    You take the cake, MC.

  84. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 7:26pm

    Support Egale Canada’s Safe School Campaign; Sign the Petition:

    https://www21.safesecureweb.com/egale/index.asp?lang=&menu=1&item=1172

    * * * Gay Rights are Human Rights * * *

  85. Riondo: “The length of David Skinner’s posts is impressive. It is quite difficult to type with one hand.”

    Riondo, Would you PLEASE refrain from such comments again.
    I have just had to wipe down my monitor having just sprayed Coke across my desk.

  86. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 7:53pm

    Messieur Skinnair, your posts are a a serious affront to internationally accepted human rights standards.

    The good news is: The Taliban have a place for you!

  87. david skinner 5 Mar 2010, 8:00pm

    Gordon Brown has said “I promise you that no one need walk the road to equality alone again.”
    In Mathew 7: 13- 14 Jesus Christ says, “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it.

    The road to hell is indeed broad where all behaviours are inclusive, non discriminatory, diverse and above all equal. So we are promised the company of Gordon Brown to hell but we are also promised the total absence of God.

    The road that Gordon Brown earmarks for Christians is indeed narrow. It is one where we are not tolerated, where we are discriminated against, excluded, persecuted and denied equal rights. But didn’t Jesus Christ say that if we followed him, we would indeed suffer persecution, just as they are in North Korea, China and throughout Islamic countries – and now in western Europe.

    Matthew 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    Well, unlike the homosexual who is driven down the broad highway to destruction with Gordon holding him by the hand, I choose to follow Christ.

  88. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 8:11pm

    Aw, you can do better than that, Davey.

    Think…THINK. Why??? Because that’s what minds are for, dear.

    Go East, young man. Iran needs ya!

  89. RobN – So sorry. I am told that if one rubs it with warm soapy water the results are most satisfactory(the MONITOR: what did you THINK I meant?).
    David Skinner: have a butcher’s at Matthew 25. He (or a divine judge the good Jew Jesus didn’t even identify with himself) welcomes people into the Kingdom of Heaven who haven’t even heard of him simply because they have done right by their neighbour – certainly not because they believe nonsense at once selective and literalistic about a bunch of old texts as you seem to do.

  90. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 8:27pm

    As I said:

    “Egale’s vision is to help make schools across Canada a safe and inclusive place for lesbian, gay, bi, trans and questioning youth, for children of LGBT people, and for LGBT teachers and school staff.

    To do so, schools must not only have proactive and comprehensive discrimination and harassment policies, they must also ensure the presence of an inclusive curriculum and positive role models.”

    I cannot repeat it too often, and besides, it does concern the issue at hand.

    Homophobia in unacceptable behavior, Davey, because it is hatred.

  91. David Skinner wrote
    “According them, the fact that homosexuals die before their sell by date has nothing to do with their sexual behaviour.”

    Skinner you reveal how you see homosexuals. . . when you use terms like “Sell by date” what you are really saying is the following.

    1. Gays are dispensable . . . like food commodities
    2. Gays are Subhuman . . . like a food objects
    3. Gays are diseased . . . like rotten food past its sell by date.

    Skinner you really have past your sell by date morally . . . haven’t you

    Evil man – Evil man – Evil man

  92. david skinner 5 Mar 2010, 9:11pm

    Rionodo, may I recommend that you read the whole of Matthew and not pluck out a few verses in support of your theory that we can ever earn our way to heaven through good works. What Christ is saying here is that there is no place for hypocrites. People will be judged on whether their lives match up to what they claim. By your reckoning the thief on the cross, who was hardly in a position to do good works would be condemned, but Christ turned to him and said today you will be with me in paradise. He saw into his heart and knew that the man was sincere.

    Our best deeds are but filthy rags. But Christ will take our attempt to emulate him, no matter how imperfectly as proof of conversion. But remember he knows our frame and hearts. Nothing is hidden from him.

    As for your dismissal of the word of God, that is synonymous with Christ ( In the beginning was the word …..) Christ had a great deal to say about it.

    Matthew 5: 1-20 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Later on, after the resurrection, when he met some disciples on the road to Emmaus, it says in
    Luke 24 :25, 26 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

    Listen, there are no such creatures as homosexuals and there is no such thing as homophobia. I have no fear or hatred of a creature that does not exist. But I do have a hatred of sexual behaviour that leads our children to death.

  93. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 9:20pm

    “But I do have a hatred of sexual behaviour that leads our children to death.”

    Are you talking about the habits of heterosexuals who don’t know how to raise their children, but who sure know how to produce them?

    If not, you are way off on a tangent again, David, not to mention out on a limb because your posts are your posts are a serious affront to internationally accepted human rights standards.

  94. David Skinner – “Listen, there are no such creatures as homosexuals…” So by your own logic you’ve been arguing with non existant creatures for your last umpteen posts.
    Well at least I’m detecting a pattern here of talking to stuff that doesn’t exist. Trouble is you have difficulty in telling the difference between things that do exist and things that don’t. Maybe I can help. Unless you’re having a psychotic break or an extended LSD trip, the things that do exist tend to be visible and answer you when you speak to them. And they tend not to be omniscient and omnipresent because that would be insane.
    Here’s a diagram
    http://intepid.com/res/417.gif
    Funny too that your insistance that homosexuals don’t actually exist contrary to all available evidence matches the philosophy of another troll we had here last month. Is Mbosarama one of your sockpuppets by any chance?

  95. David Skinner: “Rionodo, may I recommend that you read the whole of Matthew and not pluck out a few verses in support of your theory…”

    Whyever not? You bible-bashers cherry-pick all the time, constantly quoting choice nuggets from Revelations and Leviticus at us, yet choosing to omit those portions of the Bible that cannot withstand close scrutiny.

    I have yet to see ANY Christian respond back when asked why they do not follow all the other rules laid down in Leviticus.
    Or David, will you be a first?

  96. David Skinner wrote
    “Listen, there are no such creatures as homosexuals”

    David . . . so why are you visiting a gay website if gays do not exist.

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “. . . and there is no such thing as homophobia.”

    David . . . We understand that there is no homophobia in Dorset or the Baptist church you attend. . . think not!!!

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “I have no fear or hatred of a creature that does not exist.”

    David . . . so why did you spear head a 20,000 + petition to protest against gay rights legislation
    http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?p=21681islation

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner wrote
    “But I do have a hatred of sexual behaviour that leads our children to death.”

    David so why are you not raging at paedophile priests in the Roman Catholic Church

  97. david skinner 5 Mar 2010, 10:59pm

    How dreadful are the curses which homosexuality lays on those who are enslaved to it! Besides the militant frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful evolutionary fatalism. The effects are increasingly apparent in many countries. The rise in sexual violence, promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, mental instability, suicidal tendencies, drug taking, a threat to the economy, a hatred of truth, justice and righteousness, a threat to freedom of speech, freedom of conscience and thought itself, a terrible threat to children, and a threat to marriage and the family exist wherever the followers of the Prophet, Alfred Kinsey rule or live.
    A degraded and perverted sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity, sanctity and humanity. The fact that with homosexuality every woman becomes a second class citizen, simply a machine for bearing children, must delay the final extinction of sado – masochism, bondage and sexual slavery, until homosexuality has ceased have its terrible hold on men .
    Individual homosexuals may show splendid qualities. Many become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die in the cause of equality and diversity, but the influence of Hegelian, Marxist and Kinseyesque ideology paralyses the personal and social development of those who follow it.
    Apart from Islam, no stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
    Far from being moribund, homosexuality is a militant and proselytising ideology. It has already spread throughout Britain and other western nations, raising strutting and cavorting followers at every gay pride parade. No technology, no reasoned debates, no appeal to common sense, or health and safety can stop this cancer eating away at the heart of our nation. Just as ancient Greece and Rome vainly struggled with inner moral decay so we too are condemned to fall, unless by a supreme recovery of moral courage and martial vigour we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden times.
    My apologies to Winston Churchill

    Though it might have taken over a hundred years to finally give birth, the homosexual as a distinct species of human being, both as product and in turn as a carrier of Hegelian philosophy, has suddenly taken his place and is now dominating society. This phenomena has taken many of us by surprise, not least the so called homosexual himself. In the same way that the Aryan master race were supposed to have evolved to become the very incarnation of Nazi ideology in Germany, so the homosexual has become the very incarnation of Hegelian/ Marxist/ Darwinian ideology. That is if one believes the theory of evolution, which tragically the majority of society has accepted as scientific fact. The link between Nazism and homosexuality has been described at some length by Johann Hari in an online article entitled, The Strange Overlap between Homosexuality and Fascism.

    There is nothing new in either the emotional and physical attraction towards someone of the same sex or to someone of the opposite sex. What is modern therefore is a change of name to the pseudo scientific and spurious nomenclature of “homosexuality.” This was a nineteenth century construct, invented by Károly Mária Kertbeny, inspired no doubt by Darwin. It was an attempt to legitimise homosexuality by making it genetic, a distinct sex, innate, immutable – maybe even more highly evolved than its antithesis, “heterosexuality,” another bogus “orientation”- coined later by the zoologist, Gustave Jager. At one time homosexuality was classed as a psychological disorder, now like transgender it describes a type of mythical being.
    Others who contributed to the creation of the homosexual were Ulrichs and Krafft- Ebing.

    But listen your posts are a serious affront to internationally accepted standards of homosexuals. I was expecting far more hatred, denial, and loss of reason. You will have to do much better than that.

  98. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 11:01pm

    ‘A great deal of mischief gets licensed in the name of faith, giving people “infallible” backing for their prejudices.’
    -Dr. Jon Corvino

  99. David Skinner lives in Dorset

    This is what he looks like. (If he removes the picture now that we are on to him, I have a copy I can send you, or join “My pink news to get a copy)
    http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/localiser/MyProfile.asp?sp=&v=1&memno=105633

    Lets protest out side his church and the school where he teaches.

  100. david skinner 5 Mar 2010, 11:40pm

    That’s not bad, JohnK for infringment into someone’s private life. It’s not bad as an example of intimidatory behaviour that could fetch you a prison sentence, if not a hefty fine. What you have done is no different to what Colin Haw did.
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12504.html/.

    If he could receive a hefty sentence for blasting someone’s photograph all over the web, why should you also not receive the same justice. I just hope that this David Skinner sees his photograph and contacts the police and PinkNews. What other examples of incitement to hatred of innocent members of the public have you got up your sleeves, John?

  101. Jean-Paul Bentham 5 Mar 2010, 11:59pm

    There’s a lot to be said for bicycle seats, eh.

    Big blue eyes, too!

  102. David skinner . . . so it is ok for you to come on to this website and . . .

    1 – Harass homosexuals
    2 – Incite homophobic hatred
    3- Denigrate and abuse homosexuals

    Even though we do not exist!!!

    David – I think you will find that it is pink news readers who have a picture to send to the police, a picture to send to the police of a persistent homophobe who keeps stalking gay websites.

    David your picture is on a public website. How strange you should complain of privacy infringements.

    David how did your recent sitting go at the British Mueseam

  103. David I understand that you refused to move from the British Museam, and that you put up a good protest . . . at least you are true to your perverse paranoid petitions.

    What next David ???

  104. David Skinner: You have written much, but said nothing, and have still not replied to my question.

    Why do Christians only follow certain rules laid down in Leviticus, but not others?

    I await in eager anticip…

  105. Jean-Paul Bentham 6 Mar 2010, 2:27am

    Listen, David, listen;

    just listen, willya.

    Listen…..

    Hear it?? Just keeping listening, buddy. Listen.

  106. Jean-Paul Bentham 6 Mar 2010, 3:35am

    bonehead.

    Now don’t take that the wrong way.

  107. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 6:41am

    That’s better, much better. Keep it coming boys and girls, (whoops, sorry I am not allowed to use those stereotypes either). I love it when the mask of homosexual humanity is cast aside and the real face of christianophobic hatred is revealed in all its nakedness. Where is the rest of the crew? Why are they not here exercising their absolute homosexual right to abuse and absolute homosexual freedom to hatred speech?

    Ian Mckellen also visited the Perry Beeches School in Birmingham, to talk about homophobic bullying and equality. But when one discovers the background of the headmaster, Liam Nolan, one realises that it was not so much Mckellen being invited to the school as he inviting himself.
    In 2007, two years ago, The Sun Newspaper reported that :
    “A GAY head teacher is to keep his 64,000-a-year job despite being convicted over a sex act with a man in a park. Liam Nolan, 39, was spotted by undercover cops with 58-year-old jobless builder John Brown.
    Both men denied outraging public decency, with Nolan insisting: I know the place is used for gays to gather, but I just went there for a walk to clear my head and relieve myself.
    Nolan was appointed at Birmingham’s 880-pupil Perry Beeches secondary school in April while awaiting trial.
    A jury at Wolverhampton Crown Court heard he had left his live-in partner at his flat in Birmingham city centre to go to the park at Sandwell Valley, near West Bromwich, last June.
    Police saw him and Brown engaged in oral sex.”
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article232196.ece

    Look closely at the facial expressions of all those in this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfsBEMFgqGs

    This is a letter of outrage from the lesbian Sue Sanders from Schools Out who describes Lian Nolan’s behaviour as mere extra curriculum fun:

    http://blog.schools-out.org.uk/blog/_archives/2007/6/16/3025810.html

    Note her outrage at Liam Nolan’s personal details being blasted over the press, including his address. And yet, here JohnK feels free to post the personal details of someone who at this moment has probably never heard of Pinknews and will not understand why he and his family have been made vulnerable to physical and verbal attack. I certainly will contact the police over this hate incident.

    One wonders what Sue Sanders would have to say about one of her tribe, the chief executive of the LGBT Scottish Youth? Was this also extra curriculum fun?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1178354/Gay-rights-campaigner-led-double-life-leader-paedophile-ring-carried-catalogue-child-abuse.html

    How long before children at the Perry Beeches School are taught, under compulsion, how to perform oral sex and fisting during sex education classes? Is this the kind of behaviour underwritten by the General Teaching Council, Ofsted, the DCSF and the government? Are teachers Head teachers expected to be role models? If not, why are they demanding that CRB checks to be carried out on the parents who home – school their children?

  108. david skinner – gays, lesbians and bisexuals exist as does homophobia, there are even LBG Christians and many on here do not hate Christians, Christianophobia doesn’t exist as a term and you are even getting beaten by Robn who I agree with for a first time
    LBG are not pedophiles you *****
    fisting etc wouldn’t get taught

  109. Blimey with all that ranting I do hope David didn’t forget to clean out his cave.

  110. Two points David –

    Hetrosexual people have been practising those sexual activities for, well forever, so your argument about that being taught in schools is seriously flawed.

    For my next point, in my experience most homophobia comes from someone who is desperately trying to hide the fact they have an secret desire about being gay but feel the need to have to hide it, usually in a nasty manner. I don’t know about anybody else but you seem to be almost obsessed with gay sex to the point I actually think you think about it more than actual LGBT people do. You call us perverts but your the one who can’t stop going on about it.

    Earlier you said you were certainly in no position to judge…

    So Don’t!

  111. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 9:51am

    Homosexuality is a condition not a state of being. Leprosy, alcoholism,blindness and so on are conditions. There are no evolutionary species of being that are designed to be leprous, alcoholic or blind. If that were the case, we would not try to cure them. As for fisting, it is already being introduced into American schools under the influence of Kevin Jennings.

    http://biggovernment.com/jhoft/2009/12/08/fistgate-ii-high-school-students-given-fisting-kits-at-kevin-jennings-2001-glsen-conference/

    Chester, I am not interested in winning arguments with people who do not even function according to reason and debate. Why should waste precious time casting pearls before swine. Come to think of it I am not interested in winning arguments at all. This is no intellectual or abstract contest. You might convince me hands down that the sun is the moon and green is red, or a man is a woman, but we do live in a real world that is no respecter of semantics or sophistry. Death is one of those realities

  112. David Skinner…
    Gotta love the little mantra you open your posts with
    “That’s better, much better. Keep it coming boys and girls, (whoops, sorry I am not allowed to use those stereotypes either). I love it when the mask of homosexual humanity is cast aside and the real face of christianophobic hatred is revealed in all its nakedness. Where is the rest of the crew? Why are they not here exercising their absolute homosexual right to abuse and absolute homosexual freedom to hatred speech?”
    Projection much?
    It seems you’re actually disappointed when we don’t abuse you. You remind me of Stewie off “Family Guy” hysterically screaming “DANCE PUPPETS, DANCE” when he brings out the worst in a culturally diverse group he’s just spent the last hour deliberately provoking.
    Do you actually revel in bringing out the worst in people to suit your pre-ordained prejudices? I thought that was supposed to be satan’s job. Are you his stand-in?
    I think you might just be the worst advert for Christianity since Torquemada.
    Please feel free to homeschool your kids but don’t be surprised when their academic qualifications amount to diddly squat and they don’t get into uni.

  113. Come on David.
    Still waiting for an answer…
    The man with a book that is supposedly the word of God cannot explain to us why he only does “bits” of what God tells him, but chooses to ignore the rest…

    Might I suggest the reason is that you are a f_cking hypocrite?

    Might I also suggest a couple of lines myself:
    “Do not judge lest ye be judged theyself”
    and “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

    You are beneath contempt.

  114. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 10:24am

    Homosexuality is certainly one of the main topics being discussed throughout the world. People might want to run away from it or pretend that it doesn’t effect them, but sooner or later it is going to be in their face. My concentration on homosexuality is not for its own sake. One only has to attend a conference of LGBTs to be bored out of one’s brains with the repetition of the mantras, equality,diversity,non- discrimination and enclusion. My interest lies in the philosophy from which it was birthed, Hegelianism, and the political movement, cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School, for which homosexuality is the trojan horse. Homosexuality destroys , like nothing else, truth, morals, categories, health, marriage, the family, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, the destruction of the conscience, the economy, social cohesion and stabililty and above all the destruction of our children. Homosexuality, as it has done with the majority of civilisations and cultures that have collapsed from within, will lead to anarchy ( thanks to Angela Mason, Ian Mckellen and Ben Summerskill. Meet the lady herself.
    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Society/Pix/pictures/2007/11/13/2angelamason.jpg). This will leave Islam to fill the vacuum.

  115. I suspect the biggest threat to these religious culties is that they fear others who actually use their brain to make up their own decisions/mind.

    Religious people have to repeat other’s opinions they never make up their own hence all the text – thank God for copy and paste.

    They think they are eductated but actually prove from their bigotted ideas that they are in fact far from being educated. So much so they actually think the clap-trap they spew is something none of us have ever heard before. Seriously why do we need to read the Bible when we have bigots who use their religious text for their hate, to tell us.

    I’d probably be more interested in he got to know gay people, (and no we don’t want sex with you)and had an open mind rather than a closed one.

    Why argue with a fool whose come on trying to make us feel bad and him feel better, when all he does is make himself the bigger fool.

  116. David – if your family is being destroyed by homosexuality and none of your family are actually homosexuals, I’ve got to ask, how?
    Unlike christians we’re not on a recruitment drive, that’s your lot. There are enough genuine gays to go round, we don’t need to convert from unwilling straight people. Besides which the vast majority of us come from families, so why the hell would we be anti-family?
    If your family is in such a sorry state that all it takes is seeing or listening to a gay person for it to buckle I suggest you look closer to home for the cause.

  117. Sister Mary clarence 6 Mar 2010, 10:47am

    “If not, why are they demanding that CRB checks to be carried out on the parents who home – school their children? ”

    Its an interesting point Dave, although no particularly relevant to the story or the current debate, however ….

    Statistics show that child abuse is overwhelming more likely to be carried out by a birth parent (male or female), with the second highest group being non-birth parents (male and female). Protecting vulnerable children I know is an issue close to your heart, so in addition to CRB checks do you have any suggestions how we can protect children from the filthy desires of their (heterosexual) parents.

    Looking at the stats for homosexuals actually abusing kids they are far lower, lower even that abuse by peers (siblings, pre-adult friends etc).

    On paper it certainly looks like we’d do better taking kids away from heterosexual couples and placing them in the care of gay people.

    With the prevalence of abuse involving the catholic church it looks like religious belief may be quite a significant danger zone, and I think here the danger is not just from those IN the church, but those who follow it. I say this because I think really we have all KNOWN for years that priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals, the whole lot, have had their hands down the pants of every adolescent they could get those hands on, and yet parents have continued to direct their children into the care of these perverts.

    Blind stupidity is in any event no defense in the eyes of the law and even now when the whole thing is blown open, priests are still regularly invited into homes where children are present, and children sent to church (the lion’s den) and Sunday school on a weekly basis.

    For the sake of the children I think it time to really start thinking carefully about removing kids from the care of heterosexuals, starting first with those with any sort of religious convictions.

  118. It’s very sad but I don’t think David wants to see anything but in his own bigotted mind. Guess that’s the problem with narrow-minded people they live very small lifes. I don’t believe the gift of life was giving for us to limit the possibilties. There’s so much to it.

    Everyone’s different. Life would be very dull if we were all the same. You choose to be open minded or to be closed. The minute you choose to limit, well your kind of done really.

  119. David Skinner wrote
    “JohnK feels free to post the personal details of someone who at this moment has probably never heard of Pinknews and will not understand why he and his family have been made vulnerable to physical and verbal attack. I certainly will contact the police over this hate incident.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David Skinner . . . I have already contacted the police, they are aware that you are a religous fantatic; and are watching you.

    Your British Mueseam stunt has laready alerted them to this fact.
    http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?p=15284

    David please do contact the police and make a fuss, we want the police to see how you use these threads to incite hatred and violence towards homosexual people.

    Many thanks
    JohnK

  120. David Skinner –
    Sorry, you are engaging in fundamentalist projection. I am not quoting Matthew 25 to support a ‘theory’. The point is that there is no coherent view of Jesus in the New Testament or even within Matthew(not a theory – observable fact. And the point is inescapable that the judge figure welcomes people who don’t even seem to know who he is). Chapter 25 sits uncomfortably with Jesus’ other quoted insistences on the prescriptive validity of Torah, just as do other passages where he declares that the Law is made for man, and not the other way around. ‘Justification by faith’ and what can be considered the revolting notion of ‘the atoning blood of Jesus’ are Pauline inventions which came to dominate an early Church facing state persecution (a suffering God is a big seller in such circumstances) and a need to institutionalise itself as a ‘channel of redeeming grace’. It was also pretty unconcerned by contradictions in the books it came to call holy (yes, David, please remember that the Church preceeded the notion that any of this stuff was ‘holy scripture’)because literalism such as yours never really occurred to anyone until printing was invented (all technologies have a down side). What is most fascinating about the corpus is what folks like you always deny – that it doesn’t add up. But that’s because it’s a complex and evolved human construction!!! Duuuhhhh!!
    Apart from all this, you really should deal with your obsession about people loving and making love with others of their own sex, and wanting to live as openly as heterosexuals without harassment and discrimination. And stop the seedy paranoid fantasies and lies about our destroying society and teaching inventive sex positions to children.

  121. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 12:30pm

    Riondo, the incoherence, inconsistencies, and I could add, denials, cognitive dissonance and sheer blindness, are entirely on your side. Anyone mistakenly entering a nuclear physics laboratory, expecting it to be grocery store, and then complaining that it must be a pile of rubbish, would be regarded as a bit backward. This is obviously not the place to get involved in serious Bible discussion, for that you need to sign up for course like Christianity Explored.

  122. David Skinner we understand you are retired Art teacher.

    http://www.christianstogether.net/Articles/178276/Christians_Together_in/Christian_Life/Christians_and_Politics/Art_Teacher_writes.aspx

    David Skinner . . . “Retired” is really a euphemism isn’t it

    David . . . what was it . . . “Young Boys or Young Girls”, i.e. the real reason why your had to retire early.

  123. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 12:39pm

    I am afraid time is up, I am summoned to work in garden and clear out the shed. But I would like to leave, at least agreeing with you all on one point, regarding the Catholic Church. Paedophilia and Ephebophila have been rife within it and it is not being done by paedophiles, ephebophiles or even, surprise, surprise by homosexuals. Guess who is doing it? It is being done by men to boys. As I said before there is no such thing as homosexual or a heterosexual. The men of Sodom and Gibea were not homosexuals, they were men who allowed their sexual urges or drives to run riot.

    Though most sexual offences, 60+% of paedophilic and ephobophilic crime, are committed by a small proportion of so called heterosexual men ( 98 % of the population) on girls, this has to be put against the fact that the remaining 30+% paedophilia and ephobophilia is committed by a small proportion of so called homosexual men (1-2 % of the population) of men on boys.
    Clearly this comparatively small number of men sexually abusing boys are punching way above their weight.

    Actually, I am not impressed by statistics and graphs, since both sides can play the numbers game using all kinds of biased methodology.

    Instead we need to look at real flesh and blood cases: real people, real time, real places and real incidences. We could make a start with looking here at the Roman Catholic Church but we could also go and have a look at children abused whilst in the care of social services or in schools, anywhere in fact where children are under the supervision of adults.

    Sorry really must go now, and by the way JohnK I would not want to be in your shoes when that particular David Skinner, whose details you put on web finds out that you have targeted him and his family. He looks a big fella. We’ll just wait and see. Or at least you will.

  124. David Skinner you appear to be threatening me now with violence

    Why is that ?

  125. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 12:57pm

    No JohnK, you will be threatened by prosecution from the police if David discovers what you have done. And yes, he does look like a big fella. Maybe it won’t even be a threat, just action, either from the police or him personally. Really must go now. I have things to do

  126. Oh dear the lengths some go to to ‘get a response’. You and your kind say nothing new, it’s all about hating. It’s actually quite boring you can’t think of anything original.

  127. David . . . you appear to be threatening every LGBT person who reads this threads with violence . . . by stealth

    You are an Evil Despicable Low life individual who feeds of hated and paranoia.

  128. “Homosexuality destroys , like nothing else, truth, morals, categories, health, marriage, the family, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, the destruction of the conscience, the economy, social cohesion and stabililty and above all the destruction of our children. Homosexuality, as it has done with the majority of civilisations and cultures that have collapsed from within….”

    Not very hard to dispute that, David. Quite simply, it’s rubbish. Particularly as you’ve said somewhere in one of your depressing rants (‘depressing’ because the level of your hatred is sickening) that ‘homosexuals’ are a 19th century invention…

    People – ALL people – can be good or bad, but their goodness or badness is in NO WAY linked to their sexuality. By that I mean, bad people can be straight or gay, black or white or Asian, male or female.

    You need to ask yourself one question: Why – WHY – are you so obsessed with gay people? People have made comments about you here, but, seriously, you really do come across as someone who needs psychological help.

    Think about it. Think of a married couple you know where you just can’t see the attraction/any attributes in the wife at all. You might think she’s mean, lazy, etc etc and wonder why the husband married her because you wouldn’t have chosen her in a million years. Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion (although I hope you’d keep it to yourself). But no-one’s asking you to marry someone just like that wife; their marriage in no way harms yours; and they obviously love each other.

    What would people think of you if you went around telling anyone who would listen about your dislike for this woman in an obsessive way and at great length, spent hours outside their house looking at her and stoking up your dislike until you felt seething with self-righteous rage, made up stories about her because she had brown hair and you’d read about someone with brown hair that was a serial killer….. Let me tell you – they’d think you were a nutter. They’d also wonder why on earth you spent so much time thinking about this woman, talking about her, and denigrating her. People would suspect you were actually obsessed with her and found her attractive yet hated yourself for it. They’d also wonder why you just couldn’t forget about her when no-one else was bothered.

    You say offensive and untrue things about gay people because you WANT them to be true. I’m sure you’re not so ignorant that you actually believe they are. But maybe your hate is clouding your mind?

    Gay people make up around 6% of the population. They’re all around you – the nurse who smiled and looked after you; the bus driver who let you off the twopence you were short; the elderly gentleman who was the only person who said good morning to you as you walked down the street; the youth who asked if you needed help when you had a puncture. LGBT people are teachers, policemen and women, lawyers, doctors – and they are no better or worse than their straight colleagues.

    You didn’t like the comparison with racism, but it’s perfectly valid. And, as you know, racists have used a special tract to ‘prove’ that their racist attitudes are right and justified. It’s called the Bible. The Curse of Ham implies that black people are unworthy of god. Offensive and horrible.

    Finally, anyone who disagrees with you is NOT ‘Christianophobic’ any more than those who stood up against racism are. Your brand of Christianity is abhorrent to many other Christians, who understand that Jesus’s message was one of love not hate.

  129. homosexuality is a sexual orientation – not a condition, it’s no surprise you don’t care about winning as you’ll never win spouting the crap you spout

  130. Makes me laugh. You can’t teach someone to be homosexual, it’s the way we are. The way we are born. Religion on the other hand and the attitude towards it is taught. So religious people reverse what they go through and project it onto others. No-one is born a christian, a muslim, a jew etc it is taught. Just as showing hatred to certain sections of society. That is taught. Homophobia, racism.. it’s all taught.

  131. I can only wonder what a rabid homophobe was doing teaching art anyhow, traditionally it’s one of the most liberal academic diciplines there is.
    Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Donatello, Warhol, Hockney, Hambling, Kahlo just to namecheck the household names off the top of my head. If you’re teaching art history I’d just love to hear your take on the renaissance or pop art without refering to gay artists.
    Did you include them with the caveat that they were all abominations and pederasts and the artworld would’ve been better off without them?

  132. Deeside Will 6 Mar 2010, 3:57pm

    So David Skinner used to be a teacher, did he? I just hope to God that he kept his disgusting and despicable anti-gay hang-ups to himself and didn’t poison the minds of vulnerable pupils with them.

  133. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 4:26pm

    Iris, of course men having anal sex with other men has been around since time immemorial. As Solomon said, There is nothing new under the sun. There is also nothing new with one race of people considering another race to be inferior. But was new was that in the 19th century, inspired by Hegel and Darwin, both those who wanted to advance the legitimacy for homosexuality and the Aryan, master race, invoked some quasi scientific theory to prove that these groups had some how evolved genetically. It is a well known fact that before the 19th century there was no such mythical creation called a homosexual; there were only men who practised sodomy.

    If there were such a creature, the state of the homosexual would be immutable; but the unavoidable truth is that many sodomites grow out the phase naturally or get healing. Some don’t. Why is the voice of those who have broken free from its grip silenced by the mass media? Why in fact will it be considered internalised homophobia for those who, through their own free choice, want to change? And yet no one complains when a straight person becomes bent. Why is the choice only one way?

    All people can be good or bad, but their goodness or badness is not linked to genetic influences, such as being black or white, short or tall, left handed or right handed, male or female. But I am afraid our sexual behaviour and with whom we practise it can be either good or bad. Are you really saying that the sexual the behaviour of those like Kevin Greening, who are involved in sexual experiments, that result in their own deaths, are good? Are you really saying that there is nothing wrong with incest, bestiality or necrophilia? I suppose at least a man having sex with a female horse has chosen the right sex as opposed to a man having sex with a stallion, but both are wrong. Iris being black or white are innocuous traits, but I am afraid adultery, fornication and abusing children are wrong, even if they are with the complementary sex!!

    Iris you are suggesting that my revulsion of gay relationships is simply a matter of taste, like vegetarians disliking meat. Marriages may well be formed through partners being drawn to brunettes, blonds, short, tall, talkative, extrovert, introvert or those who complement their temperaments, but nothing of this effects the structure, stability, solidarity, or cohesion of marriage. The family is not made up just of two components but comprises children, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, mums and dad, cousins, grand parents and grandparents. An island full of either “ homosexuals” or “lesbians” would become extinct within a generation, especially if what babies they produced through IVF were aborted. The most elemental component of society is the family. Deconstruct this so that it comes in all shapes and sizes; with partners that can be of any number, be together for any length of time, be of any sex, any species or not even be organic ( there is a woman who has married the Berlin wall and another who has married the Eiffel Tower) and you destroy society.

    Where Iris did you get the 6% figure? Are you sure it is not 10%? May I suggest that you got it from Ben Summerskill of Stonewall and here you are repeating it like the bleating sheep in Animal Farm, “6% of animals are gay. 6% of animals are gay. 6% of animals are gay, 6% of animals are gay.

    Finally Iris the message of Jesus was “ it is finished.” What was finished?

    John 3: 16- 21 says, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

    Hebrews 4:14- 16 also says, “Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

    The offer, Iris is totally free, but it cost the life of Jesus Christ. But in order to receive this free gift, you have to be willing to hand over your life to him.

  134. david skinner 6 Mar 2010, 4:43pm

    Flapjack, sodomites come from all walks of life. Just because they might be artistic or musical doesn’t excuse what they do? Robert King of the Kings consort , who recently came out of prison for abusing and destroying the lives of boys, was the founder of one of the most prestigious baroque orchestras in Britain. Does this then give the green light to paedophilia?
    Children were recently shown the bust of Hadrian and his boy lover Antinous, in the British museum , does this mean that we encourage ephebophilia? Hadrian also carried out one of the first holocausts of the Jews, does this mean that genocide is good?
    Elton John did a performance in the Albert Hall some years back that simulated scouts and cubs have simulated sex. Just a bit of fun, he called it – in the same genre as Benny Hill. That was not the way the Scouting Association saw it.

  135. Jean-Paul Bentham 6 Mar 2010, 5:08pm

    @123-

    “… we need to look at real flesh and blood cases: real people, real time, real places and real incidences.”

    M-m-m…isn’t that exactly what has been brought to light here, a real person.

    I do believe David Skinner is destined for national infamy on the scale of a Fred Phelps, a Martin Ssempa, an Iris Robinson.

  136. Jean-Paul Bentham 6 Mar 2010, 5:52pm

    @112:

    “You remind me of Stewie off “Family Guy” hysterically screaming “DANCE PUPPETS, DANCE” when he brings out the worst in a culturally diverse group he’s just spent the last hour deliberately provoking.”

    Good one, fj. That’s David Skinner in a nutshell.

  137. David Skinner at Comment 52 responded to my challenge but laughably could not rise to it.

    I had said that absolutely everything that squelches out of the ars&-hole that he wears on the front of his head is predicated upon the existence of a great big clever ghost whom he calls “God”. I asked him to provide one smidgeon of evidence that his
    pixie-in-the-sky exists!

    He failed to. All that the pathetic robotic twisted little nark could come up with is that I am the antithesis of his “pixie-in-the-sky”! Well, I suppose in that is a kind of acknowledgement that his “God” is indeed no more than a pixie-in-the-sky!

    John K, great work at identifying David Skinner! I see that the link to his picture doesn’t work any longer and it now redirects elsewhere. I will be going to “MY” at PinkNews to ask you to send me a copy. Good work.

    We’re on to you Skinner!

    Keep your head low, boy!

  138. Sister Mary Clarence wrote at #117, true to his usual hysterical and totally over-the-top and exaggerated fashion:

    “I think really we have all KNOWN for years that priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals, the whole lot, have had their hands down the pants of every adolescent they could get those hands on, and yet parents have continued to direct their children into the care of these perverts.”

    No, “the whole lot” have not “had their hands down the pants of every adolescent they could get those hands on”.

    That is entirely untrue.

    Besides believing in a lot of Xian gobbledegook, the majority of your “whole lot” have provided children with a good education and have not abused their positions of authority.

  139. aww, skinner’s never had so much attention in all his life, he must feel very popular.
    i feel sorry for people like him who bang on about the bible like its a true story! he must be very depressed to have to believe a fairy tale to make himself feel better.
    i seriously think religious people are temporarily mentally retarded and should be treated in such a way. they need help. there is something wrong with them. we need clinics to treat religious people and cure them of their abominable beliefs. like de brainwashing centres, where they are shown that their religious texts are metaphors and opinions and fictional stories, books to help them get through life, not true stories that should be taken literally and that need to be obeyed like a slave.
    i mean he probably really believes that a man walked on water, and that a virgin gave birth to a human being, and that someone came back to life after being dead for 3 days, and that snakes can talk, and that something made the world in 7 days. weird. but, hey, maybe his mum just died and he needs to believe in that stuff cause he’s hurting, or maybe he is really unloved by everyone so has to believe his imaginary friend jesus loves him. aww. poor fella. what are we gonna do with them?
    btw skinner, i am a prophet sent from god, and he has sent me to tell people like you, you’ve got it all wrong – god loves homosexuals – god has sent me to tell homosexuals they will inherit the earth, and any homophobe will go to hell for eternity and burn in the flames of their own hatred. so you’d better watch out. you post one more negative comment and you’re dammed. i will tell god, and he knows where you live, and he will come and get you.

  140. Slightly worrying development:
    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/harryhammond/#detail

    Spot who submitted the petition in the first place.

  141. “Iris being black or white are innocuous traits, but I am afraid adultery, fornication and abusing children are wrong, even if they are with the complementary sex!!”

    That’s a total non sequitur. You’re assuming LGBT people do all the things you’ve listed. Of course, some do, just as some staright people do. BUT the vast majority of LGBT people DON’T. I know that must annoy you. It’s far easier to demonise gay people when you label them paedophiles, isn’t it?

    I fear I’m wasting my time here, but MOST LGBT people lead perfectly normal, mundane, law-abiding lives and have loving relationships with one person. By all means criticise adultery, if you want, because that’s a choice, but being gay isn’t. You tried to argue above that it is – and, of course, it HAS to be, doesn’t it, so you and your fellow fundies can criticise it – but it can demonstrably be shown NOT to be a choice. Although the precise mechanism of gayness hasn’t been proved, it HAS been shown that it’s not a choice. People can lie about their sexuality or try to hide it or ignore ir, but, with suitably placed monitors, any person’s sexual arousal can be measured both in their brain and in their body. This arousal can’t be hidden. Gay people are wired to react to people of the same sex, they don’t choose to. Do you think anyone would CHOOSE to be gay and be subjected to the kind of abuse you’ve written here?

    I’ve just noticed that you started off by mentioning anal sex. Bit of an obsession with people like you, it appears. Why? If you don’t like it, don’t do it. Straight people have anal sex aswell. Being gay is about LOVING someone of the same sex, it’s NOT about anal sex, any more than being straight is. I also noticed you completely negelcted to mention women. I presume we don’t count?

    I wrote 6% as the figure for LGBT people because I’d recently read both 5 and 7%, so I went for the middle to be fair. Personally, I think the number’s probably higher, but I felt 6% was a modest figure to put and that it wouldn’t distract you from the discussion. Whatever the figure – 5, 6, 7, 10% – the percentage of gay people stays the same. Funny that, isn’t it, when we’re supposed to have been ‘recruiting’ over the last few decades….

    “The offer, Iris is totally free, but it cost the life of Jesus Christ. But in order to receive this free gift, you have to be willing to hand over your life to him. ”

    I respect your right to believe in God (I’m an agnostic). However, those final two quotes of yours are irrelevant. They only mean something to you because you’ve already made up your mind that LGBT people are evil. Therefore the quotes about evil people not being saved or whatever, in your mind clearly refer to gay people. But that’s a flawed argument: gay people are evil, god says evil people will go to hell, therefore gay people will go to hell. That’s bad logic. I can do that to. I happen to dislike football, so let me try. Football fans are evil, god sends evil people to hell, therefore – dah dah – football fans are going to hell.

    A question, David – do you belive that every word of the Bible is literally true and should be followed and obeyed as the word of God?

  142. Deeside Will 6 Mar 2010, 9:19pm

    David Skinner,

    What you write has no connection with reality. Of course “the homosexual” is an invention, in the sense that it is a construct, but only in the sense that all other classifications are also constructs. That doesn’t mean that the constructed classifications don’t describe reality; they do, and they are valid for that purpose.

    We could say, for instance, that the classification of human voices is an invention in that sense, which it is. It hasn’t been used throughout history, and it still isn’t used, as far as I’m aware, in pop music. That doesn’t mean that sopranos, contraltos, tenors, baritones etc. don’t exist. Luigi Alva did NOT have the same type of voice as Boris Christoff, and Kathleen Ferrier did NOT have the same type of voice as Maria Callas.

    You may, if you wish, question the need to classify people according to their sexual orientation (just as one could question the need to classify people according to their hair colour, eye colour, handedness or whatever), but that can’t nullify the fact that there are people who find that all the people whom to whom they are erotically attracted are people of their own sex. I’m one of them, as are many of the other people who comment on this blog. To deny that our sexuality exists or to claim that it exists only in our imagination is ludicrous.

    Some have in the past attempted to explain this natural phenomenon in terms of a third sex – actually they’d need at least a fourth one to cover both gay men and lesbians – but there is no reason to suspect that there is any such thing: to quote Laplace, “Je n’ai pas besoin de cette hypothèse.” Others have suggested that it is some kind of illness, disease or disorder, but there is no logical or objective reason to believe that either. If reality doesn’t accord with your naïve and simplistic paradigm of human sexuality, then so much the worse for your paradigm. As an eminent philosopher once said, “I have had to accept the fact that the universe has not been drawn up to my specifications.” You may plead that your paradigm is based on Scripture, but that is no reason for not outgrowing it, just as you have presumably outgrown the naïve model of the universe indicated in Genesis: “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also [!].”

    As for a gay gene, that hypothesis has long been abandoned, so I don’t know why you bring it up now. I suspect that you’re just using it as an Aunt Sally in order to make your own eccentric position look stronger. It is now generally agreed that, IF sexual orientation is either wholly or partly determined by genetic factors, it won’t be determined by a single gene. I’m informed that there isn’t a single gene determining eye colour or skin colour either, but those characteristics are undoubtedly genetically determined.

    Sexuality can, of course, be expressed in ways that are undesirable, bad and destructive, but homosexuality as such, just like heterosexuality as such, is good and beautiful; gay love is good and beautiful; and gay sex as an expression of gay love is good and beautiful. In words which were put into the mouth of Queen Elizabeth I in a children’s story that I read years ago: “Let us enjoy the good things in this world, for they will surely brighten our path onto the next.”

    By the way, I’ve got several Bibles in my home, in various versions and languages, so I can read it whenever I choose. There’s no need for you to keep reproducing huge chunks of it in your posts. Nor do I require to read your glosses on it, thank you.

  143. @ Rob N – How is that a worrying development? Given everything he’s demonstrated here over months of consistant trolling, David Skinnner (sic.) submitting that petition to Downing street is as predictable as the pope being catholic or bears defecating in the woods.
    If anyone was going to do it, it might as well be him. Let x=x.

  144. Mihangel apYrs 6 Mar 2010, 11:10pm

    so Skinner’s progressed from berating and preaching to us, he’s now starting a positive attack on our rights. How long before there’s a petition to allow people of “belief” to refuse service to us?

  145. BrazilBoysBlog 6 Mar 2010, 11:36pm

    @143. I agree. As usual, Mr Sinnner see´s things purely as he would WISH them to be, not as they truly are… In his petition, he states….

    “The proposed employment provisions set out in Schedule 9, Paragraph 2, subsection 8 of the Equality Bill (the occupational requirements relating to sex, marriage and sexual orientation for the purposes of organised religion) mistakenly seeks to deny integrity and authentic practical religion by separating religious belief and observance from behaviour and denies to religious groups rights that are extended to all other organisations, to employ only those who conform to their beliefs, practices and ethos”

    Rubbish! He is arguing for SPECIAL treatment and exceptions..

    ´extended to all other groups`? So if I and my companies ´beliefs, practices and ethos´ include that I do not like black people, or that I do not like women, then I am currently ALLOWED to discriminate against them under employment law? Of course not. What utter rubbish.

    He seeks to argue that religious bodies should be made a special exception because of their beliefs. Not a worrying development at all. He can petition Downing Street as much as he likes. The EU has already said that granting this exception goes much too far and has required the UK to end it.

    The government has chosen not to act on this. The EU will make it happen anyway.

    Sorry Mr Sinner!

  146. david skinner 7 Mar 2010, 12:16am

    You make it sound very complicated, men defined by the colour of their skin, or shape of their skulls or by their proportions are essentially still men whose characteristics in no way effect their general behaviour. The Olympic games make no differentiation apart from the paraplegics. And yet the gays have organised their own version of the games. Pray what special contribution or difference do gay people bring to the Olympics? Out of 12000 athletes who competed at the Beijing, only eight lesbians and two homosexuals identified themselves as such. If 6%of the population is gay where were the remaining 710 gay athletes? You might as well have a division for those who are vegetarian or those who are meat eaters. Indeed what we are talking about is more akin to appetite than an essential difference in nature.

    The way an appetite or drive is formed is as varied as the length of a piece of string. But the way it works is that if an action produces pleasure, it is more than likely to be repeated and if that action is repeated enough times it become a habit; and if that habit is cultivated it then becomes an ingrained, seemingly impossible to change characteristic. As Popeye the sailor man sadly said, “I yam what I yam.” But this is not true. We are not defined by our appetites or sexual drives. We can with God’s help be set free and we can with the Holy Spirit be changed.

    The American Psychiatric Association (APA) has published 30 sexual drives

    Apotemnophilia – sexual arousal associated with the stump(s) of an Amputee
    Asphyxophilia – sexual gratification derived from activities that involve oxygen deprivation through hanging, strangulation, or other means
    Autogynephilia – the sexual arousal of a man by his own perception of himself as a woman or dressed as a woman (p. 574)
    Bisexual – the capacity to feel erotic attraction toward, or to engage in sexual interaction with, both males and females
    Coprophilia – sexual arousal associated with feces (p. 576)

    Exhibitionism – the act of exposing one’s genitals to an unwilling observer to obtain sexual gratification (p. 569)
    Fetishism/Sexual Fetishism – obtaining sexual excitement primarily or exclusively from an inanimate object or a particular part of the body (p. 570)
    Frotteurism – approaching an unknown woman from the rear and pressing or rubbing the penis against her buttocks (p. 570)
    Heterosexuality – the universal norm of sexuality with those of the opposite sex
    Homosexual/Gay/Lesbian – people who form sexual relationships primarily or exclusively with members of their own gender
    Gender Identity Disorder – a strong and persistent cross-gender identification, which is the desire to be, or the insistence that one is, or the other sex, “along with” persistent discomfort about one’s assigned sex or a sense of the inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex (p. 576)
    Gerontosexuality – distinct preference for sexual relationships primarily or exclusively with an elderly partner
    Incest – sex with a sibling or parent
    Kleptophilia – obtaining sexual excitement from stealing
    Klismaphilia – erotic pleasure derived from enemas (p. 576)
    Necrophilia – sexual arousal and/or activity with a corpse (p. 576)
    Partialism – A fetish in which a person is sexually attracted to a specific body part exclusive of the person (p. 576)
    Pedophilia – Sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger). The individual with pedophilia must be age 16 years or older and at least 5 years older than the child. For individuals in late adolescence with pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified, and clinical judgment must be used; both the sexual maturity of the child and the age difference must be taken into account; the adult may be sexually attracted to opposite sex, same sex, or prefer either (p. 571)
    Prostitution – the act or practice of offering sexual stimulation or intercourse for money
    Sexual Masochism – obtaining sexual gratification by being subjected to pain or humiliation (p. 573)
    Sexual Sadism – the intentional infliction of pain or humiliation on another person in order to achieve sexual excitement (p. 574)
    Telephone Scatalogia – sexual arousal associated with making or receiving obscene phone calls (p. 576)
    Toucherism – characterized by a strong desire to touch the breast or genitals of an unknown woman without her consent; often occurs in conjunction with other paraphilia
    Transgenderism – an umbrella term referring to and/or covering transvestitism, drag queen/king, and transsexualism
    Transsexual – a person whose gender identity is different from his or her anatomical gender
    Transvestite – a person who is sexually stimulated or gratified by wearing the clothes of the other gender
    Transvestic Fetishism – intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving cross-dressing (p. 575)
    Urophilia – sexual arousal associated with urine (p. 576)
    Voyeurism – obtaining sexual arousal by observing people without their consent when they are undressed or engaged in sexual activity (p. 575)
    Zoophilia/Bestiality – engaging in sexual activity with animals (p. 576)

    Allow me to refer to the case of Isabel Quaresma, a Portuguese woman who was found in January 1980 at the age of nine, after she had spent the previous eight years shut in a hen-coop. Her growth was seriously stunted; she held her arms in the position of hens’ wings, and the palms of her hands were calloused. She had been fed on scraps; the same food as the hens received.
    Eventually she was rescued and taken for rehabilitation. The question arises, should the institute that has challenged Isabel’s condition be convicted of an incitement to phobic hatred simply for trying to rehabilitate her?
    One could object, In the case of Isabel Quaresma, and say that no wonder she ended up the way she did because there were no other outside influences to retard her chicken orientation. Whereas people still grow up homosexual with huge influences all around them orientating them towards heterosexuality. But the influences causing people to become homosexual are entirely different to those that caused Isabel to become a chicken. They are powerful psychological and emotional factors that occur whilst the child is in the formative stages of its life, one of which is the onset of puberty and sexual awakening which is a far more powerful agent than being in a chicken coup.

    There is nothing beautiful about putting your sexual organ up the waste passage of another person, male or female. Homosexuals are defined by their promiscuity and rebellious natures. They account for nearly half of sexually transmitted diseases and suffer from a range of emotional and personality disorders. Plus they have a big problem with the truth.

    Madam, do you want you little boy to grow up gay?

    “Oh yes I want” is hardly the reply one would expect, except from some poor women driven by political correctness and intellectual vanity.

  147. David Skinner . . . you seem to be obsessed with a wide range of sexual practices . . . ???

    Why is that ?

  148. “…They account for nearly half of sexually transmitted diseases and suffer from a range of emotional and personality disorders. Plus they have a big problem with the truth.”
    Hmmm, so let me get this straight. We’re taking lectures about emotional and personality disorders from a zealot who spends his entire time obsessively trolling gay news websites like a deranged bunny boiler and lobbying government to legislate against civil rights.
    And we’re taking lectures about having a big problem with the truth and a shaky grasp of reality from a guy who constantly claims the very people he’s arguing with don’t actually exist, who claims to be acting on the authority of an invisible omnicient friend.
    It’s all a bit rich from where I’m standing.

  149. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Mar 2010, 3:46am

    Sounds to me like we’ve got a tiger by the tail, boys.

    @BrazilBoysBlog 145:

    Thanks for the enlightenment!!

    D. Skinner:

    “We can with God’s help be set free and we can with the Holy Spirit be changed.”

    And here I am waiting to see a change in you. Is there a name for what ails you? A change and a cure is possible. Take care.

  150. No-one wants to listen to what you have to say, David Skinner. We’re all gay here, a ‘lost cause’ if you like. You’re wasting your time. You’ve chosen your lifestyle, and we ours. Please, please, go somewhere else and let us actually discuss the article.

  151. david skinner 7 Mar 2010, 9:21am

    Ben we are discussing the fact that ten year old boy called another boy, “gay” and that this was reported by a mischief making bystander, with the consequence that he has now been branded a criminal. Homophobia is a crime that can carry a prison sentence of seven years. Homophobia is not just physically or verbally attacking someone, it is also remaining seated when everyone else is in standing ovation mode, applauding and celebrating sexual disorder.

    What that ten year old boy said, compared to the verbal hatred and incitement to intimidation that I have received on this site is infinitesimal, to say the least. If the law were applied equally, then most of the contributors here would be having the police knocking on their doors in the wee hours of the morning. No what this shows is another symptom of the condition, called homosexuality, which is an extreme hypersensitivity to any form of criticism. Homosexuals have become the new untouchables, and forever, Peter Pans.

  152. David Skinner – gays, lesbians and bisexuals can’t be healed nor is anal disgusting plus some heteros enjoy it, homosexuals aren’t promiscuous etc either and you aren’t being intimidated on here unless you think getting told facts is intimidating
    you are being homophobic and not just critical – so many homophobes think like you

  153. If Homoseuxals have become the new untouchables then maybe people like you are to blame. It proves that you go against the grain of public opinion which is accepting of homosexuality. It is only you that cannot see people for who they are therefore spread hatred against them. It is your unacceptance against the majority of the country’s opinion that then seem to turn you into some kind of marytrs. Maybe if you got your heads out of your bottoms you’d see’d see the light and accept people for who they are. Maybe then the word untouchables wouldn’t even need to be used because we would have a better progressive society.

  154. “What that ten year old boy said, compared to the verbal hatred and incitement to intimidation that I have received on this site is infinitesimal, to say the least.”
    Well seeing as you spend so much of your time here dishing out the hatred and intimidation, you aught to expect a little of it back. In fact as I’ve said before, you seem to relish bringing out the worst in us and actively encourage it.
    “That’s better, much better. Keep it coming boys and girls, (whoops, sorry I am not allowed to use those stereotypes either). I love it when the mask of homosexual humanity is cast aside and the real face of christianophobic hatred is revealed in all its nakedness. Where is the rest of the crew? Why are they not here exercising their absolute homosexual right to abuse and absolute homosexual freedom to hatred speech?”
    Your words, not mine.
    If you GENUINELY don’t like backtalk on a gay website, might I suggest you stick to your Anglican site in future where you can hold court.
    Nobody invited you here, you just showed up and insulted everyone. Time and time again.
    Funny, because at least half the correspondants on the early posts thought the school were being heavy-handed and draconian until you showed up.
    You claim to be acting for the defence of this 10 year old kid, seems to me you’re just building a watertight case for the prosecution.

  155. David Skinner is the one who is using hate-speech and abuse

  156. david skinner 7 Mar 2010, 10:20am

    Squidgey,without any fixed point of reference, like a ship without compass or captain, society will drift in a sea of relativity and will change its attitudes and values according to the political climate. The passengers and crew do not mind where the ship is going, just so long as everything is running smoothly and everyone has the feel- good factor. The only moral compass is a constantly changing political correctness- the average consensus at any particular moment, or the opinions of an elite minority.
    What might be shocking and completely unacceptable behaviour can almost overnight become respectable and what was previously considered to be decent and responsible behaviour can become criminalised.

    Without any fixed, absolute point of reference, human nature has a way of accommodating and becoming comfortable over a period of time with a state of hell. It can gradually sleep walk into becoming hardened, desensitised to cruelty, barbarism and evil, until what was considered abnormal or deviant becomes the acceptable norm, as happened in Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia and now- even Britain. No doubt Germans today still cannot believe that they as a nation descended to such barbarism, just over fifty years ago.
    You must also remember that both at the beginning of the Russian Revolution and the beginning of the Third Reich, the homosexuals were also accepted. Ernst Roehm was the founder of the Storm Troopers no less. But the tide turned against them. So don’t be lured into a sense of false confidence about public opinion that is extremely fickle.

  157. David Skinner – Whereas if the zeitgeist was set in concrete the way you wish it was when your beloved Leviticus was written we’d still be stoning people for wearing mixed fibres and picking up sticks on the sabbath.
    Just because the moral zeitgeist isn’t set in stone, it doen’t necesarily make the new world order better or worse than what went before. That is the function of philosophy and politics, to decide the moral zeitgeist by concensus and fresh insight. Religion sticks its oar in from time to time but religion is no more reliable a moral compass than anything else.
    Only zealots put blind faith in religion to tell them right from wrong. Half the Old Testament would be morally reprehensible by today’s standards, and not just the bits you agree with.

  158. Mr Skinner
    Your particular set of obnoxious Christian Views are a “Life style” choice . . . life style choices do not warrent special privildeges above the law.

  159. I think you answer your own questions when you start to say things like ‘public opinion that is extremely fickle.’

    I assume that is apart from yours and the Christians who speak with you. But then that gets divided because of portions of Christianity that do support gay rights. Not to forget that liberal Judaism, and the Quakers etc who are willing to accept gay people. Your views are really no matter because if your right and it’ll all come to a downfall then why are you here, preaching, when you seem to know it’ll go your way anyway? it’s not your right to ‘safe us’. You’d think religion would learn from the mistakes it makes and let humanity progess. But you don’t – so it won’t.

    I clearly have a stronger belief in God than you but religions cause so much suffering. These are the words of man not God. If people truly believed in God there would be no texts because we all know whats right from wrong. What you believe is in texts written centuries ago for it’s time. You cannot move on. Someone needs to remind you we are in the 21st Century. Someone needs to remind you religion starts wars, famine, greed, poverty etc. Gay people don’t, we just want to be left in peace and choose who we love. You constantly feel the right to deny something that isn’t even yours to deny. You have chosen you way of life, why should anyone question it. But I have that same right. I don’t hurt no-one, I don’t start wars. I don’t create famine, greed or poverty. It is religion and it’s hate that will end the world we live in. Sadly you don’t see that and never will. You don’t have the right to preach to all on here.

    Living in harmony is all our right. Nature should be allow to choose. You and religion of course won’t let that happen because you are filled with so much hatred you can’t see the wood…

    Focus on some good for a change. Help the starving, the needy, stop the wars that create hate, that leave children alone. You may be a fighter but you choose to do it for all the wrong reasons.

    You choose to hate but it’s not mine or most people on here.

  160. Deeside Will 7 Mar 2010, 11:43am

    David Skinner, I really can’t work out what you imagine that you’re going to achieve by continuing to post on here.

    To those who have no time for religion and never have had, your voice is as a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.

    To those of us who have endured homophobic spiritual abuse in the name of religion, and who have recovered or are recovering from it, your voice is only too recognizable. It is that of the evil abuser calling: “Hey! Come back! I want to have another go!” No use, Mr Skinner. Sooner will Israel go back to Egypt.

  161. Chester: “homosexuals aren’t promiscuous etc either and you aren’t being intimidated on here unless you think getting told facts is intimidating.”

    Are you living in a different time/space continuum to the rest of us? You really are living in a little world of your own, in complete denial.

    Have a look at Gaydar, or one of the many other gay “dating” sites, and tell me how many on there are looking for “Deep, meaningful relationships”.

    Having a go at David Skinner is a good thing to do, but please don’t give him ammunition like that. You just make us all look like liars.

  162. There are plenty of gay people looking for “deep, meaningful relationships.” There are plenty who don’t want to go round sleeping with everyone. In any case what about promiscuous heterosexuals, they are just as plentyful. Unless your saying thats ok because society should accept that?

    It’s one thing for religion to separate us from society based on the myth that apparently we’ll sleep with everything that moves but don’t tar us all with the same brush (or myth).

  163. hey devil skinner oops misprint. im straight live with me girlfriend and got a kid. guess im wrong on several count eh? point is, i want my boy to grow up open minded to make his own decisions. not growing up with your brand of hate and judgement. on top of that if he turns out to be gay so friggin what? so longs he happy whose business is it. me thinks your gay obsession spans deeper mate, mores to the pity of gay people everywhere.

  164. david skinner 7 Mar 2010, 3:38pm

    Imagine that were talking on the deck of a seemingly unsinkable, luxury, ocean liner. We were enjoying a cruise and passing the time in endless diversions and distractions, but that I was trying to persuade you to leave the ship in order to join a small raft that was bobbing about on the waves, a little distance away. Naturally the idea didn’t grab you. Why on earth would anyone want to exchange the comfort and security of an unsinkable, luxury liner for something seemingly so frail? The reason is that I had facts that informed me of disturbing truths about where we were, where we were headed and who the captain was; all of which lead me to believe that the ship –like the Titanic – was on course for disaster.

    But imagine, that for a mixture of reasons, I remained silent. Perhaps I was indifferent to your fate; or I might have been enjoying the sun and sea too much myself to take seriously these fancies I harboured at the back of my mind- after all, a healthy dose of real life at sea was enough to show that, whatever odd ideas I might have had when shut up alone in my cabin with my books, they could not possibly have been true?

    I might have also been reluctant to make myself vulnerable by revealing extremely personal thoughts: when were partying and having a ball we wanted to keep conversation light. There again, I might have been fearful of offending you and of the scorn or even rage that my message might have produced- but for a host of reasons I remained silent.

    The fact remained, however, that if my inside information had been true, then the little raft would have taken on a dramatically, different significance. Far from being an un-attractive proposition, reaching the safety of the raft, from that moment, would become have our sole aim in life. —–Or would it? There are those who are indifferent to the peril they are in. Apparently, even after the Titanic had struck the iceberg, passengers were found playing with the snow that was cascading onto the decks- oblivious of the danger they were in. Pascal, the 18th century mathematician, said that the same person who spends so many days and nights in fury and despair at losing some office or at some imaginary affront to their pride is the very one who knows that they are going to lose everything through death but feels neither anxiety or emotion. Such blindness is incomprehensible apart from a supernatural power. And so I remained silent.

    Given the negative response from you, my fellow passengers, had the ship indeed gone down, I should have still persisted in warning and would have been held to account for not persevering in warning you.

    May I remind you that there are two deaths? One in this life, when society, after a period of libertarianism, such as that enjoyed in Russia, up until Stalin put a stop to in the 1930’s , or in Germany, when Hitler also put a stop to it around 1940, turns on homosexuals, Jews and Christians in a brutal way. You are very mistaken if you think society is just going to become more and more progressive and civilised. The evidence points in the opposite direction. Barbarism is on the way. The second death is when we are brought face to face with our Maker, the one for whom we were created, but whom we chose to reject.

    Ezekiel 3:16 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself.

  165. you know skinner looking through these messages its you id fear leaving my son with. i want my son to grow up looking at all side not your very close hateful view. for all your bitching on here i reckon its your like that would damage children. that fella is just plain wrong. you are nasty.

  166. one other thing skinner. if your so damn religious doesn’t you just being here make you a sinner?

  167. Not Pascal’s wager. Gimme a break!
    You’re taking exactly the same gamble as everyone else. What if the god waiting for you on the other side isn’t Yahweh but any number of gods past or present? The Hindu deities have different principles and rules to Allah, to Thor, to Baal, to Zenu etc. etc, amounting to hundreds of gods past and present.
    Each religion insists they’re the one true way and the majority of them also have jealous gods who don’t appreciate heretics going to other religions for their spiritual pick-me-up (worshiping false idols).
    What makes you so sure you personally have the inside track here and you’re not heading for your own little rude awakening on the other side, even assuming any of it’s true. Or perhaps we’re right and you’re just wormfood when you die.
    You have zero proof of what’s beyond, only a dogma to cling to courtesy of Emperor Constantine and his imperial PR machine.
    Even if I did play the Pascal card, I’d only be going through the motions and I wouldn’t really believe it, and as your god is supposedly all seeing and can read minds, he’d see through that in an instant.
    Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Wasted half my life on that empty promise. Not any more.

  168. ‘You are very mistaken if you think society is just going to become more and more progressive and civilised.’

    No your right people like you will make sure humanity doesn’t ever progresses. You’ll use your texts to hold all back and evenually destroy humanity. How does that not make you and your kind evil?!

    Also good point there Stevie T. Consorting with gays. Mmmm shouldn’t you be whipping yourself with birches or something David.

    Thought there was a place to preach. Did you miss mass today because I think most would really wish you’d left it there. Again you homophobia is nothing most of us hasn’t heard before. It’s boring and you say nothing original in your messages of hate.

    Lastly David Skinner – your an evil hypocrite.

  169. ‘Each religion insists they’re the one true way’

    Yes but not only that flapjack but all other religions say that if you belong to another your not a true believer and will go to hell anyway. So yeah lets hope David’s in the right one!

    Just to quote you David ‘The second death is when we are brought face to face with our Maker, the one for whom we were created, but whom we chose to reject.’

  170. david skinner 7 Mar 2010, 5:53pm

    Stevie T, Christ’s own disciples, along with the religious leaders, questioned Jesus for consorting with the outcasts of society – the Samaritan woman, prostitutes and tax collectors. His answer was that the ” good and righteous” had no need of him. He went to those who knew they were lost.

  171. david skinner 7 Mar 2010, 6:26pm

    Hey Flapjack, Of course I am taking the same gamble as everyone else. Do I have scientific proof that God exists ? Certainly not. If God is the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and the eternal “I Am,” is it likely that he would allow himself to be weighed in the laboratory, inspected, turned this way and that and then finally be subject to the judgment of that which he himself has created? Get real. Even if God had appeared to Peter Cook or George Carlin in person in this life it is more than likely that they would have spat in his face, just as they would have done if they had met his son, Jesus Christ. Perhaps the closest we have to “proof” are the hundreds the prophesies written with pin point accuracy of the coming Messiah, made hundreds of years before in the Old Testament. Only God can predict history and his prediction is that the world will get worse.

    As for the first gamble that one would at least have a better life in this world, if one were to follow the Ten Commandments, even if one didn’t believe in God, you suggest that other religions offer the same product. Well you have to ask yourself is the quality of life better or worse in those countries and why is that those nationals are clamouring to come to Christendom

    Jesus Christ said to the doubting Thomas it is those who believed and trusted Him , even though they had never seen Him, who would be blessed.

  172. Deeside Will 7 Mar 2010, 6:42pm

    #170 “He went to those who knew they were lost.” Yes, but we don’t know that we’re lost, nor do we believe that we are, and if anyone could convince us otherwise, Mr Skinner, it certainly wouldn’t be you – or anyone like you. Haven’t you grasped that yet?

  173. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Mar 2010, 6:44pm

    Yawn…

  174. David skinner inciting, abuse, hatred and murder of homosexuals is not a spiritual fruit according to Galatians 5:22-23

    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.”

    David Skinner the only fruit you bear is a
    * Rancid
    * Rotten
    * Decaying
    Cesspit of putrefying paranoid hatred of your own making

  175. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Mar 2010, 8:38pm

    Yeah, like a hardened schoolyard bully.

  176. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Mar 2010, 8:52pm

    Schools were sent DVD on homophobia bullying in January:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/21/schools-to-be-sent-dvd-on-homophobic-bullying/

    Is there some kind of counseling available to 10-year-olds expressing hatred of any kind in schoolyards?

  177. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Mar 2010, 9:08pm

    The article doesn’t say whether or not the 10-year-old boy attended a faith school:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/10/schools-to-record-all-homophobic-sexist-and-racist-bullying/

  178. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Mar 2010, 9:10pm

    Let’s pick it up from comment 35, shall we.

  179. David Skinner is an example of the horror of all religions.

    Skinner is a human-being with all the wonderful potential of a human-being, but he is so brainwashed, so indoctrinated, that he is utterly helpless. Furthermore, David Skinner does not know rationality. David Skinner’s every waking thought is a programmed one. There isn’t an original thought in his head. The indoctrination is what determines David Skinner’s behaviour. He is robotic. It’s utterly tragic.

    One day, centuries on, society will probably deal effectively with people like David Skinner by taking them in and administering intensive psychological care so that they are released from their indoctrinated imprisonment.

    In the meantime, the very best thing we can do for a person like David Skinner is really show them how laughable we think their beliefs are. If you laugh long enough at them, the penny does eventually drop. They can eventually realise that they have actually wasted so much time living their lives according to received baloney. They then feel utterly foolish, but if they can get past that they can reconstruct their lives and become useful members of the community.

  180. Precisely Squidgy – ~
    RobN – many LBg are not promiscuous etc so I am not lying and I dunno how you can claim all are unless you are self-hating?

  181. “Well you have to ask yourself is the quality of life better or worse in those countries and why is that those nationals are clamouring to come to Christendom”

    LOL! More proof that the more religious you are, the more stupid you become.

    In reality (i.e. not in Dave Skinners demented mind), there is a direct relationship between civil freedoms and economic prosperity.

    Highly religious countries practising oppressive forms of religiously motivated intolerance are traditionally poor and have extreemly limit human rights records [Economic Freedom, Prosperity, and Equality: A Survey - Steve H. Hanke and Stephen J. K. Walters] – Nigeria is a classic example – massive growth in christianity correlating with massive corruption, poverty, poor civil rights, unaccountable democracy and intolerance.

    In Europe, the number of Catholics fell from 26.8 percent to 25 percent, and the number of priests declined by nearly six percent [official Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano in its May 18 issue] – and with corresponding civil rights improvements in European countries.

    Seems to me that religions is a form of oppression and is actually bad for society.

    In fact, the more educated and economically successful the country is, the less likely they are to be “clamouring to come to christendom”.

    Poor David…. all bluster and no substance, he’s nothing more then an ignorant drop out from normal society. You’d think since he retired he’d find some gardening or reading to do, rather then making a fool of himself here?

  182. Chester: Why do I have to “Self-Hate” myself in order to admit I am the same as every other male on the planet?: Naturally promiscuous.
    The only reason straight men don’t shag around is that straight women won’t let them.

  183. Actually RobN, that is a tired stereotype, usually promoted by the religious to warn of the “evils of homosexuality”, and it has no place in reality.

    The reality is quite different, in fact to this myth you seem to enjoy perpetuating.

    A 2008 US university study of international promiscuity found that British people are the most promiscuous in the industrialised world. The study measured one-night stands, attitudes to casual sex, and number of sexual partners.

    Even your favourite paper wrote about this, and it related to straight people – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/3536598/Britain-is-among-casual-sex-capitals-of-the-Western-world-research-claims.html

    So, straight people are not the holier then thou monogamous types you claim.

    A 1994 study [Laumann, Edward, et al. The Social Organization of Sexuality : Sexual Practices in the United States. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994] showed that the fact that gay man are “more promiscuous” than straight counterparts is rubbish

    A further analysis of the GSS data (on which Laumann based his results) indicates that the median number of sexual partners for heterosexuals is five and for homosexuals is six. The discrepancy between the mean and median is indicative of a small sub-population of gay males who tend towards high rates of sexual partners, skewing the mean, while the majority of gay men tend to have rates about the same as heterosexual males.

    So, perhaps you can stop spouting rubbish here… or at least address the reason as to why you need to believe that we’re all bed hoppers, despite the obvious data to the contrary. A few emotionally-stunted muppets at the local gay bar who can’t form a meaning full relationships is not indicative of the whole.

    The nature of generalisations, Rob, is that they are never actually right.

  184. ‘The only reason straight men don’t shag around is that straight women won’t let them.’

    That made me laugh. I’m guessing your old because you certainly ain’t living in the modern times RobN

  185. david skinner 8 Mar 2010, 9:46am

    Jean Paul Bentham, you ask whose idea was it to start a “hate register”?

    Taking a wild, prejudiced and bigoted stab at it, I would say the Stonewall crew.

    During a Parliamentary committee meeting, in 2007, when the homophobic hatred amendment to the Criminal Justice and Immigration bill was being debated, Ben Summerskill, then the chief executive of Stonewall, when asked to give an example of homophobic hatred, said
    ‘You have mentioned one or two specific instances. If the Committee does not mind, I shall respond specifically. You mentioned what you described as a “prayer rally” outside Parliament in January. That was actually the occasion of a vote on the sexual orientation regulations, when almost 100 children of primary school age were forced to stand in the freezing cold, some of them beneath posters that said, “Don’t corrupt us”, with a gentleman shouting, “Don’t allow homosexuals to pervert these children”. That is completely different from people holding a perfectly proper demonstration.’
    Mr. Burrowes, MP asked: ‘Should those incidents be covered by an offence of inciting hatred against gay people?’
    Ben replied: ‘our view is that the gentleman’s shouting, “Don’t allow homosexuals to pervert these children”—these were little tots, not adolescents or 19-year-olds—was almost certainly incitement.’

    So in effect Ben Summerskill is saying that the gentleman should go on a register, receive compulsory diversity training, a fine, or even a prison sentence of up to seven years, for saying, “Don’t allow homosexuals to pervert the children.”

    And yet In the Times, February 26th 2006, it was reported that Sir Trevor Phillips (chair of the EHRC) said, “that non-Muslims must also accept the right of imams to denounce homosexuality in a way that many would find offensive.”
    “One point of Britishness is that people can say what they like about the way we should live, however absurd, however unpopular it is…………”
    “That’s why freedom of expression — including Muslim leaders’ right to say they think homosexuality is harmful — is absolutely precious.” ‘

    Really, Sir Trevor! Yet in the following year, In the Pink News October 18 2007, you said :

    “Let me put it as crudely as I can do it as a public official. If somebody is guilty of discrimination of any kind, and with sexual orientation we usually know what it’s about with sneering and contempt and all the rest of it, we want them not to be just be punished by the court but frankly to feel the contempt and hatred that they have visited on other people.
    “They can argue what they like, but there’s a law now and frankly if these people want generally to pose as they often do as the decent and moral people in the community, perhaps they should remember that the first elements of decency in a liberal democracy is the rule of law.”

    He was obviously not prescribing Muslims and gays from “discrimination of any kind” , or “sneering and contempt” against Christians.

    Here is another , the following statement was made 12 years ago, at the beginning of the thraldom of the present totalitarian government. On the Today Programme 4 November 1998, Jack Straw said:

    “I’m not in favour of gay couples seeking to adopt children because I question whether that is the right start in life. We should not see children as trophies. Children, in my judgement, and I think it’s the judgement of almost everyone including single parents, are best brought up where you have two natural parents in a stable relationship. There’s no question about that. What we know from the evidence is that, generally speaking, that stability is more likely to occur where the parents are married than where they are not.”

    Wow, Jack, steady, steady.

    A major organ of pink propaganda is the Advertising Standards Agency, chaired by no less a person than Lord Chris Smith of Finsbury who has AIDs and who was the MP for Islington South, during the 1980s when Islington council was placing children into the committed and consensual care of paedophile social workers.

    It was reported in the Times last year that:

    ‘An advert placed in a local paper in Northern Ireland by Sandown Free Presbyterian Church ahead of this summer’s Pride event in Belfast breached the Advertising Standards Authority code on decency.
    The 540-word ad was placed in the Belfast News Letter on August 1st, the day before Pride.
    It called gay people perverts and called on “religious” people to publicly oppose gay rights and Pride events.
    The ASA said today the ad breached CAP Code clause 5.1 (Decency).
    “The ad prominently stated “Published by the Kirk Session of Sandown Free Presbyterian Church” and recognised that readers would understand that the text was representative of the beliefs of a specific group and indicative of their opinion only,” the ASA ruling stated.
    “We considered, however, that some of the text used in relation to homosexuality, for example, “… declaring it to be an abomination …”, “… God’s judgement upon a sin …”, “… remove the guilt of their wrongdoing …”, “… a cause for regret that a section of the community desire to be known for a perverted form of sexuality …” went further than the majority of readers were likely to find acceptable.
    “We considered that particular care should be taken to avoid causing offence on the grounds of sexual orientation, and concluded that this ad had caused serious offence to some readers.”

    “However the ASA did not uphold complaints that the ad was likely to provoke hatred or violence against the LGBT community.”

    “On this point, we investigated the ad under CAP Code clauses 8.1 (Matters of opinion) and 11.1 (Violence and anti-social behaviour) but did not find it in breach,” according to the ASA ruling.
    “The ad should not appear again in its current form.
    “We told SFPC to take more care in future to avoid causing offence and advised them to seek a view from the CAP Copy Advice team before publishing future marketing material.”
    Four people complained that the ad’s content was homophobic and therefore offensive, while six complained that the ad was likely to provoke hatred and violence against the lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender LGBT community.’

    But Jack Straw said in a Parliamentary debate on the 26th Jan 2009
    “The offence of inciting hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation has a very high threshold. It currently covers only behaviour that is threatening and intended to stir up hatred. We are returning to this issue because we believe there are no circumstances in which the right of alleged freedom of speech should justify such behaviour.”

    So there you have it folks, according to Jack Straw there is a very high threshold, or bar, for the likes of ten year old, Peter Drury and Sandown Free Presbyterian Church to offend someone on the grounds of sexual orientation, but what he failed to mention was that the bar is for limbo dancing and not pole vaulting.

    Peter Drury’s best option is to become a Muslim homosexual for then the sky is the limit for the amount of offence he is permitted to cause to Christians. And for sheer diversity in filth and bile training, Peter Drury and his mum could do no better than to visit the Pink News comments.

  186. LOL! What a load of trip that was David. No evidence of anything, just a load of quotes! The desperate straw-grabbing of someone who is fighting a losing battle.

    “Peter Drury and his mum could do no better than to visit the Pink News comments”

    Yeah, well, you seem to love it here, for some reason.

  187. David Skinner – you have just shown how UNeducated you really are and that your intent in clearly one of hatred.

    You said:- ‘Lord Chris Smith of Finsbury who has AIDs’

    You in one small line show your vile, nasty inaccurate ways.

    Your a disgrace to the human race and you certainly ain’t no man.

  188. A few emotionally-stunted muppets at the local gay bar who can’t form a meaning full relationships is not indicative of the whole

    This is very very true Will. Rob needs to beyond his own experiences, bad as they seem to be, and see the great whole for what it is and cut out the myths of generalisations. There’s nothing more tragic than gay men swallowing the propaganda nonsense of the religious extremists. After all, its knowledge and facts that elevates us high above the ignorance of the likes of Skinner and their mantra of hate and violence.

  189. Skinner – “A major organ of pink propaganda is the Advertising Standards Agency”

    Paranoia always seem to feature strongly in the make-up of these religious extremists types – tin foil hats, anyone?

  190. “You said:- ‘Lord Chris Smith of Finsbury who has AIDs’ You in one small line show your vile, nasty inaccurate ways.”

    Quite right Squidgy. Lord Chris Smith of Finsbury stated that he had decided to go public about his HIV status (no AIDS, Davis, please make an effort to read) following Nelson Mandela’s announcement of his son’s death from AIDS…

    …I suppose that logically, in Skinner poorly formed mind, that Nelson Mandela is deserving of this tragedy? God’s wrath for what, exactly, being a greater man than Skinner could ever hope to achieve? Is god really that stupid?

    I agree with Squidgy, Skinner is a disgrace to humanity. His very presence is a cancer in society… a cancer that is slowly being cut out by the tolerance of a society that’s left an old fool like him far behind ranting on a gay site. How pathetic is that in all fairness.

  191. David Skinner –
    “…Peter Drury’s best option is to become a Muslim homosexual for then the sky is the limit for the amount of offence he is permitted to cause to Christians. And for sheer diversity in filth and bile training, Peter Drury and his mum could do no better than to visit the Pink News comments.”
    Well it’s a bit late for you to take the moral high ground here, after extended trolling, baiting and variously describing us all as pederasts and subhuman, and that’s just within this thead.
    For the thousandth time, why are you actually here?
    If your intention is to convert us to your way of thinking or to straighten us out, you’ve already gone well out of your way to alienate everyone here and you know it. That one’s a lost cause.
    I’m starting to think you must be some sort of masochist.
    Either that or you’re deliberately trying to goad us into saying rude things to you so you can parrot them out of context at some anti-gay website, and act the hurt Christian martyr.
    “That’s better, much better. Keep it coming boys and girls, (whoops, sorry I am not allowed to use those stereotypes either). I love it when the mask of homosexual humanity is cast aside and the real face of christianophobic hatred is revealed in all its nakedness. Where is the rest of the crew? Why are they not here exercising their absolute homosexual right to abuse and absolute homosexual freedom to hatred speech?”
    Again, your words not mine.

  192. david skinner 8 Mar 2010, 10:56am

    Thank you, Squidgy, for higlighting an inaccuracy I made, I do apologise to Chris Smith. It is not AIDs but HIV. He has told as much himself. Thankyou so much for highlighting this aspect of the homosexual condition.

    But those, like Will, who would discredit the legacy of Christianity in forming the vision, value and morals of Western European civilisation, conveniently dismiss the fact that our great scientific, technological, artistic, musical and literary achievements, our great cities, our respect for the individual and justice, our schools and hospitals, all of which have become the envy of the world, are for the most part bi-products of our Christian faith that gave us the moral courage to dare to achieve the impossible. Indeed the founding fathers of America, established the Constitution on its principles. But perhaps Christianity’s greatest material legacy was the sanctity of human life, the sanctify of the family, marriage and the honouring of women.

    No doubt the face of Christianity has been disfigured by heresy and false teaching and a twisted interpretation of the Bible. If one takes the wheels , steering column and breaks off a car and then complains that it doesn’t work, this is just perverse.

    The alternative they propose is Voltaire, Marxism, Hegel and materialism. But would anyone in their right mind really propose that the Reign of Terror, and the excesses of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or that of Kim Jong il were hastening a golden new age?

    But perhaps, Will prefers Islam. What other alternatives does he propose?

    As for the stuff about homosexual faithfulness and stability of their relationships, we do not need to reach for dodgy dossiers written by biased researchers who are no doubt, like Michael King, the psychologist, homosexuals themselves; all we need to do is look at real cases, real names, real events and the evidence is truly horrible. Indeed one only has delve into the archives of Pink News itself to reveal the dysfunctional lives of those afflicted with a condition called homosexuality.

    Now where is that boy Peter Drury and his mum? They could learn a few hints and tips from the masters of hatred on this thread.

  193. “No doubt the face of Christianity has been disfigured by heresy and false teaching and a twisted interpretation of the Bible.”

    You mean like you do, selective teachings from the bible to support your own prejudices?

    Tell me Skinner, do you follow ALL the bible’s teachings?

    “But perhaps, Will prefers Islam. What other alternatives does he propose?”

    Islam??? I’m a scientist, not a believer if fairy stories like you – you limited mind cannot see beyond your own self imposed dogma. How tragic for you. And at your age, sitting banging out hate on gay site… you must be sooooo proud of your achievements in life. Personally, I would be ashamed.

    “As for the stuff about homosexual faithfulness and stability of their relationships, we do not need to reach for dodgy dossiers written by biased researchers who are no doubt”

    Really, and you have proof that the research is biased? No? More lies?

    You seem obsessed with making lies, Skinner. More evidence of your schizophrenia perhaps.

    “Indeed one only has delve into the archives of Pink News itself to reveal the dysfunctional lives of those afflicted with a condition called homosexuality.”

    Well, all need to do is look at christian people like Hitler, Benito Mussolini and de Torquemada (not to mention yourself, Skinner)… all devout christians.

    Clear examples that a Christians lead such depraved lives, given to murder, genocide, and heinous crimes in the name of christianity.

    Well, that’s enough proof for me. The evidence is overwhelming!

  194. david skinner 8 Mar 2010, 11:15am

    Will, it’s time for break; this is not good for the blood pressure. Plus she who has to be obeyed has a few jobs line up for me to do. Just talk amnongst yourselves until I am allowed back on.

  195. Oh, now don’t go, Skinner, just when this is getting interesting. Why do you always go when challenged with something other then your own low-brow ideas? Its the Lithium, isn’t it? You need to get your medication? Is that it?

    But please enlighten me here.

    Lets look at ONE set of examples from the bible in relation to your so called “condemnation of homosexuality”:- LEVITICUS, the one the sanctimonious Christians use to try oppress others so often, but like all hypocrites, seem to do it very selectively…

    – Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. As I am Irish, I assume this applies to Scots and Welsh, but not French? Can you clarify Skinner? Why can’t I own French? Which ones do YOU own Skinner?

    – I feels that eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, but you seem to think its a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Perhaps you can clarify, David, in your vast wisdom, how you disseminate ‘degrees’ of abomination?

    – My neighbour wants to sell his daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her, Skinner? What would you be willing to pay for a slave girl, Stewart?

    – I know that a man is not allowed contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. How do you tell, David?

    – When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I kill them, Skinner?

    – I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. Clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it, David? How have you killed according to biblical laws, Skinner?

    – Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have a friend who wears reading glasses. How would you smite him, David?

    – Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die, David?

    – My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (very distasteful cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14). How have you dealt with family members who defy gods law as outlined in the bible, David?

    I am SO VERY interested in your opinion here, how do you obey the literal laws of LEVITICUS, as I’m sure a good christian like you does?

  196. ‘They could learn a few hints and tips from the masters of hatred on this thread.’

    By that you of course mean yourself being that your the only one on here preaching hatred.

    You do nothing for Christianity accept show it at it’s worst. People like you damage society then convieniently blame everyone else.

    You clearly have come here with only the intent of showing your hatred against human beings and your determination to halt any progress in humanity. You sir are the danger to all and knowing your kind you will take everyone down with it.

    Get it into your thick head, the majority of people just want to live a peaceful life free from threats from extremists like you. Your hatred of life is such that you have to make sure all else suffers too.

    We get it you hate homosexuals. But guess what? You harp on about how Jews, Christians and homosexuals have all been persecuted but you always leave out one flaw….

    Jews has survived centuries of abuse and war and there still here, so are the Christians (sadly like you) and So too are Homosexuals. And weither you like it or not, We Will Always be around. Its a fact of life the strong survive and always will against the vile evil cretins like you!!

    You should be ashamed of yourself to Use Christianity as your weapon of hate when all your doing is hiding behind a shield. It is You that is spewing homophobia. It is You who is a disgrace to all living things. The sooner the world rid of you and your kind the better and peaceful planet it will be. Though I hate to thing what state you will leave it in.

    To end – Get Of Life & Stop Wasting Everyone Else’s!

  197. This is absolute nonsense and shame on pink news for reporting it as fact. I am an equality officer for a local education authority and this story is utter tosh. There is no such thing as a hate register.

    Schools have been asked for 10 years to record incidents of racism, and now guidance has been published suggesting that a school that is trying to tackle homophobia might want to get an idea of homophobic incidents in schools, and a good way to do that is to record the numbers of incidents so you know what sort of a problem you have in your school (bearing in mind that in my city over 90% of kids hear homophobic language daily according to a survey we did of over 1000 year 9 kids).

    But the idea that the kids making comments on engaging in homophobia are being put on a “register” of hate is absolute rubbish and will only serve to infuriate anyone who believes such total and utter cr*p. I mean, really!

    This story should be an article about how the Daily Mail distorts truth to breed hatred, not an article just blindly misreporting an already inaccurate story.

    Sometimes this site really p*sses me off.

  198. Shaunagus – Thankyou for giving us some level-headed perspective on this. Just goes to show how a bit of hyperbole can totally distort a news report.
    I guess we should have started by asking “since when did the Daily Mail become a reliable news source?”

  199. “We get it you hate homosexuals. But guess what? You harp on about how Jews, Christians and homosexuals”

    You said it Shaunagus … bigots rarely focus on one thing, they usually have a litany of self validated “pet hates”. Hate is borne out of fear, and fear out of ignorance. Skinner is a paragon of both. This makes Sinner an intolerant fool, not someone with any credence…. and as such humanity has left him behind in the dark ages festering in his own bile. I’d like to think when I retire, I’d have more wisdom, foresight, and tolerance than that sad dysfunctional individual.

  200. (Sorry, my last comment was quoting Squidgy, not shaunagus ! Opps)

  201. Thank you, Shaunagus, for bringing us back to the real subject of this thread after a long detour through David Skinner’s lunacy.
    Thank you also for putting us right about the so-called ‘hate register’. I suspected that this story was dodgy.
    But monitoring homophobic bullying in schools per se is long overdue. Homophobic bullying is endemic and needs to be tackled.

  202. David Skinner – homosexuality, lesbianism and bisexuality isn’t a condition but a sexuality/sexual orientation

  203. Funny you should say that Chester, I was just thinking that I always considered stupidity to be a lifestyle choice. I mean, no one wants to be stupid, parading that ignorance in public for all to see. Its sick. My only conclusion is that these people chose to be stupid. Stupidity is against natures laws, after all man is not essentially stupid being, and god is ashamed to see those who dare defy his will with their shameless stupidity.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have noting against stupid people, I know a few stupid people, and they’re very nice individuals, but I really don’t thin they should be given equal rights to intelligent people like me. Stupid people should not be allowed to marry like everyone else, as the welfare of the children is paramount here… stupid people invariable have stupid children, so we must protect the next generation from stupidity. Not to mention the risk that stupid people are promoting stupidity at home and in schools.

    After all, is it not said in the bible that those who chose stupidity as a lifestyle choice shame their parents, and so in turn god?

    “A stupid child is ruin to a father, and a wife’s quarreling is a continual dripping of rain.” – Hebrew, Proverbs 19:13

    I think more resources should be put into curing these stupid people, show them how they offend god with their evil anti-bible ways and lifestyle of disgusting stupidity.

    This is the word of the Lord. Amen.

  204. BrazilBoysBlog 8 Mar 2010, 12:52pm

    Yes, thank you shaunagus for giving us the REAL details behind this story..

    ….and thank you Will for your great comments… (especially 196) This gave me a good laugh and really brightened up my day! :-)

  205. LOL@ Will comment#204… absolutely classic! Love it!

  206. Skinner: “Plus she who has to be obeyed has a few jobs line up for me to do. Just talk amnongst yourselves until I am allowed back on.”

    Ahhhhh. Penny drops finally. This is why you’re a sanctimonious buffoon on a gay site:- your oppressive wife. Makes sense. You’re powerless at home, so you have to compensate for being a spineless cretin by making yourself feel big next to gay people. God bless your poor wife, she must be Helen Keller to put up with you, its no wonder she beats you!

  207. Deeside Will 8 Mar 2010, 3:09pm

    Only last night a young heterosexual male was boasting to me about his “hat trick”. He had, he told me, shagged two different “birds” Friday and Saturday nights, and he was going to be shagging a third tonight. “You’re doing it just for the hell of it, are you?” I asked. “Yeah!” he replied.

    Even if, as is possible, his boast was an empty one, it’s eloquent testimony to what he’ll be doing if he gets the chance.

    Heterosexuals promiscuous? Perish the thought!

  208. “Thank you, Squidgy, for higlighting an inaccuracy I made, I do apologise to Chris Smith. It is not AIDs but HIV. He has told as much himself. Thankyou so much for highlighting this aspect of the homosexual condition.”

    Oh dear. You’re full of it, aren’t you? But what a revelation there. I must inform the BMA immediately. HIV/AIDS is a HOMOSEXUAL condition. Wow. How silly the rest of the world is compared to you, David. All those statistics showing that STRAIGHT people are more likely to be HIV positive; the proof that the safest form of sex is LESBIAN sex…. Yeah, all wrong obviously.

    And I wondered how long to would take you to get to quoting your big list of sexual practises. You have a real obsession with those – and that’s not an insult, it’s a fact. You can’t post on a thread without that old list coming up somewhere. How much time every day do you spend thinking about all those things? The mind boggles.

    I notice you didn’t reply to Will’s comments about Leviticus etc above. But you won’t, will you? Because deep down you KNOW that you’re motivated by bigotry, but you don’t care because you really do hate us and you can’t bear to repress that hate. Hence your frequent visits here to vent it.

    So let me reply for you –
    you believe in slavery, yes?
    You believe that women who aren’t virgins when they marry should be stoned to death?
    You believe that the Earth is fixed in space and the Sun revolves around it?
    You believe that women should marry their rapists?
    You believe that leprosy can be cured by doing a bit of hocus pocus with the blood of a bird?
    You believe that black people are accursed?

    You need to get a life, David. Why waste time persecuting other people? That’s just sad.

  209. david skinner 8 Mar 2010, 5:26pm

    Iris, either you have the read the Bible for yourself or you have received the verses of Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy etc. from a source that is attempting to discredit the Bible. If it is the latter may I suggest that you read the whole of a book, or the whole of the Old Testament, or better still, the whole of the Bible, rather than someone else’s biased, processed and selective readings. For, you see, the Old Testament presents the problem of the human condition – sin. Whilst the New Testament offers the solution – the perfect sacrifice made by Jesus Christ. To read the New Testament on its own is like reading a mathematical solution without knowing the problem.

    Some laws, were ceremonial or connected with keeping the Jews distinct from the surrounding cultures, hence the ban on eating shellfish, much like Manchester football supporters must not wear anything apart from red or some such similar way of identification.

    You must also remember that the laws were given after the Israelites had blown it with the Golden calf. The sacrifices were a constant reminder that they were a hopeless people whom a Holy God had chosen for a purpose, which was to show the rest of humanity what Holy living was like. They were chosen to model holy living. But His laws were not only impossible to keep they didn’t actually do anything apart from remind the Israelites that they were a load of sinners. The purpose of the law was to show the Jews their need of a perfect sacrifice. The story is picked up in Hebrews.

    Hebrews 7:11- 18

    If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. For it is declared:
    “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
    The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

    Hebrews 10:1-17

    The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
    Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
    “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.
    Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, O God.’ “First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them” (although the law required them to be made). Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
    Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
    The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
    “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord.
    I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Then he adds:
    “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”

    So you see Iris, the moral law, the Ten Commandments, not the ceremonial commandments, was never discarded. Instead it is written on the hearts and minds of the believer.

    I personally believe in capital punishment for murder, or some such equivalent, such as life imprisonment, if there is no shadow of doubt on guilt.

    But as Christ said we are all guilty of adultery and murder etc, even if it only exists in our minds.
    Christ’s death brought the possibility of forgiveness and complete restoration. Having said that a perpetrator should be made to live with the consequences of their crime and not their victims.

    Hebrews, however goes on to say that if we continue to sin, after receiving forgiveness, based upon the shed blood of Christ, then there is no more forgiveness left and we will have to pay in the after life. .

  210. Why assume I haven’t read the Bible? I’ve read it twice all through, and the New Testament in the original Greek. Also, I’ve read various Books of the Bible and studied them because I had to at my C of E school. This study was led by a vicar.

    You say “So you see Iris, the moral law, the Ten Commandments, not the ceremonial commandments, was never discarded. Instead it is written on the hearts and minds of the believer.”

    Right – and there’s no prohibition against being gay there, is there? Moreover, Jesus didn’t correct this ‘omission’, did he? In fact, he healed a ‘pais’ (and I am SO not wasting my time explaining to you the nuances of that word in the original Greek because I’ve done it so many times and been ignored – can’t remember if it was you or one of your friends).

    Go for the coup d’etat now, David. Quote that bit of the Bible where consensual, loving same sex relationships between adults are condemned. As you well know, there isn’t any part of the Bible that says that. Loving gay relationships have been around since time immemorial – sadly so have those who hate anyone who’s different from themselves…

  211. Deeside Will 8 Mar 2010, 7:11pm

    David Skinner, I can hardly believe that you’re bringing up once again that old chestnut about the Mosaic Law being divided into moral and ceremonial regulations. The distinction is fraudulent. You have only to read the Book of Leviticus – as opposed to reading the usual carefully selected verses – to see that it makes no provision at all for such a distinction. ALL the Mosaic laws are presented as specific commands of Yahweh; there are repeated reminders throughout the Book of Leviticus that ALL the laws are to be kept (Lev. 18:26; 19:19; 19:37; 20:22); and the Israelites are threatened with the most gruesome divine punishments if they do not keep EACH ONE of the Levitical laws (Lev. 26:14-46).

    I see no reason, in any case, why the prohibitions of gay sex in Leviticus should be taken seriously by any modern person, Christian or secular; still less do I see any reason why they should be regarded as divine commands. All that we have is what the authors of the Pentateuch – and God only knows who they were – say (several hundred years after the alleged events) that Moses said that God told him to tell the Israelites. Hearsay par excellence. Furthermore, the very existence of Moses as a historical personage is as problematical as that of King Arthur.

    If, per improbabile, such a person as Moses did really exist, and if he was the sort of man depicted in the Pentateuch, then Thomas Paine was undoubtedly right when he wrote that “the character of Moses, as stated in the Bible, is the most horrid that can be imagined” – certainly not someone whom I would dream of taking as a moral guide, no matter what the alleged provenance of his laws. If any of the Mosaic regulations are good ones – and SOME of them are – their goodness rests on their own merits, not in their appearance in the Pentateuch.

  212. “To read the New Testament on its own is like reading a mathematical solution without knowing the problem.”

    Translation: “I don’t follow the literal laws of the bible, and am unable to answer the contradiction of Leviticus, but I will pick and chose which literal ones feed my prejudices. I ignore or don’t understand the contradictions”

    Thought as much. He’s not able to directly answer the question, Iris. They never are, for some “odd” reason…!

  213. David Skinner wrote
    “Will, it’s time for break; this is not good for the blood pressure. Plus she who has to be obeyed has a few jobs line up for me to do. Just talk amnongst yourselves until I am allowed back on”

    David . . . you have high blood pressure becasue you are full of hate, murderous rage, and paranoia.

    David . . . When are you going to repent of you sin of homophobia.

  214. Jean-Paul Bentham 8 Mar 2010, 10:59pm

    Keeping track of homophobic incidents in UK schools is as good a place to start as any.

    Sooner or later, the need for a Safe School Campaign will emerge:

    http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&item=1176

    Way to go, Will!!! More!

  215. david skinner 8 Mar 2010, 11:13pm

    Tell me Deeside Will, in your opinion who was the most moral person to have ever lived?

  216. “The most moral person to have ever lived” . . . David – not you!!!

    David skinner . . . you may well qualify for a stonewall award of the most

    Fanatical Persistant Bigot on pinknews.

  217. Jean-Paul Bentham 9 Mar 2010, 3:43am

    Now Skinner expects us to answer his questions??

    What is this? ChatRoulette?

  218. Jean-Paul Bentham 9 Mar 2010, 6:38am

    I hear the American Supreme Court will be discussing the Westboro Baptist Church soon.

    Do you believe gawd is punishing the UK, David S.?

  219. Jean-Paul Bentham 9 Mar 2010, 7:18am

    Washington State knows about schoolyard bullying and has sprouted TEETH!!

    http://www.hrcbackstory.org/2010/03/washington-state-passes-lgbt-inclusive-student-anti-harassment-bill/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HrcBackStory+%28HRC+Back+Story%29

    Cyberspace bullies like you are next, Mister Skinner. We now have your modus operandi down flat, thanks to your generous outpourings targeting each one of us.

  220. “Tell me Deeside Will, in your opinion who was the most moral person to have ever lived?”

    Aaaaaand, again, he deflects from the questions. Notice how he NEVER addresses any question directly, always brings up another one to, and I use this word correctly, protect himself from having to address anything outside his own world view? Hank does the very same thing, ironically another retire lunatic with too much time on their hands and not enough medication.

    Folks, I’ve said it before, and its glaringly apparent more then ever:- This Skinner is suffering form a neurological condition. His inability to answer any direct question that challenges what he wants to talk about or his perverse world view, the “savour-complex”, the bursts of anger and the smiting nonsense, the lack of substance to any of what he say, and more importantly, the paranoia…. Its all classic symptoms of a neurological disorder or a psychosis.

    This sad little Skinner person is as much threat to us as as the nut who shouts at traffic at the intersection.

    Look, lets cut to the chase here.

    This is how I see it:-

    Skinner, you can rant here all you like, you only galvanise us more against your kind. Nothing you do on this site will have even the slightest negative effect on us, in fact perhaps the opposite. You are really nothing more then a mildly amusing distraction in my work day. Lets be honest, we’re already getting the equality we want. A long way yet to go, yes, but we have achieved so very much in such a short time. And nether you or your religious extremist nuts can stop us with lame petitions with a few out-patient signatures.

    That’s fact, and you acceptance of that fact is irrelevant to its validity.

    As for that silly little petition? All that effort, and what did he achieve? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Skinner is the very essence of futility – although it does explain his constant anger.

    Its no wonder his blood pressure is up…. mine would be too if I was half the buffoon you are wasting what’s left of your sorry spiteful little life on a gay site. My god, you’d think he’d go get some medication or help, wouldn’t you? And have some self respect in his retirement years.

    Remember this, Skinner: Where there is madness, the absurd usually follows. And you are the paragon of absurdity.

  221. Well said, Will. There’s no talking with a brick wall. David refuses to answer questions because he knows there is no answer – or rather, the answer will show him up for the bigot he is so he avoids answering and hopes no-one will notice if he distracts us with Bible quotes or personal insults.

    What he doesn’t realise is that he’s making a fool of himself and amply demonstrating the dangers of fundamentalism to every non-posting reader reading this site. I’ve linked quite a few people to it (all straight and the majority Christian, if you’re wondering David) and they all agree that Mr Skinner comes across as obsessed and – I’m putting this more politely than many of them did – rather…strange.

  222. david skinner 9 Mar 2010, 11:36am

    Well, for someone who is a worthless spot, I seem to have cause a great deal of scratching.

    Why this unwarranted attention, I ask myself? Could it be that you are all in fact wanting to become men, or in the case of Iris, a woman, made in the original, untarnished image of God.? Could it be that all your rage betrays internalised heterophobia?
    Maybe there is Indeed much more to be done; to re – orientate, to repent, whilst there is yet time.

    But rather than a link to Folsom Street, or a picture of Garry Frisch leaping from the eighth floor of a block of flats, which will only cause more gnashing of teeth, I leave you with a sonnet written by Michael Angelo, in his troubled, old age.

    The fables of the world have filched away
    The time I had for thinking upon God;
    His grace lies buried ’neath oblivion’s sod
    Whence springs an evil crop of sin always.

    What make another wise, leads me astray,
    Slow to discern the bad path I have trod;
    Hope fades, but still desire ascends that God
    May free me from self- love, my sure decay.

    Shorten half- way my road to heaven from earth!
    Dear Lord, I cannot even half- way rise
    Unless Thou help me on this pilgrimage,
    Teach me to hate the world so little worth,
    And all the lovely things I clasp and prize,
    That endless life, ere death, may be my wage

  223. “Could it be that you are all in fact wanting to become men, or in the case of Iris, a woman, made in the original, untarnished image of God?”

    Er, no. Another example of your delusions, David. Advice: Get medication

    “Well, for someone who is a worthless spot, I seem to have cause a great deal of scratching.”

    No, wrong again. We find you an irritant. Not something to challenge our minds. Personally I find you an amusing distraction from my work… that not withstanding, there is clearly something wrong with you. Advice: Get medication

    “But rather than a link to Folsom Street, or a picture of Garry Frisch leaping from the eighth floor of a block of flats”

    Well, cheers, David! I suppose then I wont go into the spiel I had on how Hitler, being a feverish christian like you, wrote in Mien Kamp: “I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” – which by your logic, means all you Christians are murdering bigoted despots. Although…. hold on, there ARE disturbing similarities between you tripe and Hitler’s rhetoric…. a big fan, are you David?

    So, as you a in the twilight of your years, an approaching end to your worthless and futile life, I give you MY sonnet, one that I hope, under properly controlled medication, you might get some solace in for your angry futile quest for redemption:

    I had no time to Hate by Emily Dickinson
    I had no time to Hate —
    Because
    The Grave would hinder Me —
    And Life was not so
    Ample I
    Could finish — Enmity —

    Nor had I time to Love —
    But since
    Some Industry must be —
    The little Toil of Love —
    I thought
    Be large enough for Me —

    Because lets be honest, Davis, its blindingly obvious to all of us that you not as happy with your lot in life as I am…. for for that, I pity you.

  224. “Well, for someone who is a worthless spot, I seem to have cause a great deal of scratching. ”

    The same could be said of a mosquito – bit of an annoyance really. And, anyway, isn’t that why you come here? To provoke and taunt? Very Christian of you. Not.

    “Could it be that you are all in fact wanting to become men, or in the case of Iris, a woman, made in the original, untarnished image of God.? ”

    The men speaking to you on here are more of a man than you’ll ever be. And a great deal happier. You can’t let go of your hate, can you? That gay man must have really pissed you off. Did he make you feel inferior? Forget it, David. Live your life and stop being such a mean-spirited bigot and bully.

    There’s no heterophobia here. Note how WE don’t feel the need to go around victimising YOU. We just dislike YOU. What do you think our parents are? Our relatives? Most of our friends? Yep, straight. We don’t dislike you because you’re straight, or because you’re a Christian – we dislike you because you’re prejudiced and nasty.

    And, yes, we pity you too. If you can’t see how horrible your life’s become with all that bitterness and bile bubbling inside you, then see someone who can help you acknowledge it and help you be free from hate.

  225. david skinner 9 Mar 2010, 12:22pm

    Medication, electric shocks and chemical castration certainly don’t effect the dis -orientations of the gays, so why should these recommended treatments affect those who are supposedly born with an orientation towards homophobia. Playing the same rules that you play by ,Will, I was born a homophobe; it’s in the genes and I have no choice.

    But I am glad you return to the subject of Hitler for clearly you share the same belief; you have the same mind, the same delusion. Both of you believe that he was a Christian. Johann Harri, no less, saw the connection between homosexuality and fascism.

    Any way, I really must leave now, I have great deal of work to do, as you must have with your scientific studies . What field are they in? Nuclear physics?

  226. Because lets be honest, Davis, its blindingly obvious to all of us that you not as happy with your lot in life as I am…. for for that, I pity you

    Bravo Will! I was thinking the same thing myself. We all make our own hell and deal old Mr. Skinner here is certainly wallowing in pit of hate and futility. Iris eloquently put her finger on the real issue when she said “David refuses to answer questions because he knows there is no answer”. Poor, poor, Mr. Skinner. You know Skinner a few lines of a poem is hardly going to convince us you’re anything but the pitiful figure, more reviled than respected, that Will rightly says you are.

  227. “Playing the same rules that you play by ,Will, I was born a homophobe; it’s in the genes and I have no choice.”

    Shows how little you know about genetics or science for that matter. Its no wonder you foolishly think the earth is 6000 years old

    Let me recap, your reading skills are obviously poor:-

    I always considered stupidity to be a lifestyle choice. I mean, no one wants to be stupid, parading that ignorance in public for all to see. Its sick. My only conclusion is that these people chose to be stupid. Stupidity is against natures laws, after all man is not essentially stupid being, and god is ashamed to see those who dare defy his will with their shameless stupidity.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have noting against stupid people, I know a few stupid people, and they’re very nice individuals, but I really don’t thin they should be given equal rights to intelligent people like me. Stupid people should not be allowed to marry like everyone else, as the welfare of the children is paramount here… stupid people invariable have stupid children, so we must protect the next generation from stupidity. Not to mention the risk that stupid people are promoting stupidity at home and in schools.

    After all, is it not said in the bible that those who chose stupidity as a lifestyle choice shame their parents, and so in turn god?

    “A stupid child is ruin to a father, and a wife’s quarreling is a continual dripping of rain.” – Hebrew, Proverbs 19:13

    I think more resources should be put into curing these stupid people, show them how they offend god with their evil anti-bible ways and lifestyle of disgusting stupidity.

  228. “But I am glad you return to the subject of Hitler for clearly you share the same belief; you have the same mind, the same delusion”

    Oh, and one further thing:

    Hitler called himself a Christian, bet behaved the complete opposite.

    You call yourself a Christian, but you behave the complete opposite.

    Hitler was driven by anger, bigotry and hate.

    You are driven by anger, bigotry and hate.

    Ergo…. well… I think the facts speak for themselves, David, even you can work out the obvious conclusion by yourself. Mind you don’t trip goose-stepping to the day centre, you’re not the spring chicken you once were Herr Skinner!

    LOL! You do make me laugh, Skinner! Go on, go try the medication….

  229. Deeside Will 9 Mar 2010, 1:32pm

    #216 “Tell me Deeside Will, in your opinion who was the most moral person to have ever lived?”

    David Skinner, I don’t know why you’re asking my opinion on a question to which only God (if there is a God) can know the answer. All that I can say with assurance is that the most moral person to have ever lived certainly isn’t the probably mythical Moses, and that, by definition, the most moral person to have ever lived can’t be or have been – among other disqualifications for the apotheosis – homophobic in any respect.

  230. I have a great deal of work to do….”

    Equals:- You’ve reached the end of your ‘performance’. Always the same – a comment about the particular Pink News story; hateful comments about gay people; your favourite list of sexual practices; more irrelevance, including random quotes from the Bible about evil people; a refusal to answer perfectly pertinent questions; a final volley of abuse; finsishing up with ‘I have to go now’/’my wife want a cup of tea’/’I have lots of work to do’ etc.

    Groundhog Day for bigots. You don’t learn anything (because you’ve got your metaphorical fingers stuck in your ears like a child repeating “Can’t hear you, can’t hear you”) and all you succeed in doing is bringing more disrespect on Christianity (fundies like you shout the loudest and drown out all the normal, moderate Christians) and make yourself look more of a fool.

    Not much to be proud of there, is there?

  231. Deeside Will 9 Mar 2010, 2:08pm

    I’d just like to qualify what I wrote above in my post #230. Some of the most virtuous people have been reformed scoundrels, so it’s just possible that the most moral person to have ever lived, whoever he or she may be, was once homophobic but saw the light, realised that change is possible, and succeeded in conquering this disordered condition.

  232. “Not much to be proud of there, is there?”

    You said it Iris! I suspect he knows that, under the anger and bluster, he’s know deep down that he’s a impotent individual with little to be proud of over his lifetime… when one gets to their retirement years only to spend so much time screaming like a nazi lunatic on a gay site about fire and brimstone is really quite sad.

    He also knows he’s equally impotent to make a difference here, or elsewhere, and that we will prevail with our fight for equality. Whether he agrees or not is quite irrelevant. I’m sure he also is quite aware he’s shunned by other Christians, ones with a obviously better understanding of what it means to be a christian. As you said, “Groundhog Day for bigots”… hope he’s getting used to that.

    As Abraham Lincoln once said, ‘I don’t think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday’ – its like it was written about Skinner. He lived a fool and will probably die one too.

  233. Deeside Will 9 Mar 2010, 2:36pm

    Yes, Iris, I agree. David Skinner, with his nasty, mean-minded attitudes, certainly doesn’t make the Christian religion seem either moral or edifying – quite the reverse.

    “I think we must fully face the fact that when Christianity does not make a man very much better, it makes him very much worse.”
    – C.S. Lewis, shortly before his death in a letter to Dom Bede Griffiths

    “I must confess that of a number of people who have told me they were converted, I liked many of them a good deal better before it happened.”
    – Rev. Lord Soper, writing in 1961

    “Release me from craving to straighten out everybody’s affairs. … With my vast store of wisdom, it seems a pity not to use it all, but Thou knowest, Lord, that I want a few friends at the end.”
    – 17th Century Nun’s Prayer

  234. david skinner 9 Mar 2010, 3:03pm

    Deeside Will, I can see that my question presented you with all manner of perplexities. Allow me to rephrase the question. Which real, historical person – not Dawkin’s slimy, custard man or either of the penguins, Roy and Silo out the kid’s book “ And Tango Makes Three,” has had the most influence in the world? I will give you a clue. Why don’t you google the words “ religious adherents and see what you get.

    But on the question of reformed characters why don’t you also google “Patrick Muirhead, The Day I came out. “. Better still google David Kyle Foster, Richard Cohen, or simply Pfox.

    Or is this going to result in more temper tantrum?

  235. Deeside Will 9 Mar 2010, 3:29pm

    Thank you, David Skinner, I know all about Richard Cohen and PFOX, and now, thanks to your helpful hint, I know about David Kyle Foster. I also read Patrick Muirhead’s timesonline article at the time that it came out.

    To adapt a request made by Sherlock Holmes to Dr Watson, “If ever – God help me – I should be so injudicious and ill-advised as to consider dabbling in the psychologically and spiritually abusive fraud known as ‘ex-gay ministry’, kindly have the goodness to whisper the words ‘David Kyle Foster, Richard Cohen and PFOX’ in my ear.”

  236. how is it reformed to fall for a bunch of lies and still be gay etc?

  237. That’s messed up. We should be teaching kids, *why* it’s wrong, not screwing up their entire lives for one stupid naive remark.

  238. “Or is this going to result in more temper tantrum?”

    LOL! Sounds like we’re the ones hitting a nerve there, Skinner. Take some ‘Night-Nurse’ and have a nap, there’s a good fellow, sounds like you’re about to have a stroke. Then who will your wife beat?

    And still he comes back without answering any questions, but repetitively asking his own, over and over again (as per Iris’ “Groundhog Day for bigots” remark, so true). A fool is a man that asks the same questions but cannot understand the answers…. and we have the privileged of talking to one such fool in Skinner… lucky us. Hm-hmmm!

  239. david skinner 9 Mar 2010, 5:31pm

    Mimi, you are so right.

    Jack Straw, Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain and Secretary of State for Justice, no less,
    said in a Parliamentary debate on the 26th Jan 2009
    “The offence of inciting hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation has a very high threshold. It currently covers only behaviour that is threatening and intended to stir up hatred. We are returning to this issue because we believe there are no circumstances in which the right of alleged freedom of speech should justify such behaviour.”

    Really Jack? So the remark of Peter Drury, a ten year old boy, falls way above this high threshold?

    But what kind of behaviour, Jack, would Peter Drury’s calling out “Gay?” seemingly justify. Are we only talking about physical and verbal attack? Clearly not, for the offence of homophobic hatred has now widened considerably to be defined by any attitude or action that denies homosexuals the absolute right to “what they want when they want it“, irrespective of the rights of others – least of all those of children.

    If homophobic hatred now has this all encompassing catch-all definition of saying “no” to the drives, orientations, urges and appetites of homosexuals, it stands to reason that verbally expressing this less than enthusiasm for homosexual celebration and affirmation will be seen as inciting hatred on the grounds of sexual urges .

    According to Jack Straw there is a very high threshold, or bar, for such incitement but what he failed to mention was that the bar, as far as those who do not sign up to the gay agenda, is for limbo dancers – not pole vaulters. Whereas the bar for inciting hatred towards refusnicks, those who will fall into step with the goose stepping parade, has no limit.
    What Jack Straw fails to tell us is that the amount of deviant behaviour in British society has increased beyond the levels the community can afford to recognize and that, accordingly, society has been redefining deviancy so as to exempt much conduct previously condemned , whilst also quietly raising the ‘normal’ level in categories where behaviour is now abnormal by any earlier standard.” It means that for those who cannot keep pace with the rising tolerance of evil and wickedness, their threshold of righteous anger and indignation will get relatively lower and lower, beyond tolerance levels and this will result in social upheaval if not revolution. So much for social cohesion.

  240. david skinner 9 Mar 2010, 5:36pm

    Correction :

    “those who will not fall into step with the goose stepping parade, has no limit.”

  241. Jean-Paul Bentham 9 Mar 2010, 5:42pm

    Blow it out your ear.

  242. That’ll make a change most of it he’s blown out of his ar*e!

  243. He keeps saying the same thing over and over again, but is actually saying noting at all. Basically, Skinner wants the right to be a bigot. Sorry, old chap, your brand of theocracy where you get to scream all you like at “sinners” ended with the Inquisition.

    Be comforted by the fact that so few people in Europe agree with your kind these days. If you don’t like that unpalatable fact, well, do we care? Progress waits for no man, especially one with such a distressing psychosis as yourself. You extremist “Christians” (which you are but in self anointed name alone) are a dying breed Skinner:- a small, desperate cry in the darkness.

    Have you been successfully in repealing our rights with your silly petition? No. Gay marriage, social acceptance and employment quality for gay people is spreading at a fantastic rate. While you bluster with your few lunatic pals, we bask in our new legal status. A legal status that is becoming the norm around the EU.

    Bitter truth, isn’t it?

  244. Deeside Will 9 Mar 2010, 8:09pm

    David Skinner, your latest post is incoherent, but it seems somewhat wide of the mark in any case. As far as I can see, no-one has suggested that this kid Peter Drury has committed any offence under hate crime legislation: it’s a purely internal school disciplinary matter. Yes, things have gone rather over the top, but that’s the way things are nowadays.

    The Labour government have done much for which they deserve credit, e.g. introduction of civil partnerships, equalization of the age of consent, abolition of Section 28 etc., and they are absolutely right to insist that homophobic bullying in schools must be stamped out, but I personally am extremely disappointed that they haven’t drastically reduced the absurd amount of bureaucracy that the previous Tory governments inflicted on us; in fact, in many ways they have carried on where the Tories left off. That’s why any untoward incidents in schools, even the most trivial, are being recorded in “incident books”. It’s all of a piece with the endless testing, tabulation of results in ever more complicated ways and setting of “targets”.

    It’s also the reason why so-called family campaigners, pompous bishops and fundamentalist evangelical senior citizens are visited by police when they spout stupid, ignorant remarks about “homosexuals”. We should simply be refuting their arguments (in the few instances where there are any arguments to refute), ignoring them or jeering at them; not harassing them and thereby encouraging them to regard themselves smugly as martyrs to the “truth”.

  245. again david skinners shows his ignorance, now he doesn’t get what homophobia even is yet he arbitrarily decides others to suit his self-serving persecution complex delusion

  246. Jean-Paul Bentham 10 Mar 2010, 12:30am

    “Schools must not only have proactive and comprehensive discrimination and harassment policies, they must also ensure the presence of an inclusive curriculum and positive role models.”

    —Egale Canada

  247. “David Skinner, your latest post is incoherent”

    Deeside Will, most of his posts are like this. There is an obvious pattern to these posts of his…. its almost if he is doing the typing version of covering his ears, closing his eyes tightly and shouting loudly…. rather like the way a tantrum child might do. Or, like the way someone with approaching senility might talk.

  248. david skinner 10 Mar 2010, 9:35am

    Deeside Will, Perhaps my last post might appear to be incoherent but, in a little time, events, I believe, will reveal the truth of my statement.
    However it was with some mild relief that I found myself in agreement with you, on at least two points. I could not agree with you more about the way things have gone “rather over the top“, with regards to red tape.

    Mr Brown, with a “clunking fist,” has not hesitated to legislate freedom of thought, freedom of conscience and freedom to debate. Indeed, he has increased the amount of repressive legislation over that introduced by Tony Blair. The history of twelve years of New Labour government has been a frenzied approach to law-making and an obsession with controlling the minutiae of everyday life, where dissent from “another kind of love” will now apparently carry a seven year prison sentence. Neither do we see any salvation coming from David Cameron who has publicly declared that he also will ignore the views of the silent majority and carry on the LGBT programme of oppression against any who oppose them.
    The most iniquitous thing about this government is that it has said that there should be a clear distinction between public and private morality; and the ‘real world’ and religion. Whilst the government wants to compartmentalise private and public, and secular and religious it does not hesitate to intrude into every area of our lives; it legislates for every thought, emotion and sneeze. No longer is the Department of Education called as such but, instead, the Department of Children Schools and Families. It has blatantly assumed the role of social engineer and reduced parents to becoming mere operatives. In addition, Dr, Katherine Rake of the government funded Family and Parenting Institute has said,” We want to transform the most intimate and private relations between women and men.” Clearly she thinks that she is God Almighty, for only He has the power and authority to transform the human soul.

    The second point with which I wholeheartedly agree is that we need freedom to have open debate and dialogue. But your political masters won’t allow it and also you spoil it yourself by equating argument with jeering and I assume with arrogance and personal insult.

    I challenge you to find anywhere my personally attacking anyone on this site. Sarcasm perhaps, but nothing on the scale of the character assassinations and gay, militant frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia is in a dog.

    http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm

    http://www.massresistance.org/docs/events05/love_won_out/index.html

    The picture constructed of me is pure wishful thinking, indeed something like Dawkin’s slimy custard man. I must disabuse you of the idea that I am smugly harbouring a martyr complex.
    Any jeering or ad hominems directed at me are as of nothing compared with that of Christians who suffer in their hundreds of thousands in other parts of the globe, principally in North Korea, where unspeakable suffering and evil is visited on them, even as I type.

  249. “He keeps saying the same thing over and over again, but is actually saying noting at all. ”

    After reading all of Mr Skinner’s posts, I agree wholeheartedly. It’s impossible to have a discussion with someone who won’t listen.

    But David – we’re still waiting for your answers to:
    a) whether you’re a Bible literalist
    b) which part of the Bible condemns consensual, loving relationships between to adults of the same sex.

    And stop wilfully misunderstanding the purpose of this register. As a teacher, you should know that you have to fill out endless forms and records, and this is just a recording of an incident in the records of that individual school.

  250. “The second point with which I wholeheartedly agree is that we need freedom to have open debate and dialogue.”

    More lies, Skinner. You don’t want debate, you want theocracy. Your will imposed on others. Your “morality” (if you could even call it that) imposed on the masses to make you feel better about yourself. This is usually symptomatic of a weak, impotent individual.

    In reality, freedom for gay people is not something that affects your life in any way. Its for the benefit of gay people and society as a whole. Yes you seem to think yourself some kind of martyr to a cause. How odd.

    In order to debate, Skinner, you need understanding and an ability to listen and to change ones views – qualities you do not show in great abundance. What you do display is uncontrolled anger/hate and a nauseating obsession with graphic sex. This aspect is truly disturbing.

    When I say you have a mental condition, its because you demonstrate that you have one.

    And I do notice how you have tried to evade all references to the obvious – you’re on a losing side. This in itself is quite warming, and speaks volumes.

  251. “Sarcasm perhaps, but nothing on the scale of the character assassinations and gay, militant frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia is in a dog.”

    Oh, really? Here’s what I found…

    “Gays are defined by nothing more than their sexual behaviour”

    “there are no such creatures as homosexuals”

    “the homosexual as a distinct species of human being”

    “I am not interested in winning arguments with people who do not even function according to reason and debate. Why should waste precious time casting pearls before swine.”

    “And stop the seedy paranoid fantasies and lies about our destroying society and teaching inventive sex positions to children.”

    “There is nothing beautiful about putting your sexual organ up the waste passage of another person, male or female”

    “Don’t allow homosexuals to pervert these children”

    Hmmm. Certainly a disturbed warped view of things. Certainly offensive to gay people. I’m beginning to think you don’t exactly know what you’re writing, given the mood swings between obsessive graphic sexual reference and calm bible quotes.

    Disturbing, isn’t it?

    Any also, why do you keep cutting and pasting the same pieces over and over again, David?

    You only actually notice this when you read through your bile a second time, you have cut and passed the same passages numerous times. Very repetitive. Its like you just want to repeat the same thing over and over again. Cut and paste, cut and past, cut and paste…. no doubt form your favourite “christian” website. Is there anything that’s your own thought, other than sexual references you seem to be absolutely enthralled with?

    Incapable of independent though, or more example of a neurosis perhaps? Why choose, I say.

    Tell me David, on top of the other questions you can’t seem to answer, have you ever received counselling or medication for a psychiatric illness?

  252. david skinner 10 Mar 2010, 1:14pm

    Iris,
    |Compared with others issues, how important was sex to Jesus? He uses the Greek term “ptochos” when speaking about the poor thirteen times and the Greek terms, “moich” and “porn” related to sexual ethics twenty six times. So clearly it was very important.

    But for Jesus, sexual sin, or any other kind of sin for that matter, was not limited to visible conduct but more essentially with what went on in the hearts and imaginations of people. When Jesus wants to make the point that evil proceeds from the heart, two of the six items, on the list mentioned in Matthew 15:19, have to do with sexual behaviour. Marks list (Mk 7:21-22) has a longer list of twelve items. The first four are concrete acts (fornication, theft, murder and adultery). His placing of the words fornication and adultery at its end, indicate their importance.

    Jesus uses the Greek “moich” family of words connected with adultery nineteen times. This family of words denoted the violation of the exclusivity of the marriage commitment between one man and woman.

    And how do we know that marriage was meant to be exclusive to men and women? Jesus said in Matthew 19 :4 -6, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” The Moich word group therefore focus on the breach of relationship

    He also used the Greek root “porn” seven times, ie what was being done by whom and to whom; this groups relates more to what is being done – to behaviour. But the question arises, what kind of sexual behaviour concerned both Paul and Jesus? The words moich are clearly to do with adultery, but when we move to the porn sets of word we have something that is wider and differently focussed. One of these words, fornication, embraced a much wider sweep of practices than to which we are accustomed. We need to add rape, prostitution, the various forms of incest, also sex with animals, and finally same- sex sexual engagement. All these came under porneia.

    We also see Jesus referring to Sodom which in other parts of the Bible was a byword for sexual sins

    Jude1-7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    Isaiah 3:9 9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom;
    they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves. ( shades of London Pride and its strutting turkey cocks)

    Ezekiel 16: 44- 48, talking about the apostasy of Jerusalem, says ” ‘Everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: “Like mother, like daughter.” You are a true daughter of your mother, who despised her husband and her children; and you are a true sister of your sisters, who despised their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. Your older sister was Samaria, who lived to the north of you with her daughters; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you with her daughters, was Sodom. You not only walked in their ways and copied their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they. As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.”

    Finally, when Jesus says in Matthew that he had come not to abolish the law but to fulfil the sacrificial and ceremonial l requirements of it, (hence, no more burning of bulls and goats; restriction on eating certain meats or shell fish etc; or mixing certain fibres together), he was also affirming even more strongly the moral law which existed before Leviticus, but was now to be written on the hearts of the believers and not on slabs of stone.

    Matthew 5: 17- 20
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

    Now really, really, really is it. Farewell

  253. Deeside Will 10 Mar 2010, 1:17pm

    Yes, Mr Skinner, we do, as you say, need freedom to have open debate and dialogue.

    There are some things, however, concerning which I, at any rate, am NOT prepared to engage in debate and dialogue.

    To take an obvious example, I am not prepared to engage in debate and dialogue about whether the Nazi persecution of the Jews was justified.

    I am not prepared to engage in debate and dialogue about whether paedophilic abuse is legitimate, and for precisely similar reasons I am not prepared to engage in debate and dialogue about whether homophobic abuse – even if some prefer to call it by a “nicer” sounding name – is legitimate. Both types of abuse are liable to have serious effects on the lives of those on whom they are inflicted, the repercussions of which can often be felt years, even decades, later. As far as I’m concerned, “open debate and dialogue” about the possible legitimacy of either kind of abuse is simply morally indecent.

  254. david skinner 10 Mar 2010, 1:54pm

    Really,really must go now, Deeside,Will. But I say amen to all that you have said. I agree to every word. I would hope that I could defend anyone to the hilt who was being abused, including those being beaten and mocked for suffering from all manner of conditions. The “homosexual” is not a happy lot and as some of those who are afflicted with the condition, will say, “Who would choose to be a homosexual?” I too have traits,ingrown attitudes, appetites, whose origin I can dimly trace back to early child hood, but which none the less I do have the choice of either feeding or starving.
    But I wont stand back either to see my children, grandchildren or neighbours children being taught that any form of sexual relationship or behaviour, apart from sex being used in its rightful place, within marriage, between a man and woman, in the context of raising a family, is right and healthy. People who teach children so- called diversity, that sex relationships and behaviour come in “all shapes and sizes” are nothing more than peddlers in death, and as Christ said, deserve to have millstones put round their necks and thrown into the sea.

    Deeside Will, I am sure that given the opportunity and time we might find that we agree on many other points. It’s a pity that you get confused with the other Will. I would change your blogging signature.

  255. David Skinner wrote
    “But I wont stand back either to see my children, grandchildren or neighbours children being taught that any form of sexual relationship or behaviour, apart from sex being used in its rightful place, within marriage, between a man and woman, in the context of raising a family, is right and healthy. People who teach children so- called diversity, that sex relationships and behaviour come in “all shapes and sizes” are nothing more than peddlers in death, and as Christ said, deserve to have millstones put round their necks and thrown into the sea.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David where will you live then?

    David where will you, your family and neighbours live?

    David perhaps you will live on a small man made island of the Dorset coast. . . Or perhaps you are building an ark.

  256. “We need to add rape, prostitution, the various forms of incest, also sex with animals, and finally same- sex sexual engagement. All these came under porneia.”

    No, they don’t. Same sex relationships were NOT referred to as porneia. Porneia is commonly used for prostitution. While gay people can engage in prostitution every bit as much or as little as straight people, to suggest that condemning gay prostitution is in some way a condemnation of gay people themselves is just stupid. Anyway, I didn’t mention prostitution – I asked you to find me a bit in the Bible that condemns loving consensual same sex relationships between to adults. You CAN’T because there isn’t one – but please have the grace to admit that.

    “We also see Jesus referring to Sodom which in other parts of the Bible was a byword for sexual sins”

    Uh huh. Jesus specifically says that the sin of Sodom was inhospitality and pride. Which is hardly surprising when the inhabitants attempted to rape the visiting angels. Note that word – RAPE. No consensual same sex there then… Also note that the potential rapists were implied to be straight – ie they were using male rape as a form of power and to humiliate. And do remember that Lot, the only man who was saved – because he was so moral – offered his daughters to the potential rapists (nice) and then, having left the city, went on to commit incest with his own daughters…

    The Bible might condemn rape and adultery and prostitution, but NOWHERE does it condemn loving, consensual relationships between two adults of the same sex. That’s a fact.

  257. David Skinner needs to accept and love the same-sex love that he knows and feels is deep inside him. Only then will he achieve peace and be free from his need to keep thwacking it, trying to kill a part of himself that is actually good and honest and deeply satisfying.

    Accept it Mr. Skinner. Accept it. Capitulate to your inner truth.

    Give up those out-dated primitive old parchments that disallow you to accept who you truly are.

  258. “Who would choose to be a homosexual?”

    Well, me for one. I want to be gay. To be anything otherwise, well, it wouldn’t be me. I am VERY proud to stand up against socially damaging, ignorance and debase people like what you represent, Sinner.

    What I would be ashamed if, deeply ashamed of, is to be a bigot. Bigotry is the recourse of a weak and fearful mind after all. Imagine, getting to retirement age and spend you last days hysterically banging out a futile tirade on a gay site.

    Oh, and Iris is running circles around you, Skinner. A real pleasure to watch.

  259. Deeside Will 10 Mar 2010, 3:05pm

    Mr Skinner, if you really meant what you said, then you will probably never read this. But I should just like to add that:

    (1) Being gay is not a “condition”.

    (2) A gay person’s need for a same sex relationship is as legitimate as a straight person’s need for a mixed sex relationship. As far as I’m concerned, an attempt to persuade a gay person otherwise IS a form of abuse.

    (3) Apparently SOME people’s sexual orientation is fluid, and there are SOME convincing cases of change in orientation, but these are exceptions; to use them as evidence for blanket statements like “People can change” and “Change is possible” is misleading. There is no known means of engineering a change of this kind, nor is there any need for one. To persuade people to spend years, sometimes decades, of their lives, and often money also, in pursuit of such a change through “ex-gay ministry”, “reparative therapy” or whatever is deceit and is also a form of abuse.

    (4) A homophobic, like a paedophile, is at least a potential abuser. We can’t interfere with what’s going on in their heads, but such people’s BEHAVIOUR needs to be kept under control because of the harm that they may otherwise do.

  260. Wait a minute…. what’s this about? Skinner says “I too have traits, ingrown attitudes, appetites, whose origin I can dimly trace back to early child hood, but which none the less I do have the choice of either feeding or starving.”

    Skinner is “ex-gay”???

    HA!

    This study came up in another thread: “Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?”. J Abnorm Psychol 105 (3): 440–5. doi:10.1037/0021-843X.105.3.440 – Adams HE, Wright LW, Lohr BA (August 1996).

    And the overwhelming conclusion of the study is that homophobes respond to homosexual erotic imagery, i.e. they’re basically gay projecting their own self loathing to cover up what they won’t accept in themselves.

    And with David’s delightful revelation that he too has these “appetites”, we can see where all this anger and bile is coming from.

    Well, not really a surprise, to be honest. But enlightening, none the less.

  261. actually Cameron claims to fight for equality David Skinner, what silent majority – the one in your bigoted head? “appeal to majority’ is also a fallacy plus wrong as high numbers in agreement do not make people right about stuff

  262. david skinner 10 Mar 2010, 4:20pm

    Will, you’re a court jester and you need to come down from the lampshade. Has it ever occurred to you that everyone has hidden traits that they prefer not to reveal to the public ? Has it ever occurred to you that there are morbid character traits other than homosexuality, such as an orientation towards drink, gambling and all manner of addictions? So at least you admit they are appetites and not an integral part of the natural order!!

    As for my suffering from internalised homophobia; you wish. However, judging by all your wind and trousers I do believe that you suffer from internalised heterophobia.

    But Iris, I thought you didn’t believe in the literal truth of the Bible, and yet you do not hesitate to quote chapter and verse back to me with a militant frenzy, that would put a Muslim to shame, in order to in support your delusion. Allow me to offer you a fresh draught of Leviticus.

    Leviticus 18 1-29 certainly condemns homosexual practice. It is sandwiched between the sacrifice of children ( read abortion) and bestiality . Not in one single prohibitions of these relationships and behaviours is there one mention of consensuality. Only fools and Iris would dare to rush in where angels fear to tread and attempt to re write every single one of these verses with the addition – “unless all parties are consenting.”

    The LORD said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the LORD your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.
    ” ‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.
    ” ‘Do not dishonour your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonour your father.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonour you.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
    ” ‘Do not dishonour your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonour your brother.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
    ” ‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
    ” ‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbour’s wife and defile yourself with her.
    ” ‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
    ” ‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
    ” ‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
    ” ‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
    ” ‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.’ ”

    Peter Tatchell, the great high priest of private morality who respects only the rights of the autonomous individual, does not recognise society or the family. His world is populated by people like himself, for whom solitary masturbation is as sophisticated and economical as minimalist furniture ; secondly he irrationally introduces a moral order when he has no legitimate basis for producing one.

    He says, “Acknowledging these social changes is, however, no reason to lapse into anarchic moral relativism. Instead, we need a new moral framework for teaching sex education that can encompass diversity while also giving young people guidance on how they are most likely to find erotic and emotional happiness.
    This new moral framework involves three very simple principles: mutual respect, consent and fulfilment. In others words, when it comes to lust and love, treat others the way you would like them to treat you. Don’t have an egotistical, selfish, me-first attitude. Be thoughtful and caring towards the other person. Never coerce or pressure a partner into doing something they don’t want to do. Make sure both of you get physical and psychological enjoyment. That’s it! Simple, inclusive and moral – without being moralistic.”

    But against what standard and whose morality do the participants decide what is egotistical , selfish and me – first sex, or what is coercive and abusive? All that matters is that the participants are consenting to what is taking place- even if that involves sado masochism, near death or actual death sexual practices. The words respect and equality are defined simply by how the autonomous sexual participants wish to define the terms.
    The National Aids Trust has more or less said that giving someone the GIFT should not result in prosecution :”NAT is still campaigning for an end to prosecutions for reckless transmission of HIV through consensual sex.

    Allow me to quote one of your tribe, Iris, the lovely Bishop Gene Robinson. He has said that it is unnatural for so called heterosexuals to engage in homosexual acts, simply because it goes against their nature. So wait a minute do I hear the iconic, hero homosexualman saying that even if two straight people are in a loving, caring, healthy and consensual then they shouldn’t ? Go Gene Robinson!!

    http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?p=23382

    http://americansfortruth.com/news/gay-icon-kameny-says-bestiality-ok-as-long-as-the-animal-doesnt-mind.html

    Woman has sex with family dog, husband castrates the dog
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbP3l3Oj6Qk

    Consensual cannibalism
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3286721.stm

  263. david skinner 10 Mar 2010, 4:31pm

    By the way the lying toad, Gene Robinson, dishonestly says that Paul is talking about abusive sexual relationships, paedaresty, when in fact there is absolutely no mention whatsoever in Romans of such practices.Paul is simply talking about ordinary men and women lusting after oneanother. I can hear the flames crackling already

  264. Well, that set off a little tantrum, didn’t it, Skinner? Nice.

    “Has it ever occurred to you that everyone has hidden traits that they prefer not to reveal to the public?”

    Of course, but you I suspect have “other issues”…. too much protesting. Too much defence about “changing ones sexuality”. Fire. Smoke. Yadda Yadda.

    “As for my suffering from internalised homophobia; you wish.”

    No, I don’t. F*** no!

    “So at least you admit they are appetites and not an integral part of the natural order!!”

    Er, no. I never said that. Your ability to extrapolate is bordering on the delusional. That’s you. You’re not natural. Its sooooo not natural to be obsessed with sex like you are. What’s wrong, didn’t get “enough of it” from the missus? Or is it you deny yourself men? Regrets, perhaps? Sure sounds like it. Hence the amount of time you spend in here….

    “However, judging by all your wind and trousers I do believe that you suffer from internalised heterophobia.”

    This statement makes absolutely no sense at all. Really, David, you should count to ten before you start banging out your tripe.

    “So wait a minute do I hear the iconic, hero homosexualman saying that even if two straight people are in a loving, caring, healthy and consensual then they shouldn’t”

    So they shouldn’t what exactly? Have sex? Buy a cat? Eat unripe fruit? Jesus man, did you forget to take “the pills” today? What on earth are you talking about? Let me get this right, if two straight people are in love they should not… what? Engage in gay sex? With what? Each other?

    WTF? You need to check those websites you cut and paste from. You’re talking gibberish.

    And the whole bit about sex, what you can and can’t do in bed….. wow. Sex, sex, sex…. your one dirty old pervert, David. Talk about one track mind.

    Love the way you keep saying goodbye and then come back again….. TOTALLY OBSESSIVE! I like it. No, really, I do. You make me laugh. I like laughing. Normally I I wouldn’t laugh at mentally deformed people, but you, well, I can’t help myself. Call it Schadenfreude.

    Is that bad of me?

  265. David, I don’t quote the Bible with a ‘militant frenzy’ – that’s you… I quote the Bible to correct your MISinterpretations and omissions. You just can’t bear it that the Bible doesn’t support your hatred, can you?

    And as for Leviticus – what’s that all about?? You’ve already said that it doesn’t apply. Are you Jewish? No. Leviticus also lists eating prawns as an abomination. If you can manage to stomach a few shellfish, maybe you could try a bit of same sex sex yourself? It might make you less inclined to seethe with hate. And, yes, I DO think you have internalised homophobia. Why? Because normal adults don’t care what consenting adults do in bed. Just read that again. You come across as someone obsessed by sex.

    You said you were going yet you’re still hear ranting and raving. Do you spend an equal length of time on other sites or is this your favourite?

    Check out this: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,015.pdf

    It opens as a pdf document which needs Acrobat Reader to read it. You probably have that already.

  266. david skinner 10 Mar 2010, 6:38pm

    Iris, you have come up trumps! Thankyou for this gem. I wish that I could return the compliment by sending you a link to a video and its trailer, entitled, the Homophobia Project, produced by Peersproductions. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work at present. It had a similar theme of “What if.” I saw it at the SchoolsOut conference, in London, last February, where I was “outed”( assuming that Will will allow me to use the term in a general sense) by one of the organisers, who announced to the assembled gay or not so gay teachers, union reps, civils servants et al “Ladies and gentlemen,I must warn you that a David Skinner is here from Christian Union.” Naturally not wanting to keep them guessing I stood up and claimed my identity. I also corrected the said gentleman, who mistakenly confused Christian Voice with Christian Union, neither of which employ me.

    But anyway, Thankyou for this gem. Anymore material you can find, I would be most obliged.

  267. Sister Mary clarence 10 Mar 2010, 6:46pm

    Mr Skinner, if I may enter into the fray …. skimming through all of the postings and arguments on this thread, what is abundantly clear is that your diseased mind is a putrid cesspool of degenerate filth.

    If it is in fact true that you are/were a teaching I shudder to think of the danger you presented to vulnerable minds. You clearly cannot contain your loathing for your fellow human being and I cannot therefore see how you could resist the temptation to poison and infect the minds of the vulnerable and innocent under your guardianship.

    I sincerely hope children are now being protected from your perversion

  268. “I sincerely hope children are now being protected from your perversion”

    Given his distasteful obsession with sex, one would like to think Social Services intervened for the sake of the children.

    But if you want to see the level of dementia capable by this parody of a man, search for “David Skinner” and “Notes on the Hairless Man” and reads how he believes that Hollywood is linking hairless men with homosexuality… its considered a classic in some circles… well, those circles in which the hospital attendants allow internet access. Most don’t, naturally, it angers the inmates you understand.

  269. Sexuality isn’t like addictions david skinner and nor do people here suffer from the made-up crap that bigots claim is heterophobia’
    Paul is talking about abuse so Gene Robinson is right
    there is no tribe and Gene is right that it’s unnatural for heteros to do what gays/lesbians do!
    Peter Tatachell is fighting for equality and society changes and he’s right to say “He says, “Acknowledging these social changes is, however, no reason to lapse into anarchic moral relativism. Instead, we need a new moral framework for teaching sex education that can encompass diversity while also giving young people guidance on how they are most likely to find erotic and emotional happiness.
    This new moral framework involves three very simple principles: mutual respect, consent and fulfilment. In others words, when it comes to lust and love, treat others the way you would like them to treat you. Don’t have an egotistical, selfish, me-first attitude. Be thoughtful and caring towards the other person. Never coerce or pressure a partner into doing something they don’t want to do. Make sure both of you get physical and psychological enjoyment. That’s it! Simple, inclusive and moral – without being moralistic.”

  270. Chester, well said.

    You can sum this all us by saying one thing: Skinner is not a Christian. No matter how many times he quotes the bible, and called himself a follower of Christ, it doesn’t change anything – he’s just not a Christian.

  271. david skinner 10 Mar 2010, 8:05pm

    Ever since the sixties, when sex became detached from the boundaries of marriage and family and from the morality and truth of the Judeo/Christian faith, it has become merely a recreational activity that can be practised in whatever form one wishes; but, like high explosive that is no longer confined by its steel casing, or a nuclear core that is withdrawn from its protective surrounds, it becomes a force for destruction when it is no longer bounded by the protective laws that used to surround marriage. It has resulted in the dehumanising and the reduction of the individual to being simply a lump of meat, to the misery of unwanted pregnancies, abortion on an industrial scale, an explosion of Sexually Transmitted Diseases HIV, AIDs, rape, the continuing break up of the family and now teenage murders. So much for a “successful and progressive society.”

    The heterosexuals, in breaking down the barriers have given the moral right not only to the homosexuals to claim their share of the action (to public acceptance of their sexual activities) but also to those behind them who in dark places engage in paedophilia, incest, polyamory, polygamy, exhibitionism and even bestiality. These groups are known for their lack of restraint and for their risk taking. First the heterosexuals have validated homosexuality and now the homosexual has beckoned the heterosexual into these darkened cupboards . Like a fire feeding off itself, heterosexuals are now encouraged to cast aside all restraint and seemingly outmoded inhibitions and to give full expression to their narcissistic instincts. All this has the blessing and funds of the government that propagates this sexual behaviour in schools, using agencies like the Family Planning Association.

    Homosexuality is not something extraneous or strange to our society . We cannot criticise or express offence at homosexuality without criticising or offending ourselves. We have produced it ; it is our child. Society has no power to resist the march of the homosexual agenda for to do so it would be exercising a level of self examination and soul searching for which it is incapable . To resist the demands of homosexuality Society at large would first have to be prepared to be offended and challenged beyond anything it has experienced for nearly three centuries, ever since the Great Revival of Wesley and Whitfield.

    Humanly speaking nothing can save Britain from a descent into anarchy with Islam waiting at the bottom of the chasm to pick over the rotting corpse of what was once a great nation.

    Bring it on Iris, Sister Clarence and Will, bring it on.

    PS. But Will you said that Hitler was a Christian, and now you say I am not one. So presumably you would like me to be like him.
    But then again you want me to be the author of the “Notes on a hairless man”. JohnK wanted me to be an ex sailor who does mountain biking. No doubt you are also one of these people who say, ” I like to think of God as a grandmother, or as a welsh cross dresser. How else would you like reality to be Will?

  272. David Skinner wrote
    “JohnK wanted me to be an ex sailor who does mountain biking. No doubt you are also one of these people who say, ” I like to think of God as a grandmother, or as a welsh cross dresser. How else would you like reality to be Will?”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David it appears that you are an ex-art teacher who lives in Dorset. . . so how does an retired art teacher become so homophobic when most of the greatests artist have been gay???

  273. David Skinner wrote
    “JohnK wanted me to be an ex sailor who does mountain biking. No doubt you are also one of these people who say, ” I like to think of God as a grandmother, or as a welsh cross dresser. How else would you like reality to be Will?”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David it appears that you are an ex-art teacher who lives in Dorset. . . so how does a retired art teacher become so homophobic when most of the greatests artist have been gay???

  274. David Skinner wrote
    “By the way the lying toad, Gene Robinson, dishonestly says that Paul is talking about abusive sexual relationships, paedaresty, when in fact there is absolutely no mention whatsoever in Romans of such practices.Paul is simply talking about ordinary men and women lusting after oneanother. I can hear the flames crackling already”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David homosexuality is a modern term which does not come into existence untill about 1897

    David you cannot apply modern relationships to biblical relationships, or equate pederastry with homosexuality.

    Daivd why don’t you study for a degree in theology, this would clear up some of your wild conjectures, and misunderstandings about the bible.

  275. “But Will you said that Hitler was a Christian, and now you say I am not one. So presumably you would like me to be like him.”

    Actually you are very alike… you are both calling yourself “christians”, but like Hitler, you actions indicate the polar opposite.

    The difference is Hitler unfortunately had the power, albeit temporarily, to act on his vile prejudices…. you, on the other hand, are utterly powerless. A petition? A ridiculous essay that has all the intellectual clout of a doodle? A futile rant on a gay site that consists of a few repetitive cut-and-paste’s?

    Don’t make me laugh. Impotent. Angry. Delusional. That’s all you are.

    But you know that you are useless to change out lives. I will still have my loving partner. Next year, we’ll be married. Nothing will make me happier. And nothing, but nothing you do here, or anywhere, will have the slightest effect on this, other then continually making me laugh at your puerile rants. There’s my reality for you.

    “Humanly speaking nothing can save Britain from a descent into anarchy with Islam waiting at the bottom of the chasm to pick over the rotting corpse of what was once a great nation.”

    And there we have it…. the paranoia! Woooooo! How scary! The Muslims are coming! Tin foil hat time! The paranoid delusions mixed in with doomsday scenarios…. what did I tell you folks:- classic Schizophrenia!!!

    Skinner: A sicko on a gay site. Laughable.

  276. Actually, folks, if you do a search on any of Skinners little “gems”, you’ll see that he’s used these SAME passages on many other so called ‘christian’ and gay sites. Clearly he finds a piece of tripe he likes, and then pastes it everywhere in the vain hope someone equally as schizophrenic finds it useful to fuel their own paranoid neurosis. This odious Skinner isn’t debating, he’s just pasting the same crap over and over again! Efficient, I’ll agree, but rather insipid and uninspired, wouldn’t you agree? How laughable this is. Basically, he’s no smarter than an automated web-bot. He doesn’t answer questions, because a cut’n’paste “author” can’t answer questions, can they?

    …try for yourself, take a section, any section, and do a search. The results are quite illuminating.

  277. David Skinner – your faith doesn’t have truth, morality etc, many people make love yet you can’t see this plus AIDS came from a pair of heteros, you also use the ‘slippery slope’ fallacy to scare people as you don’t have any facts, you link gays to evils to demonise people yet you claim to hold truth and morality as important whilst lying

  278. Dave North 10 Mar 2010, 9:58pm

    Interesting isn’t it.

    How the religious only see their own interpretations of things.

    They continually fail to see that “LIFE” no matter which species
    is a sexually transmitted condition with a 100% mortality rate.

    They use their religious belief system yet again as they have done for over a Thousand years allowing and teaching the liars that call themselves a religion.

    Brain Washing comes to mind.

    Being 12 years old and called a poof, whilst I didn’t know what the hell I was or what that meant, other than a potential embarrassment to my parents only years later to find that
    NOW, at 44 I do not give one blind whoo haa what any of these people think.

    In a way, it assisted. So when I ask a question as to how I should employ someone. I ask?

  279. Will wrote
    “This odious Skinner isn’t debating, he’s just pasting the same crap over and over again! Efficient, I’ll agree, but rather insipid and uninspired, wouldn’t you agree?

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Exactly – cut and paste but no pastiche insight of any merit

  280. David Skinner 11 Mar 2010, 9:07am

    Not interesting Dave North but absolutely true! But for you to say that Christians “fail to see that life, no matter which species is a sexually transmitted condition with a 100% mortality rate” ……for you to that is, well…., breathtaking in its mendacity, ignorance and consequent blindness. But who am I to judge? The whole of the Bible is nothing but this theme. I recommend that you read the Bible to see what it has to say about life and death.

    Your very concise and true statement is exactly what is said here:

    Romans 5:12-21
    Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command ( from the Mosaic Law) , as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
    But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
    Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
    The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Roman 8: 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

    However, you do raise a profound point, which is that sex is a vital part of our whole being. Whatever we do in our bodies will effect our persons. We cannot detach our sexual behaviour from our personal relationships. When human sex is either relegated to merely a pro-creational or recreational function, divorced from a personal and spiritual realm, we have dualism and the consequent ills of our broken society. When a man and women become one flesh, they create, in time, a whole structure of interdependent and complimentary, personal relationships that transcend the kind of relationships seen in the animal world.

  281. Aaaaand another mindless cut and paste. You can use a mouse, David. Great. I’m impressed. Another triumph for retired art teachers everywhere, I’m sure.

    “When a man and women become one flesh, they create, in time, a whole structure of interdependent and complimentary, personal relationships that transcend the kind of relationships seen in the animal world.”

    Ha Ha ha ha ha ha! This is just classic. Mills and Boon, was it?

    What a load of toss. You really are an joke, David. Desperate to get one up on the queers…. and with that nonsense, you’ve a LONG way to go! LOL!

    Roll on Civil Partnerships in Ireland! Roll on marriage in DC! Beep Beep! Gay rights, coming through!

  282. and again David Skinner ignores the bonds and love that same-sex couples have and the families that many raise or are a part of plus Dave North makes sense

  283. David Skinner 11 Mar 2010, 9:59am

    The plain truth is that an island populated solely by homosexuals will die within one life time, if not sooner. The life expectancy of gays is considerably shorter than so called straights.

    In order to pro create gays have to abuse God’s created, bi nomial order by enlisting the aid of egg donnors and surrogate wombs, thereby rendering women as mere machines for creating products of pregancy. God help the children of such monstrous abuse of God’s natural order.

  284. “The plain truth is that an island populated solely by homosexuals will die within one life time, if not sooner.”

    Where is this island again? I am in the process of booking holidays, sounds great. And with everyone dying, property prices must be a real deal!

    “The life expectancy of gays is considerably shorter than so called straights.”

    Do you have any proof of this? No. And don’t quote that NARTH nonsense, its completely discredited rubbish. In fact, we probably live longer, due to a high level of education and living standards our extra disposable income to spend on health.

    “God help the children of such monstrous abuse of God’s natural order”

    Actually, god help YOUR children… you obsession with sex and paedophilia must have put them in some considerable danger.

  285. Oh dear, David. I had credited you with some intelligence, but then you went and said:

    “Iris, you have come up trumps! Thankyou for this gem”

    Clearly, you’re too stupid to see that this is a parody. It’s a parody of the utter rubbish that homophobic websites come up with (and I’m sure you must have looked at quite a few of those…). It shows how you can take statistics and twist them to ‘prove’ something which is completely untrue. Obviously, it was wasted on you.

    And what IS your obsession with sex? Is that all your relationship is about? Is that how you see people – purely on sexual terms? I find that incredibly disturbing.

  286. “I find that incredibly disturbing”

    Totally agree, Iris. When someone thinks THIS much about graphic and demeaning sex, they usually act on it. They’re usually referred to as rapists.

  287. David Skinner wrote
    “In order to pro create gays have to abuse God’s created, bi nomial order by enlisting the aid of egg donnors and surrogate wombs, thereby rendering women as mere machines for creating products of pregancy. God help the children of such monstrous abuse of God’s natural order.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David so heterosexual couples who cannot conceive, but use invitro fertilization . . . David are these heterosexuals monstrous?

  288. David Skinner wrote
    “The life expectancy of gays is considerably shorter than so called straights.”

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    David it is true that the HIV virus and AIDs has meant a signifcant number of gay men have died before thier time, a similar situation exist in Africa amongst heterosexuals.

    I am not aware of any academic research that has stated that gay men/women who have not been affected by HIV or AIDs have shorter life spans than heterosexuals.

    David where did you find this research? . . . perhaps this is any one of your paranoid delusions.

  289. JohnK, Its discredited NARTH nonsense.

    Exodus International continues to air the distorted statistics and false health claims of antigay activists Paul and Kirk Cameron — laundered through third parties.

    On its recently redesigned web site, Exodus continues to host at least four articles, written by two longtime Exodus activists, that rely upon Cameron’s false claims about the health and longevity of same-sex-attracted persons.

    Exodus FAQ based on data by Paul CameronThe Exodus FAQ “Is there a connection between life expectancy and homosexuality?,” written by Exodus blogger and member-activist Nancy Brown, is blatant in its re-use of classic Cameron propaganda. And Exodus is apparently aware that the information in this FAQ is false: The document is riddled with internal staff annotations requesting “more information on citation” — something that isn’t possible to achieve, given that Cameron’s claims are scientifically unsupportable.

    Instead of removing false information from the FAQ, though, Exodus clings to the FAQ’s antigay health claims as a matter of faith.

    Exodus’s FAQ on life expectancy was replaced with this statement: “This article has been removed due to the inaccuracies surrounding the research of Paul Cameron.”

    Ergo, even Exodus knew this research was toilet paper. Only people like Skinner, with a minimal grasp of science and a belief in a 6,000 year old earth, cling on to it like straws.

    Skinner is a liar

  290. Do you all realise that this thread is heading for its 300th posting because you keep responding to the insane solipsistic blatherings of David Skinner? And in the meantime the questions raised specifically by this story have got lost.
    I’m sure you’ve all got better things to do.

  291. Yes, but its fun. Skinner is as debase as humans get. Showing him up for the genetic pile of slops he is, is quite enjoyable fun. Join in, Riondo, its a howl. A nice a few moments of distraction from the pressures of work every now and then for a good chuckle keeps the stress level down…

  292. And to think that unto such as you
    A maggot minded, starved fanatic crew
    God gave the secet and not to me?
    Well, well, what matters it! Believe that too!

    Glad to see I missed this pointless argument with the brain dead religious fanatic.

  293. Hi Will
    Thanks

    I am aware of the “Paul Cameron” so called academic Journal, or lets put it like this . . .

    A Journal which people pay the journal to have their articles included within it

    A Journal which is discredited through out the academic community, and I might add the academic community through out the world.

    A Jounral which relies predominaley on articles from fundamentalist Christian extremists with no peer viewing what so every, so to speak.

    In a nutshell . . . a loony journal for loonies

  294. Now that silly old Dorset art-teacher’s, David Skinner’s, ridiculous arguments have been so brilliantly beaten down, he is reduced, above, to suggesting that homosexuality is vile, disgusting, detestable, abominable, and must above all things be stopped because . . . two homosexual people cannot by their act of love also procreate!

    True, but as if procreation, the production of more and more greedy mouths on this planet, is the be all and end all, the one great test of of a human beings worth!

    Thinks this sad old man in Dorset: “You cannot procreate? Into the gas chambers with you, NOW!”

    Homosexuals are very good at organising procreation – if and when procreation is desired or necessary.

    It’s the dumb unthinking beasts that procreate without intention that need seeing to!

    David Skinner needs to accept and love the same-sex love that he knows and feels is deep inside him. Only then will he achieve peace and be free from his need to keep thwacking it, trying to kill a part of himself that is actually good and honest and deeply satisfying.

    Accept it Mr. Skinner. Accept it. Capitulate to your inner truth.

    Give up those out-dated primitive old parchments that disallow you to accept who you truly are.

  295. Jean-Paul Bentham 11 Mar 2010, 7:59pm

    Freedom of Speech is alive and well at PinkNews.

    But when homophobic remarks, like the ones made in schoolyards, incite violence, they should be recorded as an indication of the mood of a certain milieu.

    Likewise, Mister Skinner should be reminded that his comments are being recorded and that they are every bit as dangerous as the comments made by Steven Lively and Martin Ssempa in Uganda (see today’s Box Turtle Bulletin).

    Will is right…..beep, beep, make way, here come Gay Rights because they are Human Rights.

  296. Extinguishing fanaticism is like trying to get rid of japanese knotweed. The tiniest outbreak is toxic and contagious, and removing it from the mind it has been hijacked is near impossible.

  297. David Skinner 12 Mar 2010, 8:48am

    God is always forgiving. Men sometimes forgive. Nature never forgives.

    From the lips of the sodomites, homosexuals, LGBTs, gays, pinks, queers, mosaics, outs …whatever; it all spells a wide, broad, all inclusive, non -discriminatory and diversity route
    to an early death and after that the second death. The fact that this does not fill them with a sense of dread can only be put down to a supernatural, as opposed to a natural, cause.

    http://www.gmhc.org/news-and-events/press-releases/gay-men-44-times-more-likely-to-get-hiv

  298. Did you know its scientifically proven you’re more stupid than I, Skinner?

    Here’s the proof:

    In 2008, intelligence researcher Helmuth Nyborg examined whether IQ relates to denomination and income, using representative data from the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which includes intelligence tests on a representative selection of American youth, where they have also replied to questions about religious belief. His results, published in the scientific journal Intelligence demonstrated that on average, Atheists scored 1.95 IQ points higher than Agnostics, 3.82 points higher than Liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions. “I’m not saying that believing in God makes you dumber. My hypothesis is that people with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions, which give answers that are certain, while people with a high intelligence are more sceptical,” says the professor.

    Wow. Fascinating.

    The relationship between countries’ belief in a god and average Intelligence Quotient, measured by Lynn, Harvey & Nyborg.

    Nyborg also co-authored a study with Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, which compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries. The study analysed the issue from several viewpoints. Firstly, using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 g-IQ points higher than those adhering to a religion.

    Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all the higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which is “highly statistically significant.” This portion of the study uses the same data set as Lynn’s work IQ and the Wealth of Nations.

    Commenting on the study in The Daily Telegraph, Lynn said “Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God”

    Given how obsessed you are with religion, this is scientific proof you’re stupid.

    I don’t really listen to idiots.

    Call it ignorophobia.

  299. David Skinner 12 Mar 2010, 9:32am

    Will, There seems to be a one hell of a load of cuttin’ an pastin’ going on here. At least my “cuts and pastes” are from my own writing, apart from where I a quote and acknowledge another source. What you singulary wish to ignore is that science is much an art as art is a science. The person engaged in both activities is part of the creation. In science. this means that the methodology used by the said scientists will be coloured by the scientists own prejudices and biases. We have seen this recently with global warming and dodgy data coming out of Essex. As For Paul Cameron, he got the body that deals with awarding certificaton to apologise for their treatement of and thus vindicate him. Paul, you make me think of a group of words all beginning with “d” : deception, denial, delusion, distraction and ultimately death. Don’t take it personally

  300. “From the lips of the sodomites, homosexuals, LGBTs, gays, pinks, queers, mosaics, outs …whatever; it all spells a wide, broad, all inclusive, non -discriminatory and diversity route
    to an early death and after that the second death. The fact that this does not fill them with a sense of dread can only be put down to a supernatural, as opposed to a natural, cause.”

    That sounded completely unhinged…

    As you seem to like poems, here’s one simply called ‘Hate’. It was the first one I found when I googled, which I take to be a happy coincidence – you may attribute it to God, if you wish. Either way, it seemed very suitable:

    Hate has burned a gaping hole –
    The rancid reek of charring flesh
    Is dancing on my very soul.
    And as the rising fumes enmesh
    My crumpled heart, I play the role
    Of crabby fart, gassing off
    A diatribe; bleeding out a
    Bitter part: an ugly twisted man.

    Copyright Mark R Slaughter 2009

  301. “Will, There seems to be a one hell of a load of cuttin’ an pastin’ going on here”

    Yes, I’ve decided you are incapable of discussion on an intellectual level, so I’m now going to do what you do, show a selection of websites.

    “What you singulary wish to ignore is that science is much an art as art is a science”

    Er, no its not. Nice try. Nothing against art teachers, but scientists you are not.

    “As For Paul Cameron, he got the body that deals with awarding certificaton to apologise for their treatement of and thus vindicate him.”

    Really, who exactly? No scientific body vindicated him. He’s a laughing stock of the scientific community. Besides, you’re a proven liar, David. And not as bright as me, scientifically proven, of course.

    “Paul, you make me think of a group of words all beginning with “d” : deception, denial, delusion, distraction and ultimately death. Don’t take it personally”

    Who’s Paul?

    Anyway, Skinner, you make me think of a group of words all beginning with “s” : small, stupid, sanctimonious, and ultimately sidelined. Don’t take it personally.

  302. This is how you change society,

    And in the end, the homophobic churches that preach hatred, will only have the ghosts of their ministers preaching to the dust in the pews, and the dust of their departed.

    And mankind will be free.

    And God and Jesus will be smiling.

  303. David Skinner 12 Mar 2010, 10:36am

    God is always forgiving. Men sometimes forgive. Nature never forgives.

    http://www.gmhc.org/news-and-events/press-releases/gay-men-44-times-more-likely-to-get-hiv

    Frankly I am disappointed with the level of gnashing of teeth from you lot; I had expected more. But in the words of the Rev John White, patriarch of Dorchester 1574- 1648, whilst being entertained one night by the devil, I have to say ” If thou hast nothing else do. I have.”

  304. “God is always forgiving. Men sometimes forgive. Nature never forgives.”

    Nature was forgiving to you, wasn’t it? You’re still alive, when by all accounts, you’re defective.

    Frankly I am disappointed with the level of stupidity from you Skinner; but then again, I had expected more. But in the words of the immutable Mark Twain, “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

    When you develop an intellect, and an ability to listen, we’ll be sure to include you on our “Queers Plot World Domination” weekly bulletin.

    Until then, you deserve noting but scorn.

  305. “But in the words of the Rev John White, patriarch of Dorchester 1574- 1648, whilst being entertained one night by the devil, I have to say ” If thou hast nothing else do. I have.” ”
    Well you could’ve fooled us! Please crack on with whatever pressing engagement you have and leave this site to people who actually want to be here.
    Personally I think thou dost protest too much.

  306. David Skinner – you’ve been nothing but irrational and homophobic with a non-existant victim/persecution complex whilst totally alienating people on this board
    gay men aren’t anything of what you lie which is a sin according to the book you claim to believe in,

  307. Bravo, Will! David, you come to provoke.

    Sorry we disappointed you. You’re like a child punching and poking another in the hope that they’ll retaliate. Why? Let me answer, as you’ve said (for the umpteenth time actually) that you’re leaving – you’re burning up in your own hate. Can’t be good for your blood pressure.

    That poem I posted was beautifully accurate :)

    Me? I just pity you.

  308. “Can’t be good for your blood pressure.”

    Indeed, Iris…. and the best part is he’ll be long dead when we’re still around to witness gay equality sweep Europe, as has been gathering unstoppable momentum even as we speak. An old fool banging on a PC is no match for justice in this age.

    Sinner’s time is limited. We can already see he has a psychological condition which we refuses to get treatment for… he’s probably not long for this world, bless. His rantings on a gay site are like a toothless old cat who knows the end is near. And everything he does here will amount to nothing more then a few lines of code in an archive somewhere when he’s gone:- useless and powerless as when he wrote it.

    Thing is, he knows this already.

  309. Some more real science for you Skinner:

    1. Stupid people, like you, die younger.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE57D38H20090814?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

    “Dr. Markus Jokela at the University of Helsinki, Finland and colleagues wanted to know why a low IQ in childhood is linked with an increased risk of dying in early adulthood.”

    2. We have established the more religious you are, the more stupid you likely to be.

    “The relationship between countries’ belief in a god and average Intelligence Quotient, measured by Lynn, Harvey & Nyborg.

    Nyborg also co-authored a study with Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, which compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries. The study analysed the issue from several viewpoints. Firstly, using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 g-IQ points higher than those adhering to a religion.”

    As you are SO entrenched in religious dogma, without reason or rationale, one can conclude that you are more stupid than the average church goer.

    3. The more religious, he more racist. We know you are already a very racist person, Skinner (hardly christian now, is it?), but here’s the scientific proof:

    A meta-analysis of 55 independent studies carried out in the United States with more than 20,000 mostly Christian participants has found that members of religious congregations tend to harbor prejudiced views of other races.

    In general, the more devout the community, the greater the racism, according to the authors of the analysis, led by Wendy Wood, Provost Professor of Psychology and Business at USC College and the USC Marshall School of Business. The study appears in the February issue of Personality and Social Psychology Review.

    “Religious groups distinguish between believers and non-believers and moral people and immoral ones,” Wood said. “So perhaps it’s no surprise that the strongly religious people in our research, who were mostly white Christians, discriminated against others who were different from them — blacks and minorities.”

    Most of the studies reviewed by Wood’s team focused on Christians because Christianity is the most common religion in the United States.

    I think this proves scientifically what we already know about you Skinner:- you an idiot and a bigot. You death will be welcomed by humanity.

  310. David Skinner 12 Mar 2010, 12:30pm

    Sounds suspiciously like incitement not just to hatred but to kill me, Will. You need to get together with Duncan Allan who made a similar gaff on ” Have I got News for you?” Thanks I shall record this coming from Pink News.

    Many Thanks

  311. David Skinner 12 Mar 2010, 12:32pm

    Or Alan Duncan, even

  312. The indoctrinated-one has written: “From the lips of the sodomites, homosexuals, LGBTs, gays, pinks, queers, mosaics, outs . . . ” and really thinks that he can at the same time claim that he is not suffering from homophobia! Laughable. Absolutely laughable.

    David Skinner needs to accept and love the same-sex love that he knows and feels is deep inside him. Only then will he achieve peace and be free from his need to keep thwacking it, trying to kill a part of himself that is actually good and honest and deeply satisfying.

    Accept it Mr. Skinner. Accept it. Capitulate to your inner truth.

    Give up those out-dated primitive old parchments that disallow you to accept who you truly are.

  313. “Thanks I shall record this coming from Pink News.”

    I had to laugh at that! Look back at YOUR posts – they’re nasty and hateful. It’s called ‘transference’ – transferring defect’s in one’s own person to another. A good example was one you accused me of militantly quoting the Bible – this coming from a man who has quoted the Bible ad nauseam and always to justify his own bigotry. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so very, very sad.

  314. Yes, indeed, I’ll second that opinion, Will. Humanity, if it were to be aware of the cesspit of self-strangulation which is the mind of sad loser David Skinner, would indeed not mourn his death.

    If one happened to be in Dorset at the time of his passing it would, though, be rather interesting to view the kind of individuals who might mourn the sad old fart’s passing!

    Recant and abjure, Skinner. You can still embrace the same-sex love that you know is deep within you. You can still become a truly happy person. Let go of your cancer of gnawing hatred. Love your true inner self. Stop bashing at it. There’s no need. There are no medals. There is no big pixie-in-the-sky, no heaven, no hell. You have nothing to gain by being consumed with such self-hatred.

  315. “Sounds suspiciously like incitement not just to hatred but to kill me, Will”

    Ha ha ha ha! Yeah, like you’re not doing that yourself! Ohhhh, I’m soooooo scared! You’re going to report me to your band of lunatics. Off you go. Go on. I’d LOVE to see this.

    You powerless impotent twat.

    If you could actually READ, you illiterate moron, you’d see I said an old fart like you is one foot in the grave. It is true, the more religious you are, the bigger the fool you become!

    LOL! You’re priceless, Skinner…. a real waste of DNA.

  316. David Skinner 12 Mar 2010, 4:11pm

    And to think that Peter Drury went onto a hate register for the rest of his school days, for calling out, “Gay Boy.” Thanks, for demonstrating that there is one law for straights and one law for ….now what do you want to be called? Queers? Pinks? LGBTs? Gays?

    Kate Sicolo, the antibullying and homophobia worker in Cornwall ( pity there is isn’t a dedicated worker, specifically for those who are being bullied for being too fat, or thin, or red haired or even, dare I say, for being Christian?) said recently at the pre – launch of the 2010 History Month, at the British Museum, last November, pointing to a board that she and her lesbian partner had put up in Gwinears Community, Primary School.

    “For me This board really sums up that phrase community cohesion, because in Cornwall , community cohesion is not just about race. Community cohesion is about the many different communities that we have and for us the inclusion of the LGBT communities is a massive part of that. I wanted to leave you with this slide. Which is a display board in Gwinears School which I made with the help of my partner which is permanently on display in the school . It’s still there and for a primary school to have these words, to have the words gay and lesbian and British and Gypsy and black and dyslexic and male and lots of different things, on their wall,… on permanent display is such a fantastic thing –sends such a brilliant message to those children. Children at Gwinear do not use the word gay to mean things they do not like, because they know what the word gay actually means. And they know that that’s a word that’s on the wall and for them it so usual, to use Sue’s( Suanders) phrase that it is not an issue.”

    So there you have it: “they know that that’s a word that’s on the wall and for them it so usual.” Well maybe Kate Sicolo needs to show the children at Gwinear’s school what the word gay really means, by introducing them to the comments on Pink News.

    Anyway guys, you can rest now; you have performed admirably. No More, or as they say in Italy, “Basta, basta.”

  317. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Mar 2010, 5:40pm

    Not much luck in cyberbullying here, eh Skinner. ha!

    Don’t go away mad…just go away!

  318. “For me This board really sums up that phrase community cohesion, because in Cornwall , community cohesion is not just about race. Community cohesion is about the many different communities that we have and for us the inclusion of the LGBT communities is a massive part of that. I wanted to leave you with this slide. Which is a display board in Gwinears School which I made with the help of my partner which is permanently on display in the school . It’s still there and for a primary school to have these words, to have the words gay and lesbian and British and Gypsy and black and dyslexic and male and lots of different things, on their wall,… on permanent display is such a fantastic thing –sends such a brilliant message to those children. Children at Gwinear do not use the word gay to mean things they do not like, because they know what the word gay actually means. And they know that that’s a word that’s on the wall and for them it so usual, to use Sue’s( Suanders) phrase that it is not an issue.”

    How decent, how human, how compassionate, how all-embracing!

    And isn’t it symptomatic of Skinner’s aberrational frame of mind that he sees that paragraph as indicative of a societal horror of a magnitude that his imagination can only begin to conceive.

    What a poor sad sicko.

    And yet John tells us he’s apparently spent his life as an art teacher, someone who is supposed to see the beautiful in life, relish the beauty in all things, as have so many great homosexual and heterosexual artists over the centuries.

    Have you spent your whole life aborting and sabotaging your own reason for being, Mr. Skinner?

    I THINK so.

    But you have SOME years left. Why not fill them with love and self-acceptance. Give in to your inner self, to the same-sex attraction that you have identified deep within you. It doesn’t mean that you can’t also enjoy attraction to the opposite sex also. Because you love ONE thing, it doesn’t follow that the other thing has to be viewed as repugnant. You can embrace the diversity within yourself.

    Give yourself a hug.

  319. fat and thin people don’t get less rights, no rights, hated or even murdered due to that David Skinner! many Christians whine about persecution when they find they can’t get away with being twattish control-freak losers and forcing others to live the way that Christian wants

  320. “Basta, basta”

    Not f****** likely, mate. The only “enough” around here is your tripe and people everywhere are tired of it, you day in the sun ended with the Inquisition. Idle threats, poorly recieved petitions, and biblical quotes – cut’n’pate style – are not going to silence us – I think we’ve already established we’re the ones on the winning side this time

    Run along now Skinner, your Complan is getting cold.

  321. Anyway guys, you can rest now; you have performed admirably. No More, or as they say in Italy, “Basta, basta.”

    I’ve been following this thread with interest. (You’ve all been doing a marvellous job dealing with this individual, by the way.) I find it gobsmackingly extraordinary that all of a sudden Skinner should flick his wrist and condescendingly say that you can now all have a rest, that he’s had enough, “Basta! Basta!”

    How arrogant can a person be? To have said the hateful hurtful spiteful things that he has been saying and then to think that he can end it just like that, as if he was talking to friends, well it only goes to show he has no idea of his actions.

    I think David Skinner could suffer from some kind of autism or insensitivity to others.

  322. “I think David Skinner could suffer from some kind of autism or insensitivity to others.”

    Agreed, Juniper. My suspicion is Schizophrenia or perhaps Schizotypal personality disorder (or similar).

    Given his mood swings, paranoia, delusional statements, and “end of world” belief structure, its a fair assumption.

    A person diagnosed with schizophrenia will experience delusions (especially ones that seem “bizarre”), disposition to ego-centric and grandiose conspiracies, and disorganized thinking/speech. The latter may range from loss of train of thought, to sentences only loosely connected in meaning, to incoherence known as word salad in severe cases. There is often an observable pattern of emotional difficulty, for example lack of responsiveness or motivation. Impairment in social cognition is associated with schizophrenia, as are symptoms of paranoia, and social isolation commonly occurs.

    Sounds like Skinner to me.

  323. Jean-Paul Bentham 12 Mar 2010, 9:33pm

    Exactly. And if David Skinner was drawn onto this thread by the story of 10-year-old Peter Drury’s schoolyard bullying, it’s probably because Skinner himself has been a bully all his life.

    Art teacher…doesn’t ring true, somehow. I just don’t see him appreciating all the colors of the rainbow.

  324. Yes, he can’t have been a very good art teacher, JP.

    Just imagine the damage he must have done in the classroom.

    Some innocent child sends a crayon in the wrong direction, and Skinner would be down on him like a killer!

    “Draw a man? You must be warped, boy! Why haven’t you drawn a big-boobied voluptuous woman! Shame on you. Boys may only draw women! Women may only draw men! I will have NO perversion in my classroom, thank you! And any guy who wants to do art anyway just has to be a great big disgusting nancy-boy! This is a girl’s subject!”

    Er, but wot about you, Mr. Skinner?

  325. . . . and there is the question of Life drawing in Mr skinners classes . . . no doubt that would be seen as some sort of perversion!

  326. JohnK, Art Teacher Skinner mooches about the room, gawking over students’ shoulders, looking for any sign of warmth in a boy’s drawing of a male.

    “You must make men look like MEN!” bellows angry old Skinner! “I want the hard strong jagged lines of a MAN! Do you HEAR me! And remove that soft gentle smile from his lips. Men should look TOUGH. Not SOFT! What ARE you! A NANCY-BOY?????”

    Jesus, the damage old Skinner caused, eh? You can bet he was no favourite in the classrooms or staff-rooms of Dorset!

  327. “How arrogant can a person be? To have said the hateful hurtful spiteful things that he has been saying and then to think that he can end it just like that, as if he was talking to friends, well it only goes to show he has no idea of his actions.”

    Exactly. And the answer to your question there is “very”….

    David Skinner is a bully, as he’s amply demonstrated here. He can’t bear us to be normal – and I use that word to encompass a wide variety of things. We have to be bad/evil/nasty/diseased etc to reinforce his warped view of gay people. His vendetta is a very personal one, and it’s sad that he can’t let go of something form his past and move on.

    Look at all the time he spent here goading and sneering. Apart from the fact that most people would have better things to do with their retirement, it really smacks of mental issues that need sorting out. He probably thinks I’m having a dig at him every time I say that – because he transfers his own feelings onto others – but, David, I’m not. You need to speak to someone and let them give you an objective view of your issues, then let them help you move on. Whether you move on to devoting yourself to God, helping others, starting a new hobby, is up to you, but I can’t believe that burning in the acid of your own hate is a very pleasant way to live.

  328. Eddy . . . exactly

    Skinner an Art teacher . . . what a joke or should I say, what went wrong. lol

  329. Yes, Skinner, do tell JohnK, Will, Iris, JP, me, and the whole fuc*ing world what it was! What went wrong, and when? Was it yer mother? Or was it yer father? Or did some paederastic old uncle ram his hands down your shorts when you were a nipper?

    Come on, let us all help you. We could be your salvation!

  330. Jean-Paul Bentham 14 Mar 2010, 1:59pm

    But we won’t spoon feed you ideas, David. You’ll have to learn to think for yourself like any mature human being. Only then will we be able to discuss ideas with you.

    Now please, please don’t take that the wrong way. In the words of Rev. Desmond Tutu: “Jesus did not say ‘love one another except the gays'”.

  331. JP, I reckon his computer is as Jurassic as him and it can’t cope with the length of this thread! Hee, hee, hee!

    How to get shut of bigots! Just quickly paste 300 Comments into a thread so they’ll get brassed off . . . and p*ss of!

  332. Folks, I’d say his flippant departure is we’re beginning to smell something seriously wrong with that debase fool, and he’s knows the longer he’s here the more ammunition he gives us…. actually, after we mentioned his splendidly intelligent “cut and paste” method of blogging, he seemed to loose interest….

    ….but then again, it could be something just as simple as the attendant taking away his internet privileges because he started harassing the other inmates of his psychiatric hospitals.

  333. Yeah, that’s the trouble with being a bigot. After a while, even with your best efforts, it becomes impossible to hide the fact that your hatred is purely personal and has no basis in fact or logic.

  334. He’s off recovering somewhere, but the incubus inside him festers still and will eventually out again, to come here and gorge.

    As soon as he appears, let’s alert each other via “My” and beat the bug*er back into its shell.

    Our strongest weapons against him appear to be:

    – the “homophobe = homosexual” research

    – refusing to be cowed by his “cut ‘n paste” form of arguing

    – refusing to grant authority to any of his quotations from ancient texts by primitive peoples

    – demanding that he answers the questions put to him

  335. …and reminding him that normal adults don’t care what other consenting adults do in bed… I think that needs repeating too. It’s bloody weird to be so obsessed.

  336. Yes, Iris, indeed. We must say to him “You are obsessed with my loving a person of the same sex. Why are you obsessed with this activity of mine? It’s not your activity, is it? Haven’t you got things to be doing?” :-)

  337. Jeeze,why not just take the kid out in public with a sign round his neck proclaiming him as homophobic!Better yet,let’s lynch him from a tree!Will that satisfy everyones’ need for action?! If the relevent parties,i.e. school,parents etc quietly but firmly discussed with the child why he’d felt the need to use the term ‘gay-boy’,in what context he’d used the term,and had established that he’d used it in a derogeratory manner then they all may well have resolved the matter sensibly!Maybe the child needs to be monitored for a period of time to be sure he understands the ramifications of his actions.And yes,I happen to think it’s beneficial for places of learning to keep a ‘register’ of any kind of inaappropriate behaviour,but one which couples monitoring with effective measures to eradicate any offensive activity.But,let’s give the kid a chance first before marking him out as a psycho of tomorrow! What happened to good old fashioned common sense?Oh,yeah,it flew out of the window with the introduction of litigation and the ‘nanny state’!

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