Maybe it’s time to start a Europe-wide petition demanding the status of the Vatican within this organisation being given a good scrutiny. It’s just theme-park with a couple of streets in Rome, with laws that wouldn’t allow membership, so why should the pope and his gang have their representative in Brussels? They’re not even part of the EU and the Europeans they’re supposed to represent all have their own politicians.
The vatican is regarded as a city-state and is allowed to have representatives at the EU in much the same way as they have them at the UN. I agree the vatican shouldn’t be there but it seems the new president is a devout catholic so I doubt it will happen any time soon.
Let the pope come, and let’s organize the biggest anti-religious, pro-secular demonstration the world has ever seen to greet him.
While we’re at it, lets include Rowan Williams and his own cult, they’re just as bad and as anachronistic as the sister cult in Rome. Neither have any place in a modern democracy, much like the House of Lords. As much as I support the National Secular Society and signed on to the petition, neither Brown or Cameron would do anything to cancel the archbigot’s trip in September, wouldn’t be politically correct. Neither have the balls to do it! Couple of hypocrites too….they ban Geert Wilders and Michael Savage but let this anti-gay equality opponent into the country. He should be at the top of list of undesirables who should keep their noses out of British politics, meddlesome old closet queen that he is.
I agree with the above… Protest protest protest! That this evil old bigot is coming here at all is bad enough, but the very thought of the taxpayer having to meet some of the bill for this charade is even worse.
If the Catholic church is short of money to pay for the trip by his nastyness, (as if!), then let them sell off some of their churches and cash in some of their worldwide investment portfolios. Or, better still, don´t come at all.
Only 28,000 signatures. I hoped it would reach a far higher number than that.
But if 28,000 appear on the streets or at his outdoor rallies and blow whistles and boo and are prepared to demonstrate their anger, then that could scare the old goat.
I agree, Clive, we have got to organise a massive and highly visible demonstration against him, something that the BBC just cannot choose to ignore.
But maybe we should head over to a more radical forum than this. I don’t think most people here have got the nerve.
If I want to organise a festival or a Pride event I have to pay for the additional police myself. How come he gets special treatment? No wonder the church has so much money when they seem to have such deep pockets and short arms!
Sell off some of those silver candlesticks and pay for your own trip, pope! I only hope you make some foolish homophobic remark while you are here and we can report you to the police and have you arrested. After all, you can’t claim diplomatic immunity on the grounds of being a god-bothering member of an outdated cult…
I think someone should take the initiative to have T-shirts printed saying: Religion = Hate, in the way the Silence = Death T-shirts were produced 20 years ago. Whenever a protest is held if thousands could wear these t-shirts, this could send a powerful message to the Catholic Chucrh and the public.
Good idea, Ken. Go to the National Secular Society website, send them an email, and suggest it. Somebody needs to get the orders in.
It isn’t so much what the archbigot preaches, it’s that he and his cult interfere in the political process and have privileged access to politicians (as well as leverage over those who are cultists!)
This was the reason the sect wsa banned in this country for so long – not for their religious teachings but for their treason (remember they advocated the murder of Elizabeth I) and later support for the Stuart monarchs against parliament and the people. (NB I know that this is a simplicistic interpretation of a complex subject so don’t flame me!)
It’s a political power structure first, founded on people’s needs and credulity, and a religion second.
I should add the CoE is in the same mould (same access etc)
I signed this but have knowing Labour it’ll just be binned so protest is the best answer.
“It’s a political power structure first, founded on people’s needs and credulity, and a religion second”…
I agree, and believe the most useful way to conceptualise the Pope is not as the ‘successor to St Peter’, but as the ‘successor to the Emperors of Rome’…then and only then does Catholicism make sense….Catholicism is firstly about power and control, and secondly (perhaps only provincially, if at all)about love and forgiveness…But I disagree with the ‘Religion = Hate’ T-shirt: there are a number of religions, including Christian ones such as the Quakers, which are strongly in favour of gay equality and it is sad to see these ignored or dismissed here when they are very principled and passionate supporters of our cause….
No 13: Mark: you say: “But I disagree with the ‘Religion = Hate’ T-shirt: there are a number of religions, including Christian ones such as the Quakers, which are strongly in favour of gay equality and it is sad to see these ignored or dismissed here when they are very principled and passionate supporters of our cause…. ”
However most of major religions in the UK are backward bigots.
Perhaps a T-shirt reading ‘RELIGION = AN INABILITY TO THINK FOR ONESELF’ would be better.
but seeing as we’re talking about wearing a t-shirt to coincide with Ratzi The Nazi then ‘Religion = Hate’ seems reasonable.