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  1. ” “Meanwhile, a Times questionnaire showed that two thirds of the 100 candidates surveyed believe gay couples should have “exactly the same rights as heterosexual couples”. ”

    What are these candidates’s names.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will demand marriage equality.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will campaign to remove the religious exemption from equality legislation.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will oppose catholic extremist Iain Duncan Smith’s efforts to reduce the parental rights of non-biological gay parents.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will be campaigning for the dissolution of the alliance between the Tories and the extreme right, homophobic Law and Justice Party in Poland.

    After all they claim that they say people should have full equality. I want to know who they are so their professed commitment to equality can be monitored.

    Although let’s be honest – knowing the Tories this is simply more spin. ‘Call Me Dave’ Cameron is a professional liar – having worked in PR.

    ‘Call me Dave’ also pretends to support equality and says that he would never form an alliance with people whose views he finds unacceptable.

    Does he think it acceptable to call gay people ‘faggots’ or to claim that gay people make up 1% of the population but are responsible for 43% of sex crimes against children.

    Lies, lies, lies.

    Name the 100 Tory candidates so their commitment to equality can be monitored.

  2. Of course they’re going to say they’re for “equal” rights except full marriage equality but then they’re no different than the Labour party that only say things like this just to get votes and elected to office. The Tories are NO different! They are so transparent and must take us for idiots. Neither party does anything for equality voluntarily unless they’re pressured by the EU or others, unlike the other eight more progressive countries, more progressive than we’ll ever be no matter who occupies No. 10.

  3. “A poll of 101 prospective candidates by New Statesman found that 74 per cent agreed gay couples in civil partnerships should get the same tax benefits as straight married couples.”

    So they are not supporting gay rights just tax equality PinkNews. As the Tories will scrap most of tax credits and give inheritance tax reprieve for their rich chums I doubt that matters.

    “The Times found that candidates tended to be more liberal than sitting MPs. Eighty-four per cent of MPs thought multiculturalism was bad, compared to 48 per cent of candidates.”

    But only a very small number of that 84 per cent are stepping down.

    “It calculated that 2.4 per cent of Tory MPs would be gay, compared to 2.3 per cent of Labour MPs.”

    Still most of them will be white upper or middle class Oxford or Cambridge university educated males who where mostly privately educated!

  4. theotherone 26 Feb 2010, 3:22pm

    ‘Still most of them will be white upper or middle class Oxford or Cambridge university educated males who where mostly privately educated!’

    As is the Labour Front Bench.

    Oh well political parties, who needs them eh?

  5. Well after Labour’s sell out, They’ll be getting my vote!!

    Bring on the election.

    Whistles at the ready…

    lennonLets kick those Labour butts out!!

  6. The sad thing is they think its a great achievement to have 0.1 % more gay MPs than the opposition!

  7. The Tories haven’t changed.

    They cannot afford to alienate their core voters – Daily Mail readers – who largely still hate gay people.

    ‘Call me Dave’ makes all the right noises about supporting LGBT people but has done NOTHING to prove that it’s anything other than hot air.

    That’s why these 100 candidates need to be named.

    Although of course they won’t be named. The Tories don’t want to alert their Daily Mail voters to the fact that their candidates pretend to support gay rights.

  8. Squidgy: No 5: you say: “Well after Labour’s sell out, They’ll be getting my vote!! ”

    A vote for the Tories is NOT a protest vote. It is a vote against LGBT equality.

    Why not vote LibDem or Green if you want to punish Labour? Those Tory bigots don’t give a toss about you.

  9. Sorry Simon last time I check Great Britian was still a democracy I can vote for who I like without some blackmailing emotional toddle.

    I usually vote Lib Dem but a vote for them is a vote to keep Labour in and I feel they are a disaster. Yes I know about gay rights and yes they are important but there is more to politics than the gay issue. I really don’t want to live in a bankrupt country where the current lot keep inviting homophobes by the masses hoping they’ll vote Labour.

    Enoughs, enough. Our rights won’t change, this won’t be the last Ever election. We Need change. If I don’t like the Tories I’ve vote against them next time but lets hope Labour actually find someone electable in that time. Somehow though, I doubt it.

  10. Squidgy, not even America is a true democracy, how on earth can you make the claim that the UK is when we dont’ even have FULL equality for our gay people? Having the right to vote and having due process in a legal system doesn’t necessarily make a country democratic. The House of Lords is hardly a democratic insitution, unelected bigots, mostly Tories voting down our rights among them some C of E cultist parasites. Just how democratic is that. They DO NOT represent me or you, yet they can run rough-shod over us. If we were a true democracy we wouldn’ be having debates and infighting about laws protecting us, we can’t even get married if we choose to. Where’s the equality in that?

  11. Robert – Your right of course, I’ll correct that for you…

    Last time I checked in Great Britain I had the right to vote for whoever I choice without some blackmailing emotional toddle.

    There better I think ;)

  12. vulpus_rex 26 Feb 2010, 4:50pm

    Hear, hear Squidgy.

    The low level stereotyping from some is appalling – it’s down there with “holding hands makes you pregnant” – ignorant, monomaniacal prejudice which uses a single issue to demonise a huge chunk of our politicians and those who vote for them.

    I’m no huge fan of David Cameron but given that the alternative is the stomach-churningly horrible prospect of another five years of Brown then I have no probably voting for Cameron.

  13. Thatcher and Milk – there’s a connection there somewhere….

    “A poll of 101 prospective candidates by New Statesman found that 74 per cent agreed gay couples in civil partnerships should get the same tax benefits as straight married couples.”
    or
    “A poll of 101 prospective candidates by the New Statesman found that 26 per cent (more than a quarter) didn’t agree that gay couples in civil partnerships should get the same tax benefits as straight married couples”

    That doesn’t sounds quite so touchy feely, does it?

  14. I dont trust any of them. Anyone can make promises before they are voted in and then do nothing. They allow religious bigots to carry on with their prejudiced ranting and raving; kids are still being bullied in schools; offensive language such as poofs, faggots and queers is rampant and still goes unchallenged. Vote Labour or Conservative……..????

  15. I think Simon wins in this thread. There is a very strong shift of white middle class gay allegiance to Tory-side. This has nothing to do with politics and more to do with a fetish for ‘success’ or ‘dressing up in suits’.

    The fact that Margaret Thatcher and Winnie are role models for such-like should scare the living shite out of us.

    We need to think clearly, with fact and not emotion when it comes to selecting our Govt. Frankly, until our politicians are up to it, which frankly they are not, then hung parliament please.

  16. “The low level stereotyping from some is appalling”

    OK let’s avoid stereotyping. Let’s have some answers to some simple questions:

    1. What are these candidates’s names – the 100 who claim to support total equality for LGBT people.

    2. What do these 100 Tory candidates intend to do to introduce marriage equality?

    3. What will these 100 Tory candidates do to remove the religious exemption from equality legislation?

    4. What will these 100 Tory candidates do to oppose catholic extremist Iain Duncan Smith’s efforts to reduce the parental rights of non-biological gay parents?

    5. What will these 100 Tory candidates do to ensure the dissolution of the alliance between the Tories and the extreme-right, homophobic Law and Justice Party in Poland.

    In light of the fact that the LGBTory group have shown themselves up to be nothing more than a PR exercise, I think it is only fair and reasonable to ask these questions of these 100 candidates who claim to support equality.

    If they refuse to answer then we can assume they are lying.

  17. I’d rather vote liberal then tory
    I lived under Thatcher and Major and it wasn’t nice and it wouldn’t be nice under Dave’s charge, labour has screwed up but that doesn’t mean the tories are better – look at how they have allied to the far-right parties for example

  18. vulpus_rex 26 Feb 2010, 5:33pm

    “If they refuse to answer then we can assume they are lying.”

    That simply isn’t true and is a cheap and easy contrivance that permits the dissemination of smear.

    Saying you’re in favour of something doesn’t mean that you have a plan for its immediate enactment, but not having that plan in no way means you are dishonest or lying about your opinions.

    Are seriously saying that if Tory PPCS are asked whether they want world peace, reply yes and then can’t give a detailed 10 point plan about how they will achieve it then they are Lying about wanting world peace?

    No? Then you are just being extremely juvenile and frankly ridiculous.

  19. Apparently according to a Guardian article, BME communities won’t vote Tory because they distrust them on race. Likewise, I am SURE there are lots of Gays who refuse to vote because we don’t trust them on sexuality issues!

  20. According to the information given in the report, I think the byline should read that “TWO THIRDS to three quarters support…” As it reads now it’s hard to make the argument that “a third to three quarters support” represents a majority.

  21. Mumbo Jumbo 26 Feb 2010, 7:34pm

    If you prefer to get an idea of where the Conservatives might be headed from a reliable news source, try this:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/12400596-16ac-11df-aa09-00144feab49a.html

    If what happened to the US Republican party following their own religious insurgency is anything to go by, it’s not encouraging.

  22. Squidgy and Vulpus: You have my vote!
    Typically, the usual suspects like Simon Murphy come flying in to attack the Tories at any and every possible opportunity.

    “A vote for the Tories is NOT a protest vote. It is a vote against LGBT equality.”

    Well, as I have said before, there are many other factors I set a much higher priority on before I’ really that bothered as to what the hell they want to call a CP/Marriage. If all you have to worry about is some poxy semantics, no wonder Labour gets so many LGBT votes. Considering Labour bottled out of gay marriage, faith schools opting out and and even the hate crimes bill, I hardly see them as pro-gay.

    The way I see it is I am a British citizen first, and a gay man second. If the Tories, or any other party can run the country properly, and maybe assist in LGBT issues as an aside, they have my vote because it’s pretty obvious Labour have managed to do neither in nearly 14 years.

  23. Anyone who votes tory must be a masochist or suffer from short term memory loss or be under 20 years of age and have no soul, it would be like a jew or black or gay stickin up for a ‘reformed’ BNP or NAZI party – which would be idiotic. Am i the only guy on here over 30 who remembers what the tories did to us, and will do to us again when they get power.
    margaret thatcher as a role model? for what? learning how to fu*k people over and make everyone but yourself have a miserable time. She was a vile woman who should be ashamed of what she did to our community, not used as a role model – gay people who like margaret thatcher are suffering from stockholm syndrome – you need therapy.

  24. Oh, Robn, how patriotic! Tears cam into my eyes as I pictured you singing ‘Land of Hope and Glory’! Isn’t it wonderful to be both British and Tory! Perhaps we ought to have a sundowner on that!

  25. James: “Am I the only guy on here over 30 who remembers what the tories did to us?”

    You have very selective memory. I remember three day weeks, power cuts, strikes everywhere, inflation through the roof and the “Winter of Discontent”, and it took a woman with bollocks big enough to show the Labour Party how it should really be done, and got rid of the unions, and got this country back the most prosperous period it has ever had since before WWI.

    Oh, and you mentioned the Nazi’s, so by Godwin’s Law, you just lost the argument. :)

    And Neville: I’m not a Tory actually, because I’m Anti-Europe, I’m UKIP.

  26. Oh, how wonderful to be so patriotic and a UKIP too. Oh, my cup runeth over! A treble chorus of ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ is called for, followed by a double sundowner!

  27. Sister Mary clarence 26 Feb 2010, 9:28pm

    Clearly we’re of the same era RobN – I remember the self same issues, and the depths this country has reached before the unions nearly destroyed the country, with the then Labour government clueless about how to deal with it.

    Rubbish piling up the the streets for what seemed like moneys, sitting at home in the dark freezing cold, country going cap in hand to the world bank begging for cash.

    Bit of New Labour spin and they were probably the happiest days of our lives.

  28. As a serious activist, not like RobN who simply comes on PinkNews to criticise absolutely anything to do with gay progress, I have written many letters to MPs, including Tory MPs.

    With regard to the many replies I have received from Tory MPs over the years I have been astounded time and again to receive from them on many issues replies that have been IDENTICAL – word for fu*king word!

    So let the gullible amongst us be warned, these Tories are so rat-cunning they brief their members on what to say and what to write.

    All those candidates who have apparently SAID they support gay rights have been BRIEFED to do so.

    As SimonM has simply asked:

    What are these candidates’s names.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will demand marriage equality.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will campaign to remove the religious exemption from equality legislation.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will oppose catholic extremist Iain Duncan Smith’s efforts to reduce the parental rights of non-biological gay parents.

    I want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will be campaigning for the dissolution of the alliance between the Tories and the extreme right, homophobic Law and Justice Party in Poland.

    Name the 100 Tory candidates so their commitment to equality can be monitored.

  29. You don’t need to stereotype a Tory when it is a hard cold fact that every last one of them is an uncaring selfish bastard, looking out for no-one but themselves.

  30. People, ignore the twisted nun, please. Over on the other Nick Herbert thread (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/17/gay-tory-nick-herbert-says-party-has-made-rapid-conversion-on-gay-equality/#) Sister Mary Clarence yet again exhibited, for all to see, her complete lack of integrity, by spinning a complete fantasy, i.e. an utter lie.

    She has told a complete fiction about her local Tory Xmas party, claiming that each year they are heaving with inebriated gay couples!

    She has promised our gullible member “Squidgy” that any man who appears without someone on his arm at her Tory Xmas parties is automatically assumed to be gay and is therefore instantly matched with another partnerless gay man! Another complete figment of the twisted nun’s imagination.

    In your sad sad dreams, Sr. Mary. In your sad sad dreams!

    We are still waiting for you to supply the name and address of your gay organiser of your wild Tory Xmas parties. If your story is true you have no reason not to do so because, if the wild picture of an inebriated gay-dominated Tory Xmas party is true, you will significantly increase the membership of your ranks!

    So we all await the supply of Sr. Mary’s organiser’s contact information! Obviously this is a party not to be missed and we all need to get our bookings in for this amazing happening!

  31. Unfortunately, Sister Mary is just like Epaminondas, somewhat dim witted!

  32. I think, Sister Mary, that the only rubbish piling up in the streets is you!

  33. As I stated earlier: “Typically, the usual suspects like Simon Murphy come flying in to attack the Tories at any and every possible opportunity.”

    I forgot the poisonous Eddy who goes for direct personal attack when he starts losing an argument, and his trusty sidekick evil Neville.

    Well you can witter all you like, whether the Tories get in alone, or with others, because very soon your lot are going to be well and truly OUT.

  34. I’m gay before I think of being a citizen – when the gov discriminates it makes me feel less welcome! I’d vote liberal as they’d be the best

  35. If someone is more interested in economics, why don’t you pi*s off to a banking website. It seems tories care more about their rubbish being collected than they do about people.

  36. Dave Atherton 27 Feb 2010, 1:46am

    As a 49 year old, card carrying member of the Tories, being gay is like being left handed, liking Spurs football team, or being a smoker, it is just a facet of your life. I am sure amongst some of the more older members, maybe they are not as comfortable as me. Economically equal rights should be viewed as a priority, and religiously, I personally believe that the legislation should be passed allowing this to be legal, and please don’t leave me off you invitation list.

    None of us are above criticism, but needless rudeness within my earshot will be viewed as requiring the benfit of my wisdom

  37. so we’re talking a range of 33% to 75%? WTF Pink News… some real statistics in your reporting, PLEASE!!!!!

  38. RobN wrote: “I forgot the poisonous Eddy who goes for direct personal attack when he starts losing an argument, and his trusty sidekick evil Neville.”

    RobN has stated on these threads that ALL gay men are “utterly selfish”.

    RobN has stated on these threads that gay men “cannot organize a pis*-up in a brewery”.

    RobN has stated on these threads that he resents living in a community where 95% of the other residents are not “pure English” as he says he is.

    RobN ceaselessly attacks news of progress in LGBT liberation on these threads.

    Therefore, whenever RobN steps out line, these facts will be posted for all members to see and be reminded of.

    Anyone should think very carefully before agreeing with any statement posted by RobN.

  39. Is it true that when RobN shaves his pudenda he simultaneously sings ‘Land of Hope and Glory’?

  40. It is interesting to see that RobN, otherwise known as Genghis Khan, thinks that he is pure English. What a fool he must be! How on earth can anyone prove that? There is no such thing as pure English. The English, like other races in the modern world, are a mongrel race. The only possibility of any race being other than mongrel is in the case of remote tribes, essentially prehistoric, who have always been insulated from congress with anyone other than their own tribe.

  41. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 1:12pm

    Interesting isn’t it RobN that the Labour trolls never have any come back on the demise of the previous Labour government.

    Airbrushed from history apparently.

    Living memory is seems goes back no further than 3rd May 1979.

  42. Oh,gosh, by golly, I am surprised to see that the lovely Sister Mary will enter into common cause with RobN, who apparently resents living among people who are not ‘pure English’ like himself. I don’t think that he would willingly welcome someone like her as a next door neighbour. He makes me feel so liberal in comparison!

  43. That’s all we need, someone who feels they have the right to sanction Freedom Of Speech.

  44. James, and lets not forget it was Thatcher who introduced Section 28! If they could do it again, the would and Cameron would be in lock-step with it if that were the prevailing sentiment. Make no mistake, the Tories are no different than Labour. They’ll say or do anything to get elected. Nothing more than political whores who are more interested in political correctness than doing the right thing by us. Lets see what the Tories do once elected out of the goodness of their own hearts instead of being compelled by EU mandates. They can start by proving they are better than Labour and sincere about this sudden “change of heart” by supporting full marriage equality for starters. You can bet, they’ll do NOTHING about that!

  45. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:06pm

    Neville, I think RobN is quite capable of speaking for himself about who he does or does not want to live with.

    I can’t remember him ever insisting I should identify myself as black every time I post on here, like you and your buddy Eddy, were so insistent that I should.

    Somewhat ironic also that you should be making suggestions that other people are racist is it not?

  46. Neville, it’s a feature of Tory ethics: a complete lack of integrity. They’ll run with the hares and they’ll run with the hounds. Rob N (who loathes the 95% of non-whites amongst whom he lives and says he is an evolutionist) will suck up to Sr. Mary (who has told us he is Black and a Christian). And Sr. Mary is clearly happy to suck up to someone whose rants about immigrants on these threads is nothing short of racist.

    But that’s the reactionary mindset for you – whether Tory or UKIP. There’s no integrity. That’s why PR-man Dave is so dangerous. They’re a bunch of shape-shifters!

  47. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:15pm

    John H – when have I every claimed to be a Christian – I’m afraid you’ve fallen for one of the Eddy/Neville ‘say-it-enough-and-it-becomes-true’ fabrications.

    No doubt you’re accuse me of being a shape-shifter for pointing it out now as well.

  48. Sister Mary, a Christian! I think that she really practises VooDoo. Can’t you feel the pain in the small of your back? Sister Mary is just like Epaminondas. Joking apart, John H, I entirely agree with what you say.

  49. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:17pm

    Perhaps John H, whilst apologising, you’d like to comment on the pre-Thatcher state of Britain under the Labour government, as no one else seems to want to discuss it.

  50. Remember, John H, that Sister Mary has been established as a liar, so you need to be very careful in believing anything that she says!

  51. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:19pm

    Oh, and there we go, Neville agrees with you regurgitating one of his fabrications …. Jesus Christ, the circle is complete

  52. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:23pm

    oh, and here we go … another ‘say-it-enough-and-it-becomes-true’ fabrication. People might not agree with what I have to say, but certainly not a liar.

    On the other hand, Neville …. not had any posting s removed?

    Your last racist ‘uncle tom’ insult was removed, and I’m sure there are a few people around who remember an entire thread being close and removed recently after you and Eddy made a series of racist comments.

  53. I note that, in her expletives, Sister Mary regresses unconsciously to the religious language with which she was indoctrinated at an early age. However, she has my sympathy for I am told how difficult it is to shake off these early child hood brain washings found in some black, fundamentalist churches – the Jesuits and all that.

  54. I understand that another person found you to be a liar, and as far as the closing of a thread was concerned, you played a very large part in that!

  55. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:31pm

    If you think about it carefully Neville, I think you’ll probably find that people with fundamentalist church upbringings, irrespective of colour, do not generally use expletives like ‘Jesus Christ’.

    I hope when I get to your age I’ve got a bit more of a grip on things …. reality for one …. and maybe the truth would be another

  56. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:37pm

    ‘I understand ….’ I think that’s the point, you think you do, but in fact you don’t.

    You’re absolutely right, I did play a part in the other thread getting closed in a way. I was the victim of you and Eddy venting your fury at a black person voting Tory … and out poured the racist abuse from the pair of you.

    Now, I’ve used this site for quite a long time now, and it is the only time I can remember that an entire thread was closed and removed.

    I note also that you CAN remember the comments being removed and yet a couple of hours ago, you were quite sure you’d not had comments removed. Its like the pre 79 things again I suppose … or have you just lost your mind completely?

  57. I’m afraid, Sister Mary, that people who attempt to shake off their fundamentalist brain washing do in fact act like that. It is rather like Graham Greene in reverse, that is from communism to Roman Catholicism. As far as the truth and you are concerned there are two cliches which are relevant: ‘not knowing the truth if it you in the face’ and the ‘kettle calling the frying pan black’!

  58. Poor, Sister Mary, doth protest too much! My comments were not removed. The remarks were left there, but then no further comments were accepted, but the previous comments were there for all to see. Do try to tell the truth, but, as I said early, the truth to you is relevant to what you want others to believe. If you mean by the thread being closed that comments were removed – which they were not – then yours were also removed. Do try to get what you call facts right!

  59. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:45pm

    Ok, so to sum up Neville, because I use the term ‘Jesus Christ’ when growing impatient with a demented old racist I must have had a fundamentalist religious upbringing/indoctrination.

    I think that probably sufficiently confirms you are a total space cadet then – thank you!

  60. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 3:48pm

    Neville, you are a sad pathetic racist. There is no point in me continuing to even acknowledge your comments.

    I am grateful I live in a country where people like you are a very small minority.

    I’ve got more respect for things I’ve trod in frankly.

  61. Sister Mary, it’s as unpleasant as ever to catch you in.

    1. The twisted nun does so much improvising (spouting her mouth off) that she clearly does not remember all she has stated on these threads over the years.

    For the record:

    On these threads,

    Sister Mary Clarence has stated she is a male,

    Sister Mary Clarence has stated she is gay,

    Sister Mary Clarence has stated she is black (African),

    Sister Mary Clarence has stated she is a Tory,

    Sister Mary Clarence has stated she is “a practising Christian”

    And Sister Mary Clarence has stated she is a “Data-Analyst”.

    No, Sister, NOTHING is forgotten.

    2. In Comment 52, Sr. Mary Clarence has stated that an entire thread was removed because, SHE CLAIMS, Neville and myself made racist claims.

    I am unaware of this having occurred, so since you have made this claim, Sister Mary Clarence, please post here the URL to the Pink News article to which the thread you have referred to was attached.

    (Readers, please note, Sr. M. Clarence, regularly makes outrageous and exaggerated claims and is thus requested to post her evidence but has always, and hilariously, completely FAILED to do so.)

    3. Several days ago, over on the Nick Herbert thread (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/17/gay-tory-nick-herbert-says-party-has-made-rapid-conversion-on-gay-equality/#), Sister Mary Clarence again exhibited, for all to see, her complete lack of integrity, by spinning a complete fantasy, i.e. an utter lie.

    She spun a complete fiction about her local Tory Xmas party, claiming that each year they are heaving with inebriated gay couples!

    She has promised our gullible member “Squidgy” that any man who appears without someone on his arm at her Tory Xmas parties is automatically assumed to be gay and is therefore instantly matched with another partnerless gay man! This is, of course, another complete figment of the twisted nun’s imagination.

    In your sad sad dreams, Sr. Mary. In your sad sad dreams!

    And we are still waiting for you to supply the name and address of the gay organiser of the wild gay Tory Xmas parties which you have described. You have no reason not to do so because, if the wild picture of an inebriated gay-dominated Tory Xmas party is true, you will significantly increase the membership of your ranks!

    So we all continue to await the supply of Sr. Mary’s organiser’s contact information! Obviously this is a party not to be missed and we all need to get our bookings in!

  62. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 4:23pm

    Same old, same old isn’t it Eddy. Like I’m going to go chasing round dredging up old postings from you. Check with your chum Neville, about the closed comments page. He can recall it it seems.

    Although no one can apparently recall pre 1979 still.

    As for my personal information. Bit creepy you compiling a dossier me don’t think. Well, actually clearly you don’t.

    Again to re-iterate though. I have never said that I am religious in any way shape or form. In fact going back to last August I made the following comments:

    “However, you lose it a bit for me with the word ‘morals’. I follow no God and my view is that religion is a crutch for the weak. I have no great issue with religion and those that need the support it provides any more than I have with a cripple needing a crutch. Should I be standing minding my business one day and said cripple starts to beat me with that crutch, I’ll wrap it round his head, but if crutch is doing the job its supposed to and the cripple is living his (or her) life without directly acting to the detriment of mine, then I fully respect his (or her) right to live as (s)he so pleases, using what supports and aids (s)he needs to do so, and in fact, I wish him (or her) the very best in life.”

    The whole thread can be found here:

    pinknews.co.uk/?comments_popup=13547

    Can’t be bothered to read the entire long thread again, but I think you will hopefully find I don’t come across too Christian in it.

    I’m also highly amused by you imaginings of what doesn’t go on at a Tory association Christmas party. I’m guessing you don’t go to a lot of parties anyway? Yes?

  63. Poor Sister Mary with her selective memory! One wonders if she is on the road to early dementia. So she now calls it a ‘closed comments page’ rather than reiterating that my comments were removed. No comments were actually removed. But I understand that in the early stages of dementia there are fleeting moments of reality, and it seems that she has now glimpsed one of those. I suspect that what led to the non-acceptance of further comments was that the thread had become very long and that it was, by that time, merely a dialogue between the lovely sister and myself. But, I repeat, no comments were removed: the thread was closed to further comments and the comments already there were left for all to see

  64. I’m fed up of the Labour fanboys and fangirls blindly saying how wonderful Labour is and how evil the Tories are. Like all good fanboys and fangirls they twist facts to support their cause. Most people don’t give a damn about Labour this or Conservative that, they see a party and vote accordingly. That’s why we have different governments every few years, not a 1 party communist state.

    Fanboys and fangirls are stupid.

  65. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 4:51pm

    Against my better judgement Eddy I dredged this up:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?comments_popup=15539

    “1. Eddy – as previously stated you might want to go back and read the other thread properly. I NEVER stated I was religious – someone else did.

    ‘Say it enough and it becomes true’, might work for you and your Labour party chums but doesn’t wash with me mate.

    So, consider yourself ‘advised’. Read what is being written and by who and you might make a start at getting a few facts right. However as I have said before why spoil the argument with facts, eh? Its certainly never bothered you before.

    Rather ironic as well don’t you think you defending Simon’s comments on here against allegations of racism? Its been under two weeks since Pinknews took the unusual step of closing a comments page because of the racist comments posted by you and others.

    How long is it going to be before you start ‘amusing’ us all with a bit more racist cr@p?

    RobN – I picked the name of a character from a Whoopi Goldberg film, because my name was being used by someone else. By your logic, I take it you’ll be assuming that the person posting under the name ‘Tom Tom’ is actually a satellite navigation device, and the person posting under the name ‘Yewtree’ is actually a small to medium sized evergreen tree believed to have some cancer curing properties.

    It would be nice if for a change we could have a few discussions on here without people wading in with all this black white rubbish.

    Comment by Sister Mary Clarence — December 24, 2009 @ 4:31″

    Kind of re-iterates the point about making up stuff.

    We could all do it could we and then where would we be?

  66. 1. Sister Mary Clarence, time and again you have lied, exaggerated, and made outrageous claims. Your lack of integrity led you at one point to state that you were a Christian. However, owing to the vehemence of your denial that you are a Christian, we will now remove that attribute from the profile that YOU have BANGED into our heads during your years of postings on these pages.

    So, as things now stand, as of February 27, 2010:

    On this thread,

    Sister Mary Clarence accepts he is a male,

    Sister Mary Clarence accepts he is gay,

    Sister Mary Clarence accepts he is black (African),

    Sister Mary Clarence accepts he is a Tory,

    Sister Mary Clarence accepts is a “Data-Analyst”.

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    Sister Mary Clarence accepts that he lives on a London council estate.

    If Sister Mary Clarence wishes to dispute any more of the above features of which he has previously advised readers, he should do so now.
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    2. Sister Mary Clarence stated earlier this afternoon that a thread was removed. Sister Mary Clarence has subsequently accepted that the thread he referred to has, in fact, not been removed. (The “nun” regularly gets her wimple in a twist!) Sister Mary has failed to provide any evidence to prove his assertion that the thread was closed for further comments for the reason that he has asserted.
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    3. Sister Mary Clarence has accused Neville and myself of racism but has, of course, failed to prove it. We are not.
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    4. Sister Mary Clarence has made wild and exaggerated claims about the gay fiestas which he has claimed occur at his local Tory Christmas parties each year and although invited repeatedly to provide the name and address of his Tory Christmas-party-organiser so that we might all book for the next wild Tory “gay-orgy” in his neck of the woods, he has, of course, failed to do so.

    Apologies to other readers, but this tiresome meddling self-named “nun” has to be dealt with firmly or he gets entirely out of hand.
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    Readers considering voting Tory should consider whether they wish to support individuals who possess the behavioural characteristics that have been demonstrated here by Sister Mary Clarence.

    Any rational person certainly wouldn’t.

  67. boris has given London a taste of Tory govt. he cancelled the cross river tram and the crystal palace extension he also stopped buses running to timetables so now buses run between a 15min window. buses now run in groups of 2&3′s. he set London transport back about a decade. s replacing the useful bendy bus with double deckers that have no room for prams and or wheelchairs. he’s a reactionary who calls £250k chickenfeed. and he got rid
    of the anti racist rise festival which was quite a nice day out. if the Tories get in expect cuts to everything and no investement in public services. does anyone remember what the Tories did to nurses and teachers it was dreadful. labour are not perfect and the liberals are ineffective but the Tories are malicious.

  68. “if the Tories get in expect cuts to everything and no investement in public services”

    Good. They’ve been frittering away billions for far too long now.

  69. as I said labour are not great but they seem to be trying Tories just want to punish the poor and give their mates inheritance tax releif and fox hunting.

  70. Your comments, Eddy, are pertinent, in that they well sum up that pathetic case, Sister Mary Clarence. I hope that others will now see her/him for what she/he is. You are right in that she was much given to assertions, indeed wild, unpleasant assertions about those with whom she did not agree, and assertions which sometimes lacked a basis in truth. She liked to try to shout people down, sometimes with the cry of ‘racism’, the last defence of those unable to rationally defend themselves. Much of her attitude is reminiscent of the policeman, Ali Dizaei, who made a career out of such a claim, that was before riding for a fall! It is sad to see someone who claims to have once been a left-wing supporter, where the appellation ‘sister’ might have had some meaning, become a rabid Tory follower. Some would use old-fashioned language and call her a class traitor, for what she has become is a working-class Tory, something not pleasant to behold. She always had to assume that someone who did not rabidly follow the Tory party, and thus become a supporter of it, was a labour supporter and therefore at the opposite extreme. She is well placed in the company of that buffoon, RobN!

  71. dean,

    as I said the tories are not great but they seem to be trying Labour just want to punish the rich and give their mates the toff’s money.

    Vote Labour and punish the middle class and rich, vote Tory and punish the poor (apparantly, Politics 101).

  72. Sister Mary Clarence is LGBTorys’ worst possible advertisement. As far as I can see he’s pretty typical of the hysterical desperate posturing mess that is LGBTory and the Conservatives in general.

  73. Hysterical desperate posturing messes just about sums up any gay or lesbian who has anything to do with the Conservatives.

    Here’s another example:

    “Nick King, who is likely to be one of several gay MPs, including at least one lesbian, if the swing to the Tories gives the party a majority, embodies the surprising conjuncture of attitudes in the party. The candidate in Mid Dorset and North Poole named his heroes as Lady Thatcher and Harvey Milk — the slain gay rights champion immortalised on film by Sean Penn.”

    “Surprising conjuncture of attitudes”! = minds in a total mess!

  74. cavero. even though it may cost me I’ll take my chances with labour. Ashcroft and goldsmith don’t pay uk tax , cameron and osbourne are millonaries who talk about austerity I just don’t get it.

  75. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 10:32pm

    Eddy:

    “2. Sister Mary Clarence stated earlier this afternoon that a thread was removed. Sister Mary Clarence has subsequently accepted that the thread he referred to has, in fact, not been removed …..”

    No I haven’t at all. Another say-it-enough I guess!!

  76. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 10:38pm

    “3. Sister Mary Clarence has accused Neville and myself of racism but has, of course, failed to prove it. We are not.”

    Didn’t take too long to find these Eddy, clearly its a view shared by others:

    Neville judging by several comments from you on this news site previously, I imagine you would be voting for the Klu Klux Clan.
    I can’t imagine the lib dems welcoming you with the sort of views you have expressed here

    (Report comment to the moderator)

    Comment by Jose – February 24, 2010 @ 22:06

    oh neville i never realised that the Lib Dems where the party of choice for Racist Lack Wits like yourself.

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    Comment by theotherone – February 25, 2010 @ 0:49

  77. Sister Mary clarence 27 Feb 2010, 10:40pm

    “4. Sister Mary Clarence has made wild and exaggerated claims about the gay fiestas which he has claimed occur at his local Tory Christmas parties each year and although invited repeatedly to provide the name and address of his Tory Christmas-party-organiser ….”

    Surely Eddy, unless you’re actually every been to one of these parties, your in no position to actually state what does and doesn’t go on. Passing uninformed opinion off as fact doesn’t actually make it fact I’m afraid

  78. #56, Sister Mary Clarence wrote: “You’re absolutely right, I did play a part in the other thread getting closed in a way” So SMC accepted the thread was simply closed.

    #75, Sister Mary Clarence wrote: “No I haven’t at all [accepted that the thread has not been removed but only closed].”

    Goodness, what a mess this LGBTory makes of “data analysis”!

    He can’t even understand what he himself has thought, said, and written!

    Moral: beware all gay and lesbian Tories! As that quote in post #73 points out they embody a “surprising conjuncture of attitudes”!

    I would modify that to “a surprising and dangerous conjuncture of attitudes”!

  79. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

    Sister Mary Clarence, you have not provided evidence for your extremely offensive claim that “Neville is racist” by managing only to paste in two insults from other posters – one of whom is a hysteric, like yourself, and earlier this week claimed on these threads that under Labour all UK universities have been transformed into sites for the training of Islamic terrorists!

    No, the presentation of evidence, Sister Mary Clarence, requires you to present here a statement, or statements, made by Neville which prove that he believes that one particular race is superior to others and that Neveille, from that point of view, he has actually discriminated or exercised prejudice against those races that you claim he deems inferior.

    :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

  80. Sister Mary is a travesty of what a truly concerned black person would be, and for that reason, and because of her many other absurdities, she has been made the butt of many individuals’ scorn and derision. She is certainly not seen by the many who attack her as being in any way typical or representative of the black race: she is merely an egregious fool. She is supported, or so it seems, by a deranged transsexual who regularly screams abuse and obscenities, and who is never happy unless she can trumpet racism. In some ways they are both to be pitied!

  81. Neville – how dare you tell us what ‘a truly concerned black person should be’ – you are no better than one of your Victorian slave-owning coloniser ancestors. Please keep your imperialist values to yourself and stop telling others who do not happen to share the same opinions or the same skin colour as yourself how to think. It is exactly this New Labour apparatchick (sic) bullying mentality that has driven so many voters away from Labour. We are fed up of being told what and how we ‘should’ be thinking – its patronising in the extreme and a very good reason to vote Conservative or Lib Dem!

    I see from today’s paper’s that Labour has now been infiltrated by the Islamic Front – so beware all you Labourites – your fundamentalist bedfellows are waiting to knife you in the back as you sleep! Another good reason to vote Tory.

  82. Eddy/ Neville: I have waded through your vitriolic diatribe with a quick scroll bar. So far all either you two have managed to do is personally insult and smear both Sister Mary and myself with innuendo, slander and distorted quotations. (Like I only like Pure English people and live with 95% non-whites – I stated I was 7th gen English, and 95% of my local area was non-indigenous.)
    Don’t twist my words, you vituperous little turd.

    Equally you have called the Tories and anyone with even a slight leaning to the right as the spawn of Hitler, yet NOT ONCE, after 80+ comments have either of you said anything to either counterbalance what anyone has said, or entered into a proper debate from your political standpoint.

    So either PUT UP or SHUT UP.

  83. Sister Mary clarence 28 Feb 2010, 2:11am

    Eddy, I stand by my comments that you and Neville are a couple of racist.

    Let us for example look at Neville’s comment on 3rd February 2010:

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?comments_popup=16055

    “Is it true that Sister Mary, I have a nice job, nice, car, nice house, Clarence refers to Iain Duncan Smith as Massa?”

    ‘Massa’ for those not as up on the slave trade as Neville appears to be is the term formerly used for a slave owner. Now, Eddy, Neville might in his head still be living in slave times, but do you really think in this day and age suggesting that (I would assume) because I am black I use slave terminology when addressing people in positions of authority or influence?

    And how about this one … ring any bells:

    “The incredible black/white/male/female Sister Mary Clarence.

    In that case, Eddy, the notion that a black man could masquerade as a white woman in so-called holy orders is distasteful in the extreme. I have always thought of the black nun, Sister Mary, as a particularly vulgar person of very limited intelligence. In fact he/she comes over as being quite deranged. It will not be possible for anyone to take him/her seriously ever again. This, to me, revelation must be posted on every single thread on which she/he has the temerity to appear. No one can take him/her/black/white to be a real person anymore!”

    So to be clear, the revelation that I am black ‘must be posted on every single thread on which she/he has the temerity to appear’

    More than happy to do that if everyone else is being required to post their ethnicity obviously, but of course they are now.

    I haven’t got all night to waste on your Simon, but I think these two help to make the point, although of course there are many others.

  84. Sister Mary clarence 28 Feb 2010, 8:16am

    “More than happy to do that if everyone else is being required to post their ethnicity obviously, but of course they are now.”

    should of course read ….

    “More than happy to do that if everyone else is being required to post their ethnicity obviously, but of course they are not”

  85. Poor Thomas, like the poor theotherone, appears quite demented! What assumptions the poor, little man makes! It is certainly news to someone who has a proud, proletarian ancestry to learn that I come from a family of slave owners and that I share the imperialist values of my gentry/aristocratic family. I wonder if I am the rightful heir to a peerage or, at the very least, a baronetcy, as in the case of George Osborne’s family. But little Thomas is much given to the shibboleths of the extreme black
    racist who delights in hurling such epithets at what he considers to be the exploiters I wonder, little Thomas, if a concerned black person is really any different from a concerned white person. I think not, but there are so many people like you, little Thomas, and the egregious Sister Mary who have such massive chips on their shoulders that it would take more than a sledge hammer to remove them. Poor Sister Mary cannot come to terms with the fact that so many people on these various posts find her a most disagreeable, ignorant and thoroughly unpleasant person. Poor Sister Mary is so dim witted that she cannot see the point in that her kowtowing to such nasty, bigoted people like Iain Duncan Smith with his Roman Catholic Facist tendencies is very like that of an inferior addressing a superior, hence the metaphor. It is certainly members of the Tory hierarchy whose families are most likely to have been slave owners and not members of my family who, more than likely, were expected to raise their caps to mill, factory and mine owners. She is clearly not bright enough to understand satire, and probably does not know what the word means!
    As far as the the absurd RobN is concerned, he appears to share the Fascist characteristics of that thoroughly unpleasant fool, Nigel Farage!

  86. Neville: Again, you whine on in your condescending mock concern for the other posters on here and continue to slag everyone off, but say effective absolutely f_ck all on the subject in hand.

    You ad hominem arguments serve only to make you look an even bigger prat than most people assume you are.

  87. Poor RobN, you do have a very limited vocabulary, so much so that you clearly are semi-literate. Obscenity is the refuge of the uneducated. I do not think that most people will take much notice of someone who is a devotee of Dishcloth Nigel Farage that fascist, common, vulgar member of the European Parliament, a man who, like you, certainly knows how to make a fool of himself. Do go away and sing ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ out of your bathroom window for the delectation of your neighbours.

  88. guys can you take the personal attacks somewhere else please. I want to discuss the topic in the post. thanks in advance.

  89. I agree, Dean, with your point about Ashcroft, Cameron and Osborne. They effectively represent what has sometimes been called the ruling class, and their separation and isolation from ordinary members of the public, not least in their privileged, expensive, private education, makes them unsuitable to understand or represent such people. Now they appear to be supported in their absurd advocacy of marriage by the evil Roman Catholic Church. Labour is quite right in insisting that any loving family, whatever form it might take, is what is necessary for the bringing up of children. The fact that the Roman Catholic Church will support them will give comfort to the vile Iain Duncan Smith with his anti-gay agenda. Duncan Smith is likely to gain a position of influence and power in any future Tory government. The attempt to persuade gay people that the Tory party is no longer homophobic is nothing more than words. If they get into power, there will be pressure from the Roman Catholic church, as a reward for its support, to reverse the legislation on gay adoption and to prevent civil partnerships from being celebrated in church – I write here as an atheist – something which should be denied those who wish it. There would certainly be no further legislation to support gay people and equality, despite what Nick Herbert says. Anne Widdlebum is probably right when she said that Nick Herbert did not speak for the party.

  90. The line about civil partnerships being celebrated in church should read: ‘something which should not be denied those who wish it’. By missing out ‘not’ I have said the opposite of what I intended to say.

  91. Neville, money isn’t what it used to be with the Russians and footballers as rich as some old money types so power is the new money Ashcroft, Cameron , Osborne and goldsmith just want power for a purpose to their lives. today cameron said something about patrotism, which is apparantly he last refuge of a scoundrel.

  92. Neville –

    Gay issues are probably important to all concerned however for most of us they are not the only issue that is important. There are many others. I cannot vote for someone just on gay issues, sure i’m not going to vote for someone like the BNP who would take them away but I really don’t think our rights will vanish under the Tories. They’ve got more important things to do which is going to taken up pretty much a lot of the next 4 years. The economy for a start.

  93. It would be nice to think that no future, possible government would downgrade gay rights, but you probably know that the influential Iain Duncan Smith’s Family Policy Unit has recommended the downgrading of rights for gay parents in that the role of father would be replaced by that of ‘special guardianship’. I have asked Cameron several times to distance himself from such a recommendation, and I have not received a reply. I can only assume, therefore, that such a move would be part of conservative policy. Let us see what a conservative government’s reaction would be to the Roman Catholic Church’s request to block IVF treatment for lesbians and others not in an approved family i.e. marriage. The ideal situation would be for a Liberal Democrat government, but that is not going to happen. Perhaps the best we can hope for is a hung parliament with the LibDems holding the balance of power. Unfortunately, if that leaves Cameron as prime minister, he would call another election shortly afterwards. Patriotism, Dean, and any appeal to it, is a dangerous thing: it can lead to xenophobia and to fools like UKIP wanting us to leave Europe.

  94. Neville: “Patriotism, Dean, and any appeal to it, is a dangerous thing: it can lead to xenophobia and to fools like UKIP wanting us to leave Europe.”

    As I suspected, you see patriotism as a dirty word. I see it as the glue that holds a country together. Had there been love for ones country 60 years ago, you would probably not be here today, or if you were, you would be speaking German.

    It is the backwards socialist attitude of the Labour Government that has sold the rest of us down the river with unregulated immigration and handing over our sovereign rights to a bunch of unelected, faceless bureaucrats in Brussels. If anyone has exacerbated racism, xenophobia and the rise of the likes of the BNP, it is not the Tories. You need to look much closer to home.

  95. RobN, I do not see ‘patriotism’ as a ‘dirty word’, but I do see it as something which can be dangerous, as in the case of Nazi Germany. It is, as always, a question of balance, of the avoiding of extreme positions. It is disturbing that there is incipient hatred for the English among, apparently, a rising number of Scots. This it seems is patriotism. Do we really want to see the break-up of the United Kingdom with a border starting at Berwick and then, later, along Offa’s Dyke? I think not. In relation to the question of Europe, you must see that without European institutions gay people would not have the degree of equality which has been achieved. A Labour Government would not have introduced positive legislation without the prompting of Europe. We will have to rely on the power of the European Court to override the recent caving in of the Government to the pressure from religious groups in the Lords.
    By the way, I withdraw my remarks about literacy and education. Your recent post has persuaded me to do so!

  96. Neville: So what you are essentially saying is we are incapable of running our own affairs, and as soon as we cock it up, someone runs off bleating to Brussels to put it right?

    We have had a Parliamentary system that has worked pretty well for the last 500+ years with no major crashes. There are things that need to be fixed, I agree, but if it ain’t broke, why fix it?

    We are still suffering the landslide victory of Labour all those years ago; It is not so much the fact Labour won the election, but with so many seats it allowed them to do pretty much anything they wanted without being forced to reconcile to the opposition.

    Forgetting party politics for a moment, one party will say “Black”, so the opposition, by default will say “White”. You say “Yes”, I say “No”. That is the typical response between the major parties, and generally, it is a good thing because it puts a brake on railroading bills through Parliament. Above and beyond that we have the Lords, which acts as a further safety net. The fact that there was so little opposition and Blair had already kicked out the majority of hereditary peers in the Lords and replaced them with his own yes-men meant that he could do whatever he pleased, and he did. Hence why this country is in the state it is in today. No single party should have that much power that they cannot be questioned, and if necessary, stopped; but that is a fail-safe that should be built into our own Parliamentary system, without having to resort to what is essentially, foreign powers to dictate our own countries laws and policies.

    A classic example was the fox hunting bill. It had been thrown out numerous times, even after two or three open votes on the subject in the commons, and the Lords rejecting it. I’m not going to go into the details we all know, but this was nothing to do with animal cruelty, and everything to do with class war, and everyone knew it. It became a personal vendetta by Blair to see this unworkable bill go through, come hell or high water, and he finally had to resort to using the Parliament act to ram it home, an act that has not been used in over 500 years. It demonstrates the desperation of the man, and the impotence of the opposition to do anything about it. That sort of situation should NEVER happen again.

  97. Democracy is good, it allows us to vote in people we like and vote out people we don’t.

    There’s no democracy in Europe, we’re told what to do by unelected beaurocrats.

    How is that good for Britain?

  98. If I as an individual want to change something in Britain, I can start a petition, stand for election, change a law, all under democracy.

    In Europe, I’ll have to bribe a bureaucrat or be a crooked politician secretly thrust into power with no democracy involved, then force my changes through.

    That’s communism don’t you know, and that’s Europe.

  99. Rob, you say “Hence why this country is in the state it is in today”. But elsewhere I have watched you implying that this country is so attractive in so many different ways that, in your words, the flood of immigrants keeps coming! I agree with you that this country is not in an appalling state, and that is why it is a magnet for so many. And not only those who wish to better themselves here but those who are loaded. You must have read in your Daily Fail that Tories are having a tough time buying piles in the country or fine houses in Kensington these days because of all the money moving in from abroad!

  100. Rob, at 96 you say “Hence why this country is in the state it is in today”. But elsewhere I have watched you implying that this country is so attractive in so many different ways that, in your words, the flood of immigrants keeps coming! I agree with you that this country is not in an appalling state, and that is why it is a magnet for so many. And not only those who wish to better themselves here but those who are loaded. You must have read in your Daily Fail that Tories are having a tough time buying piles in the country or fine houses in Kensington these days because of all the money moving in from abroad!

    As for fox-hunting, you are wrong to assert it was banned as an act of class war. The only humane way to kill foxes, which can indeed be pests, is to shoot them cleanly through the head by the skilful aim of a rifle. Dozens of human beings and fifty deliberately-starved hounds chasing a fox for miles and miles before the dogs finally tear it to pieces is not humane. It is the work of the blood-thirsty and depraved.

  101. Sorry about the double posting of the first paragraph but the PinkNews software seems to be playing up. After pressing “Say It!” it took me to the article, not the comments. But if you scroll down to the Comments line in that window it then takes you back to Comments!

  102. Steve: I tried to avoid the details of fox hunting specifically because that opens one almighty can of worms that has very strong emotional opinions on both sides. You are talking to someone that was brought up in the country and the hunt, so I’m afraid you are on a hiding to nothing, because I KNOW the facts.

    You state you can shoot foxes, but foxes are nocturnal creatures, and so the only way of hitting them is with night sights (which contrary to Hollywood, are crap). Foxes have phenomenal senses of smell so you cannot get anywhere near them to get a clean shot, and if you do you risk wounding the animal that will then bolt to a hole and take days, if not weeks to die a slow, painful and miserable death. Live trapping is a reasonable alternative, but still pretty hit an miss, but the only viable alternative to using hounds.

    That said, please, lets drop the subject and stay on the subject at hand.

  103. And you’re right, this site is falling to bits.
    It totally dumped when I tried to submit.
    It’s about time they got rid of this sh!tty WordPress and got into the 21st century.

  104. All I am saying, RobN, is that it was Europe which led to increased rights for gay people. Neither of the two main political parties would have allowed such rights. Perhaps all we really need is the jurisdiction of an independent European Court of Human Rights in all reasonable matters of human rights.
    Steve is quite right when it comes to foxhunting which is indeed a barbarous practice. The whole business of class envy is merely a distraction from attempts to outlaw barbarity as a means of entertainment. Such barbarity is akin to bull baiting, dog fighting, badger baiting and cock fighting. We do not legally allow these, nor do we allow bull fighting. None of these activities. along with hare coursing, has a place in a civilised country. However, this is a distraction from the main point of this thread.

  105. Neville the eu ain’t so great. food is dumped in developing countries destroying local businesses. http://www.oxfam.org.uk/resources/policy/trade/downloads/bp31_dumping.pdf. it’s really disgracefull as the eu then sends aid to those countries it destroys. charities do the same with clothes.

  106. You say you lived in the country RobN, well I LIVE in the damn country right now and what’s more I’m a Herefordshire farmer!

    You’ve talked a bunch of crap. I and other local farmers go out every so often, a troop of about a dozen landrovers, in broad daylight, usually a Sunday morning, with guns and a few dogs, and by lunchtime we’ve usually shot a dozen foxes clean!

    Absolutely no need for the chase and all the tally-ho baloney! That’s purely for toffs who are after a thrill.

    Don’t talk through your a-r-s-e. God above, you are one hell of an inventive liar!

  107. Joseph, do you actually think you’re better than “toffs who are after a thrill”?

    You shoot foxes in cold blood for what? Because you don’t want to spend to money properly protecting your stupid livestock?

    You’re just as bad as the hunters, maybe worse because you shoot foxes for profits.

    You’re evil.

  108. dean, the amount of EU profligacy is shocking.

    Neville, Britain has governed itself for 1,000 years with no problems. We don’t need the E bloody U or its Court Of Human Rights.

  109. Broad Spectrum 28 Feb 2010, 8:25pm

    Here’s some interesting data on Cam, the Salesman.

    “. . . two very different (but perhaps not inconsistent) accounts of how the Tory leader reacts when his back is against the wall.

    First, during the Shadow Cabinet meeting at the end of Labour’s conference in 2007, when the party was way behind in the polls and talk of a snap election reached fever pitch, almost all of the frontbench were in panic mode. But not Cameron. I was told recently of how he was the one cool, calm voice, stating to his colleagues that they were behind in the polls but they were going to go out and try their damnedest to turn things round in a vigorous campaign. Those present were impressed by his steel.

    Second, at roughly the same time, Cam confided in a colleague what would happen if he lost the election.

    “Oh, well, at least I have established my own brand, Whatever happens, that won’t change,” he is said to have said.

    The listener got the impression that Cameron was ready to go off to big business, having tried and failed to change his party’s own brand.

    Until recently, this all felt irrelevant. But today it seems worth passing on more than ever.

    UPDATE: There appears to be corroborating evidence for my second point.

    Catherine Mayer, of Time Magazine, has interviewed Tory chief exec (and long-time Cameron friend) Andrew Feldman. He says that Cameron is “not a political obsessive”. “If it all ended tomorrow, he’d pick himself up and start something different”.

    Some in Labour will interpret that as overweening arrogance which proves how little Cameron actually cares about politics. But I suspect Tories will say it speaks of a healthy self-confidence and appreciation of the wider world.

    It does prompt a further question, however. At what point would Cameron think ‘sod it, I’ve done my best, I’m off to do something else’? I know it sounds ludicrous (despite the polls) to even suggest it, but would Cameron walk if Brown won a minority government? And even if he did want to stay on, would his party let him?

    If a poll shows the Tory lead lengthening again, such questions will seem bizarre. Yet they are worth asking…”

    http://waugh.standard.co.uk

  110. Of course, Carvero, you would really rather go back to the time before gay people achieved any rights. It would be interesting to cancel all the advances made for gay people by means of European pressure and to go back to what would have been allowed by the major political parties in this country. You really have no idea what the implications of that would be. It is European pressure which will prevent religious bodies from sacking gay people who do not live in accord with the beliefs of the religious employer. The present government caved into pressure from the churches to do precisely that. It is only European legislation that will stop that from happening, simply because it will override what the government has done to appease religious groups. Of course for ‘a thousand years; gay people had no rights!

  111. Carvero you too are talking through your a-r-s-e.

    We have to cull the foxes you ignorant city-dwelling fool to put the meat on your damned plate!

    You don’t know it of course but some lambs are out already. If you want lamb and mutton on your plate they have to be protected.

    We cull foxes absolutely humanely you stupid cretin.

    Stay in the city. I bet you prefer to buy your meat in nice colourful boxes for the freezer rather than go to a real butchers and face the fact that you eat the meat that we grow for you.

    God above, what a townie cretin you are, unable to see the distinction between toffs baying for blood and us farmers doing a humane cull with a shot to the head and very little distress to the animal.

    But I’ll let you come back with mountains of spewed tosh cause I’ve got to be in bed soon because we’re up out here in the country at the moment all hours because for the lambing – that’s helping the ewes with delivering the lambs. Another job that would probably make you faint I expect.

    Good night prat.

  112. cavero profligacy is too kind. the eu and us seem to want to destroy any developing economy to create dependency and take the “moral” high ground it’s good pr.

    broad spectrum. cameron is a millionare passing time he cares for himself and nothing else

  113. You are right, Joseph, whereas Carvero is lacking in any understanding of the things he says.

  114. Joseph The Cranky Farmer, spare me your inbred farming noise.

    I don’t eat meat for a start.

    I live in the country for second.

    You are an evil oaf for third.

    An inhumane dopey farmer. I see your type every day, chewing blades of grass, chundling along on your tractors at 0.5mph, shooting wildlife to protect your livestock, refusing to spend one penny to raise animals humanely while you raise them in squalor and filth. You’ll happily kill wildlife and poison the land to make a fast buck.

    Your kind disgust me. Humanity doesn’t enter your vocabulary, don’t pretend you’re better than the hunters, you’re not. Hunters kill for fun, you kill for profit, you’re as sick and twisted as them.

    If you truly cared about the welfare of animals, not just the welfare of your lambs and piglets you sell for profit, you wouldn’t murder innocent predators. A “humane cull” or not you’re still murdering innocent wildlife like a c*nt.

    I hate you farmer idiots. You whine and moan all day but do nothing to help yourselves. You kill wildlife to save a few pounds. Like when you dirtbags tried to “humanely cull” every badger in the land because you blamed it for giving TB to cows. Instead of treating cows with inexpensive antibiotics that would eradicate the TB, you wanted to kill every wild badger in Britain.

    Bullets are cheaper than pills right?

    Even when all the scientific evidence proved beyond doubt that cows spread TB between themselves and badgers don’t spread TB, the Cranky Farmers still wanted to shoot all badgers on sight.

    Just like the foxes right? Shoot the foxes, shoot the badgers, and more wildlife you want to eradicate so you can make a few pounds? You’re sick.

    And Neville go suck a lemon or actually bring some facts instead of calling me names like your Cranky Farmer friend.

    Did the Idiot Bus just arrive?

    RobN I feel sorry for you, there’s a bus load of idiots with loud voices here for sure.

  115. Neville, well done. I’ve been through all the above and you haven’t put a foot wrong. I’ve been out all day today but you are clearly more than sufficiently sorted out so as not to need the assistance of me or any other.

    I will say one thing though before going downstairs to watch a couple of things on TV tonight: you have every right to say what you believe a person who is black and concerned about black-related issues OUGHT to be saying and doing, just as black people have every right to say what they believe white people OUGHT to be saying and doing about issues that concern them. I suppose this relates to that other thread that’s going at the moment, the rather weak “satire” by the black Guardian journalist/contributor, who talks rather ineffectually of the value of “the race card”, “the sexuality card”, with certain groupings ever seeking to trump others.

  116. Eddy says: “Neville, well done. I’ve been through all the above and you haven’t put a foot wrong.”

    Yes he has, his baseless accusations hurled at me! Neville says “Carvero is lacking in any understanding of the things he says.”

    Out of nowhere! What a crank!

  117. Sister Mary clarence 1 Mar 2010, 2:51am

    “Neville, well done. I’ve been through all the above and you haven’t put a foot wrong.”

    As requested earlier I was happy to let everything calm down, as it seems where others, but good old Eddie the racist has to have another dig.

    You state you have been though everything etc., so you’ll be familiar with your ‘request’ at comment number 79 (obviously you will because you’ve stated you been through everything).

    Logically therefore you will have also read over my reply to your ‘request’ at comment number 83.

    And yet, you haven’t come back with any comment.

    Why is that Eddy?

    Do you not consider them racist, although to be fair its whether I do or not that it the issue really, and I do.

    Neville’s weak excuse of ‘satire’ is ironically the only funny thing he has said. They were intended to be insulting, and there were, as were the terms ‘Uncle Tom’ and ‘Black Mary’ each and every time he used them.

    You purportedly used to be a teacher. How would you deal with a situation like this where you taught? Would you just ignore it, like you appear to be doing now?

    To me your comment ‘…. you haven’t put a foot wrong.’ actually suggests that you are condoning his use of racially derogatory phraseology.

    Is that the case?

    You strike me as someone that seeks clarity. Could you be clear about this? Are you condoning Neville’s racism, or do you support discrimination if it helps to win an argument?

  118. The fact that English is apparently not Carvero’s native language – at the very least he has a poor command of it – perhaps excuses his inability to express himself in a logical, civilised manner. Those who rant and rave cannot be taken seriously. Vulgar abuse does suggest a seriously limited mind. I am also beginning to think that he is seriously disturbed! He clearly needs to learn that, while there may be some force in his arguments, he needs to avoid paranoid rants, otherwise people will merely take him for someone who clearly cannot control himself. Unfortunately, he is descending to the vulgarity of the absurd Sister Mary Clarence.

  119. Poor Sister Mary’s obsession with her race is again trying to take over this thread which is not about racism. Pull yourself together, dear, and do go back to your usual silly rants about how good the Tory’s have been, and will be, to gay people.

  120. Oh, dear, as apostrophe has wrongly appeared in my previous post. Perhaps it suggests that the Tories possess something when, in fact, they possess nothing of value!

  121. I knew mentioning fox hunting was a bad idea! Whatever the bill was about is not important. Nevertheless, I stand by my point that this was an obsession of Blair’s, and the way the bill was implemented was nothing short of corrupt. It is this kind of politics that we need to have changed so we can have a more balanced voting system within Parliament and every voice can be heard, however small.

    http://www.voteforachange.co.uk

  122. Sister Mary will no doubt be delighted to hear that her god ‘Call me Dave’ has given into the pressure from the Roman Catholic Church, and from Iain Duncan Smith, to support marriage. How else will the Whore of Babylon be rewarded for instructing its followers to vote for the seedy salesman? When will it demand further downgrading of rights for gay people, and when will the Tories give in to those demands? The seedy salesman’s capitulation to the influence of Rome will now denigrate any other kind of family, whether gay, single parent, or divorced. So much for equality, but the influence of Rome has always been evil, as is the influence of that obnoxious, little man Duncan Smith. However, the incredibly foolish Sister Mary will be sending novenas to Lourdes to thank Dave for his condescension to those who are married.

  123. voices need to be listened to as well though RobN

  124. I heard about that too Neville and thought it made a lie of the tories claims to be non-homophobic

  125. David Myers 1 Mar 2010, 12:30pm

    Just because the Tories have some gay members doesn’t make them ok. The log cabin Republicans in the US still oppose universal health care and are totally supportive of their traditional anti-democratic, pro-big-business, pro-guns, anti-choice, and yes anti-gay agenda. Don’t be fooled by the Tory come latelies. A pig by any other name still stinks. If your are gay or lesbian you should not be taken in by the Tory hypocrits who still brag on Margarate Thatcher.

  126. Sister Mary clarence 1 Mar 2010, 12:52pm

    Ok, so lets all imagine this is a BBC News comments page and anyone here posts on it.

    Some homophobe doesn’t like what you’re posted and gets wind of the fact that you’re gay.

    The homophobe then insists that you must identify yourself as gay every time you post on the website (just so everyone knows).

    The homophobe aggressively insists that you can’t do any of a number of things because you are gay.

    The homophobe routinely refers to you as ‘Gay ’ and a series of other derogatory phrases to indicate that you are a traitor to your sexual orientation.

    The homophobe uses a series of pejorative and extremely insulting phrases to make it clear he considers you inferior to himself and all other people on the site because you are gay.

    A (very) few other posters pick up on this and speak out about it, whereas most choose to completely ignore it, and a few others wade in to support the homophobe because his views on the initial subject being discussed are the same as theirs.

    ….. and why would I be getting annoyed?

  127. Poor Sister Mary is becoming quite paranoid and is becoming a suitable case for treatment. Do go back, dear, to your foolish posts supporting the epitome of gay equality, that paragon, ‘Call me Dave’, and then everyone can have a good laugh at your sophistry, your labyrinthine twists, in defending the indefensible. Have you yet congratulated Dave on his
    denigration of any family other than that supported by his mentors Iain Duncan Smith and the Roman Catholic Church?

  128. Sister Mary clarence 1 Mar 2010, 1:16pm

    You’re a racist Nevile without any concept of the notion of equality.

  129. Dear Sister Mary, as Henry 11 said about Becket: ‘Can no one rid me of this turbulent priest!’
    People on this thread really want to get on with discussing what is pertinent rather than having to endure someone who is impertinent!

  130. Sister Mary Clarence: “Ok, so lets all imagine this is a BBC News comments page and anyone here posts on it. – The homophobe uses a series of pejorative and extremely insulting phrases to make it clear he considers you inferior to himself and all other people on the site because you are gay.”

    Sorry Sister, but you haven’t got a prayer, (pun intended.)
    If you have ever used the BBC ‘Have Your Say’ site you will know how censorial and up their own arses the moderators are, and they won’t let anything through that is the slightest bit contentious, and often just ignore posts that they feel don’t lean with the BBC’s ‘world view’.

    I am not a huge fan of the way this site is run, but at least they give you free rein to say what you think, and for that, I thank them.

  131. Sister Mary clarence 1 Mar 2010, 2:08pm

    Still a racist Neville

  132. Oh, dear, dear, me! What hysterics there have been since I last logged in! Some people have been going right over the top! I think tranquillisers might have been in order!

    We appear to have one member who denies the reality of the food-chain and appears to live in a Disneyesque Bambi-land where all the creatures blink adoringly and love each other and no creature ever so much as takes a nip out of another creature’s flesh. Presumably nightly nature documentaries are banned from viewing and while apparently living in the middle of the meat-producing industry, i.e., the British countryside, the blindfold is on!

    And then we have from another quarter the assumption that acknowledgement of the existence of different racial groups within our society constitutes in itself an attitude of “racism” – when, in fact, “racism” refers to the appalling belief that one race is superior to all others and that those others may justifiably be treated as inferior.

    When a member of any race denies the true definition of “racism”, as stated above, they are clearly playing “the race card”, i.e. appealing for special treatment and consideration. They are literally seeking to dictate that certain things may NOT be discussed and that if they are then they will screech “Racist!”. They may do so if they wish, but their behaviour is transparent to the rest of us. They are manipulative fools. We know what “racism” is.

    “Sister Mary Clarence”, regarding the metaphor you have sought to post at #126, please try to understand that ALL of the personal characteristics of yours that YOU HAVE SHARED WITH US have been referred to only because at times you pose a very odd and perplexing picture.

    I know a good many true Conservatives. As you are fully aware, I detest them for the values and beliefs that I know they hold. You have still to convince me that a gay man, a lesbian, a bisexual, or a transgender person should have anything to do with the Conservatives. And, FURTHERMORE, you have still to convince me that LGBTs who are NOT of white/Caucasian origin should have anything to do with the Conservatives. To a great many of us anyone who is gay AND black would be doubly a fool to allign themselves with the re-branded Conservatives.

    All that Conservatives have done in their effort to assert that LGBTs, whether white or not, SHOULD support the Tories is continually repeat “But we have changed!”

    Cameron, the Conservative PR man, has tried hard to re-brand his party but the product remains the same – despite briefings to Conservative members that they should use every opportunity to say that they are now all for us.

    As Simon so well said at the top of this thread:

    We want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will demand marriage equality.

    We want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will campaign to remove the religious exemption from equality legislation.

    We want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will oppose catholic extremist Iain Duncan Smith’s efforts to reduce the parental rights of non-biological gay parents.

    We want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates who will be campaigning for the dissolution of the alliance between the Tories and the extreme right, homophobic Law and Justice Party in Poland.

    And we want to know the names of the 100 Tory candidates referred to by the Polls so that their so-called “commitment to equality” can be monitored.

  133. Sister Mary clarence 1 Mar 2010, 3:12pm

    Eddy, the fact that you have done everything but answer the question I put to you, I think actually answers it.

    Your a racist too, so its pretty rich you criticising other in relation to equality issues.

  134. Is he a lost cause? Does he really believe that by chanting a name long enough at someone who simply challenges his statements, his imaginings will become realities?

  135. Sister Mary clarence 1 Mar 2010, 5:43pm

    oohh, I think you picked up that line from someone else.

    Racist!!

  136. When Sister Mary is carted off by men in white coats will she be still screaming ‘Racist!’? The poor dear is clearly developing a serious mental disorder: obsessive racist mania which is akin to religious mania. Both disorders are now treatable and I do not think electric-shock therapy is now used.
    I was virulently attacked the other day by a disturbed black racist who accused be of having slave-owning and imperialistic ancestors. This was indeed news to me. For a moment I saw myself as Sir Thomas Bertram who lived at Mansfield Park, then I realised that, like Sister Mary, I had aspirations above my station. However, I do not take the rantings of the mentally disturbed seriously. It is best to ignore them.

  137. Sister Mary clarence 1 Mar 2010, 8:14pm

    Yep Neville I’ll be screaming it at you – because you’re a racist little low life.

  138. Poor Mad Mary is still screaming, but she is still not prepared to answer points made about her hero’s, ‘Call Me Dave’, denigrating, and therefore classifying as second class, any family which does not satisfy his supporters the Roman Catholic Church. Is Mad Mary happy with that?

  139. Neville, your absurd rant at me because I missed an apostrophe is total craziness.

    Grammarnazis don’t win arguments because they point out a mistyped key.

    You are full of fail. Neville, I dare you to copypaste my “poor command” of English or my “inability to express himself in a logical, civilised manner”, my “Vulgar abuse”, or my “paranoid rants”.

    You’re a lunatic and according to others a racist lunatic. Hurling unwarramnted abuse at others is the hallmark of mental instability though, and cause you cast the first stone, you must accept all the equal abuse you get back.

    People in glass houses etc.

  140. Poor Carvero clearly does not have comprehension of English as one of his strong points! If you try to read again what I said, you will see that I said that I had misplaced an apostrophe in my previous post, not you. I do not understand how anyone could misread that, but you clearly did.

  141. Neville, you twist words and sentences to try to make others appear wrong.

    I’ll have you know I speak perfect RP and have the benefit of a first class private education. My English is infinitely superior to the majority of the population, and in all probability yours too.

    Please F off with your lies, misdirection, fraud and trickery.

  142. In other news, Neville ignores all accusations, questions and fact whilst misdirecting others with half-truths, lies and rants.

  143. Hmmmm. After careful reading of a rather too much of the above my tuppence-worth is this. “Mad Mary” sounds just about right.

  144. Carvero, you really do take the biscuit! You directed poisonous, totally-uncalled for and ill-informed abuse at Joseph yesterday, I was merely responding to that!
    Oh, dear, Madam does want to boast! If your command of English is so good, do tell me what the objective complement of a verb of incomplete predication is. If you can tell me that, I might believe you!

  145. While you are trying to prove your superiority in the command of English, you might tell us all the following: In what circumstances would you use a gerund rather than a present participle?

  146. It is shamefully that so many people here are prepared to ignore the racism and bullying of Neville and Eddy

    I don’t know which is the more disgusting, the two racist idiots or all the rest who stay silent

  147. Poor, little Don Jose, he still cannot find Escammillo

  148. Jose have you heard of chinese whispers? I haven’t seen your name on these threads before – pardon me if I’ve missed you. But the truth is that the guy who calls himself Clarence and screams Racism! Racism! has not yet once put forward any evidence. i reckon he’s just a troll.

  149. I wonder if Hoity, Toity Madam Carvero noticed my deliberate mistake in Post 144. If so, she can no doubt tell us all what it was. As she has such a superb command of English: ‘I’ll have you know I speak perfect RP and have the benefit of a first class private education. My English is infinitely superior to the majority of the population, and in all probability yours too’; ‘Of that there is no manner of doubt – / No probable, possible shadow of doubt – / No possible doubt whatever’. Modesty is not madam’s finest virtue!

  150. Neville, you are far beneath contempt. You’re just like Joseph The Cranky Farmer. He probably plies a scrap of land I’m in trust with in Herefordshire, amongst the many hectares of fine real estate nestled away in far nicer parts of this profitable country.

    Persons such as you are the reason I don’t socialise with the “plebs”.

    It’s far more realising to watch you toil away and wind you up. Visiting the Row last month, I happened upon one of your kind, burbling into his hand as though it was his long lost sister, although it may have been a device of mobile telephony.

    Anysuchway, this miscreant, being of pauper status, appeared extremely suspect trapsing along the gentlemanly thoroughfare of our fine city.

    My fellow chaps were startled. One chappie alerted the constabulary, another shouted for assistance. I merely whistled for a cab. When it came near, the license plate said ‘fresh’ and it had dice in the mirror.

    If anything, I could say that this cab was rare but I thought, “naw forget it” and proceeded to instruct the driver to return to to my mansionhouse, affectionately nicknamed Bel Air.

    I named it that to keep out the rifraff.

    Plebs.

  151. Sister Mary clarence 2 Mar 2010, 2:05am

    Jason, you donkey, you didn’t read comment #83, or are you just a halfwit?

    I don’t know what sort of turkey you are if you think agree that I or any other black person should have to identify themselves on here as such when we post a comment, I presume so that all the whites can be on guard against I don’t know what. Perhaps he thinks I might mug you or rape your sister.

    Racism is supposedly borne out of ignorance, and then there’s tossers like you who are no better.

  152. Sister Mary clarence 2 Mar 2010, 2:07am

    And Neville you still remain a racist pile of s h i t.

  153. I think that we all now know that from Hoity Toity Madam Carvero’s chinless mouth comes perfect R.P. – regurgitated piss. This is the result of her fondness for golden showers and Madam’s inability to keep her mouth shut when she groans in ecstasy.
    Poor madam is not what she pretends to be. The use of ‘twenties slang expressions is passe. She has been far too much influenced by Plum!
    One wonders if her ‘first class private education’ was a waste of money. It certainly has not prevented solecisms in her use of language. She does not even know the difference between a verb and a noun form of a word.
    I think that her education was not so much Clarendon as ‘Decline and Fall’.

  154. Poor Mad Mary is still screaming!

  155. It is interesting that Hoity Toity Madam Gavero saw someone in Rotten Row in a trap – ‘trapsing along’. I find it difficult to imagine a gentleman on the Row in a trap. Surely that would be for the dairy maid, or possibly the governess, on one’s country estate! When one of the lower classes like Hoity Toity Madam Gavero has aspirations beyond her rather humble station, she should really try to find out more about the niceties of the required behaviour. Madam has signally failed to do this. She would certainly give herself away!

  156. Sister Mary clarence 2 Mar 2010, 2:08pm

    Still screaming that you’re racist filth Neville

  157. I think that the site administrators should be asked to remove Mad Mary Clarence as the poor thing is clearly deranged, in that she screams the same things over and over again.

  158. Sister Mary clarence 2 Mar 2010, 3:13pm

    I think they should be asked to remove your racist comments and you should be prevented from posting until you provide assurances that you drop the racism.

    But doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, so every time you post I’m going to identify you as a racist.

    I’m sure people might find it a bit irritating and tiring, but hey, its nothing to how irritating and tiring I find your repeated racism.

  159. Neville takes a typo – “trapsing” instead of “traipsing” and adorns me with extreme hatred.

    This racist squirt is a fool.

    Grammarnazis should go the way of Joseph The Cranky Farmer and that chump I saw TRAIPSING along, Neville the pathetic rat.

  160. Neville The Racist Rat

  161. I wonder if Hoity Toity Madam Carvero is still enjoying her golden showers and the the perfect R.P is still coming from her mouth.

  162. Poor Hoity Toity Madam Carvero, the doyen of the lower classes, with her limited level of education, and her inability to get it right when she tries to associate herself with those above her inferior social station. Trollope would have had great fun with her

  163. Sister Mary clarence 2 Mar 2010, 5:53pm

    Apparently you seem to look down on quite a lot of people on here Neville, but in reality you’re a degenerate old racist who has got no right to look down on anyone.

  164. Poor Mad Mary is so limited in intelligence that she understands very little. If she cannot see that this is the attitude of Hoity Toity Madam Carvero, then she can see nothing.

  165. Cripes, what a session you girls are having! Neville stabbing at Carvero like a vicious old witch with a poker. Carvero arranging all her finery and frantically trying to put on all the class she can. And Sister Mary Clarence dribbling saliva in the corner and just muttering “Racist! Racist! Racist!” over and over again.

    Come on Lady Neville time for you to pull that poke out of the fire and have another go at Hoity Toity Madam! Hoity Toity Madam will scream and screech with all her finest vowels and Sister Mary Clarence will start oozing snot!

  166. Oh,I like that, Jason! You are awful! I must say that I am not usually referred to as Lady, but my friends sometimes refer to me as Lord T….. (surname)

  167. Gentleman, you have been trolled by the finest.

    I thank you.

    Incidentally, Neville, racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, deluded-with-grandeur nuts like you are the best at trollability.

    Neville The Racist Rat: Bel Aired, trolled and humiliated, and he (or “she” as Neville refers to those he dislikes) still doesn’t get it!

  168. Oh, Hoity Toity Madam Carvero of the golden showers! Surely a troll is something in Norwegian mythology and can be found in Pyeer Gynt, but I don’t expect the semi-educated Madam of poor English to know that. What is quite amusing is the inability of those, such as Hoity Toity Madam, to ape her betters, that is to try to rise above her humble social station. Madam should try to accept herself for what she is, and that is not very much. Perhaps, some day, she can rise up the social scale if she really puts an effort into the attempt. I am a great believer in social mobility, even for some one like Hoity Toity Madam with her predilection for golden showers. But always remember, Hoity Toity Madam, that bad language and foul abuse is not going to help you to rise socially. I suggest a course in etiquette and a sounder, more profound education with particular attention given to the mastery of good English. If you persist in these areas you might achieve something, and, what is more, you could become quite civilised.

  169. Golden showers?

    Condescension suits you well Neville, as does your total lack of awareness! Did you know the second sign of insanity is a deep loathing of imaginary people?

  170. It has been said before but you are racist scum. You witter incoherently on about equality a yet you do your level best to deny equality to others. You’re from a generation that perhaps hasn’t grown up with equality in the same way younger people have, but it is no excuse. You are a disgrace. You are a bitter old disgrace

  171. Neville simply makes things up and proceeds to mock people for his imaginings!

    Funny stuff!

  172. I must say that I have had immense enjoyment over the last few days in making fun of Carvero who, despite all his pretensions, is really just a chav. Unfortunately, I do not think that he understood a great deal of what I was saying or of what I was doing.
    Many of the attitudes taken there were posed as, I am sure, were his. But all good things must come to an end, so fare well, Cavalier! And as far as Sister Mary Clarence goes – well, what can one say?

  173. And for Don Jose, I do hope that he finds his Escammillo!

  174. Neville you cannot save face and even when you are attempting to salvage some decency you mock others with vitriolic utterings of “chav” and “I do not think that he understood a great deal of what I was saying”. LOL!!!

    Such a loser.

  175. In fact, Neville, for someone who is so superior to everyone else, you hate “chavs”, women, blacks and gays a hell of a lot.

    Not to mention “golden showers”.

    You’re so far in the closet you have to hate everyone else to cover up your feelings of self-hatred.

    How sad.

  176. Neville you are without doubt racist trash. Bottom feeding low life racist trash

  177. Sister Mary clarence 2 Mar 2010, 11:25pm

    Re your comment some time ago Carvero about the idiot bus just arriving.

    It did, and this racist idiot Neville crawled off it

  178. what I don’t get is that Clarence and Carvero have not provided evidence of racism from Neville but instead they just keep repeating that he IS a racist — like they are some kind of sick creatures who need to believe there are awful racists all around them — whether there are or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I better get out of here quick cause they’ll be along in a minute to start chanting it again most probably!!!!!!!!!!!!

    put the evidence on the table or SHUT UP P L E A S E

  179. Really fed up with the Sister Mary Clarence / Eddy / Neville hate triangle. Flamers like you give reactively-moderated Internet forums a bad name.

  180. Reading the postings towards the end of this thread I’m surprised threads aren’t closed sooner. This one has turned into a train wreck!

  181. Sister Mary clarence 3 Mar 2010, 1:50am

    Apologies boys if you’ve come in at the end of a long argument, but I don’t think I should be required to state my ethnicity whenever I post as Eddy and Neville have both agreed that they feel I should and I also object to the suggestion that I should use slave terminology when speaking to certain white people.

    The use of the term ‘Uncle Tom’ is also widely considered to be a racial slur.

    It would probably be better if the site actually had a policy on racism, although to be fair it has I suppose. The policy being that its absolutely fine.

    I apologise if my being the subject of racism has affected your enjoyment of the site. It has actually affected my enjoyment as well funnily enough.

    The trouble is even when this little spat has finished, the next time I post something that the two racists disagree with it will kick off all over again.

    Maybe I should try to find another gay news site that is less tolerant of racism to post on. That might the best solution … for you both at least.

  182. I am shocked at dreadful language and attacks on Neville by Carvero, Mary and Jose – are worst type of bullies. Must be violent by nature and would attack those in street not agreeing with the. Dangerous types

  183. Disgraceful attacks with frequent cries of racism from stupid people. They are threatening and nasty and without evidence. Mary Clarence, Carvero and Jose should be aashmed

  184. Sister Mary clarence 3 Mar 2010, 10:29pm

    And I am equally shocked by stupid comments posted in support of racist scum like Neville

  185. Sister Mary evil woman.

  186. it is not racist to use the term Uncle Tom
    it is not racist to say that a person is black

    it IS racist to tell a black person they should look up to all white people
    it IS racist to say that a person is substandard because they are black

    so there

  187. Jase is quite right. Sister Mary is just a silly, obsessive girl who should just have her bottom smacked.

  188. Kick Mary’s big, black bottom and try to knock some sense into it, for she has very little. She cannoot take criticism.

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