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Police arrest gay BBC presenter after mercy killing confession

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  1. At last but I bet justice won’t be done.

  2. If he was straight, he’d be given bail!

  3. the.kitty.channel 17 Feb 2010, 12:24pm

    I think he was rather incautious. This kind of secret is one that you absolutely have to take to the grave. To half-disclose it now is, in my opinion, naive. Perhaps he thought he would be able to float on a raft of recent events where people have escaped prosecution, or been vindicated.

  4. Mr Gosling has not revealed the name of the man or when the mercy killing took place. He said yesterday he would refuse to divulge any more information about the man “even under torture”, as he said this was part of a pact they made.

    How very convenient, it all works in his favour then. If he has nothing to hide why be so secretive. Guess it’s easy to ‘make pacts’ when the other person is sadly no longer around. Just another case of a nasty vile man talking the law into his own hands.

  5. The Police and the CPS are covering their backs. Watch this space: there is no basis for a prosecution here in any system based on the presumption of innocence. No conviction could be delivered, let alone sustained, on non-information like this.

  6. ChutneyBear 17 Feb 2010, 1:18pm

    Riondo is right, all information is so far circumstantial, a criminal case needs to prove he is guilty beyond all doubt. If there is doubt he cant be convicted.

  7. This guy is odd – he must be dying or something to admit this, and he certainly seems to have implicated the doctor who “turned a blind eye”.

    if he did this he is guilty in the eyes of the law, there was a case called Gray in the 1960s about a father who killed his terminally ill son which is probably the authority of this.

    I wonder if the police and courts go easy on him because he is from the media, following the lead they take for the Moss’, Winehouse’s and Docherty’s of this world?

  8. the.kitty.channel 17 Feb 2010, 1:29pm

    So far as I know the prosecution in a criminal case has to prove its case “beyond *reasonable* doubt” , not “beyond *all* doubt”. I am inclined to agree that there is no basis for a prosecution here. No corpus delicti. No physical evidence.

  9. Sarah Bexford-Scott 17 Feb 2010, 1:40pm

    In 2002 another journalist called Mark Sanderson confessed to a similar smothering of his lover with AIDS in 1992.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2027067.stm

    He published the confession in his memoir, Wrong Rooms, and it got coverage in the nationals. Yet he was never prosecuted to my knolwedge. Seems odd then that Ray has been arrested for the same thing.

  10. Sarah Bexford-Scott 17 Feb 2010, 1:42pm

    Verification – it wasn’t AIDS, it was cancer. But the stories are otherwise remarkably similar.

  11. If Mark Sanderson was never prosecuted, neither should Ray!
    A rule for one person, and a different rule for another is NOT democracy.

  12. Omar Kuddus 17 Feb 2010, 2:29pm

    Love is a wonderfull thing and worth fighting for, even if somtimes ourctions may be “wrong”.
    We all deserve to be treated as Equal in the year 2010 despite what the laws are, somtimes emotions and compassion needs to be taken into consideration as the Baroness said yesterdy in the news .
    The generation that finds it “acceptable” to be treated as a “criminal” for being gay, i am definite would not feel the same or not act unsympathetically if they were persecuted today for their sexuality or for the mere fact that they were from the LGBT community.
    One forgets that love makes us blind and I can not even begin can one imagine how it would feal to beput insuch a position.
    And doubt that themajority of the LGBT/Straight community out there wouldnot either.For this issue has nothing to do with sexulity but compasion and love.
    The police and CPS are playing it safe as per usual and keeping their apparences..

  13. Brian Burton 17 Feb 2010, 3:02pm

    Fancy confessing on TV of all places and now he’s bound to confess to the Police. He will just have to throw himself on the Mercy of the Court.

  14. mbosaramba 17 Feb 2010, 3:07pm

    The arrest was logical consequence after public confession of the murderer. Soon will be the trail and then – the imprisonment of murderer.

  15. 99% of people will walk on by when they see someone in trouble on the street. Psychologists have found that most people pass on for a number of reasons and that FEAR of consequences is one of them.

    The other night I watched the excellent Spanish film “El Bola”. It’s about child abuse. A father kicks the hell out of his innocent normal child and almost kills him. The child flees to a playmate’s house. Later that night at the playmate’s house is his playmate’s mother, someone who appears to be her lesbian friend, and his playmate’s father – a gay man. There is heated debate as to whether at 2am in the morning the child should be returned to his abusive father. The mother’s friend is full of dire and seeming reasonable warnings of the legal consequences of not returning the child, of how the law must be considered and absolutely obeyed, of how the abusive father may bring a charge, and of how the abused child may be cajoled into changing his story so as to blame his injuries on the gay man who will have offered him a safe haven for the night.

    The gay man listens to all of this and deals with it but in the end he sees that to play “legally safe” is not an acceptable option: the child must be absolutely protected, regardless of the consequences for those who seek to protect him.

    If the unthinkable were to occur later this year and homosexual behaviour were to be made illegal in this country, would we say, “I don’t agree, but it’s the law, so I will abide by it”?

    Based upon some of the comments in these threads it is reasonable to assume that many would abide by it. But I am damn sure that some brave individuals would not abide by it and would be openly seen not to abide by it, regardless of fearful considerations and warnings of dire consequences!

  16. P*ss off, mbosaramba, you’re just a pathetic troll.

  17. Mbosaramba 17 Feb 2010, 3:15pm

    I am impressed by total ignorance of gays on this site in relation to criminal investigations and factual jurisprudence. Such gays acting as childish persons. I am sure most of gays like that – pure ignoramuses of any system of jurisprudence.

  18. BrazilBoysBlog 17 Feb 2010, 3:16pm

    My god, what a pack of wolves! Has everyone forgotten that we are dealing with a man who loved his partner so much, he did not want to see him suffer… at a time when the (only) outcome for AIDS was a long and lingering death.

    I agree that if he refuses to reveal anymore under questioning, and his partner (presumably) was certified as dying from ´aids related illness´ at the time by his doctor, then the Police will have no case.

    As it should be!

    And to all the vultures… I can only say that I hope you never find yourself having to watch a loved-one suffer a long and lingering death.

  19. But we only have his word for it. Perhaps he did not want to be burdened with caring for the man any more..
    We just do not know, and the link to the doctor somehow just does not seem credible.
    What about all the brave poeple who have died of AIDS. Are we sugesting that they should all have been ‘mercifully’ killed?

    It does not seem right, and I do not think being Gay has anything
    to do with this. This is about mercy killing, and if indeed, the person killed indeed asked to be killed, or it was the living carer asking to be freed….

  20. Niki, which is exactly why we need to legalise and regulate it

  21. Mbosaramba 17 Feb 2010, 5:01pm

    I am applauding the Nottinghamshire police for their prompt and highly professional work to apprehend and arrest Mr. Ray Gosling on the charge of murder! That’s great job, undoubtly!!!

  22. Well, his arrest was inevitable, the Police have a public duty to perform. They have done that and it is up to the Crown to decide whether they want to prosecute or not.

  23. Simon Murphy 17 Feb 2010, 5:40pm

    He placed a pillow over the guy’s face and pressed until he had stopped breathing.

    We have only his word that there had been an agreement between them.

    I am perfectly in favour of assisted suicide when the person who wants to die records and details their willingness to die.

    Suffocating someone with a pillow does not prove any sort of consent and the police are perfectly correct to arrest this Gosling. His actions were not assisted suicide as the victim did not kill himself (which is what suicide is).

    We have no proof that it was a mercy killing – we merely have Gosling’s word on that.

    By the way this Mbosaramba character is the new pseudonym of annoying troll Monkeychops. Do not respond to it. It is simply looking for attention

  24. Mbosaramba 17 Feb 2010, 5:51pm

    By the way, I have no idea who is “Monkeychops”.

    Mr. Simon Murphy, you are currently IS the slanderer, because you have no fact to prove that I am “Monkeychops”.

    What a shameful creature you ARE!!!

  25. darkmoonman 17 Feb 2010, 6:26pm

    I hope Mr. Gosling isn’t expecting the Gay community to do the right thing and publicly proclaim support of death with dignity. Mercy killing has been happening since the beginning of mankind, it’s just that today, people absolve themselves by not talking about it.

  26. darkmoonman: The ‘gay community’ is a myth in my opinion anyway, so that is a red herring for starters. That said, I don’t even see this as a gay issue. It is human issue, whether the person is your gay lover, your wife, your Mother or your friend, the principle is the same throughout, and this debate needs serious appraisal.

  27. Mr. Mbosaramba 17 Feb 2010, 10:52pm

    Mr. RobN,

    The murder of a human being for the reason of terminaiton of suffering is not the human issue. Euthanasia is not compassion – it is forceful terminaiton of compassion together with life of a human being. No loving person will commit murder of his or her beloved one, only idiots will.

    Mr. Ray Gosling was such idiot, unfortunately.

  28. Well done Ray Gosling who seems more like good bloke the more I read, here and elsewhere. And it’s a pity the police held a man who lives in sheltered accommodation for nine hours, which seems a bit excessive, just to establish that i. he did it, and ii. he’s otherwise not talking.

    Shame too that this thread is so troll-filled.

  29. BrazilBoysBlog 18 Feb 2010, 2:47am

    @ Mbosaramba.

    First you pronounce the fashion designer ´a crazy man´ for committing suicide, and now Ray Gosling is ´an idiot´. Bit quick with your simplistic judgments arent you?

    “Mr. Simon Murphy, you are currently IS the slanderer, because you have no fact to prove that I am “Monkeychops”.”

    Apart from the fact that English is clearlnot your first language, you said that gays seem
    to have no idea of the law or jurisprudence… Well, ´slander´ is spoken and libel is written, so he can hardly be a slanderer?

    Also, something is only slander if it is untrue. you cannot be done for slander OR libel is what you say or write is true… So try this for size…

    P-SS OFF TROLL! :-)

  30. Is there really much difference from ‘removing life support’ from a terminally ill and greatly suffering patient compared to ending life in any other method such as giving a lethal overdose of smothering with a pillow? Everyday doctors, nurses and relatives are faced with this problem in our country’s hospitals and collude with the VERY common practice of ‘mercy killing’. Ray Gosling’s ‘crime’ is his honesty, not what he did. Dying is still a taboo that society has not yet got grips of.

  31. Wise words, Mal, wise words. Thank you.

  32. Mr. Mbosaramba: So tell me, if you have an old pet dog that is suffering with kidney failure, can hardly walk and is quite obviously in considerable pain, what would you do?

  33. Jean-Paul Bentham 18 Feb 2010, 8:38pm

    Oh good grief, do you honestly believe ramba can think?

    He’s got what he wants — ATTENTION.

  34. Omar Kuddus 18 Feb 2010, 8:44pm

    Mbosaramba,
    Love the way your english and knowledge of the British legal sytm has improved so drastically in such a short time.
    It seems people are reinventing themselves again !!!!

  35. Funny how the old bill can suddenly deploy resources at the drop of a hat to investigate a mercy killing but routinely responds to victims of serious crimes – as they are being assaulted or their houses ransacked – with a “unfortunately, due to current pressing priorities, we’re unable to attend right now” message. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the specifics of Ray Gosling’s (reported) actions, he’s hardly a stalking murderer posing a serious threat to all law-abiding citizens of Nottinghamshire, is he?

  36. Pink Oboe Player 20 Feb 2010, 9:08am

    So you think Ray Gosling is straight do you Cleggy?

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