Comments on: France de-lists transgenderism as a mental illness http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/ News, reviews and comment from Europe's largest gay news service Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:19:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SteveMD2 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-97711 SteveMD2 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:17:10 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-97711 Hatred, especially in the name of God, is the mental illness of our time. Hatred, especially in the name of God, is the mental illness of our time.

]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96956 Eddy Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:48:12 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96956 OrtharRrith and theotherone, most grateful for your most helpful guidance. Thank you. OrtharRrith and theotherone, most grateful for your most helpful guidance. Thank you.

]]> By: theotherone http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96908 theotherone Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:54:47 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96908 alas ortharrith we are not loved, as disgusting trannies, not loved at all. alas ortharrith we are not loved, as disgusting trannies, not loved at all.

]]> By: OrtharRrith http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96905 OrtharRrith Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:36:17 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96905 Eddy, the best term to use would be Transgender - it's a cover-all term that is used to describe Transsexuals, Transvestites, and third sex. The thought that this might be used as an excuse not to treat transsexuals makes me sick in the pit of my stomach. I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for being diagnosed with GID and then recieving GRS and being denied that would've been the end of me. I hope, for the sake off all who are yet to have GRS, that this isn't the case. I was so busy being delighted that suddenly the stigma of mental illness would be lifted that I missed this. Eddy, the best term to use would be Transgender – it’s a cover-all term that is used to describe Transsexuals, Transvestites, and third sex.

The thought that this might be used as an excuse not to treat transsexuals makes me sick in the pit of my stomach. I wouldn’t be here today if it wasn’t for being diagnosed with GID and then recieving GRS and being denied that would’ve been the end of me.
I hope, for the sake off all who are yet to have GRS, that this isn’t the case. I was so busy being delighted that suddenly the stigma of mental illness would be lifted that I missed this.

]]> By: theotherone http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96897 theotherone Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:52:19 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96897 Eddy: your question reminds me of an essay by Ursula K Le Quin (sp?) discussing her novel The Left Hand Of Darkness in which she discusses a language about bodies that does not contain Gender. Her suggestion, and one I tend to follow until I know not to, is to use non gendered terms such as they rather than she or he. Just a suggestion. As to the link: i read it and I'm horrified. I've heard from other sources (I will not be more specific) of mystifying refusals to treat Transexuals here in the UK. It's a new dark age folks. Eddy: your question reminds me of an essay by Ursula K Le Quin (sp?) discussing her novel The Left Hand Of Darkness in which she discusses a language about bodies that does not contain Gender. Her suggestion, and one I tend to follow until I know not to, is to use non gendered terms such as they rather than she or he.

Just a suggestion.

As to the link: i read it and I’m horrified. I’ve heard from other sources (I will not be more specific) of mystifying refusals to treat Transexuals here in the UK.

It’s a new dark age folks.

]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96882 Eddy Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:04:53 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96882 OrtharRrith, thank you, re. using the pronoun appropriate to the gender presented. And presumably it be acceptable to say that I could not be sure if she was "a transvestite" or "a transexual", or should I use a more general and inclusive term? OrtharRrith, thank you, re. using the pronoun appropriate to the gender presented. And presumably it be acceptable to say that I could not be sure if she was “a transvestite” or “a transexual”, or should I use a more general and inclusive term?

]]> By: OrtharRrith http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96869 OrtharRrith Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:13:14 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96869 You refure to the person in the gender they present, so in this case; unless told otherwise by the person involved themselves; then you refure to her by female pronouns. As to this article it's good in that it should help get rid of the stigma and excuses that "oh it's a MENTAL illness.." Something tells me it'll be longer before the UK follows suit though. You refure to the person in the gender they present, so in this case; unless told otherwise by the person involved themselves; then you refure to her by female pronouns.
As to this article it’s good in that it should help get rid of the stigma and excuses that “oh it’s a MENTAL illness..” Something tells me it’ll be longer before the UK follows suit though.

]]> By: Eddy http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96855 Eddy Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:25:24 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96855 I have a question which is off-topic but related and would be grateful of people's advice. I am writing a travel piece about a Middle Eastern country where of course any sexuality other than heterosexuality is frowned upon. At an occasion there I noticed an ordinary elderly married couple standing divorced from all of the other people with a person towering over them whom I suspect was their son. This person appeared to be a tall male in his twenties who had gone to considerable trouble to dress in very stylish women's clothing, to wear long very well-styled hair, and to wear a great deal of make-up. The impression was of couple with their son who may always or occasionally appear as a woman or who may even have changed gender though masculine features were unmistakeable. It was quite an extraordinary situation. They were were a very brave trio to be there at all, although, as I say, I noticed they didn't mix. It was as if they were just there to "put in an appearance", perhaps just to satisfy other members of the extended family. They were clearly tense and ill-at-ease and I noticed they left early. My question is: how should I refer to him in the piece I am writing? Those of you who know far more about this kind of situation than I: what term would you consider acceptable? Many thanks. I have a question which is off-topic but related and would be grateful of people’s advice.

I am writing a travel piece about a Middle Eastern country where of course any sexuality other than heterosexuality is frowned upon. At an occasion there I noticed an ordinary elderly married couple standing divorced from all of the other people with a person towering over them whom I suspect was their son. This person appeared to be a tall male in his twenties who had gone to considerable trouble to dress in very stylish women’s clothing, to wear long very well-styled hair, and to wear a great deal of make-up. The impression was of couple with their son who may always or occasionally appear as a woman or who may even have changed gender though masculine features were unmistakeable.

It was quite an extraordinary situation. They were were a very brave trio to be there at all, although, as I say, I noticed they didn’t mix. It was as if they were just there to “put in an appearance”, perhaps just to satisfy other members of the extended family. They were clearly tense and ill-at-ease and I noticed they left early.

My question is: how should I refer to him in the piece I am writing? Those of you who know far more about this kind of situation than I: what term would you consider acceptable?

Many thanks.

]]> By: Christine Rourke http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96792 Christine Rourke Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:34:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96792 I think popel need to read GouineMum's link before getting too excited... if correct, this is actually NOT good news. Chrissie xxxx I think popel need to read GouineMum’s link before getting too excited… if correct, this is actually NOT good news.

Chrissie
xxxx

]]> By: theotherone http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96747 theotherone Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:37:05 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96747 I can't see France cutting all treatment not while it has a central place in the EU. I can’t see France cutting all treatment not while it has a central place in the EU.

]]> By: Jen Marcus http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96720 Jen Marcus Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:08:57 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96720 If it is categorized as a medical condition than it may be a covered condition and subject to a financed treatment regimen under the government health plan. If it is categorized as a medical condition than it may be a covered condition and subject to a financed treatment regimen under the government health plan.

]]> By: Abi1975 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96701 Abi1975 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:51:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96701 @ Pumpkin Pie I totally agree this will ether totally liberate French trans people or be used to exclude them from treatment. @ Pumpkin Pie

I totally agree this will ether totally liberate French trans people or be used to exclude them from treatment.

]]> By: DG http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96700 DG Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:48:31 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96700 Hi It's logical ... 'Angels are Androgynes' So, human beings who belong to the, middle gender, which is the gender between the male and female gender/s, are indeed special people. So go forth On your horses To the Golden Kingdom Help make this world a much better place along the way. Take Care Hi

It’s logical …

‘Angels are Androgynes’

So, human beings who belong to the, middle gender, which is the gender between the male and female gender/s, are indeed special people.

So go forth

On your horses

To the Golden Kingdom

Help make this world a much better place along the way.

Take Care

]]> By: Mike http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96689 Mike Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:58:35 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96689 Richard@16, I totally agree. It was the French who put the UN resolution on Gay rights together last year (when His nastyness the Pope tried to block it!)and the ban on beurkas. Richard@16, I totally agree. It was the French who put the UN resolution on Gay rights together last year (when His nastyness the Pope tried to block it!)and the ban on beurkas.

]]> By: Pumpkin Pie http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96676 Pumpkin Pie Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:45:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96676 <B>GouineMum</b> That is very worrying and exactly what some people were predicting on another LGBT site I frequent: that this is merely a ploy to deprive trans people of government funding for their treatment. I do hope this is just paranoia, but I'm still going to be a little wary until this story plays out some more. GouineMum

That is very worrying and exactly what some people were predicting on another LGBT site I frequent: that this is merely a ploy to deprive trans people of government funding for their treatment. I do hope this is just paranoia, but I’m still going to be a little wary until this story plays out some more.

]]> By: Nathan http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96650 Nathan Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:39:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96650 Good on france! Good on france!

]]> By: Richard http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96645 Richard Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:38:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96645 You've got to hand it to the French, they seem to have a no nonsense approach to everything. You’ve got to hand it to the French, they seem to have a no nonsense approach to everything.

]]> By: GouineMum http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96643 GouineMum Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:34:28 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96643 Heavy BS by the French government. Please read: http://pccsxb.net/dl/sts/text/2009-02-13_c-p_decret_Bachelot_EN.txt Heavy BS by the French government. Please read: http://pccsxb.net/dl/sts/text/2009-02-13_c-p_decret_Bachelot_EN.txt

]]> By: Jean-Paul Bentham http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96619 Jean-Paul Bentham Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:46:01 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96619 @12: Nous sommes tous un peu fou, tu sais. @12:

Nous sommes tous un peu fou, tu sais.

]]> By: AngieRS http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96615 AngieRS Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:32:59 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/15/france-de-lists-transgenderism-as-a-mental-illness/#comment-96615 Well done, France! Well done, France!

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