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France de-lists transgenderism as a mental illness

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  1. theotherone 15 Feb 2010, 5:33pm

    I’ll have a nice glass of chateau musar tonight to celebrate.

  2. I’m absolutely gobsmacked to read it’s the first country in the world :o I assumed most countries had de-listed it. Well done, France!

  3. Thank goodness someone’s doing the right thing! I hope we follow suit, quick smart.

  4. Robyn Griffiths 15 Feb 2010, 6:10pm

    I have just had to go through the transsexual diagnoses process at the local mental health clinic. I did feel unfortable because it was a mental health clinic. I was diagnosed as transsexual (which was a relife) nut it was the fact I had to go to a mental clinic that made the appointment more nerve racking that it should have been.

  5. I was under the impression that Sweden had delisted gender identity disorders in November of 2008.

  6. Mbosaramba 15 Feb 2010, 7:49pm

    “France de-lists transgenderism as a mental illness”

    So what? 191 countries consider transsexuals as psychopath in their medical manuals, and World Health Organization do absolutely the same. What would be the fate of ANY French transsexual being if he-she (she-he) will going to live in Saudi Arabia? Execution and grave, for sure.

    Well, don’t give me a break – I already have it!

  7. Jean-Paul Bentham 15 Feb 2010, 7:50pm


  8. Jean-Paul Bentham 15 Feb 2010, 8:41pm

    Mbosaramba = Monkeychops???

  9. The Ameriucan Psychiatris Association struck down homosexuality as a mental illness as early as 1973. Don’t expect the UK and others to follow France’s example so soon. Its going to be interesting to see how France’s decision plays out in the rest of the EU. This will be yet another equality issue waiting to happen. Discriminating against French transgendered nationals who happen to be in other member states could open a pandora’s box. Well done, France! Now on to marriage equality!

  10. Typographical errors in my last post….please read…The American Psychiatric Association….

  11. Robyn Griffiths 15 Feb 2010, 9:15pm

    I have emailed the Department of Health regarding what France has done asking if there are plans to do the same in the UK. i will also email my MP.

    The email address is

  12. Weird, I had being transgendered down as way cool and being French as the mental illness….

  13. Well done, France!

  14. Jean-Paul Bentham 15 Feb 2010, 10:46pm


    Nous sommes tous un peu fou, tu sais.

  15. Heavy BS by the French government. Please read:

  16. You’ve got to hand it to the French, they seem to have a no nonsense approach to everything.

  17. Good on france!

  18. Pumpkin Pie 16 Feb 2010, 6:45am


    That is very worrying and exactly what some people were predicting on another LGBT site I frequent: that this is merely a ploy to deprive trans people of government funding for their treatment. I do hope this is just paranoia, but I’m still going to be a little wary until this story plays out some more.

  19. Richard@16, I totally agree. It was the French who put the UN resolution on Gay rights together last year (when His nastyness the Pope tried to block it!)and the ban on beurkas.

  20. Hi

    It’s logical …

    ‘Angels are Androgynes’

    So, human beings who belong to the, middle gender, which is the gender between the male and female gender/s, are indeed special people.

    So go forth

    On your horses

    To the Golden Kingdom

    Help make this world a much better place along the way.

    Take Care

  21. @ Pumpkin Pie

    I totally agree this will ether totally liberate French trans people or be used to exclude them from treatment.

  22. If it is categorized as a medical condition than it may be a covered condition and subject to a financed treatment regimen under the government health plan.

  23. theotherone 16 Feb 2010, 1:37pm

    I can’t see France cutting all treatment not while it has a central place in the EU.

  24. Christine Rourke 16 Feb 2010, 3:34pm

    I think popel need to read GouineMum’s link before getting too excited… if correct, this is actually NOT good news.


  25. I have a question which is off-topic but related and would be grateful of people’s advice.

    I am writing a travel piece about a Middle Eastern country where of course any sexuality other than heterosexuality is frowned upon. At an occasion there I noticed an ordinary elderly married couple standing divorced from all of the other people with a person towering over them whom I suspect was their son. This person appeared to be a tall male in his twenties who had gone to considerable trouble to dress in very stylish women’s clothing, to wear long very well-styled hair, and to wear a great deal of make-up. The impression was of couple with their son who may always or occasionally appear as a woman or who may even have changed gender though masculine features were unmistakeable.

    It was quite an extraordinary situation. They were were a very brave trio to be there at all, although, as I say, I noticed they didn’t mix. It was as if they were just there to “put in an appearance”, perhaps just to satisfy other members of the extended family. They were clearly tense and ill-at-ease and I noticed they left early.

    My question is: how should I refer to him in the piece I am writing? Those of you who know far more about this kind of situation than I: what term would you consider acceptable?

    Many thanks.

  26. OrtharRrith 16 Feb 2010, 8:13pm

    You refure to the person in the gender they present, so in this case; unless told otherwise by the person involved themselves; then you refure to her by female pronouns.
    As to this article it’s good in that it should help get rid of the stigma and excuses that “oh it’s a MENTAL illness..” Something tells me it’ll be longer before the UK follows suit though.

  27. OrtharRrith, thank you, re. using the pronoun appropriate to the gender presented. And presumably it be acceptable to say that I could not be sure if she was “a transvestite” or “a transexual”, or should I use a more general and inclusive term?

  28. theotherone 16 Feb 2010, 9:52pm

    Eddy: your question reminds me of an essay by Ursula K Le Quin (sp?) discussing her novel The Left Hand Of Darkness in which she discusses a language about bodies that does not contain Gender. Her suggestion, and one I tend to follow until I know not to, is to use non gendered terms such as they rather than she or he.

    Just a suggestion.

    As to the link: i read it and I’m horrified. I’ve heard from other sources (I will not be more specific) of mystifying refusals to treat Transexuals here in the UK.

    It’s a new dark age folks.

  29. OrtharRrith 16 Feb 2010, 10:36pm

    Eddy, the best term to use would be Transgender – it’s a cover-all term that is used to describe Transsexuals, Transvestites, and third sex.

    The thought that this might be used as an excuse not to treat transsexuals makes me sick in the pit of my stomach. I wouldn’t be here today if it wasn’t for being diagnosed with GID and then recieving GRS and being denied that would’ve been the end of me.
    I hope, for the sake off all who are yet to have GRS, that this isn’t the case. I was so busy being delighted that suddenly the stigma of mental illness would be lifted that I missed this.

  30. theotherone 16 Feb 2010, 10:54pm

    alas ortharrith we are not loved, as disgusting trannies, not loved at all.

  31. OrtharRrith and theotherone, most grateful for your most helpful guidance. Thank you.

  32. Hatred, especially in the name of God, is the mental illness of our time.

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