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Valentine’s Day protest over Pope’s UK visit

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  1. He should be banned from entering the UK, just as Michael Savage and Geert Wilders were. This moron should be charged for crimes against humanity given his stand on prohibiting condom distribution in African nation, among others. To say that condoms do not prevent HIV/AIDs is nothing more than sanctioning genocide. Prosecute the bastard in the World Court in the Hague!

  2. BrazilBoysBlog 10 Feb 2010, 4:08pm

    I agree with Robert. This will not happen of course. He will be welcomed, even if just as another head of state. We should not lose any chance though to let him, the catholic church, and the British people know how unwelcome this bigot is in our democratic country.

    Wish I could be at this demonstration. I am joining their facebook page…Though I will be far away, my thoughts will be with them all on Valentines Day.his

  3. Perhaps it is none of my business as I am American but the Pope is considered as a head of state so, why is the British government paying for his visit? I presume the British government does not pay for the visits of other heads of state. If the Vatican cannot afford to pay for the visit, let them seek donations.

  4. I will be there on the day 10 Feb 2010, 5:58pm

    Pope Benedict XVI Italian: Benedetto XVI; German: Benedikt XVI.; born Joseph Alois Ratzinger on 16 April 1927.

    As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted.

    As a German Nazi soldier, he was put in a POW camp, and release at the end of the war in the summer of 1945.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUfx2KRs_nQ

    Austria:
    In 1995 Cardinal Hans Hermann Groër stepped down as head of the Roman Catholic Church in Austria following accusations of sexual misconduct. In 1998 he left the country. He remained a Cardinal.

    Belgium:
    Former parish priest Bruno Vos of Nieuwmoer parish in Kalmthout was officially charged with rape of a minor by the Belgian judiciary. There are also allegations of possession of child pornography included in the charge.

    Czech Republic:
    In 2000 Fr. Frantisek Merta and Olomouc Archbishop Jan Graubner were charged after allegations were made by a theology student, Václav Novák, that Merta had sexually abused altar boys since 1995.

    France:
    Henri Lebras sentenced to ten years for the rape of a twelve year old boy between 1995 and 1998.

    Ireland:
    Several priests who abused children in the United States were Irish Nationals, notably Patrick Colleary, Anthony O’Connell and Oliver O’Grady.

    Italy:

    It is difficult to ascertain the correct statistics for clerical sexual abuse in Italy because the Italian Government has a treaty with the Vatican that guarantees areas of immunity to Vatican officials, including bishops and priests.

    The Netherlands:

    Cases of sexual abuse by religious members of the Roman Catholic Church in The Netherlands can since 1995 be notified to a central church institution, called Secretariaat Rooms-Katholiek Kerkgenootschap (SRRK)

    Poland:
    In March 2002 Archbishop Juliusz Paetz quit following accusations, which he denied, of sexually molesting young priests.

    United Kingdom:

    There have been several abuse affairs in United Kingdom as well. Buckfast Abbey School In 2007 two former monks from Buckfast Abbey were sentenced for sexually abusing boys. Ealing Abbey / St Benedict’s School In 2009 a monk of Ealing Abbey, and former headmaster of the junior department of its associated school, St Benedict’s, was sentenced to eight years in prison for sexually abusing boys.

    Argentina:
    Julio Grassi was found guilty (by a three-judge panel of the Criminal Court Oral 1 Morón) of one count of sexual abuse and one count of corrupting a minor in the “Happy Children’s Foundation.

    Brazil:
    In 2005 Brazilian priests, Fr. Tarcísio Tadeu Spricigo and Fr. Geraldo da Consolação Machado were convicted of child molestation while Fr. Felix Barbosa Carreiro was arrested and charged with child sexual abuse in the northeastern state of Maranhão after police seized him in a hotel room with four teenage boys.

    Mexico:
    Fr. Marcial Maciel (1920 – 2008) founded the Legion of Christ, a Catholic order of priests originating in Mexico. Nine former seminarians of his order accused Maciel of molestation.

    Peru:
    In 2007, Daniel Bernardo Beltrán Murguía Ward, a 42 year-old Italian-Peruvian Consecrated Layman of the group Sodalitium Christianae Vitae, was found by the Peruvian National Police in a hostel in Cercado de Lima with an 11 year-old boy, whom he was taking sexually explicit pictures of.

    Canada:
    Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Canada
    In the 1990s, criminal proceedings began against members of the Christian Brothers in Newfoundland.

    United States:
    The Society of Jesus made a $50 million payout to over 100 Inuits who alleged that they had been sexually abused. The settlement did not require them to admit molesting Inuit children, but accusations involved 13 or 14 priests who allegedly molested these children for 30 years.[17]

    The Diocese of Fairbanks, a co-defendant in the case, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, claiming inability to pay the 140 plaintiffs filing claims against the diocese for alleged sexual abuse by priests or church workers during this period.

    Australia:
    Ross Murrin – Catholic brother plead guilty to sexually abusing eight male students.Michael Charles Glennon – sentenced to at least 15 years in jail for sexually abusing four Aboriginal boys between 1984 and 1991[41]
    Wilfred James Baker – sentenced to four years in prison (parole after 2 years) for 16 counts of indecent assault and one of gross indecency, involving eight boys, aged 10 to 13, over a 20-year period between 1960 and 1979.[42]
    David Daniel – sentenced to six years jail, with parole after 4.5 years, for molesting four boys, a girl and an adult male. Rex Elmer – abuser sentenced in 1998 to five years jail (with parole after 3 years 4 months) for molesting 12 boys at St Vincent’s orphanage in South Melbourne.

    New Zealand:
    The abuse scandal in Christchurch is an important chapter in the clerical abuse affairs in New Zealand.

    Philippines:
    In 2002 the Catholic Church apologised for sexual abuse by hundreds of priests over the previous 20 years. In 2003 at least 34 priests were suspended in a sex abuse scandal. 20 were from a single diocese.

  5. Brian Burton 10 Feb 2010, 8:23pm

    What a Dossier by “I Will Be There On The Day,” If it was up to me the Vatican would be Abolished and The RCs disbanded.

  6. So a protest is about to be mounted against the September visit of the Pope.
    I suppose even now, banners are in the process of being constructed saying such things as ”No Nazis Here” or Go Home to Rome, Nazi Pope.”

    But can I, for a moment, suggest that this line of attack is fruitless from our point of view; it is certainly pointless from my point of view.
    I shall await the comments of others with interest, however.

    Ratzinger was scarcely more than a child when he was in the Hitlerjugend; hardly responsible for his actions at that age.
    And had he been actively engaged in any war crimes, I would have thought he would have been well and truly brought to book by the ‘War-Crimes Commission’ by now or at least ”known”.

    So all this Pope-baiting, by calling him ”Nazi” is pointless and would be unprovable, I would think.

    It is irrelevant, really, with the greatest respect to the millions of victims of that onslaught.

    What IS provable – and incontrovertibly so – is Ratzinger’s continued and unashamed condemnation of homosexuality.
    According to him, I, and I suspect you too, dear reader, am/are “more or less inclined to moral evil” and am “intrinsically morally disordered” on account of our sexual orientation.

    NO, I AM BLOODY WELL, SODDING WELL, NOT..!

    I am as I was created; I made no choice in the matter and I knew at 4, certainly 5, that I was ”different” to the other boys

    By calling him names like ”Nazi-Pope” -and all the other guff – we think we are keeping him on a hook; but it is a very tiny hook, a hook such as you would use in fly-fishing.

    I want the man impaled (figuratively and following the ‘fly-fishing’ analogy) on a 3ft. butcher’s beef-carcass hook for that statement about my ”intrinsic moral disorder”.

    A priest told me 50 years ago that I, as a homosexul person, was “sick and one of only very few men afflicted with this disease (homosexuality)”.

    He then gave me the address of a ‘doctor’ who would ‘cure’ me with electricity.
    “Good-bye, Church!”
    I have never been in a church since.

    That whole episode from my youth upset me greatly then – and still does.
    And good for me that I did just walk out; had I gone to this ‘doctor’ , God alone knows what would have been the outcome of that ‘treatment’

    Even now I shudder at the thought of it.

    The Pope at that time was John XXIII.
    Not a Nazi, I think you will agree?

    After him came Paul VI – also not a Nazi.
    (JP I was knobbled before he could say much, so we can forget about him.)

    Then came JP II, Polish, and not a Nazi certainly.

    So what I am getting at is that this bile against homosexuality and homosexual persons is an ongoing, decades-old, if not centuries-old, stance within the RCC and little, if anything, to do with Nazism and certainly nothing to do with any tenuous links that Ratzinger might, or might not, have had to that Party.

    By all means continue to catcall and boo and hiss and create a stink if you find his youthful membership of that Party a scandal.
    I personally do not think that he could have done otherwise, as a youngster, and in the same circumstances, I would probably have done the same; even been made to do the same by my parents. Who knows.

    He probably did not understand the full implications of what he was in and could have done little about anyway at that age.

    I am labouring the point too much, I know.

    What we must concentrate on is his undeniable pronouncements on homosexuality.

    So please re-word any placards which allude to his time in the Nazi Party and draw attention to his black and white, condemnatory, moderrn statements which are there for all to read in dozens of titles.

    WHO ARE YOU CALLING MORALLY DISORDERED, POPE.?…..would be a start.

    Leave comments about his alleged Nazism for another time.

    Even nearer to modern times than the Nazis and far more relevant to today, is the Church’s cover up of its systemic child abuse.
    Ratzinger MUST have known about that, the hundreds and hundreds of children, the dozens of dioceses involved around the world, and did nothing.
    So, too, must his boss, friend, mentor and immediate pre-decessor, Wojtyla who likewise did nothing but shuffle the offenders around the globe from parish to parish, free to abuse anew.
    And there is a process for his (Wojtyla’s) canonisation in full swing; “SAINTHOOD NOW…SANTO SUBITO” the crowd demanded at his (Wojtyla’s) funeral.

    In a pig’s ear.

    We each were born with two arms, not three.

    Carry one placard denouncing Ratzinger’s stance on homosexuality and homosexual persons and carry another, if you feel the need, denouncing his complicity by silence in the child-abuse cover up.

    And please leave the tenuous subject of his brief Nazi past for when you grow a third arm.

    Keith.
    SALFORD.

  7. Hear Hear Robert, I Will Be There Et Al!
    Keith… not sure why you have a problem with the Nazi thing, the pope has embraced a Holocaust Denier publicly, so… no change there!

    Yes, his condemnation of homosexuality is not only Troglodyte Kult-Chewer but, and perhaps more to the point, MAKING PUBLIC STATEMENTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO HURT, HUMILIATE, INFLAME, OFFEND OR INCITE HOMOPHOBIC HATRED ARE I L L E G A L IN THE UK!

    So, either the Equality Laws are not worth the paper they are written on OR, the Pope will be arrested IF he makes such comments.

    While the UK is prepared to tolerate hatemongering, whether mysoginist, homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, racist or antisemitic, there can be NO Single Equality Scheme.

    I would love to be at the march, but more realistically I probably won’t be, distance, timing and finances won’t allow, but I will be there in spirit, and yes, as a lesbian, out for 45 out of 54 years I have been alive, I KNOW I have a spirit and it has nothing whatsoever to do with gods, angels or demons.. it is MY spirit, it is queer, it is indomitable and it belongs with millions upon millions of my brothers and sisters, gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender, as well as heterosexual, who choose love instead of hate and laugh at the Rat Singer, Pope of the most Evil Church that has ever been… which presided over the deportation of jews, disabled people, gypsies and LGBT people, their incarceration and extermination in concentration camps… without a single word!

    But if the Roman Catholic Church think that we will walk to the stake like little lambs, they haven’t got the size, and shape and sheer number of us!

    Oh yes, we ARE legion, and each one of us is an army and we will see each and every one of the bigots in Hell, before we go back to the closet.

    On Valentine Day there will be no massachre, just one long march, to send a loud message to the Vatican, via its Italian accomplice:

    NO POPE HERE! NOT IN OUR NAME, NOT ON OUR CASH, NOT ON OUR STREETS!
    GET HERE UNDER YOUR OWN STEAM, POPEY!

    WHISK HIM THROUGH CUSTOMS QUICKLY! LOCK HIM AWAY IN YOUR CATHOLIC CATHEDRALS AND DO NOT DARE LET HIM OUT TO PREACH IN PUBLIC, BECAUSE YOU’LL NEED WAY, WAY MORE THAN A POPE-MOBILE TO KEEP HIM FROM THE ROTTEN EGGS, TOMATOES, CHICKEN HEADS, DOG EXCREMENT AND ROTTEN ENTRAILS WE’LL PELT HIM WITH!

    KEEP BRITAIN SECULAR!

  8. I object to us paying £20million for the old homophobe to come to the UK!
    I object to the Old Homophobe coming to the UK even if he pays for it himself!!!

  9. #7

    GREAVOX

    Yes; point taken;I had forgotten about re-instated Bishop Williams (was that his name?) and of course that is very, very up to date.
    I quite understand your viewpoint but while I agree with you in that I am wrong (sort of!) let me say that I do not have a problem with those who pursue the Nazi line, vis-a-vis Ratzinger.

    But there is only so much you can protest about at one time; you can only carry two placards with your two arms.
    My over-riding gripe is the fact that he says that I/you/we are fundamentally flawed as human beings, “intrinsically morally disordered..” and to me, that is quite enough to shout him down about, especially since it gives licence to all the gay-bashers in Creation to ‘legitimately’ give us a kicking.

    That of course is from my standpoint.
    I was never touched up as a child by any priest, brother, nun; but thousands were; I myself saw, at school 50 years ago ‘inappropriate behaviour’ from an Irish Christian Brother with a boy. Now I know what that behaviour was but then, what I saw, did not mean anything.

    I cannot protest about that; it does not impinge on me personally.

    But for those whom it affects, then let them protest most vehemently. I would not be able to protest vehemently because I was not touched; therefore the emotion is not there so any protest on my part would be at less than 100 degrees.

    But let him tell me to my face that I am “intrinsically…” or let me hear it from a pulpit were I to go to a service and I would stand up there and then and go to town on him or any priest and it would not matter a damn who was there or what police were called, so deeply does it affect ME, that crass, crass, crass statement; my repost would be at 1000 degrees.

    The same applies to his Nazi past; it does not directly affect me.
    It could easily have been different of course if my (Orthodox Jew) grandfather’s father had not come here from the Ukraine in eighteen hundred and dot to escape some pogrom or other.

    But that is another story.

    ”I cannot blow your hot custard cool; I can only blow cool my scalding hot soup”. -old Yiddisher proverb; ‘I can only do what I can do; you must do your own thing’.

    Keith.
    SALFORD

  10. Jean-Paul Bentham 11 Feb 2010, 6:46pm

    Gay rights are human rights.

    And that the UK should foot the bill for the pontifical visit is nothing short of an insult. The vatican should even pay for the clean-up crew who will have to pick up after him.

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