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  1. sorry ‘papa’ (though your fashion sense indicates more of a ‘mama’ but your idea of equality is not equality. and will not be accepted by non-knobs.

  2. Johnnybgood 1 Feb 2010, 7:33pm

    Belief in nonsense such as God and religion violates all reason. However much Pope Benedict XVI might like to believe he lives in the 16th Century fortunately for those of us who like to think for ourselves, we don’t. Those who did in the past were often murdered at the behest of the Papacy. The Pope is an absurdity.

  3. Patrick James 1 Feb 2010, 7:37pm

    In the Daily Mail:

    David Cameron wants a the biggest expansion of faith schools since the 19th century.

    And

    Senior figures in the Roman Catholic Church have already expressed a strong interest in running the ‘free schools’ proposed by the Conservatives.

  4. Robert, ex pat Brit 1 Feb 2010, 7:53pm

    Another example of a foreigner meddling in the internal affairs of another country. The sooner we disestablish state religion altogether, it will lessen these cults’ power, starting with the C of E. Maybe its time to reverse the catholic emancipation act altogether.

    Patrick James, yes, you’re right about that. That alone would deter me from voting for him. As it is, there is far too much church interference in politics which makes the abolition of state religion that more urgent.

  5. sean Turner 1 Feb 2010, 8:24pm

    well thats sealed my vote for labout

  6. The Pope’s fashion sense violates natural law

  7. This coming from a man who wears dresses and Prada slippers!

  8. He has overstepped the mark. He has no right to comment on the law laid down by the lawful authority of a sovereign nation in which there is clear seperation of church and state, and in which, in any case, the Catholic church is NOT the established church at all.

    This apart from his words being meaningless blather

  9. What’s Terry Sanderson’s beef? That Brits have to pay for the Head of a global church’s visit? Hey, here in Canada I can’t tell you how many royal trips we’ve paid for as Canadian taxpayers! That’s often included such lows-on-the-totem-pole as Prince Edward and wife, Andrew and wife, etc. We’d be content if ALL we had to pay for were the visits of the leaders! If a leader of a country or religious groups wishes to visit your country you should feel honoured — it’s all the other minor players that keep coming for tax-paid visits that gets my goat! You can argue that at least with a leader there is an opportunity for a dialogue (if you’re against what the person stands for) but what does Prince Edward stand for? Not much in my taxpaying opinion!
    People need to understand global diversity (meaning: there are people in this world who have a different world view than yours) and the importance of foreign diplomacy.

  10. He must be banned from entering the UK – it is that simple – just do it

  11. Jean-Paul Bentham 1 Feb 2010, 9:33pm

    “He urged bishops to defend the church’s “moral teachings”, saying that as the church offered the “truth”, it could not be accused of restricting the freedom of others.”

    The truth?? Let’s see ben16 walk across the channel if the gospels are so true.

    @20 millions Pounds would go along way in the Red Cross Relief Program in Haiti.

    @ missy 9:

    As one Canadian to another, just because Harper is an expert at confusing the issues doesn’t mean you have to do it too.

    In other words, go fvck yourself, take the cccb with you, a bottle of wine and some cheap biscuits. And you know what you can do with your collection plates and catechisms which are “inherently evil”. A-a-a-a-a-a-MEN!

  12. The Camp Crusader 1 Feb 2010, 9:34pm

    Considering that he has no humanity whatsoever, I’d say that the Pope and the Catholic Church are the greatest threats to humanity!

  13. Missy – you’re quite entitled to make your feelings felt about UK royals visiting Canada, and we’re exercising our right to complain about the pope. Papal approval is something we can do without, and seeing as we’re not getting it anyhow, the feeling is more than mutual. Diplomacy be damned, there’s no love lost here.
    The less airtime this homophobic bigot gets on our taxes the better. The only reason I would welcome him to the UK is to save money on the airfare to Rome in order to pelt him with eggs.

  14. I posted a link to this on the other bit of news that this scum said this
    it’s very pathetic of him and sadly predictable
    he’ll do more to destroy any good in the world with attitudes like this

  15. Flapjack, that is my point exactly! I support public displays of non-violent debate (not the egg pelting, tho). But does Britain really want to join the ranks of countries that only accept visitors that agree with its government and laws? Dust off your placards and march if you disagree with a visiting dignitary, but don’t ban a visit. To me, that just deprives anti-Papists of their voice.

  16. “In some respects it actually violates the natural law upon which the equality of all human beings is grounded and by which it is guaranteed.”

    Ah, yes. I think I know the special kind of ‘equality’ he’s talking about. To paraphrase George Orwell:

    “All humans are equal but some are more equal than others.”

  17. The Pope’s view of freedom reminds me of Henry Ford and his Model T.”You can have any colour you like as long as it’s black”.

  18. The Pope’s visit to the UK is being funded by our taxes. The cost is £20 million of public money. That’s £20 million CUT from public services (the NHS, schools, social services) to fund the Pope coming to the UK. Do you agree with this?

    Sign the petition:

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/petition-the-pm.html

  19. Missy raises an interesting point – is egg throwing freedom of expression :-) ?

    Missy – it’s YOUR COUNTRY’S job to get rid of the monarchy. Thomas Paine reminds us in The Rights Of Man that wisdom is not hereditary.

    If you can’t get rid of the Windsors there is no hope for us here in England.

  20. The Halcyon 1 Feb 2010, 11:05pm

    Natural law? What the ferque is natural law when it’s at home? Did anyone explain that to the gay penguins at Berlin zoo?

    I hope Nostradamus was right about the Papacy.

  21. David Lambert 1 Feb 2010, 11:13pm

    Sorry, change of subject. But is he wearing eyeliner?
    Oh my word he looks like my mother!

  22. Classic – most folk with a basic understanding of the Bible would acknowledge that Jesus Christ stood for the disadvantaged, the poor, the underdogs and every authority that dehumanised its citizens. Here we have the Pope seeking to deny gays, transgendered and lesbians the opportunity to support themselves and their families. He stands against equality, fairness and common decency. There is an innate sense of justice among Brits and I believe the public will see right through him and his meddling. Own goal Pope!

  23. Please don’t forget the pope was a member of the hitler youth so he is only ” obeying orders” who are next the Jews? The Quakers? the political subversives? The people “who don’t think like us?” now we know why aushwitz is still in one piece let’s fire the ovens up ken reich ein volch ein god

  24. He never surprises me but never fails to disappoint either. What-A-Twat!

  25. I won’t be chucking eggs, I’ll be catapulting used condoms – much more appropriate.

  26. Jean-Paul Bentham 2 Feb 2010, 2:59am

    @ missy 15:

    Nice try, but no cigar. Don’t try to weasel your way out of it like a true Canadian Harper fan, fvcking Alliance, my ass.

    Homophobic bigots like the Phelps family have been banned from entering the UK, and so should the rcc homophobic bigots and child molester protectors.

    Eggs!? I say tar and feather him and send him back to his stately Palace on a rail while the Ugandan gays can eat sh*t, eh.

  27. Jean-Paul Bentham 2 Feb 2010, 3:54am

    The last time I saw shoulder pads like that, Joan Crawford was wearing them.

    But I do love lavender; goes well with his eye liner.

  28. ‘A violation of natural law.’ What’s celibacy then? Oh, sorry, I forgot, “it is a gift”.

    WHAT AN EXCUSE FOR A MAN.

  29. It is worth pointing out that the majority of Brits are not religious (66%) and only 10% go to church regularly (see vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.html). Between 1980 and 2000 the Church of England’s attendance went down 29%. They are, like the Conservatives, begging to any ‘traditional’ minority to radicalise (its in the name; conservative!)
    Oh, and don’t forget the 53 million South Americans killed by the Catholic Church. Lastly- no condoms allowed for Catholics. That makes him the biggest mass murderer in history- sorry Stalin!

  30. HOW VERY DARE HE!!!!! We don’t need a clapped out old nazi telling us that he has “the truth” and that the sovereign state of Great Britain should therefore bend the knee to Rome again! We had a reformation after all and a good job too with Popes like this one who has declared war on the LGBT communities throughout the world. We are a modern progressive state and he is dragging the RC church back into the middle ages! What with him and the Mad Mullah’s, we all need to be on our guard!

  31. Dave North 2 Feb 2010, 9:35am

    So, who shall decide those that are less than equal.

    By “freedom comes before equality” one can only assume that he means that his freedoms should be regarded as greater than others equality.

    His freedom to discriminate and operate above the laws of the land based on his doctrines.

    His freedom to decry sections of the community in favourance of people who share his beliefs.

    Where are the freedoms for those that he deems less than equal.

    This last statement thus negates his whole conversation.

    ie: Freedom for him and his beliefs , but not for others.

  32. the.kitty.channel 2 Feb 2010, 9:36am

    This is the big problem with religion, or maybe with monotheistic religion – its adherents aren’t content to just worship their god on a convenient day, they think their moral standards are superior to any other moral standard, which in turn gives them what they believe is the right to tell other people how to live. Pathetic. But it’s precisely *why* we actually need an equality bill. And after that, disestablishment, and a republic.

  33. This man should be banned from entering the UK!

  34. Davis Mac-Iyalla 2 Feb 2010, 11:08am

    what is a Natural law? Pope Benedict XVI likes equality, as long as it doesn’t apply to GLBT people and uppity women. In my own words the Pope’s theology is a blind prejudice.

  35. SIGN THE NATIONAL SECULAR SOCIETY’S PETITION – MAKE THE POPE PAY FOR HIS VISIT!!!

  36. Link to the National Secular Societies petition.

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/petition-the-pm.html

  37. Rusty Burgoon-Clark 2 Feb 2010, 11:33am

    His predecessor beat himself with a belt and slept naked on the floor; his bishops have covered up the molestation of thousands, possibly millions of children; he wears white watered silk dresses, Belgian lace dusters, and Prada pumps.

    What gives this caricature of a human being ANY right to lecture ANY one on morals OR civil rights?

  38. the pope can kiss my ring!

  39. Sign the petition to get the Catholic church to fund their own £20 million cost for their homophobic anti-equality Neo-nazi leaders visit to the UK. Here’s the link:-
    http://www.secularism.org.uk/petition-the-pm.html
    Against ‘natural law’?…that was the basis of the German penal code 175 which saw 100,000 lgbt arrested & 10,000 sent to the Nazi death camps in WWII.

    ‘Ratzi the Nazi’ just cannot give up hgis hitler youth doctrine it would seem…and so soon after Holocaust Day too?

  40. The BBC has a world have your say comments section on this. Be sure and have your say there so it is not all the Catholics supporting the Pope on this.

  41. The popes view on ‘natural law’ is rather distorted, what with the belief in his church its OK of priests to abuse children. In his previous job in the church he helped the American Catholics hide child abusers and abuse allegations. He even lobbied the white house for the catholic church to be immune from prosecution.

    Let the Pope come to the UK he will face hundreds of thousands of protesters.

  42. The only way they will protect the pope will be by imposing marshal law and curfews for all non Catholics.

  43. Ian Bower 2 Feb 2010, 4:02pm

    Just reading the links at the foot of this article:
    Pope calls gay marriage an ‘attack on creation’
    The Lancet: Pope ‘distorted science’ with condom comments
    Amnesty asks Pope to defend gay rights
    Pope claims condoms ‘could make African AIDS crisis worse’
    Pope promotes priest who claimed hurricane was God’s punishment for tolerating gays
    It all beggars belief!

  44. I demand equality for rapists and murderers to practice their beliefs unhindered by the law!

  45. Dear Pope.

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law.

    I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge
    with as many people as I can.

    When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific
    laws and how to follow them.

    My important Biblically-based questions are listed below.

    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

    1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
    female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend
    of mine claims that this applies to the Irish, but not English people.

    Can you clarify? Why can’t I own some Englishmen?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
    Exodus 21:7.

    In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
    period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24.

    The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
    pleasing odour for the Lord – Lev.1:9.

    The problem is: my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
    35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.

    Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
    abomination – Lev.. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
    homosexuality. I don’t agree.

    Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

    7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
    a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.

    Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wriggle-room here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
    around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
    Lev.19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
    me unclean.

    May I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different
    crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
    made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
    tends to curse and blaspheme a lot.

    Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.

    Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we
    do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and
    unchanging.

  46. The pope shoves his face into everyone’s business and will always voice his crazy opinions.

    I think it our job as a society to just push him into the same socail corner as Fred Phelps the “too crazy to even give recognition to” corner, the protest is a good way of this, but really, why are people such push overs to one frail old man who claims to be channeling gods voice?

  47. Churches enjoy tax free status on their income. As we can see from recent the activity of churches they are engaged in political activity so should be taxed accordingly.

    Tax the churches

  48. Brian Burton 2 Feb 2010, 5:19pm

    Pope Ratzi the nazi….everything’s been said I think!

  49. Christine Rourke 2 Feb 2010, 5:39pm

    A violation of “natural law”?
    Oh, I get it.

    Like Celibacy, then…..
    chrissie
    xxxxxxxxxxxxx

  50. Jean-Paul Bentham 2 Feb 2010, 6:00pm

    I did it; I signed the petition:
    http://www.secularism.org.uk/petition-the-pm.html

    You’re spot on, Abi75, TAX THE CHURCHES.

  51. If the Head of the Vatican City State is trying to interfere with the legislative process in this state, surely it’s up to the Queen (as our Head of State) to make a formal protest – either directly or through the UN.
    In any case, he should be banned from entering the UK as a religious extremist.

  52. Jean-Paul Bentham 2 Feb 2010, 7:26pm

    Agreed.

  53. Carl Rowlands 2 Feb 2010, 9:25pm

    Gordon Brown said he respected the Pope but commenting would be inappropriate. Spineless wonder

  54. PAUL MARSHALL 2 Feb 2010, 9:26pm

    Once a NAZI always a NAZI, he once said that homosexuality is intrinsically EVIL,,,,,,oh and l thought he was a sweet little old man,,,,,,,,,,,NOT

  55. Glad to see so many here are so angry with this stupid deluded god-believing fool. Let NONE of us miss whatever opportunity there is to get out there on the streets while the fool is here and very very LOUDLY and UNMISTAKEABLY show him and the world what we think of him!

  56. This will be the Hitler Youth chap, Ratzinger.

  57. THe Book of Common Prayer says’ THe Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this land of England. He is interfering as his predecessors have tried to .Watch it- if they get the upper hand there will be no freedom religious or otherwise.

  58. TIME TO PROTEST AND TAKE ACTION

    With Roman Catholicism becoming increasingly rigid, dogmatic and extreme with regards homosexuality, gender, HIV infections and child abuse, this is an opportunity to voice your concerns.

    Doctrinal postions of 21st Century Roman Catholicism

    1. Doctrine of Death
    The pope sentences millions of people to HIV infection and an early death in African and developing countries with his refusal to allow the promotion of condom use.

    2. Doctrine of Homophobic hatred
    The pope continues to incite homophobic hatred by refusing to with draw his statement that LGBT people are an intrinsically disordered and moral evil.

    3. Doctrine of Misogyny
    The pope continues to perpetuate sexism and gender a partite by refusing to allow women to ascend to the priesthood.

    4. Doctrine of Child Abuse
    The pope continues to sanction the sexual abuse of children by refusing to challenge organised paedophile rings in the priesthood

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/petition-the-pm.html

  59. Meanwhile, on board the new improved popemobile…

  60. Jean-Paul Bentham 3 Feb 2010, 12:30am

    So that’s what he looks like wearing clerical black and without a spray tan! Avast, me laddies!

  61. Daily Mail’s Andrew Pierce: Why I, as a gay man, agree with the Pope – Harriet Harman’s equality mania only promotes intolerance

  62. OK – I’m gay and a Catholic – yes it is possible to be both. I disagree with a lot of the current Pope’s policies (actually most of them) and he certainly shouldn’t be interfering with political policies as a purely religious leader. But don’t assume that all Catholics share his views because I certainly don’t (I’m pro-choice and pro-contraception for a start). Disagree with the Pope all you want (personally I’m deeply hurt by the Pope’s comments as a member of the Roman Catholic faith), but don’t start painting all Catholics with the same brush…

  63. Tell him about the albatross and the penguins. He looks like one in that frock!

  64. Jean-Paul Bentham 3 Feb 2010, 5:08am

    Cait:

    You just told us that you are a heretic! And that’s alright, so am I.

  65. VoDongCung 3 Feb 2010, 6:06am

    Roman Catholic is far diffrent to other religions. Others teach people doing good things in each people’s individual position. Roman Catholic commands and orders people doing what he wants. If people do not follow, Catholic says that’s devil, must be purnished. To day Benedict say “natural law” not “God law”, showing us Benedict does not acept his God any more, but he still use the power of billion catholics to command and order people around the world. He just wants to be King of Kings.

  66. john sharp 3 Feb 2010, 7:43am

    Mr pope
    who are you
    a freak
    a lair
    a con man
    you should be jailed for teaching lies
    and crimes against humanity
    Shut up you have no legal standing

  67. @Dave . . . thanks for the link

    I found “Andrew Pierce” article . . . . astonishing

  68. PATRICK O'GORMLEY 3 Feb 2010, 11:44am

    I WAS ONLY TEN
    ***
    HAVE A SCOTCH,
    A LARGE I BET,
    BUT YOU ALWAYS WILL REMEMBER,
    WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO FORGET,
    I’M HALF THE MAN I SHOULD HAVE BEEN,
    RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT THEN,
    HALF MAN, HALF BEAST, YOU WERE A PRIEST,
    AND I WAS ONLY TEN.
    *******
    SACRIFICIAL LITTLE BOYS,
    SERVING AT THE ALTAR,
    IF GOD COULD SEE,
    WHY DIDN’T HE,
    STEP IN AND STOP THE SLAUGHTER?
    *******
    HUSH NOW BOY, DON’T TELL THEM WHEN,
    NOBODY NEEDS TO KNOW,
    I’M STILL ALIVE, BUT LOST MY LIFE,
    WHEN I WAS ONLY TEN.
    *****
    NOW YOU SEE ME,
    NOW YOU DON’T,
    FORGIVE, FORGET,I CAN’T, I WON’T,
    JESUS, EVERY NOW AND THEN,
    MAKE ME FORGET WHEN I WAS TEN.

  69. We can also voice our opposition by signing the “Ban the Pope Petition”

    Already over 10 000 signitures today, and an article written about it in the Times.

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/petition-the-pm.html

  70. We now have over 12 000 signitures on the Pope Petition, e-mail all your friends to sign the petition.

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/petition-the-pm.html

  71. #63 CAIT.
    For crass, stupid blindness..you take the biscuit.

    Those Roman Catholics, like you, who think they can be Roman Catholic AND be at odds with / criticize the Pope are just deluding themselves.

    You are ‘pro-choice’ AND ‘pro-contraception’….and you STILL think you are a practising Catholic…?

    Talk about wanting the cake AND keeping the ha’penny..!

    Why can you not just cut the umbilical cord….and dump it, the whole, sodding barrow load of crap.. and free yourself / grow up..?

    Keith.
    SALFORD

  72. CAIT.

    I suggest you get your hands on a copy of “CARDINAL RATZINGER” by John L. ALLEN Jr. (CONTINUUM PRESS) ISBN 0-8264-1361-7 (paperback ed.) and in particular read the section ‘CULTURAL WARRIOR’ around pp. 200-203 and see what the main man himself thinks about pik n’ mix Catholics.

    Ask Fr. Robert Nugent, a member of the Salvatorians and Sister Jeannine Gramick, both also teaching professors, who both ministered to LGBT people and were ultimately forbidden to lecture and had a lifetime ban on any further pastoral work; all on the express command of the then Cardinal Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith.

    In their own way, both Nugent and Gramick, were pik ‘n mix Catholics and were given short shrift by Ratzinger; very short shrift.

    The teachings of the Church come first in Ratzinger’s book; all else, comapssion, love, understanding, the lot, ALL take second place to the teachings of the Catholic Church, in that homosexual activity is immoral.

    To show compassion without pointing out to the homosexual person that his activity is a grave and sinful disorder cannot be part of any ministry to those same persons.
    Not to point out the gravity of the sin would be ‘a flight from reality’ on the part of any such pastoral worker. Ratzinger further cautioned pastoral workers to tell homosexuals, in no uncertain terms, of their (homosexuals’) moral turpitude, lest there creep in any shadow of “studied ambiguity”.

    Keith.
    SALFORD.

  73. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Feb 2010, 5:19am

    A gay ca-atholic. What a maroon, like Bugs Bunny would say.

  74. Jean-Paul Bentham 7 Feb 2010, 10:51pm

    Whoever said British wisdom ain’t hereditary sure had a point: Hello Elizabeth I.

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