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		<title>By: theotherone</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-94153</link>
		<dc:creator>theotherone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I apologies for what I said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I apologies for what I said.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-94098</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying my intent eleanargh.  I was indeed attempting to show support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying my intent eleanargh.  I was indeed attempting to show support.</p>
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		<title>By: theotherone</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-94071</link>
		<dc:creator>theotherone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I offer my apologies for flying off the handle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I offer my apologies for flying off the handle</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 23: Pumpkin Pie: you say:

&quot;This is a transman having a baby. He&#039;s not going to stay indoors for his whole pregnancy, so people are going to find out eventually. &quot;

Well of course. I&#039;m not suggesting he hide away. He should live his life as normal.

But going to the press to publicise their story is a whole different matter.

They&#039;ve appeared in the press announcing their plans. Why?

Well because they want to promote their cause. Fair enough. But their child hasn&#039;t consented to that exposure.

I find celebrities or wannabe celebrities who used their children for self promotion to be vile - be they Jordan or whoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No 23: Pumpkin Pie: you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is a transman having a baby. He&#8217;s not going to stay indoors for his whole pregnancy, so people are going to find out eventually. &#8221;</p>
<p>Well of course. I&#8217;m not suggesting he hide away. He should live his life as normal.</p>
<p>But going to the press to publicise their story is a whole different matter.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve appeared in the press announcing their plans. Why?</p>
<p>Well because they want to promote their cause. Fair enough. But their child hasn&#8217;t consented to that exposure.</p>
<p>I find celebrities or wannabe celebrities who used their children for self promotion to be vile &#8211; be they Jordan or whoever.</p>
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		<title>By: eleanargh</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-94063</link>
		<dc:creator>eleanargh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theotherone, I don&#039;t think Stewart was referring to the couple in the story as &#039;self loathing and bitter&#039; - if you check above he made a supportive comment, and he&#039;s referring to people who fail to feel compassion for the couple in the story as &#039;self loathing and bitter&#039;.

Ryan H - &quot;so called &#039;trans&#039;&quot;? Ah, because you get to decide if someone else you&#039;ve never met is trans. Your comment was an anti-advert for your radio station. I won&#039;t be going anywhere near it if that&#039;s your attitude towards two people who wish to use the bodies they have to make a child. Your interpretation of gender is shallow and close-minded if you&#039;re adamant that person-having-a-baby=woman, despite their own gender identity or presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theotherone, I don&#8217;t think Stewart was referring to the couple in the story as &#8216;self loathing and bitter&#8217; &#8211; if you check above he made a supportive comment, and he&#8217;s referring to people who fail to feel compassion for the couple in the story as &#8216;self loathing and bitter&#8217;.</p>
<p>Ryan H &#8211; &#8220;so called &#8216;trans&#8217;&#8221;? Ah, because you get to decide if someone else you&#8217;ve never met is trans. Your comment was an anti-advert for your radio station. I won&#8217;t be going anywhere near it if that&#8217;s your attitude towards two people who wish to use the bodies they have to make a child. Your interpretation of gender is shallow and close-minded if you&#8217;re adamant that person-having-a-baby=woman, despite their own gender identity or presentation.</p>
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		<title>By: theotherone</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-94050</link>
		<dc:creator>theotherone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>self loathing and bitter? Why? Because they&#039;re Trannies? Because they&#039;re not playing by your rules?

You make me fvck1ng sick and as to you RobN: you laugh at Transpeople, you insult their Gender and then when you&#039;re called on it you start throwing insults. You, also, make me fvck1ng sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>self loathing and bitter? Why? Because they&#8217;re Trannies? Because they&#8217;re not playing by your rules?</p>
<p>You make me fvck1ng sick and as to you RobN: you laugh at Transpeople, you insult their Gender and then when you&#8217;re called on it you start throwing insults. You, also, make me fvck1ng sick.</p>
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		<title>By: RobN</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-94036</link>
		<dc:creator>RobN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At what point did I &quot;attack&quot; anybody? I wish the couple well, but I just find it all a bit bizarre.

You people need a f_cking humour transplant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point did I &#8220;attack&#8221; anybody? I wish the couple well, but I just find it all a bit bizarre.</p>
<p>You people need a f_cking humour transplant.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abi &amp; theotherone, just remind yourself that it&#039;s hard for folk to feel compassion for others when they don&#039;t love or nourish themselves.  That&#039;s not a gay man thing, it&#039;s just individuals who are self loathing and bitter..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi &amp; theotherone, just remind yourself that it&#8217;s hard for folk to feel compassion for others when they don&#8217;t love or nourish themselves.  That&#8217;s not a gay man thing, it&#8217;s just individuals who are self loathing and bitter..</p>
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		<title>By: Abi1975</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93952</link>
		<dc:creator>Abi1975</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it OK when its me you are laughing at RobN as your just having a laugh!  Remember that the next time you are suffering homophobic abuse they are just having a laugh it&#039;s all part of life&#039;s rich tapestry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it OK when its me you are laughing at RobN as your just having a laugh!  Remember that the next time you are suffering homophobic abuse they are just having a laugh it&#8217;s all part of life&#8217;s rich tapestry!</p>
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		<title>By: theotherone</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93942</link>
		<dc:creator>theotherone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* Gay people attacking Trannies, what a surprise.

You can only be a &#039;man&#039; if you can make a woman pregnant? Does that make a man with a low sperm count a woman? Fvck1ng idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* Gay people attacking Trannies, what a surprise.</p>
<p>You can only be a &#8216;man&#8217; if you can make a woman pregnant? Does that make a man with a low sperm count a woman? Fvck1ng idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: RobN</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93939</link>
		<dc:creator>RobN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abi: Like AndrewQ said, I think you are so far politically up your own arse, you fail to see the simple humour in the situation.

It&#039;s f_ck all to do with labels and addressing transgender people. It&#039;s smiling at the ridiculous scenarios humanity can get itself in. Like someone said, &quot;It&#039;s all part of life&#039;s rich tapestry&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi: Like AndrewQ said, I think you are so far politically up your own arse, you fail to see the simple humour in the situation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s f_ck all to do with labels and addressing transgender people. It&#8217;s smiling at the ridiculous scenarios humanity can get itself in. Like someone said, &#8220;It&#8217;s all part of life&#8217;s rich tapestry&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: valerio</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93931</link>
		<dc:creator>valerio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate how these stories always cause so much controversy, especially so among LGBT people. All I see are two people who are having a child together. They are physically capable of doing it, and they&#039;re doing it. I think some of you guys are only looking for an excuse to bash on transgender people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate how these stories always cause so much controversy, especially so among LGBT people. All I see are two people who are having a child together. They are physically capable of doing it, and they&#8217;re doing it. I think some of you guys are only looking for an excuse to bash on transgender people.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Q</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93928</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have misswed the point Abi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have misswed the point Abi</p>
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		<title>By: Abi1975</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93909</link>
		<dc:creator>Abi1975</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, you can not be gay if you have all the physical equipment to be heterosexual, your just deluded.

I&#039;m just using your own logic dear!

RobN, Be a dear and educate yourself on the difference between sexual identity and gender identity it makes you look rather stupid.  It might blow your mind but you might like to know this story is about both the sexual and gender identity of these two remarkable and brave men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, you can not be gay if you have all the physical equipment to be heterosexual, your just deluded.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just using your own logic dear!</p>
<p>RobN, Be a dear and educate yourself on the difference between sexual identity and gender identity it makes you look rather stupid.  It might blow your mind but you might like to know this story is about both the sexual and gender identity of these two remarkable and brave men.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93901</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but if they can carry and bare offspring, they are not a &quot;man&quot;.  Until they can produce sperm and inseminate, if desired, they are of the &quot;female&quot; persuasion in my book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but if they can carry and bare offspring, they are not a &#8220;man&#8221;.  Until they can produce sperm and inseminate, if desired, they are of the &#8220;female&#8221; persuasion in my book!</p>
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		<title>By: RobN</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93899</link>
		<dc:creator>RobN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh get a life, the pair of you. Why are LGBT people such a bunch of po-faced stick-in-the-muds?

If you can&#039;t find the mangled sexual identity of these two funny, you really need to get out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh get a life, the pair of you. Why are LGBT people such a bunch of po-faced stick-in-the-muds?</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t find the mangled sexual identity of these two funny, you really need to get out more.</p>
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		<title>By: theotherone</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93887</link>
		<dc:creator>theotherone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what else do you expect from RobN? He&#039;s an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what else do you expect from RobN? He&#8217;s an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Abi1975</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93868</link>
		<dc:creator>Abi1975</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks RobN for showing just how unsupportive of trans people gay men are.  I was having quite a good day until I read your post and my hart sank at your veiled transphobia its the sort of comment I would expect of Nick Griffin of the BNP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks RobN for showing just how unsupportive of trans people gay men are.  I was having quite a good day until I read your post and my hart sank at your veiled transphobia its the sort of comment I would expect of Nick Griffin of the BNP.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93855</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is less confusing when we stop with the labels and just regard these folk as two people with whom we have a shared humanity. I just wish them the best in taking on the responsibility of parenthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is less confusing when we stop with the labels and just regard these folk as two people with whom we have a shared humanity. I just wish them the best in taking on the responsibility of parenthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Pumpkin Pie</title>
		<link>http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/01/27/trans-man-is-third-to-carry-a-child/#comment-93843</link>
		<dc:creator>Pumpkin Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Simon Murphy&lt;/b&gt;:
This is a transman having a baby. He&#039;s not going to stay indoors for his whole pregnancy, so people are going to find out eventually. Sure, he could say he&#039;s getting fat, but if he has a social life, he would definitely have been outed sooner or later. The whole pregnant man angle sells, and once he&#039;d been found out, people would have trampled all over themselves to sell him out to the tabloids.

Thus, he made a wise decision. Damage control, on top of a payout that can go towards helping their family finances (two trans parents in a country that doesn&#039;t fund sex realignment - that family purse has gotta be pretty tight).

Also, this whole thing about other people bullying their kids being their fault is specious. By that logic, gay couples shouldn&#039;t be allowed to adopt at all.

&lt;B&gt;Ryan Haynes&lt;/b&gt;:
Haha, you so &lt;I&gt;crazy!&lt;/I&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Simon Murphy</b>:<br />
This is a transman having a baby. He&#8217;s not going to stay indoors for his whole pregnancy, so people are going to find out eventually. Sure, he could say he&#8217;s getting fat, but if he has a social life, he would definitely have been outed sooner or later. The whole pregnant man angle sells, and once he&#8217;d been found out, people would have trampled all over themselves to sell him out to the tabloids.</p>
<p>Thus, he made a wise decision. Damage control, on top of a payout that can go towards helping their family finances (two trans parents in a country that doesn&#8217;t fund sex realignment &#8211; that family purse has gotta be pretty tight).</p>
<p>Also, this whole thing about other people bullying their kids being their fault is specious. By that logic, gay couples shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to adopt at all.</p>
<p><b>Ryan Haynes</b>:<br />
Haha, you so <i>crazy!</i></p>
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