http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV5PbrTySxY

Let’s look, for instance, at the “study published in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, sex researchers K. Freud [sic] and R. I. Watson” which you cite – and I advisedly say “cite”, not “quote”. The fact that you’ve got the name of one of the authors wrong immediately makes me suspicious, especially since I’ve seen this error before; it was made by someone else who had clearly lifted the citation from another source, taking it on trust that the paper by FREUND and Watson actually said what it was alleged to have said.

In fact Freund and Watson did NOT find that “that homosexual males are three times more likely than straight men to engage in pedophilia”. What they found was that a considerably higher proportion of male PAEDOPHILES had a homosexual attraction, i.e. an attraction to CHILDREN of the same sex, compared with the proportion of male TELEIOPHILES (adults whose sexual preference is for other adults) who had a homosexual attraction, i.e. an attraction to ADULTS of the same sex. In other words, a homosexual PAEDOPHILE is one category; a homosexual TELEIOPHILE is another category. Freund and Watson refer to MALE homosexual TELEIOPHILES as ANDROPHILES. (Sorry about all this jargon, but it’s what Freund and Watson used.)

Freund and Watson explicitly said that their study did NOT show that ANDROPHILES (i.e. ordinary gay men) were more likely than GYNEOPHILES (i.e. ordinary straight men) to molest children, and added that this was a myth that they had already refuted in a previous study.

In his memorial discourse “Remembering Kurt Freund 1914 – 1996”, Watson, whose real name is Robin Wilson, said:

“I would be remiss if I did not exploit this opportunity to publicly correct oft-misquoted research on which I collaborated with Dr. Freund. In 1989, we (along with Doug Rienzo) published “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference” (The Journal of Sex Research, 26, 107-117) and, in 1992, we published “The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children” (Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 18, 34-43). These articles have frequently been cited by fundamentalist lobbyists as proof-positive that homosexuals are more inclined to molest children. This was not a finding of our research, period. What we found was that, among men with a sexual preference for children, there was an over-representation of men with a same-sex preference….In all other research we conducted, we never found that androphilic (i.e., a preference for male adults) men had any greater relative erotic interest in children than did their gynephilic (i.e., a preference for female adults) peers.”

I’d also like to note that those who mistakenly (or dishonestly) cite the research of Freund and Watson to “prove” that we are more likely than our straight confreres to molest children NEVER cite Freund’s 1994 paper, “In Search of an Etiological Model of Pedophilia” in the Sexological Review”, in which he says:

“The most parsimonious interpretation of this result is that the heterosexual and homosexual types of pedophilia are substantially more closely related to each other than to the heterosexuality or homosexuality of males who erotically prefer physically mature partners. Also, pedophilia has little in common with homosexuality or heterosexuality in males who prefer physically mature partners.”

I notice, Trudy, that you also cite “Research by Professor Gene G Abel of Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons”. Gene G. Abel & Nora Harlow observe in “The Stop Child Molestation Book” (2002):

“The majority of men who molest boys (70 percent) are predominantly heterosexual.”

The simple fact is that while ordinary gay men may and sometimes do molest boys, the vast majority of us never do so, nor are we in any danger of doing so. Most sexual offences against boys are committed either by paedophiles who are sexually interested solely in children or by men whose sexual interaction with adults is heterosexual.

While I’m on the soapbox just thought I’d remind the haters that Jesus said some of us gays are born that way. Here a video with big letter print to help explain it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDyCotYepp0&feature=player_embedded

Who will there be left for the fundies to pick on after women/black people/disabled/LGBT people? Pity they don’t have a good, hard look at themselves – because that’s obviously where the problem lies.

Best line ever!!!! LOL! And so true too!

Yes Trudy, they would be part of the 7% falling under the category of ‘strangers’ in the Childline figures.

Could you maybe talk us through the largest category – birth parent, who account for 42% of Childline’s child sex abuse cases, followed by the 10% other parental figure abusers.

Frankly its a wonder the government let kids stay with their heterosexual parents at all

Paedophilia is much loved by the fundies, it seems. It must be a convenient thing to inspire awe and horror in the mindless people who swallow such crap. Let me say it again, the majority of paedophiles are straight men. Hmmm, now I think we should have a nice, big investigation into whether straight men should be permitted to marry women. After all, the fundies tell us that marriage is for procreation so this would be an ideal opportunity for all those straight paedophiles, yes? And Christians – better investigate them to before we allow them to get married. They may hear the voice of God like Peter Sutcliffe and go on some murder spree. Or maybe commit adultery like Iris Robinson. They can’t be trusted see, those Christians.

Offensive? Maybe. But no more offensive or stupid than the made up statistics that have been posted here from NARTH and the like.

Notice the large re-occurrence of the term “fallacy” with regards to your unfounded nonsense?

fal·la·cy
n. pl. fal·la·cies
1. A false notion.
2. A statement or an argument based on a false or invalid inference.
3. Incorrectness of reasoning or belief; erroneousness.
4. The quality of being deceptive.

Perhaps you should address the neurosis that is apparent in people like you who desperately need to believe such unscientific nonsense with relation to gay people, and why the need in yourself is so strong to condemn, hurt, oppress and lie to make your belief system seem more real to you?

Curious, don’t you think?

Well Trudy, if example sets precedent for all, then lets use your logic to explore some “truths”….

Iris Robinson is a cheating criminal hypocrite, who claims she is a “devout” Christian. By your logic, ALL Christians are cheaters and fraudsters and liars.

Fred West was a straight heterosexual parent. Between 1967 and 1987, he and his wife Rosemary tortured, raped and murdered at least 12 young women and girls, many at the couple’s homes. Logically, by your argument, ALL parents are murderers.

Peter Sutcliffe was convicted in 1981 of murdering 13 women and attacking several others. By your logic, ALL heterosexual men are rapists and murderers of women.

As you can see, Trudy, your examples mean absolutely nothing, other than demonstrating your astounding ignorance. I see you cut and paste the so called “evidence” on statistics about gay men from sites like http://www.catholicculture.org…. real winners in the arena of promoting false studies to promote a so called “Christian” ethos. There are things lying on their backs at the bottom of stagnant ponds that have more capacity for Christian love than these people do. Clearly you associate yourself with mentally inferior people?

Of course you realise these so called studies are all NARTH studies, don’t you? They are neither acknowledged by main stream science, nor are they scientific studies, just religious hate propagandist garbage.

The fact you quote sites like catholicculture.org makes you either a liar, or an uneducated fool to believe in this recondite nonsense.

Either way, you and your statistics are laughable and somewhat pathetic. Come back, my dear, when y9u have some serious science.

Last year a Scottish homosexual/paedophile ring of 8 men were indicted at the High Court in Edinburgh with 50 internet child pornography and sexual abuse charges. It was described as Scotland’s biggest paedophile network. The police are investigating another 70 men throughout the UK. James Rennie, 38, £40,000, publicly funded boss of LGBT Scotland was a key adviser on sex education to the Scottish Executive. He was convicted of harrowing sexual abuse over four years of a young boy that started when only a 3-month-old baby. He also attempted to rape an 18-month-old boy Also found guilty were John Murphy, 44, journalist to the Gay Times, Neil Strachan, 41, HIV positive and a convicted child molester, Ross Webber, 27, Colin Slaven, 23, boyfriend to Strachan, Craig Booth, 24, John Milligan, 40, and Neil Campbell, 46, a married man who led a double life with a homosexual partner. He also ran an after-school club for children. The police seized nearly 125,000 indecent images of children. Strachan and Rennie were sentenced to life imprisonment. The others to between two and seventeen years jail, totalling 43 years.

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